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THIS MEETING OF THE BATON ROUGE, MUNICIPAL FIRE, AND PLEASE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
MS. PENNY, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL
[1. Roll Call]
PRESENT, PRESENT CHRIS ROBINSON MIA.AS EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
[2. Approve Minutes: August 23, 2021]
TO READ THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 23RD ENTITY, ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE MINUTES? IF NOT, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THOSE MINUTES AS SECOND SECOND BY MR. SMITH.ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER THREE, ADMINISTRATIVE
[3. Administrative Matters]
MATTERS, APPROVE EXAMINATION SCORES FOR FIRE CHIEF.WE HAD 25 APPLICANTS THAT PASSED AS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE SCORES.
WE ACCEPT THOSE 25 SCORES FOR FIRE CHIEF AL SECOND, SECONDED BY MR. SMITH.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES ITEM THREE B.
FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN, ONE POLICE CRIMINAL INFORMATION SPECIALISTS, ONE AND CHIEF TRAINING OFFICER OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I MOVED TO CALL FOR THOSE EXAMINATIONS A SECOND.
SECOND, SECONDED BY MR. SMITH.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED WE'LL BE CALLING FOR THOSE TESTS.
WE HAVE ONE TRANSFER SCORE FOR FIRE COMMUNICATIONS, OFFICER ONE.
I SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED WE ACCEPT THAT TRANSFER SCORE FOR FIRE COMMUNICATIONS, OFFICER ONE ITEM
[4. Discussion: New Contract for Board Attorney / Vote]
OR DISCUSSION ON NEW CONTRACT FOR BOARD ATTORNEY.I NEED TO, I NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE BOARD ATTORNEY AND I BELIEVE SOMEBODY IN THE PUBLIC HAS A COMMENT ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
LET ME CATCH YOU GUYS UP MR. FLOYD, OUR CURRENT ATTORNEY TENDERED HIS RESIGNATION ON AUGUST 31ST.
THE REASON FOR THAT RESIGNATION WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR STARTED STANDING HIS, UH, OUR NEED FOR HIM, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT.
UM, THE LONG HOURS OF THE HEARINGS, UH, THE FACT THAT MS. PENNY AND I SPEAK WITH HIM NONSTOP DURING THE WEEK AND THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, WE WERE EXCEEDING HIS MONTHLY STIPEND, WHICH WAS ONLY $1,200 A MONTH.
AND FROM A BUSINESS ASPECT, HE JUST COULDN'T AFFORD TO KEEP CONTINUE ON IN THAT MANNER, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH US GOING INTO THE AM HOURS AT HEARINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I PUT IN A REQUEST THAT I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW TO, UH, THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND TO PURCHASING.
ALTHOUGH I FOUND OUT THAT THE PURCHASING DIRECTOR WAS NOT THE SAME PURCHASING DIRECTOR.
I'LL READ THAT TO YOU GUYS NOW, MR.
CURRENTLY, MR. FALCON SERVES AS THE BOARD T BOARD'S ATTORNEY DURING THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE DUTIES OF MR. FALCON AGREED TO HAVE MORE THAN QUADRUPLED FOR THIS REASON, I'M REQUESTING THAT THE ORIGINAL RATE OF $1,200 PER MONTH BE INCREASED TO ALLOW MR. FALCON TO BILL THE CITY SLASH BOARD FOR ANY HOURS THAT EXCEED THAT STIPEND AT A RATE OF $200 PER HOUR.
THIS AMOUNT ANNUALLY WILL NOT EXCEED $49,900.
MR. FALCONS IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE CIVIL SERVICE PROCESS AND HIS YEARS OF EXPERTISE IN THE FIELD OF CIVIL SERVICE LAW CAN NOT BE REPLACED.
IT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THE CITY AND THE BOARD TO LOSE HIM.
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THIS REQUEST WITH MY DEEPEST GRATITUDE.UM, THE PARIS ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAME BACK WITH THIS, THIS AGREEMENT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR REQUEST TO AMEND THE CURRENT CONTRACT OF MR. FLOYD.
BALKIN WHEN HAVE REVIEWED THE REQUEST ALONG WITH THE SPORCLE INFORMATION OF THE BOARD AND CURRENT CONTRACT RATES OF OTHER OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS WITH THE CITY PARISH, OUR OFFICE APPROVES YOUR REQUEST FOR THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THE STATE, THE STIPULATED HOURLY THRESHOLD EACH MONTH PRIOR TO BILLING ABOVE THE CURRENT $1,200 MONTHLY CONTRACTED AMOUNT IS 10 HOURS TO BE BILLED AT $200 PER HOUR WITH A MAXIMUM CONTRACT AMOUNT OF $49,900.
MR. FALCON WILL BE REQUIRED TO KEEP A DETAILED RECORD OF HIS HOURS PER MONTH, SO THAT ANY BILLING ABOVE THE THRESHOLD WE'LL HAVE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.
IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THESE ENUMERATED CONDITIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
PLEASE ALSO KNOW THAT THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD ENTAILS APPROVAL FROM THE CITY PARISH, METRO COUNCIL, AS WELL AS A BUDGET APPROPRIATION BY THE MAYOR.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MAYOR IS ON BOARD PENDING APPROVAL BY YOUR BOARD AND THE CITY PARISH METROPOLITAN COUNCIL.
BUT SHOULD YOU CONFIRM THAT THAT, BUT YOU SHOULD.
YOU SHOULD CONFIRM THAT WITH THE MAYOR'S CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER DARYL GISSELLE, ONCE YOU HAVE A FAVORABLE VOTE FROM YOUR BOARD REGARDING THIS AMENDMENT, PLEASE FORWARD THAT TO ME AND MR. GISSELLE AND WE WILL GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE REMAINING PROCESS.
I FORWARDED ALL THIS ALONG TO MR. FALCON.
I THOUGHT IT WAS AT FIRST, UM, BECAUSE I NEVER STIPULATED WHAT THE $1,200 ENTAIL IN MY LETTER TO THE PARISH.
THEY PUT A STIPULATION OF 10 HOURS.
WELL, THE MATH ON 10 HOURS IS $120 AN HOUR, WHICH FALLS BELOW THE $200 AN HOUR.
UM, THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH, SOME EMAILS HERE BETWEEN MR. DOTSON AND MR. FALCON THAT I'LL LET YOU GUYS REVIEW.
UM, AND IT IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR MR. FALCON.
HE IS DETERMINED THAT THAT AMOUNT OF THE $120 PER HOUR FOR THE 10 HOURS IS, IS NOT GOING TO MEET HIS FINANCIAL NEEDS AND THE BURDEN THAT WE USE, NOT THE BURDEN, BUT THE AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT WE AS A BOARD PUT ON HIM FOR MOM.
I WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE BOARD OF FOCALIN, MR. DOBSON, I SPOKE WITH MR. GESELL, WHO POINTED ME TOWARD MR. DOTSON, WHO IS THE PARISH ATTORNEY.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. DOTSON, WHO BELIEVES THAT THAT IS A FAIR AMOUNT, $120.
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH MR. FLOYD.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO BRING THIS BEFORE THE BOARD AND GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO, WELL, WHAT DID YOU JUST THINK HE WAS, HE WAS GOING TO BETTER RENEGOTIATE WITH BOEING.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A RENEGOTIATION THAT CAN OCCUR WITH MR. FLOYD.
UH, HE WANTS IT AT A RATE OF $200 AN HOUR AND I'LL GET YOU MA'AM WE'RE GOING TO FINISH SPEAKING AND I'LL MAKE IT ALL OPEN UP PUBLIC.
UM, HE WANTS IT AT $200 AN HOUR WHEN HE BELIEVES THERE.
I MEAN, CONSIDERING WE ALL KNOW THAT A NEWS STORY CAME OUT STATING THAT THE CHIEF'S ATTORNEYS MAKE A HUNDRED.
I THINK THAT'S NO FAIR AMOUNT FOR AN OUTSIDE.
IT, YOU MADE THE $200, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE, AGAIN, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN.
WHAT IS, WHAT HAS THIS CONTRACT DAN? WELL, A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH, WHETHER HE GOES OVER OR, BUT THAT'S ALSO WAS NEGOTIATED BACK WHEN WE WERE ADDING MAYBE TWO, THREE HEARINGS, TERMINATION HEARINGS A YEAR, AND THEY WEREN'T LASTING NEAR LONGEST ONE THAT I HAD THIS IN 2015, WHEN I JOINED THE BOARD, THE LONGEST ONE THAT WE HAD PRIOR TO THIS YEAR WAS POLICE HEARING FOR TERMINATION.
WE BROUGHT UP THE VICTIM, EVERYTHING, AND IT LASTED TILL ABOUT FIVE O'CLOCK.
AND THAT WAS AN IN-DEPTH ONE, TWO OFFICERS AT THE SAME TIME, NO CRYSTAL BALL TO SAY WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THIS TERMINAL CHANGE TO WHERE WE GO BACK TO THAT.
I HAVE FAITH THAT IT'LL CHANGE, BUT I THINK MR. FLOYD RIGHTFULLY SO IS LOOKING OUT FOR BUSINESS INTERESTS AND THE FACT THAT HE COULD BE BILLING SOMEBODY ELSE AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE THAN $200 AN HOUR FOR EVERY PHONE CALL THAT MYSELF AND MISS
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PENNY GIVE HIM OR YEAH, RUB THEM UP.YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TWOFOLD ONE, DO WE FIGHT THIS? WE FIGHT IT HARDER.
AND THEN THE SECOND IS IF WE DON'T, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK FOR A NEW ATTORNEY.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO LOOK FORWARD IN RETURN.
WE PICK OUR OWN ATTORNEY, THE BOARD PICKS THEIR ATTORNEY.
UM, I'VE HAD ONE VOLUNTEER SO FAR, EVEN THE BOARD ATTORNEY, CLIFF IVY, AND I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT'S STILL VALID, BUT, UH, HE'S VOLUNTEERED HIS SERVICES.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT HIS RATE WOULD BE THAT'S BETWEEN HIM AND THE FIRST ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE IT WOULD BE LESS THAN 200 AN HOUR.
ARE THEY HELPING ON THAT REASON? THAT UP TO 200 AN HOUR? I MEAN THAT'S FOR THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
BECAUSE YOU SAID FOR THE FIRST THING THAT IT'S ONE 20, RIGHT? ARE THEY NOT? AND WE GO UP TO 200 FOR THE FIRST BIN.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO, I DON'T KNOW, OTHER THAN SUBMITTING ANOTHER REQUEST MAYBE TO THE MAYOR AND ASKING HER TO DO, I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT PROCESS WE DIED, THAT WE REALLY WANT IT'S $800 A MONTH, BUT WE'RE WHAT HE'S PUTTING.
YOU SAID 800 A MONTH IS THE DIFFERENCE.
I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULDN'T BE REASONABLE.
THAT'S WHAT ATTORNEYS, LIKE YOU SAID 2 50, 200.
I CAN'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD WANT THIS ATTORNEY TO TAKE THE LIST.
I AGREE WITH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE GOING, MOVING FORWARD.
IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT FLOYD.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS DO, YOU KNOW, FLOYD'S HISTORY, I'M ASSUMING FAR AS CIVIL SERVICE LAW GOES IN THE STATE.
HE HELPED WRITE IT BACK IN THE SEVENTIES.
HE HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN CIVIL SERVICE LAW, HIS WHOLE CAREER.
I MEAN, HE IS THE PINNACLE OF CIVIL SERVICE LAW AND DATA LEAVES THE, FOR US TO HAVE HIM OFF AND FOR US TO LOSE HIM WOULD BE SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO BOARD, A BOARD ATTORNEY BECAUSE HE TENURED HIS RESIGNATION ON AUGUST 31ST.
AND ON THAT TODAY'S HEARINGS THAT WERE SET TO BE HEARD WERE POSTPONED BY THE, THE APPELLATE OR THE CHIEF'S OFFICE.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH I WAS GOING TO POSTPONE THEM ANYWAY, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING ANY HEARING UNTIL WE HAVEN'T.
SO, UM, WE, I, I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO END THE EVENT.
JUST SAY WE'RE AT A STALEMATE WITH, UH, BOTH THE CITY AND WITH, UM, OUR CURRENT MR. FLOYD, WE'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PROCESS TO VET THE PERSON, CHOOSING AN ATTORNEY.
AND WHEN YOU SAY CHOOSE, UH, BUT HOW WOULD, I MEAN, WHAT, WE ALMOST PUT THIS OUT FOR BID OR W HOW WOULD WE DO THIS? I WOULDN'T SAY FORBID.
NO, BUT WE WOULD FIND AN ATTORNEY.
WE PUT IT OUT THERE, ADVERTISE IT, I GUESS THAT WE NEEDED ATTORNEY MS.
SHE IS A BUYER REPRESENTATION.
THERE'LL BE HERE NEXT MONTH, BUT I'LL TALK TO HER IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, AND HAMMER EVERYTHING OUT AT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WELL, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IT RENDERS IN EFFECT, UM, POINTLESS, BECAUSE WE, WE CAN CONDUCT NO BUSINESS BASED UPON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE IN TECHNICALLY.
I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IT WITHOUT A BOARD ATTORNEY, APPEARANCE, NOT BUSINESS HEARING.
SO THE WAY THAT HEARINGS HAVE BEEN APPEALED PAST US THIS YEAR, I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE TYPED UP AND FILED WITH THE COURT.
I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, BAKING THAT ON MYSELF OR, OR MS. PENNY TAKING THAT ON.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY.
I WOULD LIKE TO FIGHT A LITTLE HARDER PERSONALLY, OR MR. FLOYD, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIGHT AS A BOARD A LITTLE HARDER TO KEEP THEM, I MEAN, IT'S $800 A MONTH FOR THAT AMOUNT OF EXPERTISE.
I THINK IT'S A BARGAIN AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MONTHS, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE DON'T UTILIZE AN HOURS OF THEM.
I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY HIT AN HOURS AND BILLABLE HOURS WITH JUST PENNY AND I, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, LET ALONE THE HEARINGS OR THE MEETINGS MAYBE.
WELL, I MOVE, WE FIGHT TO GET DEPLOYED.
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WHERE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT? BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIGHT.I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A BOAT THING.
IT GETS JUST SOMETHING WE ALL NEED TO KIND OF AGREE ON.
DO WE USE UP THIS NEXT MONTH? I MEAN, EITHER WAY, I DON'T SEE US GETTING AN ATTORNEY BY THE OCTOBER MEETING UNLESS IT'S MR. FLOYD.
BUT I THINK THE BEST CASE SCENARIO IS THE FIGHT FOR HIM BETWEEN NOW AND OCTOBER.
ONCE WE'VE BEEN TOLD NO BY EVERYONE THAT CAN TELL US, NO.
THEN WE START PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIND THAT WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR BACKLOG? THAT IS WE'RE ETCHING TO BUYER RAZA RIGHT NOW IT'LL PUSH TWO FIRE APPEALS, WHICH ONE WAS GOING TO BE HELD TODAY.
THE OTHER ONE WAS GOING TO BE HELD NEXT MONTH.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE BOTH SUSPENSION APPEALS.
THEY ARE BOTH SMALL ENOUGH THAT WE CAN HANDLE THEM.
MS.
SO, UH, IT JUST MEANS WE'LL PUSH THOSE TWO BACK TILL NEXT YEAR.
THESE AREN'T, THESE AREN'T TERMINATIONS.
I FEEL CONFIDENT WE CAN HANDLE THESE TWO JUST AS A BOARD NEXT MONTH.
THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO GO AHEAD, TAKE CARE OF THESE TWO REGARDLESS ATTORNEY OR NOT.
DOES THAT MEAN EITHER WAY? THAT'S GOING TO BE APPEAL.
I MEAN, LET ME ASK YOU THIS IN THE INTERIM, CAN THE PARISH ATTORNEY SEND A TO, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT CASE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD STOP THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD IF WE HAVE A VIABLE OPTION THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH.
SO WE'LL KEEP THEM ON THE CALENDAR FOR NEXT MONTH.
CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR MR. FLOYD.
IF WE, IF WE GET TOLD NO, THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD.
AND, UH, ONE ASKED THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEND SOMEBODY OVER IN THE INTERIM WHILE WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW SOMEBODY FROM THE PARISH ATTORNEY HERE THAT WE CAN TALK BECAUSE MY BODY FROM THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THAT IS NOT BIASED.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE CAN ASK FOR THAT.
YOU GUYS MIND IF I OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC SYMMETRY, MR. WILLIAMS, PUBLIC COMMENT AND OPEN IT UP, PLEASE LEWIS YOU GOOD? YES.
UH, SO I, YOU KNOW, TO GO WITH PUBLIC, THE WAY PUBLIC MEETINGS WORK, PUBLIC COMMENT USUALLY COMES BEFORE VOTES.
UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK, IS IT OKAY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT HAPPENS.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS I, I THINK THE ATTORNEY PROCESS NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC SITUATION BECAUSE, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SEVERITY OF THE, UM, HEARINGS, THE CHILD I'VE SEEN, YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE UNBIASED AND ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR, UH, THE BOARDS, BUT THE BOARDS PURPOSE IS FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND WE NEED SOMEONE WHO GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR THE PUBLIC.
WHY WE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON THIS.
THE REASON I HELD PUBLIC COMMENT ASK PERMISSION BECAUSE I WAS WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS DONE TALKING.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON THIS.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL JUST TO MAKE A SHORT COMMENT, JENNY HASTINGS SPOT SEVEN, 15 HIGH PLAINS AVENUE.
IT SEEMS TO ME, YOU HAVE TWO ISSUES ON THE TABLE.
ONE IS WHAT IS THE FAIR CONTRACT WITH YOUR ATTORNEY? HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO ASK HIM OR HER TO WORK IN A MONTH, HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO COMPENSATE HIM OR HER FOR THAT.
SECONDLY, IT'S, WHO'S GOING TO FILL THAT POSITION AND BEING A PART OF THE PUBLIC THAT LIKES TO SEE TRANSPARENCY IN HIRING AND WHATEVER.
I WOULD REALLY REITERATE WHAT MS. CARLISLE SAID ABOUT OPENING THE PROCESS UP THE POLICE
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CHIEF HAS SEEMED TO HAVE FOUND TWO VERY COMPETENT ATTORNEYS TO REPRESENT HIM IN CIVIL SERVICE LAW.I'LL BET YOU, THERE ARE OTHER FINE GRADUATES OF LSU AND SOUTHERN LAW SCHOOL OUT THERE THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN THE CITY PARISH GOVERNMENT.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD, UM, TACKLE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME.
MA'AM ANY OTHER COMMENTS, BOARD MEMBERS? I THINK THAT WHATEVER ATTORNEY WE CHOOSE WILL BE WE'LL HAVE THE ANSWERS, THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
UH, I WOULDN'T WANT THAT SOMEBODY THAT WAS BIASED.
UH, I THINK FLORIDA HAS BEEN REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF CIVIL SERVICE LAW.
UH, BIASED, ONLY THE SOCIETIES HE'S TOLD US THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UH, BUT WE WILL TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION AND WHOEVER WE FIND, IF IT'S FLOYD OR WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, I'M SURE.
AND I WILL STAND BEHIND WHOEVER WE VOTE TO REPLACE.
ANY OTHER COMMENT? SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO RETAIN MR. FLOYD.
AND IF WE CANNOT, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SEND OVER AN INTERIM, BUT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE ON WITH OUR PROCESSES NEXT MONTH.
AND WE WILL GO ABOUT FINDING A NEW ATTORNEY.
WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE, REQUEST FOR APPEAL HEARING SERGEANT KENNETH CAMELO I BELIEVE IS REPRESENTATIONS HERE TODAY.
CAN WE GO BACK TO SOMETHING REAL QUICK? ALL RIGHT.
SO THE DISCUSSION WITH THE $200 PER HOUR IN A 49 9 W WHAT WAS THAT? ALL RIGHT.
WE, YOU, THE $200 PER HOUR IN THE 49,900, THE $49,900, ANYTHING OVER $50,000 HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO BY, BY CAPPING IT UNDERNEATH THE $50,000, IF HE EXCEEDED THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL TO ASK FOR APPROVAL TO THAT'S WHY IT WAS KEPT BELOW THAT MR. BOYD AND ASSURED ME IT'S GOING TO BE WELL BELOW.
WELL, 200 AN HOUR AS WELL, BLUE, THEN THE Y WHAT 200 AN HOUR.
BUT THEN HE HAS IT, THEY AGREED TO IT'S A 200 AN HOUR ABOVE THE PEN OUT THE 10 HOUR AN HOUR.
YOU STILL GOING TO GET THE $1,200 A MONTH.
ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING OVER 10 HOURS, HE'LL BILL AT $200 AN HOUR, NOT TO EXCEED $49,900 IN THE YEAR.
THAT WAS JUST PUT IN THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO EXCEED THAT AMOUNT.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME FORWARD.
METRO COUNCIL AGAIN, SHOULD THAT NUMBER BE EXCEEDED? I PUT THAT NUMBER AND YOU AND MS. DENNY OUT TOO, AND MORE THAN 10 HOURS A MONTH, YOU SPEAK WITH MR. FLOYD QUITE A BIT, MS. PENNINGTON.
NOW IN THE FUTURE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CUT THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, UH, HAVE THE CHAIR BE THE CONDUIT BETWEEN THE SECRETARY AND THE ATTORNEY, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW IN THE WAY THAT IT'S, THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THAT'S IT.
[5. Request for Appeal Hearing: Sgt. Kenneth Camallo]
NUMBER FIVE, MR.MR. KERSHAW, CAN YOU ADVISE US WHAT, HOW THAT CAME BACK? UM, THE YES.
PLAN PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS 75 DAYS, UM, DUE TO THE CONCURRENT NATURE, I'LL SEND IT BACK FOR RECONSIDERATION.
THREE DIFFERENT DISTAL LETTERS WERE ISSUED WELL OVER A WEEK AGO, I THINK.
AND, UH, BASICALLY COMES OUT TO THE SAME 75 DAYS, BUT IT'S NOW CONSECUTIVE.
UM, UM, I FORGET THE BREAKDOWN THAT ONE'S 40 ANYWAY.
WE'VE, UM, ON FRIDAY FILED A PETITION OF OUR APPEAL ON ALL THREE.
AND YOU'VE RECEIVED THAT PETITION MS. PENNY, AND IT WAS DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER WITHIN THE 15 DAYS.
IT WAS THE QUESTION NOW THERE'S
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DO WE HEAR ALL THREE AREAS ON ONE DAY, SCHEDULED THEM ALL FOR ONE DAY OR DO WE SCHEDULE THEM EACH INDIVIDUAL HEARING FOR A DIFFERENT DAY? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT, MR. PRINCIPAL? UM, WE WOULD BE FINE WITH HAVING ALL THREE ON THE SAME DAY.I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M GOING TO BE PUTTING A TIME CONSTRAINT ON ARGUMENT.
WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO MULTIPLE CASES IN ONE DAY, I'M GOING TO PUT A TIME CONSTRAINT ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, I THINK I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT MY ONLY ISSUE IS CROSS THE CROSS EXAMINATION.
IF I TELL YOU, YOU HAVE AN HOUR TO ARGUE YOUR CASE, CALL YOUR WITNESSES WITHIN THAT HOUR, THOSE WITNESSES NEED TO BE CROSS-EXAMINED.
UM, SO I HAVEN'T REALLY FIGURED OUT A FAIR WAY TO DO THAT.
I'LL GET WITH THE MR. RAINS AND MR. HAMILTON AND YOU AND THE OTHER ATTORNEYS THAT REPRESENT THE APPELLANTS AND SEE WHAT IS A FAIR WAY TO DO CROSS.
ONCE I'VE HASHED THAT OUT, THEN THERE'LL BE TIME CONSTRAINTS.
SO I BELIEVE THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO FINISH ALL THREE IN A TIMELY MANNER, AS LONG AS EVERYONE FEELS THAT THAT'S ENOUGH TIME.
I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE AN APPEAL TO THE 19 JDS JDC STATING THAT THE BOARD DIDN'T GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO ARGUE OUR CASES.
I MEAN, IN A, ESPECIALLY IN A SUSPENSION CASE AND AN HOUR OF ARGUMENT AND HOUR TO CALL WITNESSES, I BELIEVE IS, IS ENOUGH TIME OR EVEN TWO HOURS PER, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY DO AN HOUR AND AN HOUR PER WE CAN DO WE, WE'RE NOT BOUND BY OR PAGERS.
WE CAN DO, WE CAN BOLD OUR HEARINGS, WHATEVER WAY THAT IS FAIR AND UNBIASED AS WE CHOOSE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A WAY TO KIND OF REIGN IN THESE MARATHON SESSIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
I MEAN, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE BEFORE.
SO I KIND OF UNDERSTAND AND THINK I KNOW WHY IT IS NOW, BUT, UH, IN A WAY TO FIX THAT, I THINK LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT ATTORNEYS HAVE TO, THE SPEED IS A WAY TO MAKE THEM GET TO THE POINT.
THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME.
NOW THEY HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS RIGAMAROLE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD OPEN UP EVERY HEARING WITH JUST LETTING THEM KNOW.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE USED TO, WITH THEIR JOBS, DOING THINGS IN A CERTAIN WAY, SETTING UP QUESTIONS FOR CERTAIN WAYS.
UM, LEADING THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAD THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL, HERE I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE.
YOU HAVE TO GET THE POINT ACROSS, LET US KNOW ALL THE FACTS, LET US KNOW ALL THE INFORMATION YOU GIVE US EVERYTHING SO WE CAN MAKE AN ADVISED AND EDUCATED.
WELL, I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REQUEST FOR APPEAL HEARINGS BY SERGEANT KENNETH.
CAMELO SECONDED BY MR. SMITH, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, ANY OPPOSED.
AND NOW FOR THE SCHEDULING PORTION OF THAT, AS OF RIGHT NOW, TENTATIVELY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE EVERYTHING ON ONE DAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE OUR NEXT AVAILABLE IS GOING TO BE MARCH.
NOW WE LEFT MARCH OPEN AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS A SCHEDULING CONFLICT WITH MR. DEWEY OR WITH MR. HAMILTON AND RAINS.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE IT FOR THE NEXT OPENING, WHICH IS MARCH OF 2022.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYONE? WHAT'S THE DATE ON THEM? I'M SORRY.
I'LL BE STARTING A JURY TRIAL IN LAKE CHARLES.
SO THE FOLLOWING MONTH WILL BE GOOD.
APRIL'S TAKEN BY A TERMINATION HEARING, WHICH I THINK WHAT I CAN DO SOMETHING REAL QUICK FOR YOU.
IN NOVEMBER, WE HAVE A MOTION HEARING, JUST EMOTION OR MR. COWER.
NOW MOTION HEARING AGAIN, I'M GOING TO BE PUTTING A STIPULATION ON MOTION HEARINGS AS WELL, ALL THE PAPERWORK AND ALL THE ARGUMENT SHOULD ALREADY BE GIVEN TO THE BOARD PRIOR TO US EVEN COMING IN, WE SHOULD SEE THEIR POSITION AND WE SHOULD SEE THEIR, UH, REBUTTAL BASICALLY FOR THAT MOTION.
THEN BASICALLY GIVE THEM 20 MINUTES.
THERE'S NO WITNESSES TO CALL ON EMOTION.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO EXPLAIN AND BE THERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT AREN'T OUTLINED IN A MOTION THAT THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED.
ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH TAKING A MOTION HEARING PRIOR TO, UM, I ANTICIPATE FILING MOTIONS ON THESE TWO.
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SAME DAY, I DON'T GET THEM FILED IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, BUT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE TOO MUCH TO DEAL WITH.IF WE TRY TO SCHEDULE IT FOR NOVEMBER, WE HAVE, WE'D HAVE TWO MOTIONS.
WE'D HAVE TWO MOTIONS AND THEN THREE, THREE HEARINGS.
AND I THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH, EVEN WITH THE TIME STIPULATIONS THOUGH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE YOUR MOTIONS OR NOVEMBER, WHATEVER MOTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE BOARD.
I BELIEVE MS. PENNY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE REQUIRE THOSE MOTIONS TO BE IN 15 DAYS PRIOR OR 15 DAYS PRIOR FOR THE MOTION.
AND THEN HOW MANY DAYS FOR THE, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT MOTION FROM THE OTHER SIDE, MR. OR SEAN? OH, THERE, UM, OPPOSITION MEMORANDUM, OPPOSITION.
THERE WAS A STIPULATION ON THAT FOR W DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS MS. PENNY 15 AS WELL? I DON'T THINK THEY CAN.
THEY CAN'T BOTH BE ON THE SAME BECAUSE THE, UH, THE OTHER ATTORNEYS NEED TO RECEIVE THAT MOTION.
I'LL HAVE, UM, 30 DAYS OUT AND I PLAN ON HAVING IT FILED PROBABLY FOR THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
LET'S PUT A STIPULATION ON THAT MOTION OF 30 DAYS OUT IN 15 DAYS FOR THE MO UH, OPPOSITION MEMO.
AND WE'LL HEAR TWO MOTIONS BASICALLY ON THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
WE'RE MOVING THE HEARING TO ME.
TOMATO IS HERE AND IS GOING TO GO TILL MAY.
YES, I WAS GETTING TO MAY 23RD WOULD BE THE DATE AND THE FREE HEARINGS FOR CAMELO ON MAY 20TH ON MAY 23RD, 2020.
I'M MOVED THAT WE SCHEDULE THOSE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON, UH, ON WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
WE HAD A, AN APPEAL HEARING SCHEDULED TODAY.
[6. Appeal Hearing*. Jason E. Ogle / 15-day Suspension]
ITEM NUMBER SIX FOR MR. OGLE IS A 15 DAY SUSPENSION.WE, IT HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WE CONTINUE THAT UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
SO WE WON'T BE HEARING A, WE NOT GOING TO, YOU WANT TO RESCHEDULE IT, OR THEY'RE BOTH.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEM BOTH ON THE SAME DAY.
NEXT MONTH, THE OVERLY IN A BOAT ON THAT TO RESCHEDULE IT FOR SCHEDULING, YOU DON'T NEED TO ADD ANY, DID WE RECEIVE THE REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE IN WRITING MS. PERRY? YES.
I DON'T GET EVERYTHING SHE NEEDED FOR THAT CASE.
I KNOW SHE WAS THE REASON WHY SHE, SHE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE IT ON HER SCHEDULE.
OH, YOU GOT, I PROVIDED THE DOCUMENTS WE HAD AVAILABLE.
WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP THE MEETING TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? I'M AUSTRALIA.
THAT'S WHY I LIKE TALK TO YOU AFTER THIS MEETING, PLEASE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.