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MORNING, EVERYONE I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER OF THIS MEETING AND THE BATON ROUGE, MUNICIPAL FIRE AND POLICE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD ON JANUARY 24TH, 2022.
[1. Roll Call]
MS. PENNY, WILL YOU ALL THE ROLL PLEASE? YES, SIR.JOHN SMITH, BRANDON WILLIAMS, SHARON LEWIS PRESENT, PRESS ROBINSON, PRESENT ROBBERIES, ROSA CHAIRMAN.
MA'AM HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, OH, I'M SORRY.
I NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THIS AGENDA BEFORE WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM
[2. Opportunity for Public Comment]
LAST MEETING, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING THINGS COMING UP ON THE AGENDA, THINGS FROM PAST ANYTHING AT ALL GOING ONCE.
UM, SO, UH, I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA TODAY.
UH, I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT, UH, UH, THE ATTORNEY SITUATION, SO I HOPE THAT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF REALLY EXPLAINED WHAT GELS PROCESSES AS YOU GO WHEN YOU GET TO THAT PART.
UH, ASSUME THAT SOME OF US HAVE NO IDEA AND EXPLAIN IT LIKE WE'RE KINDERGARTNERS SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
MA'AM ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
[3. Approve minutes from the regular Board meeting held November 22, 2021.]
HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS IN NOVEMBER? THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE AMENDED ON THOSE MINUTES.WHERE IS MY MINUTE? WHERE ARE THEY? OKAY, HERE THEY ARE.
DOES EVERYONE HAVE A COPY OF THEM? NO BOARD MEMBERS.
LET ME READ IT TO YOU THAT THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER, WELL, IT'S NOT NUMBERED AND THERE'S A REASON THAT IT'S NOT NUMBER.
WE HELD A, UH, UH, READ YOU EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S IN THE MINUTES, IN ADDITION BY ROLL CALL VOTE, IT WAS MOVED AND SECONDED TO OPEN NEGOTIATIONS FOR CIVIL SERVICE BOARD ATTORNEY.
AND THEN THE BOARD HELD A VOTE ON THAT BECAUSE THAT ITEM WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA FOR THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
SO, UM, NOW THAT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT VOTE WAS SOLELY TO OPEN NEGOTIATIONS AND ACCEPT APPLICATIONS FOR ATTORNEYS AND TO START NEGOTIATIONS FOR MR. FLOYD'S CONTRACT.
SO WE STILL CONTINUED TO DO THAT.
WE IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE NULLIFYING THAT VOTE.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE VOTE WASN'T ON THE AGENDA.
IT, IT'S NOT LEGAL, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HOLD, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE IN IT'S.
AND I DON'T PLAN ON HAVING A VOTE FOR THAT TODAY.
THE BOARD IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR AN ATTORNEY.
AND MR. WILLIAMS IS GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT, WE VOTE ON THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
WE DIDN'T NEED TO VOTE ON IT, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON IT.
NOW IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
UH, THE, THE APPLICATIONS WERE TAKEN THE, IT WAS OPENED UP TO ATTORNEYS TO APPLY, AND I STOPPED NEGOTIATIONS FOR MR. FLOYD THOUGH.
I DIDN'T NEED A VOTE TO DO THAT.
UM, I JUST, WE HAVE TO STATE THAT WE WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW IN THAT, IN THOSE REGARDS, BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO I MOVED THAT.
NOW THE FIRE, WHATEVER LANGUAGE YOU'D LIKE TO USE, MS. PENNY, UM, AND HERE'S THE ACTUAL MOTION THAT I'M GOING TO STATE AND I'M USING YOUR LANGUAGE VERBATIM.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER MEETING WHILE RESENDING, IT'S NOT AN ITEM NUMBER, BUT RESCINDING THE ROLL CALL VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN DURING THAT MEETING.
BUT WE WILL ERASE THAT OFF OF THE MINUTES THAT SECONDED BY DR.
ROBINSON ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
ANY OPPOSED MOTION AREAS WHERE WE GET INTO ANY OTHER BUSINESS, I'VE GOT ONE AD ON TODAY.
AND THAT ADD ON IS YOU ALL GOT THE, YES IT IS.
I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE YOU EXPLAIN IT RIGHT NOW, JOHN I'LL HAVE YOU EXPLAIN IT WHEN WE GO INTO IT.
BUT I HAVE AN ADD ON BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ALL, FOR AN EXAM FOR FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR.
I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT ON IS AND THIS NUMBER ISN'T GOING TO GO WITH THE AGENDAS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.
I'M USING THE AGENDA THAT WE SENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT I FEEL WE'RE REQUIRED TO USE.
SO TO MAKE IT EASIER, YOU GUYS HAVE AN ITEM, NUMBER FIVE ON YOURS.
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HAVE AN ITEM? NUMBER SIX? YOU HAVE AN ITEM SIX, RIGHT? WHAT'S ITEM NUMBER SIX.I MOVE B ADD ON NUMBER ONE A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AND I'LL GET MR. SMITH TO EXPLAIN THAT WHEN WE COME TO IT, I'M PUTTING IT AT NUMBER SIX, JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GO FOR A, B, C, D ALL THE WAY DOWN ON MINUS TO J I BELIEVE ON YOURS AS TO I, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO GET CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.
SO WE'LL JUST ADD IT ON AS NUMBER SIX AND MOVE GERMANS DOWN.
[4. Administrative Matters]
ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS.ITEM NUMBER FOUR, A AND AGAIN, BOARD MEMBERS, THESE LETTERS OR, OR DESCRIPTORS MAY NOT MATCH THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE.
YOU WOULD JUST WRITE IN WHAT I SAY.
THE FOUR H HAS CALLED FOR EXAMINATIONS FOR FIRE PREVENTION, CHIEF ASSISTANT FIRE PREVENTION, CHIEF FIRE, CAPTAIN HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, OFFICER FIRE, TRAINING, OFFICER FIRE SERVICES AND SUPPLY TECHNICIAN, FIRE INVESTIGATOR, FIRE COMMUNICATIONS, OFFICER ONE, LEASE FORENSIC SCIENTIST, PRIME STATISTICIAN LEASE COMMUNICATIONS, OFFICER TWO AND POLICE CADET.
WE CALL FOR THOSE EXAMINATIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES ITEM FOUR, A B APPROVE APPLICATIONS, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THEM.
THAT'S THE NEXT, UH, WE ALREADY APPROVED APPLICANTS, UH, APPLICATIONS.
PENNY WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS.
WE DO HAVE SOME DISQUALIFICATIONS ON SOME OF THEM.
DID YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE THE APPLICATIONS WITH THE DISQUALIFICATIONS? AND I'LL EXPLAIN THE DISQUALIFICATIONS.
WHEN WE COME TO THEM, THEY'RE UP THERE WITH MS. PENNY.
Y'ALL GUYS WANT TO REVIEW THEM? I DON'T KNOW MA'AM WITH THE APPLICATIONS.
WHAT WAS THAT? IT'S ON THE PUBLIC AGENDA, BUT IT'S FINE.
REMEMBER THE AGENDA THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IS NOT THE AGENDA THAT I'M GOING BY.
THE ONE THAT WAS SENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, THIS AGENDA AS IT ON THAT MIGHT BE NOW AGAIN.
NUMBER FOUR B BY OUR APPARATUS TECHNICIAN, THERE WERE TWO QUALIFIED APPLICANTS, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF.
THERE WERE FIVE QUALIFIED APPLICANTS, CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE SPECIALISTS.
ONE, THERE WERE TWO QUALIFIED APPLICANTS, CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS.
THERE WAS ONE QUALIFIED APPLICANT AND ONE DISQUALIFIED APPLICANT THAT DISQUALIFIED APP HINT FAILED TO MEET THE EMPLOYMENT REQUIREMENTS OF HAVING TWO YEARS LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE.
PRIOR TO APPLYING LAW ENFORCEMENT OR, OR RELATED EXPERIENCE, I SHOULD SAY AT LEAST FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN ONE, THERE WAS ONE FIRE, ONE QUALIFIED APPLICANT, PLEASE.
COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER ONE, THERE WERE FIVE QUALIFIED APPLICANTS AND ONE DISQUALIFIED APPLICANT DUE TO AGE.
THEY DIDN'T MEET THE 21 YEAR AGE REQUIREMENT.
I MOVED THAT ACCEPT THE QUALIFIED APPLICATIONS AND NOT BE TOO DISQUALIFIED APPLICATIONS.
ROBINSON ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY NAYS? MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
GIVE ME A MINUTE WHILE I OPEN THESE, I'M GOING TO JUST HAND YOU ALL THE FIRE ONES.
HERE'S THE CORRESPONDING IT'S PENNY.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE ALL OUT OF ORDER.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE OUT OF ORDER.
I TO HAVE THEM ON HAND, IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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UM, DON, YOU REVIEWING THOSE.IF YOU WOULD JUST TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW, BUT THE STORE WAS OFF AND WE EACH INDIVIDUALLY DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM.
YOU WANT THE SCORES, LIKE HOW MANY PATHS? HOW MANY PAST OUR RESEARCH AND STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OFFICE THREE, WE HAD, OH, I'M GOING TO WRITE THOSE DOWN.
SO, UH, LET'S SEE FOR RESEARCH AND STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OFFICER, LET ME KNOW HOW MANY WE HAD NINE, NINE PATH.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT MS. PENNY.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THEM, I STILL HAVE THIS APPLICANT BRING THEM ON THE SIDE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S FOR THE FIRE SERVICE, CORRECT? YES.
DO YOU NEED THESE ENVELOPES SINCE PENNY? YOU DON'T WANT ME TO PUT THEM BACK IN THERE? WHATEVER'S CONVENIENT.
WELL, ELISE FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN, ONE WITH TWO PADS, LEAST FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN.
WE HAD TO THINK THROUGH, BY A RECORDS CLERK, WE HAD BREATHED AT PAST BUYER RECORDS OR THREE PAST AND DO NO, SIR.
PERFECT POLICE BREMMER, ROMANO INFORMATION SPECIALIST ONE.
WE HAD ONE, ONE CHECK THAT WAS GREECE.
UH, ONE PATCH, ONE DIDN'T MATCH AND BRED, UH, CHIEF TRAINING OFFICER ONE PAST ONE PATH, OR AT LEAST COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER ONE.
WE HAVE FOUR PATH THAT WAS BS COMMUNICATIONS, SIR.
AND MS. PENNY, YOU WANT ME TO PUT THE TEST IN THESE PACKETS IN HERE OR WHATEVER'S CONVENIENT? I'M SORTED OUT LATER.
I JUST WANT THEM TO BE AVAILABLE IF ANYBODY HAS.
AND FOR CADET, WE HAVE ZERO BASICALLY ON YOUR EDIT OF APPLICATIONS OR YOU'RE EDITING A BIG FANS OF YOUR APPLICANT IS QUALIFIED TO RECEIVE THE FIVE ADDITIONAL VETERANS PREFERENCE THAT WOULD BE WRITTEN ON THE PATIENT THAT SO THEIR SCORE MAY CHANGE, CORRECT? OR DOES THE OSC, OKAY.
THE SCORES MAY CHANGE OR THE ORDER.
DID YOU HEAR ME? I WAS LETTING THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW THAT ON THE COMPETITIVE EXAM SCORES, UM, THERE ARE APPLICATIONS IN FOLDERS THAT ACCOMPANY THE SCORES IN CASE AN APPLICANT HAS QUALIFIED.
YOU RECEIVED THE FIVE ADDITIONAL VETERANS PREFERENCE POINTS.
WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
I DON'T THINK I'M MISSING ANYTHING.
MAKE SURE I HAVE EVERYTHING ACCOUNTED FOR.
LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY, JOHN.
THE TALLY IS THIS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE SCORES AS FOLLOWS ONE QUALIFY
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OR ONE PASSING SCORE FOR CHIEF TRAINING OFFICER IN THE FIRE SERVICE NINE PAT I'M SORRY, TWO PASSING SCORES OR DEPUTY FIRE.CHIEF NINE PASSING SCORES FOR RESEARCH AND STATISTICAL ANALYSIS.
OFFICER THREE, PASSING SCORES FOR FIRE RECORDS, CLERK, ONE PASSING SCORE FOR BUDGET AND ACCOUNTING AND THE FIRE SERVICE TO PASSING SCORES FOR POLICE FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN TWO PASSING SCORES FOR POLICE FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN.
I AM MISSING ONE FOR ADMINISTRATOR.
DID YOU SEE ONE FOR ADMINISTRATOR DAWN? OKAY.
YOU SAW ONE PASSING SCORE FOR POLICE CRIMINAL INFORMATION SPECIALISTS, ONE OR PASSING SCORES FOR POLICE COMMUNICATION, OFFICER ONE.
AND THERE ARE NO PASSING SCORES FOR POLICE CADET, CORRECT? THAT WAS A MOTION.
AND MY DOCTOR, YES, MA'AM ONE PASSING SCORE FOR CHIEF TRAINING, OFFICER TWO PASSING SCORES FOR DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF AND NINE PASSING SCORES OR RESEARCH AND STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OFFICER.
I MADE THE MOTION AND SECONDED BY DR.
ROBINSON ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? WE WERE APPROVING ALL THOSE SCORES TODAY, RIGHT? HERE'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE CRAZY ON THE ADMITTED ON THE ACTUALLY I'M SORRY, FOUR D APPROVED TO POST THE PROPOSED CLASS SPECIFICATION OR ADOPTION AT A PUBLIC HEARING FEBRUARY 28TH, 2022 FOR CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION THAT IS IN THE FIRE SERVICE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO OWN THAT? ALL THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE, CHIEF MAJORS HAD REQUESTED THAT WE POST AND WE REALIZED THAT IT WAS A LONGER PROCESS TO DO SO.
UH, WE, WE HAD SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT DON TOBER MEETING.
WE WERE JUST RECLASSIFYING THE, UH, ASSISTANT CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION.
THE PREVIOUS JOB TITLE WAS, OH, I DROVE BY, UH, CHIEF KIMBALL'S HERE.
IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK ON IT TOO, THAT WAS NOT CHIEF ADMINISTRATION.
AND, UH, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATIVE FIRE.
CHIEF WAS THE POSITION RECLASSIFIED THAT CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION, WHICH WILL BE OVER ALL NON SUPPRESSION PERSONNEL, MAKING THAT EQUAL TO OUR CHIEF OF OPERATIONS OVER SUPPRESSION.
JUST TRYING TO BREAK DOWN OUR SPAN OF CONTROL A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE THE CHIEF OF OPERATIONS WAS OVERSEEING EVERYBODY.
AND THIS WILL ALLOW CHIEF ADMINISTRATION TO OVERSEE ALL NON SUPPRESSION VERSUS EXCELLENT.
THIS IS A NEWLY APPOINTED CHIEF KIMBALL.
HE'S THE NEW FIRE CHIEF FOR THE BATON ROUGE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, AS FAR AS WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ASKING FOR A RECLASSIFICATION OF AN ALREADY EXISTING CLASSIFICATION, SO YOU'RE GOING TO POST IT FOR 30 DAYS NOW.
I MOVE THAT WE POST, HAVE WE ALREADY POSTED FOR THAT? IF THE POSTING IS THERE AS A COMPANY WITH IT, UH, IT WILL BEGIN JANUARY 26TH AND RUN THROUGH IT WILL BEGIN JANUARY 26TH AND IN, UH, FEBRUARY 25TH, JUST RIGHT BEFORE OUR FEBRUARY MEETING SCHEDULED FOR AND THEN 28 AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE THEIR INPUT ON THAT POSTING AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE HERE, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS PUBLIC MAY HAVE.
I MOVE THAT WE POST, BUT 30 DAYS, THE NEW CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, AYE, ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE FUNKY.
I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE, THE AGENDA THAT WAS SENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO MORE REFLECT WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE.
BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO SIT IN THE FRONT TWO AGENDAS.
ONE I HAVE, OR DO YOU WANT THE ONE ON ONE THAT WAS MAILED TO ME? THE MAIL NOW THE MAILED ONE.
THAT ONE DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE, ALL THE ITEMS ON IT.
HERE'S THE ONE THAT YOU GOT TODAY.
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ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO ME MOVING THE ORDER OF THESE THINGS, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HIT THE ITEMS. I'VE JUST GOT TO MOVE THEM OUT OF ORDER.I'D LIKE TO GET ALL THE, UH, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO BOARD MEMBERS TO GIVE ME THE PROPER NUMBERS THAT'S ON THERE.
I DOWN THEIR AGENDAS FOR THESE ITEMS THOUGH, APPROVE A REQUEST, ASKS THE OFFICE OF STATE EXAMINER TO ADMINISTER THE POLICE SERGEANT EXAM, TO CARRY J CULLEN AS HE WAS ON MILITARY LEAVE.
WHEN THIS EXAM WAS GIVEN AUGUST 21ST, 2021, WHICH ITEM NUMBER IS THAT ON YOUR AGENDAS? E OR E.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON? UH, THE THERE'S CERTAIN STIPULATIONS THAT THE OFFICE OF STATE EXAMINER WILL GIVE A ONE-OFF TEST TO AN INDIVIDUAL.
AND ONE OF THEM IS IF THEY'RE ON MILITARY LEAVE, MR. COLIN DID PROVIDE HIS ORDERS STATING THAT HE WAS ON MILITARY LEAVE AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING ON APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE IF THERE'S NO OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO BRANDT MR. CULLEN, A SERGEANT'S EXAMINATION GIVEN BY THE OFFICE STATE EXAMINER.
I'LL SECOND SECONDED BY MR. SMITH, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES.
NEXT ONE, I'M LOOKING FOR AN ITEM NUMBER FOR ME.
THE BOARD CONSIDER WITHDRAWING A TWO DAY SUSPENSION FROM FIRE CAPTAIN JEROME PORTERVILLE JUNIORS RECORD.
THAT OCCURRED SEPTEMBER OF 2000 OH TWO BOY F FOUR F.
UH, THIS WAS A LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED FROM INTERIM CHIEF MAJORS REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD WITHDRAWAL A TWO DAY SUSPENSION FROM, UH, FROM A FIRE CAPTAIN.
UM, BUT THE, MY ONLY ISSUE IS I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD CAN DO, ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED BEING NOW THE NEW APPOINTING AUTHORITY AND IN PURSUING THAT LETTER? OKAY.
THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, TO DO AWAY WITH THE SUSPENSION THAT HAPPENED BACK IN 2002, THE PRESCRIBED MANNER IN WHICH THE, THE APPEAL, WHICH BASICALLY THIS IS AN APPEAL.
IT'S JUST AN APPEAL THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR BY THE APPOINT YOUR, THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY OR, OR CHIEF MAJORS, UH, HAS EXPIRED.
AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BACK IN 2002 WITH A 15 DAY WINDOW THAT THEY HAD.
HOWEVER, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS THE ABILITY TO RECTIFY THIS ON THEIR OWN.
YOU DON'T NEED BOARD APPROVAL TO DO SO.
YOU CAN CHANGE PDFS OR WRONGS THAT OTHER CHIEFS HAVE DONE OR ANYTHING IN THE PAST.
AS YOU GUYS SEE FIT, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T VIOLATE CIVIL SERVICE LAW, IN WHICH THIS CASE, IT DOES NOT THE ONLY WAY.
NOW, THE ONLY WAY THAT IT WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD, IS IT BY YOU CHANGING THAT SOMEBODY APPEALED THAT CHANGE THE EMPLOYEE AND PEELED THAT CHANGE AND BROUGHT UP FOR THE BOARD BECAUSE THAT'S AN ACTION THAT YOU DID OR THAT THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY DID.
IF HE DIDN'T LIKE IT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TOOK AWAY HIS DUE DATE OF SUSPENSION.
HE CAN APPEAL THAT TO THE BOARD AND THEN, THEN IT BECOMES INTO OUR ROUND.
BUT FIRE DEPARTMENT, NO APPOINTING CHIEFS, UH, POLICE, CHIEF DOESN'T NEED, UH, CIVIL SERVICE APPROVAL CHANGE PAS, AS LONG AS IT FALLS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S LEGAL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS, BUT THAT WAS AN ACTION THAT THE BOARD ACTUALLY TOOK.
I HAVE NO IDEA THAT ROBINSON BACK IN OH, TWO, YOU MEAN? YEAH, I WAS ASKING LIKE, NO, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF WE, IF THE BOARD ACTUALLY TOOK ACTION ON THE ITEM.
NO, NO, IT WAS, IT WASN'T APPEALED.
UH, I WAS, IT HAPPENED AND WE WERE ACTUALLY IN ROOKIE SCHOOL AND, OH, SEE, HE'S A CAPTAIN NOW.
HE WASN'T A CAPTAIN BACK THEN.
WE WERE IN, WE WERE IN ROOKIE SCHOOL, BUT WE, AT THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T PERFECTED BY CIVIL SERVICE LAW YET, BUT THE BOARD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
SO WE DIDN'T RULE ON ANYTHING.
HE DIDN'T APPEAL IT OR HE COULDN'T HAVE APPEALED IT, BUT THEN THERE'S NO BASIS FOR US TO TAKE ANY ACTION.
SO IT'S GOING TO SOUND BAD, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOT APPROVE THIS REQUEST FROM CHIEF MAJORS THAT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHY I'M SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
THAT WAS THE, UH, OH, YOU MEAN, DID I HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE STATE? NO, I DIDN'T.
AND WHAT DID THEY SAY COMING UP WITH THE MIKE HORSE PLEASE? I'M SORRY, SHANE SPILLMAN.
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THE INTERIM CHIEF MEIJERS WAS HERE, WE DID CALL THE STATE EXAM.THE STATE EXAMINER TOLD, WE TOLD US WE HAD TO COME TO CIVIL SERVANTS.
I MEAN, IT IS OKAY TO DENY IT.
WE CAN GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH THE STATE EXAMINER AND FIND OUT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY.
UM, THE, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GUYS, BECAUSE I DO IT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS QUITE A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UM, WAS ANYTHING DEALING WITH A PAF WITH A CIVIL SERVICE? IT HAD TO COME THROUGH Y'ALL I GOT, WE CAN'T ARBITRARILY JUST IF THE NEW CHIEF WALKS IN, UM, CHIEF KIMBALL'S HERE NOW, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ARBITRARILY GO BACK.
AND SOMEBODY THAT CHIEF SMITH GAVE FIVE DAYS OFF.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN ARBITRARILY CHANGE THAT WITHOUT COMING TO THE BOARD.
WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE STATE EXAMINER TO FIND OUT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DENY THAT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE AND I CAN FIGURE IT UNTIL NEXT MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE, OR I CAN DO TONIGHT, BUT WHAT WE CAN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE POWER TO.
AND NOW I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO DENY IT.
WE CAN ALWAYS BRING IT BACK UP AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IT'S I MEAN, THE GUY HAS BEEN HERE 20 YEARS.
HE'S GONNA BE HERE ANOTHER 10, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT HIM RIGHT NOW.
I BELIEVE IT WAS SECONDED BY DR.
ROBINSON THAT WE, UM, NOT APPROVE THE REQUEST MADE BY THE FIRE CHIEF, THIS SPINE ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES REQUESTS FOR APPEAL HEARING BY JOEL AND I'M KIND OF BUTCHER THIS LAST NAME.
JOEL, GOUDY UH, RECEIVED A LETTER OF REPRIMAND.
IS HE IN THE FIRE SERVICE? YES.
WHAT ITEM NUMBER FOUR DO YOU THINK, OR MS. PENNY, DID WE RECEIVE THIS APPEAL REQUEST WITHIN THE ALLOTTED 15 DAYS AFTER THE ROLLING, THE BOARD WILL NEED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? I BELIEVE MAYBE MR. SPILLMAN OR SOMEONE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD GET MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHY THE DATES ARE.
DO WE HAVE THAT ALIGNMENT? DO WE HAVE THAT REQUEST IN OUR PACKET? THAT WAS EMAILED.
LET ME LOOK FOR IT REAL QUICK.
WHAT'S THE DISCREPANCIES, MISS PENNY.
I DON'T FEEL I HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE APPELLANT? I DON'T.
LET ME JUST SO I KNOW BEFORE WE START ASKING QUESTIONS, CAUSE ANYONE FOUND THAT YET.
IT'S THE ACTUAL REQUEST FOR AN APPEAL.
I'M MR. DOUBTING IN YOUR BOARD PACKET, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS THREE PAGES ATTACHED.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE, I DON'T SEE IT YET.
AND DO WE HAVE THE ACTUAL RULING LETTER ON THE BACK OF THIS? YES.
I'M GOING TO PASS THIS AROUND.
LET ME JUST TO MAKE SOME NOTES ON IT REAL QUICK.
BEFORE I PASS IT, OR I'LL ASK YOU TO READ IT INTO RECORD.
WHAT, UH, WHAT DATES I SEE AND EVERYTHING.
SEE ON OCTOBER 5TH, YOU'RE STANDING UP HERE AND STANDING EXCELLENT.
ON OCTOBER 5TH, YOU RECEIVED A LETTER FROM CHIEF MAJORS MAJOR, UH, WHERE YOU RECEIVED A LETTER OF REPRIMAND.
AND YOU SUBMITTED AN APPEAL FOR THAT LETTER ON JANUARY 13TH OF THIS YEAR, WE RECEIVED IT.
DO YOU, ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOU HAVE 15 DAYS AFTER THE RECEIPT OF ANY DISCIPLINE BY THE DEPARTMENT, YOU DO NOTIFY THE BOARD THAT YOU INTEND TO APPEAL IT OR REQUESTING AN APPEAL? YES, BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UH, A FELLOW TRAINING OFFICER WROTE ME UP AND ALL THAT PAPERWORK GOT TURNED IN AND IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW, A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE I HAD MY MEETING WITH, UH, CHIEF MAJOR.
WHAT WAS THE DATE ON THAT? NO, STAY LADY,
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UH, MAJOR, ALMOST MY FAIR.AND HE MET WITH CHIEF MAJOR ON THE 29TH OF SEPTEMBER.
THE LETTER IS DATED ON 10, FIVE.
THAT WAS NOT GIVEN TO US UNTIL IT WAS HAND DELIVERED TO ME BY, UM, CHIEF VISTA, CHIEF BRADY.
AND THAT WAS ON, UM, DECEMBER 29TH.
SO THE DATE THAT WE ACTUALLY GOT, IT WAS DECEMBER 29.
THE DIFFERENCE THAT I'M SEEING HERE FOR BOARD'S SAKE? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT I'M SEEING HERE IN REFERENCE TO THIS LETTER, AS OPPOSED TO A POLICE LETTER, A RULING LETTER FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THAT THERE'S A SIGNATURE LINE FOR THE EMPLOYEE AND A DATE OR THE EMPLOYEE OF WHEN THEY ACTUALLY RECEIVED THAT.
NOW I BELIEVE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS AND HOPE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BECOMING UP TO DATE AS FAR AS ELECTRONIC NOTIFICATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ISN'T THERE EITHER.
AND STILL DOING THIS MANUALLY, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ON THE, FROM THE CHIEF'S POINT OF VIEW OR THE CHIEF, BOTH CHIEF'S POINT OF VIEW, THAT IF YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT FAILS TO COME IN OR FAILS TO SHOW UP OR FAILS TO RECEIVE THAT LETTER, THAT RULING LETTER, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY MAY BE DOING SOME THINGS NEFARIOUS, THINGS THAT ARE PREVENTING THE CHIEF FROM ISSUING A RULING LETTER OR ANY LETTER LIKE THE, AND THAT WOULD ONLY COME INTO PLAY DURING THE 75 DAY OR 60 DAY, OR AT LEAST 60 DAY INTERNAL AFFAIRS OR TIME PERIOD FOR INVESTIGATION.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE CASE HERE.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S MISSING ON HERE IS A SIGNATURE STATING WHEN THIS LETTER WAS RECEIVED.
SO WE HAVE NO PROOF TO SHOW THAT IT WAS RECEIVED ON THE 1229.
HOWEVER, THAT STIPULATES 1229 THAT'S WHEN IT WAS RECEIVED.
UM, CHIEF BRADY SIGNED IT AND IT WAS GIVEN BACK, OKAY, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT? NO, I WAS NOT GIVEN A COPY.
I REQUESTED A COPY, BUT I WAS NOT GIVEN IS IT GOT DELIVERED? I WAS IN A HYPERBARIC CHAMBER, BUT I COULDN'T GO.
AND CHIEF BRADY CALLED AND MY WIFE WENT AND MATCHED HIM AT THE LIBRARY AT THE LIBRARY IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THE LETTER.
AND THAT WAS ON THE 29TH, 29TH.
AND HE ACTUALLY SAID IF HE NEEDS TO COME BEFORE Y'ALL AND TELL Y'ALL THAT, IS THERE ANY THING DISCREPANCIES WITH Y'ALL AS TO WHAT HAPPENED, CHIEF CAMPBELL TO COME UP AND THIS WAS GOING TODAY.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE FILE.
THE JUDGE, HEY, UM, I FILED, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT.
SO THEY, THE, THE RULE OR THE LAW SAYS THAT YOU MUST DO IS WITHIN 15 DAYS OF THE SUSPENSION OR THE ACT OF THE ACTION OR THE ACT.
DOES IT ALSO LIST EXCEPTIONS THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE IN THIS CASE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'D BE AN EXCEPTION.
I DON'T WANT TO RULE ON ANY OF IT UNTIL CHIEF KIMBLE CAN LOOK AT THE FILE.
I I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON IT, BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THE DIFFERENT, THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT IT GIVES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AN OPPORTUNITY.
MR. GOUDY CHIEF CAMPBELL CAN LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE THAT THE LETTER OF REPRIMAND WON'T STAND, YOU CAN JUST TAKE IT AWAY AND HE'LL BE MOVED.
HE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE THESE DATES THAT YOUR WIFE SIGNS AND AGREE THAT THAT IS A BINDING DATE.
AND IF IT IS THEN YOU FALL WITHIN THE 15 DAY RULE BECAUSE DECEMBER 29, AND I'M NOT DOING THE MATH, BUT DECEMBER 29TH AND SORRY, WHICH IS JANUARY 13TH, I BELIEVE FALLS WITHIN THAT, LIKE RIGHT AT THAT DAY, POSSIBLY WITHOUT DOING THE MATH.
UM, MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE YOU QUALIFY WHERE YOU HAS A, YOU HAVE A SIGNED LEGAL DOCUMENTS SAYING YOU WERE AS POWER OF ATTORNEY AT THE TIME, BUT HE WAS IN THE PIPETTE, VIOLET HYPERBOLIC CHAMBER, HYPERBARIC, HYPERBARIC.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THIS LETTER.
IT NEEDED TO GO TO THE EMPLOYEE.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS SO TECHNICALLY THE LETTER HASN'T EVEN BEEN GIVEN TO THE EMPLOYEE YET,
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THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT CAN FALL INTO PLAY.BECAUSE PETE BRADY SAID HE HAD TO GIVE IT TO ME BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY WENT TO OUR HOUSE.
HE CALLED ME, I SAID, I WAS IN, UM, ZACHARY FOR HIS APPOINTMENT AND HE SAID, WELL, I NEED TO GET THIS FOR YOU BECAUSE I GOT FIVE OTHER ONES I GOT TO GO DELIVER THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING ON IT, CHIEF.
UH, MAJOR'S BEST, RIGHT? OH, ONCE AGAIN, HE DIDN'T GIVE IT TO THE EMPLOYEE.
THE EMPLOYEE WASN'T NOTIFIED THE EMPLOYEE'S WIFE.
IT DOESN'T SUFFICE IT IN MY OPINION.
NOW THIS CAN ALL BE FIXED LATER.
AND I'M GOING TO LET YOU GUYS HASH THAT OUT LATER IF MY EMOTION IT'S GRANTED TODAY.
AND ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO SAY IS THE WAY I WROTE IT UP WAS THE LEGITIMACY OF THE WRITEUP BECAUSE, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BASICALLY.
AND IT'S, IT SEEMS ALL RIGHT WITH ME.
UH, BUT THE LEGITIMACY OF THE WRITEUP IS ON HOW THE HALLOW WAS WRITTEN UP ON THE BASIS OF HOW IT WAS WRITTEN UP, HOW THE, THE, THE GUY THAT IS IN TRAINING THAT RICK WROTE ME UP.
HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE IN TRAINING.
OKAY, BRO, MR. GOWDY, YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE REASONS FOR YOUR APPEAL.
THE THING THAT, WE'RE WHY I'M GOING TO DEFER IT TODAY IS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LEGITIMIZE YOUR EAL SPECIFICALLY, WHETHER OR NOT YOU FELL WITHIN THAT 15 DAY, WHETHER WE CAN EVEN HEAR IT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT SURE I GOT YOU.
SO THEN YOU'LL BE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS.
IT WAS THE 15TH DAY, RIGHT WHEN I TURNED IT IN.
UH, SO WHEN THEY WROTE YOU UP IT'S, IT'S DATED OCTOBER 10TH OR WHATEVER, WHERE YOU NOTIFIED THEM, THAT YOU WERE GETTING WROTE UP.
WHERE'D YOU OFF? WHERE WERE YOU? ALL THE WHOLE THING.
THE DATE OF THAT LETTER, HE WAS OUT SICK AND SHE HAD SURGERY AND HAS NOT BEEN BACK SINCE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF WE, IT, IT, IF IT HAD IT JUST NOW THAT TO YOU, YEAH.
IT WAS DELIVERED TO YOU, RIGHT? OH, IT STILL HADN'T BEEN KNOWN.
CAUSE IT AIN'T BEEN DELIVERED TO HIM PERSONALLY.
WELL, OH, IF YOU HAVEN'T EVER WENT TO THE CHIEF'S OFFICE AND BEEN NOTIFIED THAT YOU WERE WROTE UP, OH, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THE VERBAL NOTIFICATION SUFFICE TO INITIATE AN APPEAL HEARING.
AND IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T NOTICE BECAUSE YOU NEED TO APPEAL A RULING, A LETTER THAT YOU CAN SUBMIT TO THE BOARD.
SO YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO GET THE ACTUAL PAPER COPY OF ANYTHING, ANY PUNISHMENT YOU RECEIVE, THERE HAS TO BE A RULING LETTER THAT ACCOMPANIES THAT.
UM, AND YOU HAD TO WAIT FOR THIS LETTER IN ORDER TO SUBMIT AN APPEAL TO THE BOARD.
AND YOU GOT, YOU RECEIVED THAT.
YOU'RE CLAIMING YOU RECEIVED THAT ON, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU DIDN'T, I'M JUST SAYING, NO, YOU STILL HAVE NEVER RECEIVED IT, BUT IT WAS RECEIVED POSSIBLY ON 29 PLUS 29 OF 2000.
UH, BECAUSE THE BOARD ACTUALLY HAVE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
WE END UP THE WEATHER ROOM SAYS WITHIN 15 DAYS, BUT DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE THAT WE'RE NOT WAIVING IT? WHEREAS WHAT I'M SAYING, WE HAVE TO ROBINSON, WE WERE LOOKING FOR PROOF THAT THEY RECEIVED IT ON THE 29TH, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE.
IF WE, IF THEY DO HAVE THE PROOF THEY DID, THEN WE CAN ACCEPT THE REQUEST FOR, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING ME.
CAN WE ACTUALLY DO THAT? UM, I GUESS I NEED TO SEE ALL THE OTHER RULES OF STAGE IT.
AND SHE, AND SHE'S BRADY, UH, AS TEXTED ME AND HE ACTUALLY TEXTED ME, UH, LAST NIGHT.
UH, THEN I FINALLY DID IT TO HIM TO COME UP OR IF I NEEDED TO APPEAL HIM, HOW WE'LL WORK, THAT HE WOULD COME UP AND TELL YOU THE SAME THING WE'RE TELLING YOU.
UH, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK TODAY WAS GOING TO BE, I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST A SET OF DATE OR THE APPEAL.
AND NOW I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SET A DATE TODAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LET YOU Y'ALL WORK THROUGH, UH, Y'ALL'S ISSUES TO MAKE SURE THE 15 DAY RULE WASN'T BY
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ACTUALLY IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS RECEIVE NOTIFICATION YOURSELF OF THE LETTER.AND THEN FROM THERE YOU ARE ABLE TO, UH, ASK FOR APPEAL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, FROM WHAT WE GATHER, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN NOTIFIED, EVEN THOUGH YOUR WIFE RECEIVED IT, YOU STILL HAVE IT EVEN GETTING WROTE UP.
SO I NEED TO GO TO INSISTING CHANGE FOR THE CHIEF'S OFFICE.
AND YET THE LETTER TO ME, VISCERALLY AND WHATEVER MR. GADDY, YOU DON'T, SIR.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
I THINK THE CHIEF'S OFFICE NEEDS TO ACHIEVE, SO YES.
I'LL START, THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT.
YOU AIN'T EVEN BEEN WROTE UP UNTIL THEY MAKE IT OFFICIAL AND THEN NOTIFIED YOU HADN'T BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS.
RIGHT? SO YOU'LL SUBMIT THIS ONE MORE TIME OR YOU'LL SUBMIT THIS ONE MORE TIME IN THE EXACT WAY, BUT YOU'LL ALSO ACCOMPANY IT WITH THE LETTER THAT THEY GIVE YOU THAT WILL, THAT WILL HAVE THE DATE ON IT EITHER WHEN YOU SIGNED IT, WHEN YOU RECEIVED NOTIFICATION, IT NEEDS TO HAVE THAT ON THIS LETTER, ON OCTOBER 5TH LETTER, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE TO MAKE IT EASIEST, THEY COULD JUST CHANGE THIS OCTOBER 5TH UP HERE TO TODAY TOMORROW'S DATE AND THAT WOULD SUFFICE.
AND THEN YOU GOT 15 DAYS TO SUBMIT THIS EXACT SAME ONE TO MISS PENNY.
AND THEN WE'RE GOOD TO GO THEN.
I WOULD ASSUME WE WILL SCHEDULE A HEARING DATE FOR YOU.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BOARD MEMBERS? NOPE.
ROBINSON? I LIKE YOUR INPUT ON THIS OR DO I JUST DEFER, DEFER, DEFER IT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER ITEM NUMBER FOUR G, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR APPEAL BY MR. GOUDY.
SECOND TO THE NEXT MEETING, UH, THAT THE BOARD HAS SECONDED BY DR.
ROBINSON ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION CARRIES.
SEE, WHERE AM I AT ON THIS? IF YOU'D LIKE TO IDENTIFY THE DATE THAT YOU DEFERRING IT TO YOU PLEASE.
WHEN IS THE, UH, NEXT HEARING DATE? I HAVE MY CALENDAR FEBRUARY TO 28TH, BUT DOUBLE CHECK, FEBRUARY 20TH, 2013, 28, 28.
DEFERRING IT TO THE MEETING BEING HELD ON FEBRUARY 28.
BEFORE I LEAVE, WELL, LET'S GET INTO THESE LAST TWO AND THEN WE'LL GO OVER THE THREE THAT I SKIP OR MOVE.
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APPEAL HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY FOR BRANDON BLESSED.IT WAS A TWO DAY SUSPENSION AND A FIVE DAY SUSPENSION.
THE PARTIES HAVE MADE AN AGREEMENT IN THAT CASE.
SO WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM MR. KERSHAW, WHO IS MR. BLUSS ATTORNEY REQUESTING THAT WE CANCEL THE APPEAL.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? WE DO NOT HAVE A COPY OF THAT CONSENT AGREEMENT AS SOON AS WE DO, WE WILL, UH, PROVIDE IT TO THE BOARD OR THE PUBLIC THAT ANYONE NEEDED TO SEE IT.
DO WE NEED TO TAKE FORMAL ACTION TO DO THAT? YES, I BELIEVE SO.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO AS FAR AS, UH, CANCELING HIS APPEAL HEARING.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CANCELED THE HEARING FROM BRIAN AND BLESSED AT THE REQUEST OF THE PARTIES.
I SECOND THAT MOTION ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AND I'M GOING TO LET JOHN EXPLAIN OR MR. EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU.
UH, THIS IS JUST CALLING FOR A FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR TEST.
IT'S USUALLY GIVEN AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CAPTAIN'S TEST.
UH, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT IT WOULD EXPIRE AT THE SAME TIME THE CAPTAIN'S TEST OR WOULD EXPIRE.
SO WE WOULD CALL THEM FOR THE CAPTAIN.
IT'S JUST THE 18 MONTH, EVERY 18 MONTHS OR SO WE MOTION TEST AND WE JUST, I JUST MISSED IT, PUTTING
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IT ON THE AGENDA AND THAT'S IT, THIS AND THE QUESTIONS BOARD MEMBERS.I MOVE, WE ADDED TO THE, UH, CAT CALLING FOR THE CABINS TEST AND, UH, WAIT CALL FOR THE FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATORS CALL ADDED TO THE LIST OF BEST.
THAT MOTION ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
LET'S GO WITH, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IS ON YOUR GUYS.
UH, DISCUSS THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS AS IT PERTAINS TO HIRING OF A BOARD ATTORNEY.
I'M GOING TO LET MR. WILLIAMS DISCUSS GAP SINCE THAT WAS HIS, UH, WELL PLEASE, CAN WE MERGE THAT IN WITH BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE OPEN MEETING LAW AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE AT THIS POINT AS WELL.
NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DISCUSS ON THAT ONE.
AND AGAIN, THE ONE THAT WE SENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC IS DIFFERENT.
I APOLOGIZE, MR. WILLIAMS, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE THINGS HERE TO DISCUSS.
THIS ONE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT AREA.
WELL, UH, AS WE GET EARLIER, WE WERE SENDING THE, UM, MOTION, UH, PREVIOUSLY AND BASICALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TALKING ABOUT KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
UM, WE HAVE ALL FIVE RESUMES AGAIN BECAUSE, UM, AS WELL, I WAS MADE AWARE OF THAT.
UH, WE THROUGH EMAIL ASKED THAT WE NARROW THE FIVE DOWN TO THREE AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ANOTHER, UH, VIOLATION TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ACTUALLY EXAMPLE OF POLLING AND, UM, THAT'S, WE CANNOT DO THAT IN AN OPEN MEETING.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE FIVE CANDIDATES THAT WE BEGAN WITH AND THISBE I PULLED THE CANDIDATES THAT WE WORK FROM.
AND, UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS CONTACT THEM INDIVIDUALLY WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO BASICALLY INTERVIEW THEM THEMSELVES.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD DO RIGHT IN THERE IN A PUBLIC STEADY.
WELL, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT MORE DIFFICULT.
UM, WE GET PROBABLY FIVE PEOPLE HERE AT ONE TIME AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE HEARING WAS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, CANCELED, BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK, OH, HI.
I, WASN'T WANTING TO INTERVIEW A CANDIDATE FOR EXAMPLE, AND NOT KNOW WHO I ANSWERED.
HE OR SHE MAY HAVE HAD FOR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONS AND ALL THE WAY I'M GOING TO KNOW THAT IS I HAVE TO BE IN THE ME IN THE HAND AT ALL OF THEM.
SO YOU'D LIKE TO INTERVIEW EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, WE SHOULD DO THAT AS COMMITTED THE WHOLE.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY AN OPTION.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST.
WELL, WHAT'D YOU LIKE YOU GUYS LIKE TO, UH, SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO TO GIVE, UH, GIVE THE INTERVIEWEES A CHANCE TO MAKE IT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE INTERVIEWED.
WHAT CAN WE SET A DATE FOR A SPECIALTY I'M RETIRED.
IF YOU TELL ME YOU MAY DO MORE NOW THAN YOU DID.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO TELL ME WHEN I GOT TO DO IT.
I HAVE A CAMERA IN FRONT OF ME WHENEVER EVERYONE DOES.
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING IS CONVENIENT TIME, BRANDON.
SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE THIS UP TO YOU GUYS TO DISCUSS, I CAN MAKE IT WORK, WHATEVER, PROBABLY JUST ABOUT OUT OF JANUARY.
SO I WOULD HAVE TO BE FEBRUARY.
AND WHERE WOULD YOU LOCATE? YEAH, LOCATION'S GOING TO BE A KEY TO ANY OF THAT.
I THINK MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU DON'T SCHEDULE IT TODAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET WITH THE COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THESE CHAMBERS.
AND IF WE DON'T, WE'LL HAVE TO FIND A VENUE FOR IT WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN BE INCLUDED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I WOULD PREFER ODDLY I'D LIKE IT TO BE JANUARY.
IF WE GOT FOR OUR SPECIAL MEETING.
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I'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT.IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR TODAY ABOUT IT AND SCHEDULE IT.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT COMPLETELY.
I GUESS I'M JUST THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO COME, CORRECT? MAYBE AT LEAST A WEEK TO GET A, PUT IT ON THEIR CALENDAR.
SO DO WE, WHICH SHOULDN'T HAVE SENT ANY OFF.
WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO SEE THE COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR TODAY.
DOES ANYBODY NEED A BATHROOM BREAK OR ANYTHING AND DO A RECESS WHILE WE'RE WAITING? WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? OKAY.
WHERE'D SHE GO? FIND THE COUNSELOR, THE STRAIGHTER.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO ALL FIVE, I MEAN AN HOUR PER PERSON.
AN HOUR PER PERSON, THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, YOU WANT A LOT THAT MUCH BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE, YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, AND WE DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT ALL YOU FIVE, EIGHT TO 12, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THESE ARE VIDEOED MEETINGS, BUT YOU'RE MIGHT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE ALL THE TIME.
IF YOU KNOW, IT WAS SORT OF A BLOND, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER BEEN ON THE SCHOOL THOUGH, MAN.
WE USED TO ROUTINELY MEET FOR 10 HOURS, YOU KNOW? AND IT MIGHT BE, BUT, BUT UH, YEAH, NO, BUT YOU DON'T, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT, JOHN YOU WANT TO WAIT ON THAT DATE? I LIKE TO WAIT FOR A DAY.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A NOTATION ON THOSE THE MINUTE THAT YOU ARE, AND YOU MAY BE IN VIOLATION OF WE'RE GOING TO BE FALL BACK.
WHEN I GO BACK, LISTEN TO ANYTHING.
WE'VE GOT WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, THE SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH.
WE'LL JUST SCHEDULE Y'ALL FOR THE WHOLE DAY.
SO NOT LET'S GIVE THE PEOPLE THE OPTION.
THEY MAY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MAY BE COME ON THE SECOND.
I MEAN NOT, NO, WE WON'T LEAVE, BUT WE NEED MULTIPLE DAYS TO ASK PEOPLE IF THEY CAN COME RIGHT NOW.
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AND IF YOU CAN'T GET THEM TO AGREE, THEN SET A TIME AND LET THEM DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO COME.UH, THAT'D BE THE THIRD AND FOURTH, CORRECT? THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH.
UH, WHAT I'D LIKE FOR US TO DO IS TO, UM, INTERVIEW ALL FIVE OF THE APPLICANTS AND THEN COME UP WITH A FINAL PARCEL.
YOU WANT THE BOARD TO VOTE ON? UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AN OPTION.
WE CAN GET CONSENSUS, CORRECT? UNLESS YOU GET WHAT SIR, THAT ARE GOING TO BE FIGHTING THAT INDIVIDUAL ON THIS SPECIAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO WALK AWAY ON THURSDAY WITH A PERSON, BUT YOU HAVE THIS UP IN THURSDAY AND FRIDAY WHERE THERE'S THE TECHNICALLY WE, MR. SMITH SAID HE PREFERRED TO.
I MEAN FOR THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 3RD, EXCUSE ME, JANUARY, FEBRUARY.
WE JUST RESERVE BOTH DAYS JUST IN CASE I JUST HEARD THE WORD THURSDAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE WILL WALK AWAY WITH THE, AND THEN WE TURNED HIM OVER TO THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHERE THEY'LL GET THEM THROUGH THEIR PAPERWORK AND YOU GET THEIR CONTRACT.
YES, THEY, UH, WELL INDIVIDUALLY, UM, NO, RIGHT NOW IT SITS AT 14 FOR A YEAR.
RIGHT? WHERE DID THAT? THAT WAS AN INCREASE SAID WHEN I BELIEVE WHEN MR. CUSUMANO AND THEN WE TOOK HOME MR. FLOYD FALCON.
IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT, I THINK IT'S 49.
FIVE IS WHAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR BUDGET, BUT I THINK OUR BUDGET WAS LIKE 15,000 OR SOMETHING FOR THEM.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAW FROM, UH, I THINK I ASKED THE PARISH ATTORNEY, WHAT, OH, LET ME SEE SALARIES THAT VALERIE STEP BY THE KIND OF FUNDING FOR COUNSELING, IT WAS SOMETHING.
IF YOU HAD 10 YEARS OR MORE EXPERIENCE IS ENTITLED TO $200 AN HOUR WITH A CAP AT 49,029,000.
BY ME FOLEY, ANYTHING OVER 50,000 UNDER 40, THAT INSTEAD OF A CONTRACT WOULD BE HIS BURDEN NOT TO EXCEED 29 9, NOT TO EXCEED $50,000.
AND DON'T DO ANYTHING OVER THAT.
UM, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE NEGOTIATED ONLY REASON MY DATA FOR OTHER AREAS.
SO THE SALARY THAT WHOEVER THE NEW ATTORNEY GETS IS GOING TO BE THE SAME, THAT BOY IS GOING TO GET BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOME IDEA AS TO WHAT THAT IS SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST ASK, ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT A SALARY?
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THEY SAY, NO.THEN WE WASTE DOWN THE INFORMATION I CAN GIVE HIM IS WHAT'S BEEN PAID IN THE PAST.
THEN I THINK IT WAS $1,200 A MONTH, BOY.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BUT I WILL ALSO GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH THE PARISH NEGOTIATING WITH THE FISH.
AND I HOPE THEY AGREED BECAUSE NOW WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
I KNOW, I KNOW I'LL OPEN IT BACK UP.
NORMALLY I WOULD ALREADY OUT, BUT ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC, UM, I WAS HERE FOR SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WHEN MR. FALCON WAS INDICATING HIS DISSATISFACTION WITH THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT.
AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THAT TIME YOU HAD TWO ISSUES, ONE WAS TO RE-ESTABLISH A FAIR AND PROPER CONTRACT OR YOUR BOARD OR YOUR COMMISSION ATTORNEY.
AND THE OTHER WAS TO CHOOSE THE PERSON OPEN UP TO NEW PEOPLE AND TO CHOOSE A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.
SO I HOPE THAT IN THIS INTERIM WEEK, SOME CLARIFICATION COULD COME FROM THE PARISH ATTORNEY OR FROM WHOMEVER THAT WOULD LET YOU BE REAL STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE COMING BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE, UM, I WAS HERE TILL ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WITH YOU THAT TIME AS WELL.
AND I KNOW SOME OF THESE MEETINGS HAVE GONE ON MUCH LONGER THAN WAS TYPICAL IN THE PAST.
AND THAT WOULD INDICATE SOME REAL SPECIFIC ALTERATIONS TO THE CONTRACT OR THIS ATTORNEY.
I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.
YEAH, THE QUESTION WAS THAT APPROVED THE, UH, $200 AN HOUR THAT, THAT, SO WE CAN GO FROM THERE AND GIVE THEM THAT INSIGHT TYPICALLY HAS BEEN THE, THE $200 AN HOUR FOR ATTORNEY WHO HAS MORE THAN 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
SO THAT IN EXCESS OF THAT $1,200 A MONTH, THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR INSTANCE, JUST THAT ONE DAY IT EXCEEDED 12 HOURS.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD'VE BEEN AT $2,400 OR WHATEVER.
SO I CAN'T GIVE THEM THAT INFORMATION.
WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY PAID PLUS WHAT HAS BEEN AGREED TO SO FAR BELOW THE APPROVAL BY THE, I JUST THINK THAT THE MAKE YOUR TECH FIRST, LIKE WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT DO THEY WANT AND GET IT, OR THEY SAY THAT THEY ON-TRACK DENIED THAT OUT OF FIVE AT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S, AND IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU SHOULD GET THERAPY, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ART OF THIS IS A NEW ATTORNEY.
THAT'S THREE YEARS OUT OF LAW.
BUT THE PREREQUISITE FOR THIS WAS TO HAVE MORE THAN 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
ON THAT ONE, YOU MEAN THE NUMBERS THAT ARE PUBLISHED BY THE AGS OFF THOSE WITH NO ONE TO ASK, I DON'T WANT TO, WELL, ANYTHING, ANY ATTORNEY THAT HAS 10 YEARS PLUS IS THE ABLE TO ASK OR THE MATH, YOU CAN PAY THEM 120 NOW I'M MR. BOSS.
AND THE PAIRS ATTORNEY BELIEVES THAT THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO OUR ATTORNEY.
AND I WISH I HADN'T RUN A IT UP TYPICALLY WAS AN OPINION OR MUNIS FILE.
CAN I GET A COPY OF THAT? I'LL UH, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING THERE, BUY EVERYTHING FOR WORK.
YOU'RE DOING ALL FOR A SPECIAL MEETING, ALREADY, PUBLIC MEETING, YOU INTERVIEW WITH BERNIE AND EVEN THAT EATING, HAVING WHAT WOULD BE AT ALL IN HIS ROOM AND THEN THAT EARNING OR YES, IT WILL BE.
WE'RE GETTING AWAY WITH THE HEIGHT.
YOU GOT TO LEAVE ONE OTHER ITEM.
UH, JUST GUS INFORMATION RECEIVED FROM THE
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BOY WORK WE'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON.WELL, ALL OF THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOUCHED, BUT I WANT YOU TO MAKE WHERE TO GET IT BOTH ABOUT VIOLATION OF ALL RIGHT.
AND I'LL BE ALL THAT IT WAS TAKING THE EMAIL BASICALLY REPUBLIC, RIGHT? WE TOOK A BOWL TO NARROW DOWN APPLE, FIVE OUT, ALL ONLINE ON INTERNET, THE BOARD MEMBER NARROWING THEIR DOWN IN ORDER TO RECOGNIZE.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A OF IN ORDER TO RECTIFY THAT IN A WAY THAT I CAN COME UP WITH NULLIFY, THAT BOAT IS ABOUT, OH, IT NEVER HAD INTERVIEWED ALL FIVE, EXCEPT THERE WAS NO VOTE.
IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T, BUT IT CAN BE STEAMED EMAILS, EDIT ALLIE.
THEREFORE THERE WAS, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT, CAUSE IT WAS BECAUSE THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE PERSON TURNS OFF THERE'S EARNINGS.
AS THE PATIENT BACK TO THE IS ALREADY RESOLVED AND NOTHING TO INVESTIGATE, WE WERE INTENDING TO CIRCUMVENT.
I'LL BE OR HIDING, BUT IT WILL BE THAT WE WON.
NOW YOU GOT 2 BILLION PINS ON BOWLING.
YOU AWARE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN INVESTIGATION TO BE DONE ONSITE.
I THINK EVERYONE AWARE, BUT ALL IN THAT EVENT, FAIR.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE SOMETHING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HIT THE VIEW, ALL FIVE CANDIDATES.
WE DID THIS, BUT SINCE THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A VOTE, WHY DON'T WE TAKE AN ACTUAL VOTE NOW TO DO THAT? WHICH NULLIFIES THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T DO IT VIA EMAIL, AS FAR AS BEING ON YOUR AGENDA, CAN WE GO BACK AND WE CLOSE UP OR EAT FOR NOW AND THEN MOVE BACK IN BRA.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AS FAR AS OPEN MEETINGS? WE'RE ON MOVING BACK.
HUH? THAT'S THE RECRUITING OFFICE.
AS I MOVE THAT, I MOVED THAT WE INTERVIEW ALL FIVE CANDIDATES THAT APPLIED FOR THE POSITION AT THE SPECIAL MEETING THAT WILL BE DETERMINED, UH, IN FEBRUARY.
I MAKE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING ON ANY THOSE LAST ITEM ON THE NAMES AS WE HAVE THEM NOW.
YOU CAN READ THEM ONTO THE RECORD.
IT'LL ALSO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT.
WE'LL MAKE YOU WANT TO LOOK AT FIVE NAMES.
WE HAVE ONE JOSH, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY.
THIRD IS YOU'VE BEEN JANE MOORE.
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HE'S OUT OF BATON ROUGE FOR IS RONICA VICKY JONES.HE'S OUT OF FURRY BUILDING MUSEUM, NUMBER FIVE WITH J I E JR.
I GUESS I'M GOING TO QUESTION ITEM NUMBER.
WHERE ARE WE AT? WHERE ARE WE AT ALL? OR I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LEFT.
I'M GOING TO JUST DO ADD WORKDAY ALL ON YOUR, ON THIS ONE.
UH, ONE OF YOU SHOULD GET YOURS.
THAT'S ALL FOR ELECTION EARLY IN THE MORNING IS IN VIOLATION BASED UPON RECEIPT FROM THE OFFICE.
MA'AM UM, STARTED BASICALLY, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ELECTION SINCE AUGUST 15TH, 2019.
AND, UM, IT IS THE APPENDANT OPINION OF THE OFFICER OF THE STATE EXAMINED HIS BOARD, THAT THE TERM OF THE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR RUNS CONCURRENT WITH THEIR APPOINTMENT.
SO IF YOU WERE APPOINTED, IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN THE TIME THAT YOU WERE REAPPOINTED, YOU MUST BE REELECTED.
SO, UH, WE'VE HAD BOTH VICE CHAIR AND CHAIR BE REAPPOINTED WITHOUT AN ANOTHER ELECTION.
SO BASICALLY WE WERE, WE'VE BEEN SINCE JANUARY, I MEAN, JULY OF 2020, UH, WE SHOULD'VE HAD AN ELECTION.
THE LAST ELECTION WE HAD WAS AUGUST 19TH, 2019 BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ELECTION RIGHT NOW.
THEN THAT WAS WHENEVER YOU WERE REAPPOINTED.
I WAS REAPPOINTED JULY 20, 20, 20, 20, 20.
SO THE ELECTION PREDATES THE REAPPOINTMENT.
MS. PENNY LOOKED AND SHE ONLY, THE ONLY ELECTION WE HAVE IS THE 20.
THE REASON WE DIDN'T HAVE IT WAS BECAUSE I REVIEWED THE, ALL I DIDN'T READ THE PERFECT, WELL, I HAVEN'T BEEN, YEAH.
I HAVE THE OPINION FROM THE UPENN.
IT SAYS BASICALLY THE TERM, THE TERM FOR WHICH EITHER THE CHAIRMAN OR VICE CHAIRMAN SHALL SERVE AS SUCH, SHALL RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH THAT, FOR WHICH HE WAS APPOINTED AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
THAT'S WHAT THEY KIND OF LIKE.
SO AGAIN, BASICALLY REAPPOINTMENT HURTING.
EVERY TIME WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WAS REAPPOINTED THAT IS EITHER A CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR, WE SHOULD THEN HAVE THE ELECTION FOR THAT, THAT PERSON.
SO YOUR TERM IS YOU'RE YOU'RE THE ELECTION OR YOU'RE YOU'RE THE CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR RUN CONCURRENT WITH THEIR TIME.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE HAD ELECTION IN JULY OF 2020.
IF I MAKE A PUBLIC REFERENCE, THIS IS REVISED STATUTE, 24 76.
I WAS GOING TO GET INTO THE SECTION, A SECTION J AND SECTION.
NO, IT SHOULD ONLY BE SECTION K THAT THAT PERTAINS TO THIS BOARD.
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ARE FOR BOARDS THAT ARE JUST STARTING UP.LET ME READ TO YOU BOARD MEMBERS, THE LAW, AND THEN I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU THE INTERPRETATION OF THAT LAW.
AS FAR AS THE, UH, STATE EXAMINERS IS CONCERNED, THE LAW READS, AND AGAIN, MS. PENNY SAID IT WAS TITLE 33, SUBSECTION 24, 76, SUBSECTION K STATES, A CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN SHALL BE ELECTED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE TERM FOR WHICH EITHER THE CHAIR OR THE VICE CHAIRMAN SHALL SERVE AS SUCH, SHALL RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH THAT, FOR WHICH HE IS APPOINTED A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, EXCEPT HERE'S THE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT, EXCEPT THE TERM OF EITHER OFFICE SHELF TERMINATE UPON THESE OTHER WAYS THAT THE OFFICE CAN TERMINATE.
EXCEPT THE TERM OF EITHER OFFICE SHALL TERMINATE UPON DEATH OF THE INCUMBENT OR HIS RESIGNATION FROM THE OFFICE OR THE BOARD OR HIS REMOVAL FROM THE BOARD.
THAT'S WHAT LOUISIANA REVISED STATUTE STATES.
NOW THE INTERPRETATION OF THAT AS FAR AS THE STATE EXAMINER AT OFFICE IS THE BOARD CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN.
OUR ELECTED BOARD TERMS, CONCURRENT WITH THEIR APPOINTMENTS SHOULD EITHER RESIGN FROM THE BOARD.
A NEW ELECTION FOR THAT PARTICULAR OFFICE WOULD BE HELD EVEN IF A CHAIRMAN OR VICE CHAIRMAN COMPLETES HIS OR HER TERM AND IS REAPPOINTED, A NEW ELECTION MUST BE HELD WHEN THE NEW TERM BEGINS.
SO I DIDN'T READ BACK IN 2020, THE QUICKSTART MANUAL.
I, I GO TO THE LAW AND THEN I TRY TO FIGURE, I TRY TO INTERPRET IT MYSELF.
SO MY INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW CONCURRENT, AND THE ONLY TIMES, IT DOESN'T STATE ANYTHING ABOUT REELECTION.
IT DOESN'T STATE ANYTHING ABOUT REAPPOINTMENT IN THE LAW.
THE LAW STATES, THE ONLY WAYS THAT YOU'RE TAKEN OUT OF THE POSITION OF VICE OR OF CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR IS IF YOU DIE, IF YOU RESIGNED FROM THE POSITION ON THE BOARD OR THE POSITION IN, OFF AT THE CHAIR OR VICE-CHAIR POSITION, OR IF YOU'RE REMOVED FROM THE BOARD, THAT'S HOW I READ IT.
IT WASN'T IF I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE ADDED IN THERE.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO IT, BUT I THINK IT'S ON THE BOARD TO DECIDE THAT AS FAR AS DOING AN ELECTION, EVERY TIME AN INDIVIDUAL'S REAPPOINTED, IT ADDS FRESH BLOOD.
IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S, UH, ISSUES WITH THE BOARD, THE BOARD MEMBERS, AREN'T HAPPY WITH THEIR CHAIRMAN, IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY OR VICE CHAIR.
IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO REELECT SOMEBODY.
I LIKED THE IDEA OF DOING IT EVERY THREE YEARS OR YEAH, EVERY THREE YEARS.
HOWEVER, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS CASE THAT WE'RE IN VIOLATION OF ANYTHING.
I THINK THE LAW STANDS BEHIND US.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE OPENING OURSELVES UP OR TO ANY, UH, NEGATIVE RECOURSE BY ANYONE.
MY SIGNATURE ON DOCUMENTS, I BELIEVE STILL STANDS FROM AUGUST OR JULY OF 2020 TILL NOW.
I BELIEVE THAT MY SIGNATURE IS STILL STANDS.
NOW, THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO REQUEST THAT THE BOARD DO AN ELECTION TODAY.
AND I DON'T THINK THE BOARD SHOULD DO AN ELECTION TODAY.
HOWEVER, I AM GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THE BOARD DOESN'T ELECTION AT THE NEXT MEETING, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS SOLELY BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THE ELECTION ITSELF, BUT I, I PLACED IT TO DISCUSS THE ELECTION BECAUSE IF NEED BE, WE NEED TO HAVE AN ELECTION BASED UPON MY CONVERSATION WITH HER, WE ARE IN VIOLATION AND WE SHOULD HAVE HAD ELECTION AS OF JANUARY.
I MEAN, JULY OF 20, 20, YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IT TODAY OR WE SHOULD DO IT ON THE NEXT MEETING.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT TODAY.
IT'S LIKE, IT'D BE ON THE AGENDA.
I MEAN, I'M GOING TO LOOK AGAIN, LOOK, I'VE GOT ONE LAST THING I HAVE TO DO ON THIS FOR TODAY BEFORE WE ADJOURN.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO FIX ALL THAT.
MY SUGGESTION, THAT YOU DON'T DO IT TODAY.
MY SUGGESTION IS IS THAT YOU WAIT, BUT THE VOTE OVER YOUR BASIS, DON'T OPEN ANY DOORS, BUT IT ON THERE AND DO THE ELECTION NEXT.
SO LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE DIFFERENCE BE IF WE TAKE CARE OF IT TODAY, WHETHER THE NEXT ON THE AGENDA WHERE COVERING YOUR WHERE'S IT AT? WELL, IT'S ON THE ORIGINAL, THE WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA IS A DISCUSSION, NOT IN A LECTURE, BUT THAT WASN'T THE WAY I POSTED IT.
WHEN I ASKED HIM TO PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA, IT WASN'T WASTE AS A DISCUSSION.
SO IF IT WAS REWORDED, I HAVE AN EMAIL WHERE I REQUESTED
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TO POST IT ON THE AGENDA AS ELECTION.BUT IF IT WAS CHANGED, THEN SO BE IT.
BECAUSE THE ONE I DID NOT BRING MY STUFF WITH ME, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THAT EMAIL? OKAY.
WHAT, WHERE'S THE ORIGINAL, WHERE'S THE BOY, BOY, YOU WANT THE ONE THAT WAS SENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC? IF THAT EMAIL WAS TO ME, YOU AND I NEVER DISCUSSED IN ELECTION.
HERE'S THE ONE THAT WAS SENT TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU GUYS HAVE THE REVISED ONE FLIP OVER AND LOOK FOR WHATEVER, IF NOT THE SAME AS YOURS.
THAT'S WHY THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, BECAUSE I MADE A MISTAKE.
THERE WAS A REVISED ONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND WE CAN'T USE THE REVISED ONE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET PUBLIC.
THEY'LL SAY WE, IT WAS, I WERE A TEAM MS. PENNY, I HEAR YOU.
IT SAYS TO DISCUSS AN ITEM TO BE PLACED ONTO IT.
IT SAYS TO DISCUSS AN ITEM TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT SHOULDN'T SAY DISCUSS ELECTION.
IT SAYS DISCUSS THE ITEM TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
AND THEN I, UH, REFERENCED THE FACT THAT WE WERE, UH, THE, THE, UH, WHEN WE SPOKE, I ASKED YOU TO CONFIRM THE WORDS THAT I PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
YOU WANT TO HEAR HOW IT WAS ON THE AGENDA? I'LL READ IT TO YOU.
CURRENTLY THE BOARD IS IN VIOLATION BASED UPON AN OPINION, THE OPINION RECEIVED FROM THE OFFICE OF STATE EXAMINER, HOW IT'S WORDED ON THE, IT JUST SAYS DISCUSS, BUT DISCUSS CAME FROM THE TERM OF THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN OUT.
AND THEN I CC YOU ON THE EMAIL THAT I WAS CALLING THE ROSIE TO DISCUSS ITEMS SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
YOU MADE THE DAY TO THAT EMAIL AND I'LL LOOK IT UP.
IT IS JANUARY, 1607 THAT SAYS, HEY, ROB, I WAS TRYING TO REACH OUT TO YOU.
I WAS NOT TAKING CALLS OR TEXT OR EMAIL.
REMEMBER I CALLED YOU BACK THE NEXT MORNING, ABOUT 8 0 3 AND EXPLAINED TO YOU WHAT, OKAY.
SO THIS WAS TO PLACE THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT WAS AFTER MY WORKING HOURS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT MAKES THIS EMAIL NULL AND VOID.
SO ANY CORRESPONDENCE YOU RECEIVED MAKES IT NULL AND VOID IT WASN'T NOLAN.
BOY, SHE PUT IT ON HERE EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS STATED.
AS FAR AS THAT EMAIL IS CONCERNED, YOU SAID TO DISCUSS AND ITEM TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
AND IT'S ON YOUR ITEMS IS TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA AS IT WAS, AS THE ELECTION OR AS WHERE WE WERE.
NOT THAT DOESN'T TRANSLATE INTO, UH, JUST A DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO SEE.
WHAT'D YOU SAY THE WORDING OF THE EMAIL WAS SUCH, CAN YOU READ THAT EMAIL PLEASE? IT SAYS, HEY, ROB, I WAS TRYING TO REACH YOU TO DISCUSS AN ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
IT WAS AN EMAIL TO YOU AND CC TO SEE THAT EMAIL.
WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS HOW IT GOT CONVERTED TO WHEN IT COMES TO THE AGENDA.
THE REASON WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION RIGHT NOW, I'M BEING TOLD, BECAUSE IT SAYS TO DIS IT'S A DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA AND THAT ITEM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.
IT'S AN ITEM YOU'RE DISCUSSING ITEM AND DISCUSS ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
IS IT GOING TO MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE? WE WAIT A MONTH.
IF YOU PUT IT ON THIS AGENDA ON THE SPECIAL MEETING, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO TO THE SPECIAL MEETING.
WHEN I SPEAK TO MY BOARD MEMBERS, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT ITEMS ARE PLACED ON THE AGENDA, FURTHER, HER, THEIR VERBATIM WORDING.
AND I ASKED HIM TO AGREE TO WHAT A RED OFF TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA.
SO PLEASE, MY SUGGESTION IN THE FUTURE.
HOWEVER, AS BOARD MEMBERS, MY SUGGESTION IN THE FUTURE, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS IS OBVIOUS, BUT IT MAY NOT BE BEFORE YOU REQUEST TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, SEND IT THROUGH YOUR CHAIR BECAUSE THE CHAIR HAS TO ITEMIZE THINGS, LOOK FOR TIME MANAGEMENT AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
I WANT TO SUGGEST THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE RIGHT AND SHOULD PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA AS YOU SEE FIT, BUT TALK TO THE CHAIR BECAUSE
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THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY DEALT WITH IT, HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO DEALING WITH IT.OR THEY MAY JUST NOT HAVE TIME AT THAT MEETING AND CAN OFFER SOMETHING BETTER.
THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU, DR.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR TODAY'S MEETING? I WANT TO ASK FOR THE WORDING, PLEASE.
WHILE WE'RE IN A PUBLIC SETTING, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THAT WORDED ON THE SPECIAL AGENDA BOARD ELECTIONS? JUST ELECTIONS.
YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA BOARD THEIR CONDUCT BOARD ELECTIONS FOR CHAIR.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE YOURS IS UP.
WHEN DID YOU GET REAPPOINTED? DR.
SO WE DID ELECTIONS BACK IN 19.
WELL, THE SAME DAY, AUGUST 5TH, 2019.
YOU HAVEN'T BEEN REAPPOINTED SINCE THEN HAVE YOU KNOW.
BUT, UM, MY, MY TERM EXPIRES IN JULY.
WELL GUYS, IF YOU WANT HIM TO DISCUSS IT, DO YOU WANT TO BOLD, UH, VICE CHAIR ELECTIONS AS WELL? THAT'S UP TO YOU.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A BICYCLE.
I THINK HE OUGHT TO PUT BOTH ON THE AGENDA AND IF YOU WANT TO SELECT THE SAME PERSON, FINE.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED, WELL, YOURS IS UP IN THE, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE PLANNING ON CHANGING THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OR WE WOULDN'T, WE CAN ADD THE ELECTRIC RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON YOUR AGENDA, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE AGAIN BY NOT DOING IT PROPERLY PERSONALLY, BUT I'M JUST MAKING A SUGGESTION AND IT MAY NOT MEAN TO CHANGE IT, BUT THE ELECTION WILL HAVE BEEN HELL YES.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I READ MY LETTER TO THE BOARD? WELL, WE HAVE A QUESTION ON, UH, EARLY LIMITS.
WHAT IS THE RULE? IS IT THREE TIMES? NO, THERE'S NO TERM WITH IT.
I HAVE LOOKED EVERYWHERE IN THE LAW TO SEE IF THERE'S A TERM LIMIT AND I HAVE FOUND NONE.
I HAVEN'T FOUND ANY, WHEN YOU GET AN ATTORNEY, I THINK YOU SHOULD TALK TO THEM.
SO WENT BACK TO FIND THAT AGAIN.
I THINK I SAW IT IN THE MEDIA, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS WEIRD.
AND THEN I LOOKED FOR IT WHEN I SAW THAT AND I COULDN'T FIND IT.
WE WERE TALKING AND YOU WERE ABLE TO FIND IT SOMEWHERE THAT IT WAS THREE TIMES.
IT WAS SOMEWHERE THAT YOU FOUND IT.
WELL, DON'T PULL MY BRAIN RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO IT SOMEWHERE.
BUT I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHERE ELSE I CAN LOOK@LA.GOV AND SEE IF WE HAVEN'T, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THAT SUBSECTION THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER.
IT'S THE SAME SECTION AS FAR AS, UH, HOW THE BOARD IS CREATED.
LET ME LOOK AT THAT REVISED STATUTE.
THAT'D BE WANT TO CARRY OUT ANY WEIGHT.
DO WE NEED TO WAIT ON THAT? DO YOU WANT TO KNOW NOW TODAY? OR I WAS JUST INTERESTED IN WHAT IT WAS.
CAUSE WE WERE COMING UP ON EVEN ONLY LIVE FOR NINE YEARS.
WHEN HE STARTED, IT WENT BY QUITE RAPIDLY.
HOW FAST TIME ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING MEETINGS.
WE DON'T DO THAT TOO OFTEN NOW.
OH, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT PENNY CAN GET BACK WITH YOU ON? OR DO YOU WANT US ALL TO WAIT FOR THE ANSWER MS. PENNY, REACH OUT TO MR. WILLIAMS, FIND IT OR, I MEAN, I REALLY THINK Y'ALL GUYS JUST WAIT TILL YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY AND LET THEM ANSWER THE QUESTION.
CAUSE THEY, THEY NEED TO READ ALL THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT IF YOU FIND SOMETHING, DEFINITELY JUST SEND IT OUT.
IT'LL TAKE ME A TIME A LITTLE BIT.
I DON'T THINK WE DO LAST BUT NOT LEAST.
I'VE WRITTEN A LETTER TO THE BOARD DATED JANUARY 24TH, 2020 TO MUNICIPAL FIREARM, PLEASE.
PLEASE ACCEPT THIS LETTER AS MY NOTICE THAT I'M RESIGNING MY POSITION AS THE BATON ROUGE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS BOARD, I'LL CONTINUE TO SERVE IN THIS POSITION UNTIL ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE IS ELECTED BY MY DEPARTMENT.
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I WISH YOU ALL GOOD LUCK AND HOPE THAT YOU DON'T ALLOW YOUR PERSONAL BIASES TO AFFECT YOUR COMMON SENSE DECISIONS.I'M SIGNING IT TODAY, WHICH MEANS I'M NO LONGER THE CHAIR THAT WE DON'T HAVE HERE.
OR YOU HAVE A VICE CHAIR WHO IS NOW THE CHAIR FOR THE NEXT WEEK UNTIL YOU GUYS HAVE THE SPECIAL ELECTION AND THAT YOUR VICE CHAIR WILL CONTINUE.
THE MEETING IS THAT CALL FOR A GERMAN.
I BELIEVE THAT I'M GOING TO STAY AS THE POLICE OFFICER'S REPRESENTATIVE, BUT I'M STEPPING DOWN FROM AIR AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'LL EVEN SEE ME AGAIN.
THAT MEANS I'M IN TROUBLE WHEN I'M UP THERE AGAIN.
UM, DON'T OPEN THOSE OLD WINS MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT, DR.
ROBINSON ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE ADJOURNED.