Dec 08, 2020 Special Metropolitan Council

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WELCOME TO THE SPECIAL

[Call to Order]

TO ORDER ASH, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL.

WE HAVE A QUORUM COUNCIL MEMBERS IS APPROVED FROM NOTICE OF THE MEETING.

THAT'S PASSED AROUND TO PLEASE SIGN.

WE'LL GO TO THE ITEMS. WE'VE GOT ITEM ONE,

[1. 20-01222 Amending the Preliminary Current Expense Budget and Capital Budget of the City of Baton Rouge and Parish of East Baton Rouge for the year 2021 submitted by the Mayor-President; and adopting the Final Current Expense Budget and Capital Budget of the City of Baton Rouge and Parish of East Baton Rouge for the year 2021. By Mayor President.]

WE'RE SPEAKING ON ITEM ONE 81, WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM ONE.

ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM ONE? OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THIS, UH, COMMENT IS FROM PHILIPO LARD AND I'M AGAINST THE FOLLOWING BEING INCLUDED IN THEM IN THE BUDGET IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EFFICIENCY STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS, A DEPUTY CHIEF IS BEING ADDED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALLOTMENT AND THREE CAPTAINS WILL BE DELETED UPON THE RETIREMENT OF CURRENT INCUMBENTS.

SINCE THESE CAPTAIN POSITIONS ARE CURRENTLY OCCUPIED, THE DELETIONS WILL NOT OCCUR UNTIL THE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN VACATED.

OTHER VACANT POSITIONS BEING DELETED, INCLUDE A PART-TIME TEACHER POSITION, A COMMUNITY CENTER, AND A NET OF 32 POINT 71 GRANT FUNDED POSITIONS.

THERE ARE SEVERAL CHANGES BEING PROPOSED TO THE PERSONNEL ALLOTMENT FOR THE LIBRARY WITH THE NET RESULT, BEING IN A DELETION OF ONE FTE, IN MY OPINION, NEW ITEMS OR CONTRACTS, ET CETERA, SHOULD BE IN PR APPROVED ALONG WITH ANY PROPOSED BUDGET.

ALL ITEMS NOT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE METRO COUNCIL LISTED IN THE BUDGET SHOULD BE VOTED ON AS SEPARATE ITEMS BY THE METRO COUNCIL USING THE STANDARD METHODS FOR THE METRO COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND VOTE ON ITEMS LISTED IN THE NORMAL MEETING AGENDA.

THERE SHOULD BE AN INTRODUCTION IN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ALL OF THESE ITEMS SO THAT THE CITIZENS OF EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH CAN REVIEW THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AND COMMENT ON THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. IN MY OPINION, THIS REQUIREMENT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN OF GOVERNMENT OR CODE OF ORDINANCES.

ALREADY.

A BUDGET SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE APPROVED WITHOUT ACTUALLY APPROVING ANY ACTUAL CHANGE TO THE OPERATIONS OF GOVERNMENT AND WITHOUT APPROVING THE NEW CONTRACT, ET CETERA, THAT MIGHT BE LUMPED IN WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

IF INDIVIDUAL ITEMS ARE NOT APPROVED BY THE METRO COUNCIL, AFTER THE BUDGET ITSELF IS APPROVED, THEN THE BUDGET ITSELF CAN BE REVIEWED LATER.

THEREFORE, I AM AGAINST THIS ITEM.

NUMBER ONE, BUDGET AND REQUEST THAT ALL NEW THINGS LISTED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

BE VETTED ON A SEPARATE ITEMS BY THE METRO COUNCIL.

THAT CONCLUDES THE COMMENTS.

FREEDOM ONE.

OKAY.

THE COUNSELOR IS THAT CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? ANY COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE MOST IMPRINTED BY CAUSE LEWIS SECOND BY LUPE.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS HEARING ON ITEM ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED? ITEM TWO IS ADOPTING

[2. 20-01426 Adopting the revised 2021 pay plan for the classified, unclassified, non-classified, contract, Fire, and Police employees of the City of Baton Rouge and Parish of East Baton Rouge; establishing the effective date of said plan as December 19, 2020; and repealing all Ordinances or parts of Ordinances in conflict herewith. By Human Resources Director.]

WE'RE PUTTING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HERE WITH BY HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PUB CARE WAS BIG ON ITEM TWO, ITEM TWO.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

I HAVE A TWO SECOND TIME.

MOTION MOM.

SORRY, MOTION BY LUPE.

SECOND BY HUDSON.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS HEARING? NONE.

ITEM TWO HAS BEEN APPROVED.

COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING TO TAKE ITEMS THREE

[Items 3 & 4]

ITEM THREE IS FIXING THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES OR THE PARISH OF EAST BATON ROUGE, THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE AND THE AGENCIES TO WHICH THE APPROPRIATIONS ARE MADE AND ESTABLISHING THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF DECEMBER, 1920 20.

WE'RE APPEALING ALL ORDINANCE IN CONFLICT HERE WITH ABOUT A HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR ITEM FOR THE MEETING, AN ORDINANCE 15 TWO OH ONE ADOPTED 10 20, OCTOBER 26, 2011, WHICH CREATED THE COMPETITIVE POSITION, THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE POLICE, OR AS TO AMEND SECTION ONE THEREOF IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF POSITIONS FROM THREE TO FOUR EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 29TH, DECEMBER 19TH, 2020 BY THE POLICE CHIEF AND HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR LAYS IN JAIL WAS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE SPEAK ON ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, THREE AND FOUR CNN.

ANY COMMENTS WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL MEMBERS MOTION.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY CAUSE LEWIS SECOND BY LUPE? ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS EACH SHOW ME OBJECTION.

WE HAVE THREE OBJECTIONS.

YES.

CAN I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE COUNCIL MEMBERS? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM THREE AND AMENDED THE THREE DEPUTY CHIEFS.

NOW SECOND MOTION BY THE CHAIR.

SECOND BY WATSON OR ANY OBJECTIONS? MULTIPLE OBJECTIONS.

SO WE'LL VOTE ON MACHINES.

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OH, YOU CAN TALK TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, GUESTS.

WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK.

CHIEF, COULD I ASK YOU TO COME UP FOR A SECOND? WHAT WAS THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? I'M SOURCE GOT TO AMEND THE ALLOTMENT.

IT'S ALREADY A NUMBER THREE.

THERE'S ALREADY FOUR CHIEFS AT IT AND I'M AMENDING IT BACK TO THE THREE CHIEF RECENTLY SUPPORTED THE ORIGINAL CHANGES.

SO THERE'S TWO MOTION TO GO BACK TO THREE.

I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR COMMENTS WHILE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A GOOD IDEA.

OKAY.

IF YOU CAN TURN YOUR MIC ON PLEASE CHEAP.

I DON'T THINK SO.

WE CAME BEFORE THIS BODY AND I ASKED FOR APPROVAL TO DO A STUDY, UH, ANY EFFICIENCY STUDY OF MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, WHICH IS AN INDEPENDENT COMPANY, UM, LOOKED AT, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS ON EFFICIENCIES.

ONE OF THEM WAS THE CREATION OF, UM, UH, CHANGING OUR ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE INTO FOUR BUREAUS RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE WE HAVE THREE BUREAUS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION PATROL OPERATIONS, UM, I'M SORRY, OPERATIONAL SERVICES.

AND THIS FIELD OPERATIONS AND OPERATIONS SERVICES, EXCUSE ME.

THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CREATE FOUR BUREAUS.

THEREFORE THE BUREAU WOULD HAVE CREATED A DEPUTY, UH, CHIEF, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, BUT MOST POLICE AGENCIES OF OUR SIZE, THE UNIFORM PATROL IS SEPARATED FROM CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS.

SO THAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO HAVE, UH, TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OTHER AGENCIES.

OKAY.

SO I MISSED THE, THE BUDGET HEARING IN NOVEMBER, RIGHT.

UM, BUT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE STUDY.

WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON YES, SIR.

UM, AND AFTER 12 YEARS IN ALL THIS GRAY HAIR CARE, I'M ALSO FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUE OF OVERTIME BECAUSE, UM, AT LEAST THE PEOPLE I JOINED THE COUNCIL WITH THAT WAS A BIG DEAL FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN OFFICERS WERE, UH, BILLING THOUSAND 2000 HOURS OF OVERTIME.

AND SO WE ALL, WE, WE WENT FORWARD WITH THE STUDY TO TRY AND, AND, UM, KEEP THE OVERTIME.

I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT ABUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING.

UM, BUT THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND YOU, WHO I SEE WORKING EXTRA DUTY AT A RESTAURANT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE IDEA OF, OF DOING THE EFFICIENCY STUDY WAS TO GIVE POLICE OFFICERS A PAY RAISE, UM, AND THE SET UP THE STRUCTURE TO WHERE WE COULD MONITOR THE OVERTIME AND REDUCE THAT, UH, BURDEN ON THEM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT.

WHEN I SEE AN EXTRA DUTY OFF, WHEN I SEE AN OFFICER WORKING AT A RESTAURANT NIGHT AT NIGHT TO MAKE ENDS MEET, TO PAY HIS BILLS BECAUSE WE WON'T GIVE HIM A RAISE BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE'S BILL IN 2000 HOURS AND OVERTIME A YEAR.

AND THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE SOMEONE BUILD THE CITY PAIRS 2000 HOURS.

NOW IT WAS ON THE DWI TASK FORCE AND ALL THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T SEE THE CONTENTIOUS HEARING NOVEMBER, BUT I BELIEVE YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

I'VE GROWN TO LIKE YOU AS A PERSON.

UM, IT'S UH, AND, AND WHY WE WANT TO, UM, DICTATE HOW YOU RUN YOUR OFFICE.

UM, JUST, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AFTER 12 YEARS.

UM, I'VE BEEN THROUGH FIVE, SIX SHEEPS AND THAT 12 YEARS, UM, A LOT OF THEM I KNEW PERSONALLY, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A CRIME PROBLEM, SO YOU CAN SAY, UM, WELL THE MURDER RATES UP.

AND SO I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA LET YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

RIGHT.

IT JUST, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO, TO FIDDLE IN GOING FROM THREE TO FOUR OR FOUR TO THREE, IF, IF WE PAID ALL THIS MONEY FOR THE STUDY.

AND I THINK IT WAS WHAT, HOW MUCH WAS THE STUDY THAT WE SPENT 300,000? I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND OR $200,000 FOR THAT 200, YOU KNOW, CACHE, DONNA CAN TELL YOU I HATE STUDIES.

RIGHT.

UM, I THINK WE ALL DO TELL THE TRUTH, BUT WE STUDY THINGS TO, TO FIND EFFICIENCIES AND TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN WE DON'T FOLLOW THEM.

RIGHT? YES, SIR.

UM, SO I APPRECIATE ALL YOU'VE DONE.

UM, I SOUND LIKE I'M GIVING A FAREWELL MESSAGE BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I'M COMING TOMORROW, BUT, UM, MY FRIEND IN THE BACK WHO HAS SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT FAIR, UM, 20 SECONDS

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RIGHT.

UM, I W I WISH THAT WE COULD JUST FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, DO THE FOUR, UH, CAPTAINS POSITIONS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO BE CALLED ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS AND, AND LET YOU GUYS DO YOUR JOB AND GET YOU IN MARYLAND.

BRAGGING ABOUT I'LL TAKE MY SECOND FIGHT.

THE MAYOR WAS BREAK BAG BRAGGING ABOUT A 3% RAISE.

WELL, DID YOU GUYS START OFF IT IN THE $30,000 RANGE AND A 3% RAISED RAISES WHAT $900 A YEAR.

IT HELPS YOU, SIR.

UM, I'M NOT SURE AS MUCH AS YOU PAY TAXES, YOU COULD DO WITH THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN, AND I THINK MOST OF US HAVE HAD BEEN BEATING THAT DEAD HORSE THAT WE DON'T PAY OUR OFFICERS ENOUGH.

UM, SO W WE'RE NOT GETTING FILLING OUT OUR CLASSES.

WE'RE NOT FILLING OUT POSITIONS.

CERTAINLY IF MY CHILD ASKED ME IF HE SHOULD BE A POLICE OFFICER AND RISK HIS LIFE FOR $30,000 A YEAR, I HAVE A TALK WITH THEM.

RIGHT.

AND SAY, UH, IF PUBLIC SERVICES IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

YES.

UM, SO LET'S JUST FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE A HUNDRED, 200, $300,000 STUDY.

WE DID IT'S ONE POSITION, UM, AND, AND GIVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS A CHANCE.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I'VE ENJOYED SEEING YOU GUYS, UM, UM, I CAN'T SAY THAT I'LL MISS YOU, UM, BUT YOU HAVE MY CELL PHONE AND WE'LL MEET UP AND GET THE HEAT IS RIGHT.

UH, I LOVE YOU GUYS.

UM, BUT I REALLY THINK WE OUGHT TO DO WITH THE PAID CONSULTANT SAID, AND, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN WELLS, CHIEF.

UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, TECH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT CHANDLER SAID IS THAT THE EFFICIENT STUDY WAS BROAD RANGED THAT HAD A LOT OF THINGS IN IT TO DO.

UM, HOW MUCH HAVE WE GOTTEN DONE OTHER THAN ADDING JUST ONE CHIEF OR WHATNOT, CHIEF OR DEPUTY CHIEF POSITIONS.

SO IT WAS A PHASED APPROACH.

AND I HAVE MY DEPUTY CHIEF HERE, MYRA, IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND HE COULD GIVE YOU THE PHASED APPROACH AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH, RIGHT.

AND WHERE WE'RE AT.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING.

MYRON DANIEL'S DEPUTY CHIEF.

UM, AS THE CHIEF MENTIONED, THERE WERE 54 RECOMMENDATIONS ACTUALLY MADE BY MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, UH, AND EFFICIENCY STUDY.

UM, WE WENT THROUGH AND AS THE CHIEF SAID, WE FOUND, OR WE TOOK PHASE APPROACHES TOWARD GETTING THOSE ACCOMPLISHED.

THE FIRST PHASE WERE, WAS BASED OFF OF THINGS THAT WE CAN GET DONE FROM ZERO TO THREE MONTHS, IMMEDIATELY, THE THREE MONTHS THERE WERE 11 ITEMS OR RECOMMENDATIONS DURING THAT TIME.

AND WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED NINE OF THOSE 11 DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.

UH, ONE OF THOSE WAS RIGHT-SIZING UNIFORM PATROL, WHICH WILL ALWAYS BE A IN PROGRESS.

UH, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY RECOMMENDATION.

UM, THE SECOND PHASE WAS THINGS THAT WE COULD GET DONE WITHIN A THREE TO NINE MONTH PERIOD, WHICH WOULD, UH, WE FOUND 13 ITEMS. UH, THE END OF THAT NINE MONTHS WOULD ACTUALLY BE DECEMBER ITSELF AT THE CLOSE OF THIS YEAR.

AND WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED SEVEN OF THOSE 13.

SO AGAIN, EVEN WITH COVID, WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN MOVING FORWARD AND APPLYING, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

NICE.

YOU MIGHT GO, YEAH, I'M SORRY.

IT'S 24 OUT OF 59.

NO, THERE WERE, UH, 54, 24 RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THERE'S STILL 34 THAT ARE WHAT'S THE NEXT PHASE.

THE NEXT PHASE WOULD BE TO TOUCH THOSE THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE RESOURCES AND TIME TO GET ACCOMPLISHED.

LIKE, LIKE GIVE ME AN IDEA, JUST WHAT'S THE NEXT WHAT'S IN THE NEXT PHASE THAT Y'ALL HAVE, OR WHAT HAVE YOU NOT ACCOMPLISHED OUT OF THE FIRST TWO PHASES? IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND, I CAN ACTUALLY PULL IT UP FOR YOU.

SO AFTER THE FIRST PHASE, LIKE I SAID, THERE WERE 11.

UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAN CLASSIFY 10 OF THOSE 11 DONE, UH, ONE BEING THE ELIMINATION OF ASSISTANT DISTRICT COMMANDER POSITIONS THROUGH ATTRITION.

WE STILL HAVE ONE ASSISTANT DISTRICT COMMANDER, SO WE CAN'T SCRATCH THAT ONE OFF.

UM,

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SO FIRST PHASE WAS PRETTY MUCH ACCOMPLISHED.

OKAY.

UH, SECOND PHASE IS ME.

I'M JUST, I GUESS MY, I GUESS ONE OF THE, WHY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE DEPUTY, THE THREE DEPUTY CHIEFS THAT YOU HAVE NOW, YOU'RE ONE OF THEM, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO OTHERS WHO ARE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY IN CHARGE OF? UH, I'M IN CHARGE OF ADMINISTRATION.

OKAY.

UM, YOU HAVE, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF, HERBERT, ANNIE, WHO DEALS WITH OPERATIONS, AND YOU HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF, TROY LAWRENCE WHO ACTUALLY DEALS WITH FIELD OPERATIONS.

SO TELL ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, HOW DOES THAT NOT PLAY WITH UNIFORM OR INVESTIGATE? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT PART OF IT OUT IF I COULD, YEAH, PLEASE.

WE'VE GOT THE BUREAUS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WE LOOKED AT OTHER AGENCIES, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EBR SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS A SIX SENIOR LEVEL, NO CHEAP, PLEASE.

DON'T MISUNDERSTAND.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT OTHERS, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE ACCOMPLISHMENT CAN'T BE DONE WITH THE THREE DEPUTY CHIEFS AND THEN PUTTING THE CALL SAME, BECAUSE I DID SEE THE COST SAVINGS THAT Y'ALL RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND 70%, I BELIEVE OF OUR ADMINISTRATION IS UNDER, CURRENTLY UNDER ONE SUPERVISION THAT WOULD BE OPERATION SERVICES.

SO WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL DO IT, WE'LL TAKE OPERATIONS SERVICES AND, AND SPLIT IT INTO TWO BUREAUS UNIFORM PATROL, WHICH IS OUR UNIFORM OFFICERS THAT AT THE DISTRICT LEVEL AND CREATE A SEVEN BUREAU SPECIFIC FOR INVESTIGATIONS, BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, ALL ABOUT DETECTIVES, WHICH IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH MOST AGENCIES, UH, IN THIS AREA, UH, ASCENSION STATE POLICE.

AND WE CAN GO ON AND ON THOSE AGENCIES THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN THE PACE STUDY, IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OF THOSE AGENCIES, THEY SEPARATE THE UNIFORM PATROL FUNCTION AND INVESTIGATIVE FUNCTION.

SO WITH THAT PROPOSAL ADMINISTRATION, WHICH IS THE CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, POSITION, UM, WOULD HAVE, UH, ACCOUNTING, UH, LEGAL ADVISE MAY HAVE SECURITY COURT SUPPORT, HEALTH AND SAFETY, PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS, OR EXTRA DUTY OPERATIONAL MANAGEMENT AND OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT SECOND YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE OPERATIONAL SERVICES, WHICH IS WHERE HER BANANA IS.

UH, THOSE WILL COVER, UM, COMMUNICATION RECORDS, TRAINING SERVICES, ALARM ENFORCEMENT, UH, FLEET MANAGEMENT, MOBILE VIDEO, SUPPLY, BICYCLE, REGISTRATION, EVIDENCE, COMMUNITY RESOURCES, UH, UH, CRIMES THAT STATISTICIAN STATISTICIANS LEIGHTON'S FINGERPRINTS, IDENTIFICATION, AND CIU, UH, PATROL, WHICH IS, UH, THE PATROL FUNCTION RECOVER ALL OF OUR UNIFORM PATROL DISTRICTS IN A MISDEMEANOR FOLLOW UP, UH, IN OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DIVISION, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEW ONE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE, UH, UNDER THAT, UH, DIVISION.

YOU WILL HAVE FINANCIAL CRIMES, CRIME SCENE, AUTO THEFT, IMPOUND TECHNOLOGY, EVIDENCE, BURGLARY PAWN, SHOP INTELLIGENCE, FBI TASKFORCE, NARCOTICS, UH, HIGH-INTENSITY DRUG TRAFFICKING, ERICA, FEDERAL TASKFORCE, DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION, STREET, CRIME, SPECIAL VICTIMS, MISSING PERSONS, SEXUAL OFFENDER, REGISTRY HOMICIDE, MAJOR SALTS, ARMED ROBBERY, FORENSIC SCIENCE, CRIMESTOPPERS, VICTIM ASSISTANCE, CRIME ANALYSIS, ALCOHOL TOBACCO, AND FIREARMS TASK FORCE, AND OUR NATIONAL INDEX OF BALLISTICS INFORMATION THAT WORK, UH, UH, NIVEN AND ALSO THE LOUISIANA STATE POLICE FUGITIVE TASK FORCE.

YES, PLEASE.

SO CHEAPLY GIVEN THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE, CURRENTLY THOSE ARE THE THREE ARE, WOULD BE THE FULL.

THOSE WOULD BE THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE DEPUTY CHIEF WHO IS CURRENTLY IN THE POSITION OF OPERATION SERVICES HAS ALL OF THE INVESTIGATIVE FUNCTIONS AND ALL OF THE UNIFORM FUNCTIONS.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING 70% UNDER THAT AROUND 25, 27%, WHICH IS THE DETECTIVE BUREAU WOULD NOW HAVE ITS OWN BUREAU, WHICH WILL BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE INDEPENDENT CONSULTANTS.

AND ALSO WE'LL BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH ASCENSION PARISH SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHERE THEY HAVE FIVE SENIOR LEVELS WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF STATE POLICE HAS FIVE, UH, WORKING WITH THE COLONEL EBR.

SHERIFF HAS SIX WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF NEW ORLEANS POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS FIVE WORKING WITH THE CHIEF ST.

TAMMANY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS SIX, UH, WORKING WITH THE CHIEF, UH, CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS EIGHT, UH, THREE ASSISTANT CHEWS, FIVE DEPUTY CHIEFS, URBAN, TEXAS, THREE SIX, DEPUTY CHIEFS ARLINGTON HAS TWO ASSISTANT CHIEFS, FOUR DEPUTY CHIEFS.

WE'RE ASKING FOR ONE MORE, WHICH WOULD BEING ALIVE.

AND THE REASON WHY I'VE MENTIONED SOME OF THOSE, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN OUR PAY STUDY, I GOT YOU.

WHERE'S DARYL AT, I THINK HE JUST STEPPED OFF THE BACK.

THERE HE IS

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SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUST COME TO MY ATTENTION, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS IS ONE, I THINK THIS IS ADDING WHAT $133,000 TO THE IT'S ABOUT RIGHT.

TO THE THING.

AND THAT'S COMING FROM.

SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, AIRPORT POLICE DIDN'T THEY SUBMIT DON'T.

THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GIVE THOSE GUYS A RAISE ACROSS THE BOARD.

RIGHT? WE'VE TALKED TO MIKE EDWARDS, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT DID NOT COME IN IN TIME FOR THE BUDGET.

AND WE ACTUALLY WANT TO BRING THOSE BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS.

LINDA COULD HELP ADDRESS THAT TOO, THAT JUST, WE'RE NOT HERE.

AND WE WANT TO VET THOSE AND THEN BRING THEM BACK.

WE'VE TALKED TO MIKE AND THE AIRPORT POLICE ABOUT THAT TOPIC.

SO WE ARE GOING TO BRING THEM BACK TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT RAISE FOR THE, FOR THE AIRPORT POLICE, BUT WE'RE, WE, WE Y'ALL WANT TO SPEND IT ON THIS, BUT Y'ALL, WON'T LET A WEEK WE HAVE, WELL, IT IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY, IT WAS WHEN THE BUDGET THING WAS PUT TOGETHER, WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE TWO OR THREE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THE AIRPORT.

WE'VE TALKED TO THEM.

THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE.

OKAY.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK.

WHEN ARE, Y'ALL GOING TO BRING IT BACK IN THE FIRST QUARTER? WE THINK PROBABLY IN JANUARY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN BANKS.

UM, I AM, UM, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WHEN IT HAS COME BEFORE THIS CONCERT IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, UM, TO A POOP, A COMMUNITY ADVISORY COUNCIL, OR, UM, SOME PARM, THE RESOUNDING COMMENTS HAVE BEEN LET THE POLICE DO WHAT THEY DO.

DON'T TELL THEM HOW TO OPERATE.

UM, IF THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WE HIRED TO DO THE VISITS THOUGH, I HAVE ALWAYS, AND I STILL DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY, UM, ADVISORY COUNCIL OR IN SOME FARM.

I'M GOING TO TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE COLLEAGUES THAT I'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS TO ALLOW THE PROFESSIONALS, THE CHIEF AND THE, UM, HIS ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF TO DO THE BUSINESS THAT THEY NEED TO DO.

UM, I THINK WHEN YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO IS ELIMINATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO SAY, YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME WHAT I NEEDED.

AND WE ARE LIVING IN A TIME WHERE I AM SURE CRIME IS, UM, A TOPIC AT EVERY DINNER TABLE.

AND, UM, WE WANT THIS CITY TO BE SAFE.

WE WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO BE SAFE.

WE WANT CRIME TO BE DOWN.

SO WE NEED TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE ASSESS THE JOB OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

ABSENT OF THAT.

WE HOLD PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THINGS ARE THINGS NOT WORKING WELL.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS MAKEUP MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT I LIKE TO DO THAT AT THIS TIME COUNTS ONE, WE ALREADY HAVE AN ORIGINAL MOTION AND A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

SO, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

UH, I'M GONNA MAKE ONE COMMENT, CHIEF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T TELL ANYBODY HOW TO DO THEIR JOB.

AND IF WE ARE, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL IS, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ACROSS THE BOARD THAT WE DON'T TELL HIM.

WE'RE NOT TELLING HIM MICROMANAGE IN ANY DEPARTMENT.

THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FROM ONE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MICROMANAGE.

LET'S DO IT FOR OF THEM.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

BUT I'VE NEVER TOLD YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB.

HAVE I EVER, I'M SORRY.

I'VE EVER TAUGHT YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB.

YES, SIR.

NO, SIR.

I JUST MADE A COMMENT.

I HAD SOME CONCERNS KILLING A CHILD ON GOODWOOD AND FLANNERY HAD THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME.

NO MATTER YOUR SKIN COLOR, EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN PEACE.

YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CRIME.

THEY WANT IT TO GO TO BED AT NIGHT, NO MATTER WHAT ZIP CODE YOU LIVE IN.

I DON'T CARE IF IT'S OH, SEVEN OH TWO.

SO I KNOW FIVE THAT'S ALL I GOT CONCERNED FOR.

MY THING IS ALSO THAT WE PUT THIS IN JUNE AND WE PULLED IT BACK BACK IN JUNE.

WE HAD THE FORT CHIEFS AND WE PULLED IT BACK TO NOT PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

AND I KNOW WITH SOME COVID RELATED, AND I KNOW THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE, WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

SO IT WAS PULLED OFF BECAUSE THE MAYOR AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT IS THIS, MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT HERE WE ARE IN DECEMBER AND WE'RE PUTTING IN THE BUDGET.

I'M NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB.

I JUST WISH THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO DO IT, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DONE IT EARLIER.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT NOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T SIT THERE AND JUST AMEND IT AND LEAVE IT AT THE THREE.

AND WHEN THE NEW COUNCIL COMES, IF THEY WANT FOUR, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.

I'M NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB.

I JUST HATE THAT WE'RE GETTING HERE ON THE COUNCIL

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AND IT'S ALREADY IN ITEM THREE, THE FOUR CHIEFS.

AND THAT'S WHY I MADE THE AMENDMENT TO KEEP IT THREE IN JANUARY.

WHEN THE NEW COUNCIL COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO PUT IT AT FOUR, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S THE NEW COUNCIL.

THEY GOT FOUR YEARS.

WE'RE DONE HERE.

WE'RE DONE.

WE'RE DONE TOMORROW, BUT I'VE NEVER, I MAY HAVE, I MAY HAVE SOME DISAGREEMENTS AND I MAY HAVE SOME CONCERN THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE, BUT I'M NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB.

I HAVE SOME CONCERNS.

I DO.

I MEAN, WITH THE CROP, THE CROP, EVERYBODY DOES.

EVERYBODY WANTS EVERYBODY IN THIS PARISH TO FEEL SAFE, MAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, BUT IT'S NOT ME TO TELL YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB.

AND I NEVER HAD MICRO.

I MADE MICROMANAGE MY OWN BUSINESS.

I KNOW YOU DO THAT, BUT I DON'T SIT THERE AND MICROMANAGE IN THE 12 YEARS, I'VE BEEN HERE TO TELL SOMEBODY HOW TO DO THEIR JOB.

I MAY DISAGREE WITH THEM AND TELL THEM THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB.

RIGHT.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, ONLY COMMENTS I GOT TO MAKE.

AND THAT'S MY REASON FOR THE THREE GOING TO AMEND THE THREE.

I THINK WE CAN BRING JUST LIKE THE POLICE PAY FOR THE AIRPORT.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK IN JANUARY TO DO IT AND WHY IT'S NOT IN HERE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON WHY YOU CAN'T COME IN JANUARY TO INTRODUCE IT AND SIT THERE AND LET THE NEW COUNCIL, THEY WANT FOUR CHIEFS.

THEY HAVE FOUR CHIEFS, BUT THEY DON'T.

ANYWAY, THAT'S MY COMMENTS.

COUNCILMAN WATSON.

YEAH.

UH, TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, EXCEPT FOR COUNCILMAN HUDSON WHO WAS PRESENT AT THE YEAR, UH, BUDGET MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THE MAYOR.

WE HAD THREE GENTLEMEN FROM MANAGEMENT PARTNERS WERE IN A ZOOM MEETING WITH US.

AND I POSED THE QUESTION AS TO, IS THERE A MUNICIPALITY IN THIS COUNTRY, IN YOU ADDED A, ANOTHER HIGH RANKING SUPERVISORY POSITION.

AND THAT ADDITION OF THAT PERSON CAUSED A REDUCTION IN CRIME.

IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN STARTED TALKING ABOUT THING WAS ARLINGTON OR FORT WORTH.

AND I SAID, Y'ALL DID WORK FOR ARLINGTON.

THEY SAID, WELL, NO.

I SAID, WELL, THEN LET ME REPHRASE IT AGAIN.

WHAT CITY HAVE Y'ALL WORKED WITH WHERE YOU RECOMMENDED ANOTHER VERY, VERY HIGH END DESK JOB POSITION.

AND THE FOLLOWING YEAR, YOU SAW A SERIOUS REDUCTION IN CRIME.

AND THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT BALTIMORE.

AND I ASKED, DID YOU WORK IN BALTIMORE? AND THEY SAID, WELL, NO.

SO THEY COULDN'T TELL ME A SINGLE CITY THAT MANAGEMENT PARTNERS HAD ADVISED TO ADD ANOTHER TOP END POSITION.

AND THAT ADDITION REDUCED CRIME.

THE FOLLOWING YEAR, I THEN ASKED, I SAID AT THE LOCAL LEVEL THAT WE HAD A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE REDUCTION OF OUR CAPTAINS POSITIONS BEING CONNECTED WITH THE ADDITION OF A FOURTH CHIEF OF POLICE.

AND THEY WERE VERY FIRM IN SAYING, THIS HAS ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.

ABSOLUTELY.

THERE'S NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE REDUCTION OF CAPTAINS POSITIONS AND THE ADDITION OF AN ASSISTANT CHIEF POSITION.

I JUST, I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED TO DO THIS.

NOW.

I AGREE WITH, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM THAT WE SHOULD LET THIS GO TO THE NEXT COUNCIL.

I THINK THE NEXT COUNCIL SHOULD READ OVER THE EFFICIENCY STUDY THAT CONTAINS A LOT OF STUFF THAT I CERTAINLY HOPE.

AREN'T THINGS THAT GET FOLLOWED REMOVAL OF THE HELICOPTER.

THAT SEEMS RIDICULOUS.

REMOVAL OF THE MOUNTED HORSE PATROL.

TELL ME WHEN THE RAND CORPORATION SAYS, IF YOU WANT TO BRING ABOUT BRINGING THE COMMUNITY BACK TOGETHER ACROSS RACIAL LINES, BRING OUT THE HORSES.

I THINK THAT'S THE EXACT HEADLINE OF THE RAND CORPORATION PAPER ON MODERN HORSE PATROL.

THEY'VE MADE SUGGESTIONS IN THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T FOLLOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THIS IS ONE THAT THEY DON'T FOLLOW.

SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BY THE MAYOR PRO TEM, AND I HOPE YOU DO AS WELL.

THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN ROCCO, CHIEF.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR.

SO I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SAY THIS FOR MUCH LONGER, BUT I AM THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK.

SO I'VE NEVER LOOKED AT A BUDGET BEFORE AND, UM, THIS IS TRULY A DAUNTING TASK.

SO I, IN LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM AND WHERE IT GOES.

SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING CAPTAIN'S POSITION, APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE SAVING THERE BY ELIMINATING THIS CAPITAN? THE THREE CAPTAIN POSITIONS, ABOUT 390,000.

AND WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? ONCE IT'S ELIMINATED, THOSE POSITIONS ARE ELIMINATED THE DOLLARS.

UM, 133 WILL GO TO THE NEW DEPUTY CHIEF

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WHERE'S THE REMAINDER.

GOOD.

SO THE TOTAL THAT'S PROPOSED, UH, FOR THE PAY RAISE IS 1.8 MILLION.

OKAY.

SO IT GOES BACK INTO FOR THE PAY RAISE AND THE ELIMINATION OF THE OVERTIME HOURS, WHICH I HEARD THAT THERE ARE LARGE AMOUNTS OF OVERTIME THAT WERE ONCE BUILT.

HOW MUCH MONEY DID THAT ADD BACK INTO OUR BUDGET? HOW MUCH DID WE SAVE THERE? I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 700, 7,000.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, OUR 3% PAY RAISE, BUT THERE, THOSE THAT PAY RAISES THAT COME FROM THE, THE 3% PAY RAISE IS THAT COME FROM THE OVERTIME HOURS THAT WE'RE SAY COME FROM THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, IT COMES FROM, I, I HAVE ALL THREE OF THEM RIGHT HERE.

SO IT WILL COME FROM REORGANIZATION OF THE MANPOWER, THOSE OF THOSE, UH, THREE POSITIONS THAT WE SPOKE OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FALSE ALARM ORDINANCE.

UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE THIRD WOULD BE, UH, THE MODIFICATIONS OF OVERTIME POLICY.

AND IS THE MODIFICATIONS OF OVERTIME POLICY, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ELIMINATION OF HOLIDAY PAY? NO HOLIDAY PAY WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE.

IT JUST SOME ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO HOLIDAY PAY.

AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO THE EXAMPLE WILL BE, THERE HAS TO BE A JUSTIFICATION TO WORK OVER TIME.

YOU CAN'T JUST COME IN AND WORK OVER TIME.

FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS AT HIGH LEVEL POSITIONS.

WHEN THEY SAY HOLIDAY YOU'RE OFF, THE CITY PAYS YOU TO BE OFF THE PRACTICE HAVE BEEN, UH, SOME WILL COME TO WORK ON THEIR OFF DAY AND MAKE DOUBLE TIME AND A HALF.

WHAT I SAID WAS, IF THERE'S A NEED TO WORK OVERTIME, YOU CAN WORK OVERTIME.

THIS IS NOT FOR THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS.

THOSE WHO WORK IN MY OFFICE, THOSE WHO WORK IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE CAPACITY CAN NO LONGER JUST COME TO WORK ON THEIR OFF DAY AND MAKE DOUBLE TIME AND A HALF.

SO THOSE DOLLARS WERE WHERE THAT WAS.

THE PRACTICE WILL BE RE USED FOR OVERTIME FOR BOOTS.

SO THIS ISN'T A BLANKET WIDE DEPARTMENTAL TYPE OF NO MA'AM, IT'S ACCOUNTABILITY, IT'S ACCOUNTABILITY.

THEY HOLIDAY PAY IS STILL, WILL STILL BE ENFORCED, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

AND NO CHANGE IN THE HOLIDAY PAY OTHER THAN THE ACCOUNTABILITY, UH, TO HAVE APPROVAL BEFORE OVERTIME CAN BE WORKED OUT.

OKAY.

UM, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE WHO ARE, WHO ARE THE CAPTAINS THAT WILL, THEIR POSITIONS WILL BE OKAY.

SURE.

SO WE HAVE A CAPTAIN THAT WORKS SECURITY DOWN HERE, DOWN, DOWN IN THIS BUILDING DOWNSTAIRS WITH NO RESPONSIBILITY THERE, A CAPTAIN THAT WORK IN THE EVENING, OUR SECURITY THAT HAS NO SUPERVISOR RESPONSIBILITY.

AND THERE'S A CAPTAIN THAT SITS AT THE CITY COURT.

UH, WE CALL COURT RECORDS THAT CHECK OFFICES IN WHEN THEY GO INTO COURT THAT HAS NO SUPERVISOR RESPONSIBILITY.

WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THEIR POSITIONS ENDING THIS ISN'T, WE'RE NOT ABRUPTLY SAYING THEY'RE, THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED OUT TO SOME EXTENT, BE IT THROUGH ATTRITION AS THEY RETIRE.

YES MA'AM SO, SO IT'S THREE, IT WILL BE THREE LESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROMOTION TO TWO.

I'M SORRY, BECAUSE YOU STILL WILL BE PROMOTING TO THE DEPUTY CHIEF IF YOU'RE UP, IF YOU ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT POSITION.

OKAY.

AND SO ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE RANKINGS ARE? SO IF WE HAVE OUR DEPUTY OR DEPUTY THAT'S ON PATROL THAT JUST GRADUATED FROM, UM, THE ACADEMY, WHAT IS HIS, HIS OR HER TITLE? SO HE'S A, HE'S A POLICE OFFICER AT TRAINED THE NEXT LEVEL.

UH, WELL, HE'LL BE AN FTO PROGRAM THAT HE'LL BE MADE PERMANENTLY.

HE'LL BE A POLICE OFFICER AND THEN WHAT'S NEXT, UH, CORPORATE.

AND THEN WHAT'S THAT FOR THAT SERGEANT LIEUTENANT, CAPTAIN, CAPTAIN.

SO HOW, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE A POLICE OFFICER TO GET FROM BEING THAT ACADEMY TO A LIEUTENANT APPROXIMATELY 20 PLUS YEARS? YEAH, ABOUT 20 FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.

OKAY.

MAYBE WITH THE NEW PROMOTION, MAYBE JUST THE LESS, BUT YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT TWO.

HOW ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER TO A CAPTAIN PRODUCT AND, UH, CLOSE TO 26 TO 30 YEARS SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE WITH THIS DEPARTMENT.

AND WHAT'S THE PAY, WHAT'S THE PAY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A POLICE OFFICER THAT COMES IN TO A POLICE OFFICER THAT IS A LIEUTENANT APPROXIMATELY, UH, COMING IN AT, AROUND, UH, 33,000 A YEAR.

UM, UH, PLUS, UH, AFTER THE ONE YEAR YOU GET YOUR $6,000, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL PAY AND THE LIEUTENANT SALARY, GIVE ME ONE MINUTE.

OKAY.

WE'RE STILL ABOUT 80,000 AT ALL.

SO OUR

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ABOUT JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, 6,000 OF THAT IS STAY SUPPLEMENTAL PAY THAT IS ADDED AFTER YOUR ONE-YEAR SERVICE, THAT'S PAID BY THE STATE.

WHAT IS OUR PAY? WHAT IS OUR PAY FOR OUR NEW OFFICERS, COMPARATIVELY TO THE PARISHES AROUND US? UH, PROBABLY AROUND PROBABLY THE PAY STUDY PUTS US AROUND 29%, UH, LESS THAN PEER AGENCIES.

OKAY.

YES.

MA'AM 29% LESS.

SO THIS IS ONE STEP.

WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

THIS IS ONE STEP.

THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM UH, CHIEF, I GOT, I GOT ONE QUESTION FOR YOU AND THEN I'LL PUT LINDA ON DECK.

SO JUST A HEADS UP.

UM, CHIEF, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED JUST NOW THAT WE HAVE THREE DEPUTY CHIEFS THAT ARE WITHOUT SUPERVISORY POSITIONS.

DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, I'M SORRY.

I SAID DEPUTY CHIEF, DO WE HAVE THREE CAPTAINS THAT ARE WITHOUT SUPERVISORY, UH, ROLES? DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CAPTAINS THAT DON'T HAVE SUPERVISORY ROLES AND HOW DO WE GET TO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE SERVING IN A CAPTAIN'S POSITION, BUT, BUT AREN'T, TO ME, IF YOU'RE A CAPTAIN AND YOU'RE WORKED IN SECURITY, I MEAN THAT THAT'S NOT LIVING UP TO THE POTENTIAL OF THAT RANK.

I MEAN, HOW DO WE GET TO THAT SITUATION? HOW DID WE GET INTO THIS POSITION? SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TWO, THE TWO YEARS, I THINK, I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE PROMOTIONAL SYSTEM.

WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, YOU WERE PROMOTED STRICTLY BY SENIORITY.

AND I THINK BECAUSE COMMANDER, UH, CHIEFS PRIOR TO ME, BECAUSE, UH, YOU HAVE TO PROMOTE BASED ON SENIORITY.

SOMETIMES THOSE POSITIONS, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY HAVE BEEN VACANT, THE PERSON MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THE SKILLSET, UH, THE KNOWLEDGE, THAT ABILITY AND THAT CAPACITY.

SO I THINK IN SOME CASES WE MOVE PEOPLE IN, IN PLACES, UH, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE, UH, THE SKILLS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THAT POSITION WAS IN SWAT.

AND IF THAT POSITION WAS UP, UH, IN A SPECIALIZED DIVISION, UH, SO, UH, UH, I BELIEVE PRIOR CHIEFS WAS FORCED TO DEAL WITH THE SYSTEM THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THEM BY PROMOTING INDIVIDUAL STRICTLY ON SENIORITY.

SO I THINK NOW THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE PROMOTIONAL PROCESS, UH, WE CHANGED THE LAW.

NOW WE GET TO CHOOSE FROM THE TOP FIVE.

AND I THINK YOU WILL APPRECIATE THE PROCESS BECAUSE I SIT DOWN WITH MY THREE DEPUTY CHIEFS WITH MY COMMANDERS AND WE SIT DOWN AND WE LOOK AT THOSE APPLICANTS AND WE DETERMINE WHAT VACANCIES ARE IN THE DEPARTMENT AND WHERE'S THE NEED FOR THE DEPARTMENT, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL.

SO THAT'S HOW PROMOTIONS ARE MADE NOW.

SO I THINK, UH, THROUGH ATTRITION, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, MAKE SOME, UH, PUT SOME ROUND PEGS AND SOME ROUND HOLES AND, UH, AND ALIGN US WITH, UH, WHERE WE SHOULD BE AS A PROFESSIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

OKAY.

UH, LINDA CHIEF DON'T GO FAR.

UH, YOU MAY WANT TO DOVETAIL ON WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK LINDA.

SO LINDA, TELL ME IF WE DON'T APPROVE DELETION OF THE CAPTAINS TONIGHT.

UM, WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR THE 3% PAY RAISE THAT WE HAVE PLANNED? UM, WHAT ELSE WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT TO STILL MAKE THAT 3% PAY RAISE? SO THE 3% PAY RAISE IS ABOUT $1.8 MILLION.

THE DELETION OF THE CAPTAINS WE THINK WILL GENERATE $390,000.

OKAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, IF WE DON'T DELETE THE CAPTAINS, THAT US OFF BALANCE, BUT I THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION REALLY WANTS THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE SWORN PERSONNEL TO HAVE THIS RISE.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T DELETE THEM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROVE THE RACE.

OKAY.

SO WE WOULD DO THAT.

BUT WHAT IT DOES IS WE'LL HAVE TO BALANCE IT IN ANOTHER WAY.

IT'S A 93 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.

SO WE WOULD LOOK AT IT.

AND WHEN WE DO THE ACADEMIES, PROBABLY IN JULY, WE WOULD SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.

HOPEFULLY WE WOULD GENERATE SOME MONEY TO BE ABLE TO STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THE 25 ACADEMY IN JULY.

BUT IF IT'S NOT THERE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE A 22 ACADEMY IN JULY.

SO THAT W I MEAN, WE HAVE TO BALANCE IT.

THE MAYOR HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.

SO YOU MAY HIRE LESS DURING THE ACADEMY IS WHAT YOU'RE.

SO IF, IF WE HAVE TO, HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE IT UP.

BUT IF THAT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD HIRE LESS THAN THE ACADEMY.

SR.

OKAY.

UM, SO FOR THE SAKE OF THE DEBATE AND CHIEF, THIS IS, THIS IS A QUESTION PROBABLY BETTER POSED TO YOU.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO SAY THAT WE ARE DELETING THESE CAPTAINS POSITIONS JUST TO CREATE A FOURTH DEPUTY CHIEF.

NO.

OKAY.

UH, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED $133,000 TO PAY FOR THE FOURTH DEPUTY CHIEF AND I, AND I'LL JUST SAY, I'VE LOOKED AT OUR CURRENT ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.

I'VE LOOKED AT THE PROPOSED ORGANIZATIONAL CHART FOR MANAGEMENT PARTNERS.

UM,

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I GET THAT.

UM, FIRST, DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER METHOD FOR PAYING FOR THE FOURTH, DEPUTY CHIEF, ANY OTHER METHOD, CORRECT THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TO PAY FOR THAT FOURTH, DEPUTY CHIEF, THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, BASED ON, UH, WHAT I ASKED THAT MANAGEMENT FINANCE CAME UP WITH WAS, WAS THE DELETION OF THE, OF THE CAPITOL.

WELL, I TH I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE POSITIONS OF THE CAPTAINS WAS JUST BEING RESPONSIBLE, HAVING SENIOR LEVEL POSITIONS WITH NO RESPONSIBILITY.

UM, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS CAME FROM THE MANAGEMENT PARTNER BASED ON THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE POSITIONS.

AND, UH, AFTER DOING INTERVIEWS AND LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES, UH, FOR A COMMANDER POSITION.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, UM, WE CAN DIVIDE UP OPERATIONS OF UNIFORM PATROL AND CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS WITHIN THE THREE DEPUTY CHIEFS THAT WE HAVE NOW, WAS THAT EXPLORED BY MANAGEMENT PARTNERS AT ALL, OR HAS IT BEEN EXPLORED? SO MANAGEMENT PARTNERS LOOKED AT BEST PRACTICES.

THEY LOOKED AT, UH, HOW ARE THE AGENCIES, UH, STRUCTURES WORK? AND THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY MADE.

THEY DID A LOT OF RESEARCH WITH IT.

UH, MOST OF OUR CONSULTANTS, UH, IF YOU LOOKED AT THEIR BACKGROUND, THEY WERE FORMER SENIOR LEVEL POSITIONS, CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS FROM ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

SO THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY MADE.

THEY ARE CONSULTED, UH, UH, WITH VARIOUS PROFESSIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, UH, IN COMPLETING THAT STUDY.

SO I'M, UH, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS PLAN AS I CAN.

CAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WAS, NO, THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT IT AS TRYING TO DIVIDE UP THOSE TWO FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE THREE DEPUTY CHIEFS.

THEY ONLY LOOKED AT IT FROM ADDING A FOURTH CHIEF PERSPECTIVE.

IS THAT FAIR OR FAIR TO SAY, OR I DIDN'T GET INTO DETAIL.

I KNOW THEY LOOKED AT HOW OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WERE STRUCTURED.

UH, SOME THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER AND THE DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES THAT GO ON WITH THAT, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DETECTIVE FUNCTION IS A UNIQUE SKILLSET, UH, DETECTIVES AND WORKING UNIFORM PATROL.

SO BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE, BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE ALIGNMENTS FOR THAT PARTICULAR FUNCTION IN THAT BUREAU ARE MORE THAN ALIGNED WITH BEST PRACTICES AND RESEARCH, UH, THAT WENT INTO, UH, THE REPORT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE'S NO MORE SPEAKERS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

TREY, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE, UH, ASKED ANOTHER QUESTION.

SO I GOT ASK BEFORE, WE'RE GOING TO GO, UH, ASHLEY, YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND WE'LL VOTE ON THE SUBSTANTIVE MOTION.

FIRST COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEM THREE, AMENDING IT TO THREE.

DEPUTY CHIEFS AND MACHINES ARE OPEN.

YES, WE'LL GO TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEM.

THREE MACHINES ARE UP AND YES, SIR.

THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM THREE CARROTS, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ALL WE NEED TO DO IS DELETE ITEM FOUR, THEN MADE A MOTION TO DELETE.

AND FOR MOST OF MY CONS LEWIS, I'M SORRY.

WE NEED TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR.

WE NEED TO PROVIDE THEM THE WHOLE, YEAH, WE TOOK THEM TOGETHER.

PUT THEM TOGETHER.

WELL, WAIT SEPARATELY.

ALL RIGHT.

WAS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR MOTION BY LUPE SECOND BY COLLINS LEWIS, ANY OBJECTIONS? SO LET'S PUT IT ON THE MACHINE ON ITEM FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR.

I'M FOUR HAS BEEN APPROVED.

COUNSELOR IS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

I WANT TO WISH YOU A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TODAY.

SCOTT, ARE YOU GOING TO SING? NO.

YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT ON THAT NOTE, WE GOT ONE LEFT, ONE LEFT TOMORROW.

MOTION TO

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SECOND BY CALLING LINDEN.