Feb 28, 2022 Fire Police Municipal Board Meeting

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING OUR NEW MEMBER OR BOARD ATTORNEY, UH, MR. JOSHUA DOR.

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UM, IT WAS TO SAY THE LEAST AND EXPERIENCE AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

BUT, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM.

AND IF MR MAKE ANY COMMENTS, I'LL KEEP IT STORED.

I KNOW THAT'S PRETTY UNUSUAL FOR A LAWYER.

JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK AHEAD AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO TACKLING IT.

I'M JUST GLAD TO BE A PART OF THE TEAM.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE, UH, THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING? OKAY.

AND AT THAT TIME, UM, I THINK WE, UM,

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YOU WANT THE PHYSICAL COPY OR DO YOU HAVE THE ONE FROM YOUR, UH, PACKET? OKAY.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA YET, THERE'S ONE UP HERE AT THE PODIUM.

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO AN AGENDA, IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES, I MOVED THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF OUR BOARD MEETING HELD JANUARY 24TH, 2022.

SECONDED BY MR. SMITH.

UM, ALL IN A SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MINUTES PROOF ADOPTED.

ALRIGHT.

UH, SECONDLY, WE DON'T TO DO THE SAME.

UM, WE DIDN'T DO THE PUBLIC MEDIA.

OH, I'M SORRY.

WE DID NOT.

WAS SUPPOSED TO ASK FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE WERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE NEW BOARD ATTORNEY ON THE AGENDA OR AGENDA APOLOGIZE.

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GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME'S JENNIFER CAR WHILE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED ADDRESS.

SO WE USED TO THE METRO COUNCIL.

YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE ALL YOUR DETAILS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT WORKS.

UH, JENNIFER CARDWELL, 1855 OLD CARRIAGE NIGHT.

UM, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, I KNOW THAT YOU MAY NOT BE HAVING A HEARING TODAY, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HEARING.

ASSUMING IT WOULD BE HAPPENING BEFORE MR. FALCON LEFT.

I KNOW THAT Y'ALL WERE STARTING TO DISCUSS, POSSIBLY PUTTING SOME GUIDELINES IN PLACE SOME HOUR, UH, SOME TIME LIMITS, UM, SO THAT THERE WERE SOME WAYS TO CONSTRAIN MEETINGS FROM GOING TO THE BE HOURS OF THE NIGHT.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT EVER ENDED UP.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A, UH, A LITTLE EXPLANATION OF WHERE Y'ALL WITH THAT.

UM, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, TODAY'S CARING.

UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COMPLAINT IS AGAINST THE CHIEF AND THE PURPOSE IS FOR THIS BODY TO INVESTIGATE THE COMPLAINT.

AND I'M NOT CLEAR ON HOW THIS, I WOULD LIKE SOME EXPLANATION OF HOW THIS BODY GOES ABOUT DURING AN INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TYPICALLY GIRLS PURVIEW.

UM, AND THEN, THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THERE'S A PERSON WHO FEELS, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT GOING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE COMPLAINT, COULD THEY COME HERE AND OFFER A COMPLAINT? IF, IF SOMEONE, WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR CIVIC ACADEMIES COMES AND SAYS, I HAVE A COMPLAINT, BUT I'M SCARED, BUT YOU GO TAKE THE COMPLAINT WITH ME.

COULD I BRING IT HERE AND STUFF AT THE POLICE OFFICE? SO, UH, SO THAT'S MY QUESTION ABOUT COMPLAINTS.

AND THEN MY BIRD OFF QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE POLICE OFFICER BILL OF RIGHTS.

UM, I'M, I'M CURIOUS, DOES THE CHIEF FALL UNDER THE POLICE OFFICE FULL OF RIGHTS? UM, I KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S BEEN VERY CAREFULLY DRILLED IN BY THE UNION THAT WE HAVE TO FILE A POLICE OFFICER BILL OF RIGHTS.

UH, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TIMEFRAMES AND THE POLICE OFFICER BILL OF RIGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER IF THIS IS AN INVESTIGATION.

SO I'M VERY CURIOUS.

UH,

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I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT UH, I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR ANSWERS.

SO THINKING I'LL TAKE THE FIRST ONE AND DEFER TO THE BOARD ATTORNEY ON THE SECOND.

THE FIRST ONE IS WE HAVE NOT YET MADE A DECISION ON, UH, IMPOSING TIME LIMITS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR I'LL BE.

IF WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS, LIKE THE ONES WE HAD, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT THEY WILL BE OKAY.

I'M NOT WORKING PAST 7:00 PM.

THAT'S HOW I'M GONNA DO IT.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

I'LL I'LL LET MR. DARRA ANSWER IS THAT AM OR PM JOHN, TO BE SURE.

WELL CERTAINLY WE APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, UM, THAT THE EASIEST ONE TO ANSWER IS THE POLICE OFFICER BILL OF RIGHT.

CAUSE THE CHIEF FALL UNDER THE POLICE OFFICER, BILL OF RIGHTS.

THE ANSWER IS YES, ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEES FALL UNDER THE POLICE OFFICER, BILL OF RIGHTS, ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEES.

UH, SO THAT'S AN EASY ONE TO ANSWER IN TERMS OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE CHIEF.

SO THERE IS A MECHANISM TO MAKE A COMPLAINT FOR VARIOUS ISSUES.

REALLY ON THE ISSUES OF PERSONNEL ADMINISTRATION.

I THINK IT'S UNDER LOUISIANA REVISED STATUTE, TITLE 33, COLON 24, 77.

ANY PERSON CAN MAKE A COMPLAINT OR ASK FOR REVIEW OR INVESTIGATION, BUT THE KICKER THERE IS THERE HAS TO BE JUST CAUSED AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT JUST CAUSES THOUGH, TO YOUR QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD GO TO THE POLICE STATION OR COME TO THIS BODY.

I WILL SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PROCEDURES OF MAKING A PLAN WITH THE POLICE STATION.

SO I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

BUT IN TERMS OF COMING TO THIS BOARD, CERTAINLY THE BOARD WOULD ENTERTAIN ANY MOTION OR ANY PETITION THAT IS SUPPORTED WITH JUST COSTS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND TO THE BODY DURING THE DAY, MY NAME IS EUGENE COLLINS.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE BATON ROUGE BRANCH OF THE NAACP.

MY COLLEAGUE STATED SOME OF THE SAME POINTS THAT I WISH TO TOUCH ON HERE TODAY.

AND THAT IS THAT A LOT OF THIS STUFF FALLS UNDER THE POLICE OFFICER, BILL OF RIGHTS, IN OUR OPINION, UH, WE FAILED TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION, UH, AS A BODY THAT YOU'RE SITUATED IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERREACH AND THAT'S MY OPINION.

AND IF WE'RE WRONG, UH, PLEASE TELL US WHERE, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF YOU GUYS ARE GONNA SET THIS PRECEDENT THAT WE WANT TO BRING EVERY COMPLAINT THAT WE RECEIVED WITH NAACP TO THIS BODY, UH, WE WOULD LIKE SOME TIME, A LOT ON YOUR AGENDA TO DO SO.

UM, CAUSE WE SUBMITTED A FORMAL COMPLAINT ON JUNE 14TH, 2021 TO REVIEW THE CASE OF MR. DON TRYING TO ROB US.

AND THIS IS THE EMAIL, THIS BODY MEMBER RESPONDED TO IT.

SO IT WAS LEAKING THE INVESTIGATE I CHIEF, WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT EMAIL? JUNE 14TH, 2021.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LABELED THE FORMAL COMPLAINT AND STATEMENT, DON TRYING TO ROBINSON, WHO WAS IT EMAILED TO, WAS EMAILED TO, TO BE MATCHED TO THE WEBMASTER.

I CAN FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO THIS BODY OF NAVY THEY CAME IN, BUT I CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU IF YOU NEED IT.

YES MA'AM.

SO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THIS BODY IS GOING TO TAKE SHOULD BE BRINGING EVERY COMPLAINT TO THIS BODY THAT WE RECEIVED.

NOW, IT'S MY QUESTION HERE TODAY.

AND WE'RE GOING TO INVESTIGATE THE CHIEF.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR ALL MATTERS INVOLVING POLICE BE INVESTIGATED BY THIS BODY AS WELL.

BECKY, THANK YOU.

MAY ASK A FAVOR.

WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT TO CIVIL SERVICE BOARD@BRLA.GOV PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL BOARD MEETING THAT WAS HELD ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2022.

UM, ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? WE GO BACK TO THE

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UH, IF EVERYBODY SAYS IT HASN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM, UM, WE HAVE ANY CHANGES NOT TO MOVE.

WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES SECONDED BY MRS. LEWIS, ALL IN FAVOR.

SIGNIFY FAVOR BY SAYING AYE.

WAIT, WE'VE ADOPTED THE MINUTES.

MIKE, BETTER ASHER ON A FIREFIGHTER BUTTON, BATON SHOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, BE BOARD MEMBER OF THE LOCAL UNION.

NEXT.

WE'LL MOVE TO

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THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALRIGHT.

IT'S BEEN POSTED FOR 30 DAYS, UH, FOR THE POSITION OF CHIEF ADMINISTRATIONS.

UM, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT,

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UM, I DON'T THINK I'M COMING UP TO SAY WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE POSITION BEING CREATED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THE, UH, THE CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR US TO VOTE ON ANY CHANGES TO THE PAY PLAN.

AND THIS DOES MAKE A CHANGE TO THE PAY PLAN.

ALL I'M REQUESTING IS A 60 DAY DEFERRAL TO SO WE CAN GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER AS WE GET A NEW ADMINISTRATION THAT COMES IN ON WHAT TO DO IN THAT ISSUE IS, IS PRETTY MUCH THE BOTTOM LINE OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO THE PAY PLAN DOES MAKE A CHANGE HERE.

THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING AWAY WITH ONE POSITION, THEY'RE ADDING A NEW ONE.

IT'S GOT TO CHANGE TO THAT PAY PLAN.

THAT ABSOLUTELY IS VOTED ON BY THE, UH, THE POTTY.

IT SHOULD BE VOTED ON BY THE BODY, ANY CHANGES TO THAT CONTRACT.

SO THAT'S MY FAST FIVE, WHICH BODY BY THE UNION BODY, BY THE UNION BODY, WE HAD CHANGED IN 2014.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND WE HAD TO VOTE ON THAT BEFORE IT PASSED, BEFORE IT WENT THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL AND IT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND NOW IT'S, WE'RE KIND OF THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE AND JUST RIGHTING THE SHIP ON IT.

SO THAT'S IT.

UM, BOARD MEMBERS I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

WHAT'S A SHAME AS A UNION PRESIDENT, SHANE SPELLMAN, UM, I'M THE PROVISION OF CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION.

I'M ALSO THE OUTGOING UNION PRESIDENT.

UM, OUR CONTRACT WITH THE CITY ROLLS OVER EVERY YEAR.

RIGHT? UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING, BUT WE MAKE CHANGES LIKE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD.

A LOT OF TIMES IN ALL OF THIS NEW POSITION DID IS THE, UH, COUNCIL HAD TO ADOPT A NEW POSITION INSIDE THE NEW CLASSIFICATION PAY CLASSIFICATION.

AND THEY JUST MOVED ONE, WHICH WAS THE CHIEF OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, MOVED DOWN, WENT OUT AND PUT THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATION.

IT WAS JUST A NEW POSITION.

THAT'S ALL IT WAS.

WE'VE NEVER ANY TIME WE'VE EVER DONE THIS.

WE'VE NEVER VOTED ON IT ON THE CONTRACT AS A WHOLE.

WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE UNION'S INTEREST TO BE IN THIS? LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT IS OF, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M STILL SERVING, LIKE I SAID, FOR ANOTHER FEW DAYS AS A UNION PRESIDENT AND THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT SINCE IT'S BEEN, I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE COUNCIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP TO THE BODY BY ANYBODY MIKE.

SO WHAT INTEREST IS IT TO UNION OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE THE CHANGE IN ADDITION TO THERE'S FUNDING BEING ADDED TO THE PAY PLAN RIGHT NOW.

NOW, IF I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS AS THE PAY PLAN GOES, IF WE HAD AN ADDITION TO THAT PAY PLAN AT THE LOWEST LEVEL, IT AFFECTS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP.

AND RIGHT NOW, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL IT, THAT'S NOT GOING A TWO-WAY STREET.

AND THAT FUND DOES COME OUT OF A MILLAGE THAT, THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE.

I THINK WE HAVE A RIGHT TO WEIGH IN ON.

AND CERTAINLY, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, BY OUR BYLAW, WHICH I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, IT SAYS IN THERE ANY CHANGE TO THIS CONTRACT HAS TO BE VOTED ON BY A THREE-DAY REFERENDUM.

SO THAT'S WHY I REQUEST 60 DAYS THOUGH, TO HAS THAT BEEN PUT IN EVERY CON UH, EVERY I, TO MY KNOWLEDGE IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE CHANGE TO THIS PAY PLAN THAT HAS EVER NOT BEEN VOTED ON.

WELL, I MEAN, IF THERE'S A, IF I'M INCORRECT ON THAT, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO IT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T RECALL IT.

I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE.

SO ANYBODY ELSE NEAR THE ANSWER, I MEAN, THAT WAS, UH, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO REQUEST SOME POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON IT.

IF I'M WRONG, I'M WRONG.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.

I JUST, UH, AS IT SITS, WHAT IF WE, IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE UNION BODY AND DOES IT NEED TO BE VOTED ON BECAUSE, AND ACCORDING TO OUR BYLAW, AND AGAIN, I'M SAYING THAT THIS DOES, DOES PROBABLY FOLLOW A LEGAL PRECEDENT.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT THE LAWYER.

THAT'S WHY I WOULD DEFER TO MR. DARRA THERE AND WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.

I DON'T THINK HE'S HAD ENOUGH TIME TO GET FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IF THERE IS A CHANGE TO THAT, THAT, THAT CONTRACT, IT HAS TO BE VOTED ON BY THE, BY THE BODY.

AND IT HAS BEEN DONE THAT WAY IN THE PAST.

AND THE PAY PLAN IS COVERED FROM FIRE CHIEF DOWN TO THE PRIVATE THOUGH.

SO THAT, SO LET ME ASK THEN, UM, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A WHILE NOW, AT LEAST 30, MAYBE 60, UH, WELL, SINCE DECEMBER, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST.

5, 5, 7 IN THE CITY PARISH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.

SO IF A VOTE IS REQUIRED BY HAVING THE UNION DONE SO ALREADY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE FA THE PRESIDENT.

I WILL SAY THIS AND I'M, YES, THERE HAS BEEN CHANGES WHEN WE'VE ADDED POSITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE DID NOT VOTE ON A CONTRACT ON THE THREE-DAY REFERENDUM VOTE.

UM, THE CONTRACT BETWEEN LOCAL

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UM, THE WAY THIS POSITION WAS PUT IN PLACE WAS FOLLOWED BY STATE LAW.

STATE LAW SAID IT HAD TO BE ADOPTED BY THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY, WHICH IT WAS BY THE METRO COUNCIL.

AFTER THAT IS ADOPTED THEN IS BROUGHT TO YOU TO ADD TO THE CLASSIFICATION PLAN.

BUT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT HAS NO BEARING AT ALL.

AND THIS HEARING RIGHT HERE, UM, YOU'RE ADOPTING A NEW CLASS INTO THIS CLASSIFICATION PLAN.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH UNION CONTRACT.

IF HE THINKS THERE'S A VIOLATION OF THE UNION CONTRACT BETWEEN LOCAL 5, 5, 7, AND THE CITY PARISH, WHEN IT WAS OVER THE AVENUES TO DO THAT, THIS IS NOT THAT YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

WHAT IS IT? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AGAINST IT.

AND THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT.

CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND SAY, HEY, IT VIOLATES THE CONTRACT.

RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE YOUR ARGUMENT WOULD BE FROM THE LOCAL SIDE.

IS THAT THE METRO COUNCIL WE DON'T HAVE HERE? NO, YOU DON'T.

NO, WE DON'T.

WE WERE JUST VOTING TO APPROVE TO ADOPT THAT CATHOLIC BAR, THE CLASSIFICATION THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THE REASON WHY ALL THIS WAS BROUGHT UP WAS BECAUSE OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, IT'S SIMPLIFIES THAT WE HAD EVERYTHING GOING TO ONE CHIEF, THE CHIEF OF OPERATIONS AND THE NEW CHIEF WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DELEGATE DIFFERENT THINGS, DIFFERENT TASKS TO HIS TWO MAIN CHIEFS.

ANOTHER THING IT DOES IS IT MAKES THE CHIEF ABLE TO PUT IN THAT POSITION, SAY THERE WAS A NEW CHIEF OTHER, UH, MICHAEL STEPS DOWN.

I DO.

CHIEF COMES IN, HE'S ABLE TO PUT WHO HE WANTS IN THAT ALL QUALIFIED APPLICANT.

OF COURSE, THERE WILL BE A TEST FOR THAT IN THAT POSITION.

BUT, AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I ACTUALLY THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WANTED TO BE MADE.

DID YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BEFORE? YES, SIR.

CHAD MAJOR, UM, UH, RECENTLY RETIRED AS INTERIM CHIEF, UH, FROM THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I'M THE ONE WHO, UH, PUT INTO CREATIVE, THE CLASSIFICATION, THE REASON MAN, THE WAY WE WERE SET UP, HE HAD A CHIEF OF OPERATIONS WHO WAS OVER SUPPRESSION, BUT YOU REALLY HAD NO ONE OTHER THAN THE FIRE CHIEF THAT WAS OVER ALL OF THE, UH, UH, THE DIVISIONS WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO TO HONDA LAW, THE, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, CAUSE IT, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE CHIEF HAD NO AUTHORITY OVER THOSE DIVISIONS.

THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THIS POSITION.

I DID IT DIRECTLY.

I PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL.

UM, IT WAS BUDGETED FOR THE NEW CLASS, UH, PLAN WAS ADOPTED FOR THE PAY SCALE.

AND NOW IT COMES TO Y'ALL.

IT'S NO VIOLATION OF THE CONTRACT.

THERE'S BEEN TIMES BEFORE WHERE WE'VE HIRED FOUR NEW COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS AND WE JUST PUT THEM TO WORK, RIGHT.

IT DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO VOTE ON A NEW CONTRACT BECAUSE WE EXPANDED OUR ALLOCATIONS WITHIN THE FIRE SERVICE.

I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU, UH, ADOPT A CLASS PLAN AS IT STANDS BEFORE YOU I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

UM, FROM MY VANTAGE POINT, I DON'T THINK THAT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A BREACH IN THE UNION CONTRACT IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD REALLY NEEDS TO BE WORRIED ABOUT.

THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR PURVIEW AT THIS POINT.

THE TRUE CONTOUR OF THIS HEARING IS REALLY JUST TO DISCUSS THE EX THE CLASSIFICATION ITSELF, WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANY MODIFICATIONS AND THE JOB SPECS, THINGS LIKE THAT STUFF IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A BREACH AND THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE.

I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH THAT TO DR.

ROBINSON'S POINT.

UH, THIS HAS BEEN POSTED FOR 60 DAYS.

THERE'S BEEN TIME TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

NOW, OF COURSE, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS ISSUE, THEY CERTAINLY CAN.

BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS ON THAT.

WHAT I, I THINK YOU GUYS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, CERTAINLY CAN, WELL, I MOVE THAT.

WE ADOPT THE NEW CLASSIFICATION BEFORE I SECOND THAT ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS WE DO OTHER COMMENTS OVER WELL IN THAT CASE.

AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE EMOTIONAL ENFORCEMENT.

SECOND BUYER PRESS, UM, EMOTIONALLY IS TO ADOPT THE POSITION OR THE CLASSIFICATION OF CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR.

AND, UM, WE'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE ALL

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IN FAVOR BY SAYING, AYE, WE NEED A ROLL CALL, VOTE, ROLL CALL.

LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.

BRANDON WILLIAMS. YES.

YOU HAVE A TIE, SIR.

YOU HAVE A TIE BEFORE.

THE, UH, APPROVAL OF APPLICATION.

OH, EXCUSE ME.

MY MISTAKE.

I SAID I GOT UP ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BED.

SO THE OTHER THING, THE ALLOCATION OF THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS OF CLASSIFICATION, IT WAS ONE POSITION THAT WE'RE MAKING NOTES ON THERE.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, UH, A MOTION THAT WE CALL FOR THE EXAMINATION.

IS THERE A SECOND? WHAT IS IT? I'M SORRY.

NOW WE'VE ADOPTED IT.

NOW WE NEED TO CALL FOR AN EXAMINATION.

I SECOND IT ALL RIGHT.

ON TO ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS.

WE HAVE

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AND, UM, I'M IN THE PROCESS THAT YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS.

I HAVE THE, UM, THE NUMBERS OF, IF YOU WILL, UH, I'LL WAIT TILL YOU FINISH.

CLARIFY THAT IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY IT'S GOING TO CHANGE IF YOU WOULD, WHEN YOU CHANGE IT, JUST UPDATE THIS SHEET SO FAR BY OUR INVESTIGATOR, WE HAD SEVEN QUALIFIED EIGHT DID NOT QUALIFY FOR INVESTIGATOR.

THAT'S JUST ONE.

SO THEY'RE QUALIFIED AND EIGHT WHAT'D YOU LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE POLICE CLASSIFICATIONS CHAIRMAN? WE HAVE THOSE, NO, THAT SAME PAGE.

THE NUMBERS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

WE CAN DO THE POLICE.

APPLICATIONS, PEOPLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, SO WE HAVE EIGHT QUALIFIED FOR POLICE COMMUNICATION.

OFFICER TWO, WE HAVE ZERO QUALIFIED FOR THE POLICE, FORENSIC SCIENTIST.

UM, ONE QUALIFIED OR CRIME STATISTICIAN AT A STATION.

AND, UM, OR POLICE COULD TED.

WE HAVE FOUR QUALIFIED AND TWO DISQUALIFY.

DO WE HAVE THE REASONS THERE ARE DISQUALIFIED? YES.

I HAVE THE REASONS IN BLUE FOLDERS, YOU HAVE THE BLUE, WE NEED TO REASON THIS OUT OF CARRIER WHEN APPLICANT IS DISQUALIFIED, BECAUSE HE DID NOT PROVIDE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR PASSPORT.

AND THE OTHER APPLICANT IS DISQUALIFIED DUE TO AGE REQUIREMENTS.

MR. DORA, I VERIFY THAT THE FIRE COMMUNICATION OFFICER ONE APPLICANTS DIDN'T MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.

LET'S HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

APPROVED THE QUALIFIED AND THE DISAPPROVED DISQUALIFY.

IS THERE A SECOND? LIKE IN, BY MS. LEWIS? ALL IN FAVOR.

HE'S B SMITH IS GETTING THEM TOGETHER.

A LOT OF THEM

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IF THAT'S A TIME-SAVING EFFORT.

YOU'RE FIRE COMMUNICATIONS.

THE POLICE COULD.

THAT IS PENNY.

WHAT IS SNS? BEC SERVICES AND SUPPLY INFORMATION.

OFFICER ONE HAVE MET THE TYPING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS THE OTHER MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT'S IT I'M SAVING MY PRE YOU HAVE THE POLICE CADET ON THE APPROVAL BOARD APPLICATION.

IT WAS THE VERY BOTTOM.

WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, THOSE HAVE BEEN OKAY.

YOUR POLICE CLASSES ARE COVERED.

WE'VE GOT THE POLICE.

I WAS LOOKING FOR THE, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE THE CADET POLICE COULD.

THAT WAS ON THERE.

THEY'RE IN ORDER BY HOW THEY'RE LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

THE ONE WE GOT IN THE MAIL, IT'S NOT ON THERE, BUT WHEN WE RECEIVED IN THE MAIL, IT'S NOT ON THERE ON THIS ONE, BUT OH, THAT'S TRUE.

YES.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IF YOU HAD THE CORRECT.

SO WE JUST GET AN UPDATE ON THE AGENDA WHEN WE COME IN IT'LL HELP JOHN, IF YOU JUST TELL US WHICH ONE CHANGES FROM THE PRINTOUT LIKE YOU DID JUST NOW JUST TELL US WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED TO CHANGE BY PREVENTION, CHIEF ONE, QUALIFY THIS, AND IN FIVE MINUTES YOU WILL QUALIFY THAT'S ASSIGNMENT PROCESS DOING A FIRE SERVICE SINCE OKAY.

GIVES US THIS WEEK IF YOU WANT.

SIX TO THE REQUEST TO APPEAL HEARING FOR WHOLE TOMES.

WELL, I MEAN, I CAN, OKAY.

SO YEAH, WE CAN GO ON TO IF A BUDGET, A BOARD, UH, ITEM NUMBER

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AND THEN THE BOARD DIDN'T HAVE THAT.

WE CAN'T CALL IT TILL WE LIVE WITH DOES ANYONE FROM HERE? UH, FOR THE WHOLE HOLMES? NO.

MR. HOLLINS WAS TERMINATED IN MAY OF 2021.

UM, UNDER FORMER CHIEF SMITH AT THE TIME OF THE APPEAL WAS SET FORTH FOR TRYING TO REMEMBER SEPTEMBER THE WHOLE MIDDLE OF THE DATES.

UM, THE, THE APPEAL WAS POSTPONED

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AN ATTORNEY, THE BOARD DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH HEARING AIDS, UH, UH, TERMINATION CASE WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT.

SO IT JUST KEPT GETTING PUSHED FORWARD.

SO HE IS WAITING, UM, FOR A CALL TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA SCHEDULE YOU WITH PEOPLE HERE.

YES.

HE HAS AN ATTORNEY ON RECORD AS WELL.

THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

AND, UH, THE PARENT'S ATTORNEY CALENDAR THAT YOU GOT FRAME THAT WE CAN'T SCHEDULE ANYTHING TOMORROW OR US ABOUT FAIRS, ATTORNEY DOESN'T HAVE IT.

I GOT, YEAH.

MS. KIA REPRESENTING THE DEPARTMENT AND THE CASE AND MR. GREEN IS REPRESENTING THE, UH, APPELLANT AND I'M SURE MR. DARA IS FAMILIAR WITH MR. GREEN IS FROM ALEXANDRA AS WELL.

THE ONLY CANDIDATE CAN BE CURRENTLY.

WE HAVE, UH, YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING IN THE MONTH OF MARCH FOR FIRE.

NO, THE CHIEF'S ATTORNEY AND BE PRESENT IN MARCH.

AND THAT IS FOR BOTH.

UM, LET'S SEE.

CLIFTON PEARSON IS FIRE.

DEFINITELY NOT THE WON'T DO THE LIST.

I'LL TELL YOU.

HI RIGHT HERE.

JASON OGLE AND JOEY GOUDY.

OH YEAH.

Y'ALL WANT ME TO DO A LETTER OF REPRIMAND WITHOUT THEM THERE OR NO, THAT WOULD JUST WAIT.

SO ALL, ALL OF THESE ARE ALL FIVE OF NEED TO BE NOT NEXT MONTH.

WE'RE GOING TO DO THE LETTER ON MARCH 28TH.

NOPE.

I THINK HE'S PRESENT WITH THAT.

MR. GUN.

ARE YOU FINE WITH THAT? YOU'RE FINE.

WITH THAT DATE, SIR.

YOU GO WITH NEXT BOND.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THOUGH.

SO THAT PUTS US TO, UM, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO REACH OUT TO MR. HOLMES ATTORNEY MR. GREEN? HERE'S IT? NO, THAT'S DEFINITELY.

DOES ANYBODY HERE FOR THE PEARSON, DO YOU MIND COMING UP THERE? UH, MY TONER HAD LAST YEAR APPLIED FOR A CONTINUOUS CAUSE HE WAS SICK.

I REMEMBER.

AND, UM, HE'S JUST TRYING TO PUT IT BACK ON A SCHEDULE THE WEEKEND.

UM, GET THAT 30 DAY SUSPENSION AND LET HER REPRIMAND.

UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? IS HE GOOD WITH ANY DATE CLIFTON? YEAH.

HE JUST NEEDED ANY ADVANCE NOTICE.

YOU GOT TO BE OPPOSED TO DOING THEM BOTH ON THE SAME DAY, WHICH, WHICH ONE? THE LETTER OF REPRIMAND AND THE SUSPENSION? UH, NO, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE, UM, HE'S NOT OPPOSED OR YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THAT.

HE DON'T DO BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.

HE SAID HE WANTED TO DO THEM.

BOTH HE IS.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

NOBODY, NONE OF THE FIRE CAN DO NONE OF THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TO RESCHEDULE CAN BE DONE ON THE 28TH BECAUSE OF THAT JOKE EXCEPT FOR JOE.

[00:35:05]

THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SUGGEST THAT, UH, MR. DYER REACHED OUT TO MR. GREEN.

UM, I HAD CALLED JACKS CALL JACKSON.

I'M SORRY.

UH, AND THEY CAN ARRANGE A DATE AS WELL AS MR. GREEN OR THE YELLOW.

WE'VE GOT FOLKS AT HOME.

AND WHEN YOU DON'T SPEAK INTO YOUR MICROPHONES, PEOPLE CAN'T HEAR.

SO IF WE CAN MAKE IT A HABIT, NO PROBLEM.

SO BASICALLY STEEL FOR MARCH.

UM, WE HAVE NOTHING.

WHEN DOES THE, WELL, I WAS SPEAKING OF, I DON'T, I'M SORRY FOR DOPEY TOWARDS THE RED STEAK.

THE, WHEN DOES THAT END WITH THE JUDGE? THE, UM, WHEN IS THE NEXT COURT DATE? SO, UH, IN REFERENCE TO THE, THE DODI EIGHT INVESTIGATION, UH, THE NEXT COURT DATE IS ACTUALLY MARCH 8TH OR THE, REALLY THE FIRST COURT DATE.

SO THIS BOARD CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING ON THAT ONE, UH, UNTIL AFTER MARCH EIGHT.

WE CAN'T EVEN MOVE THAT.

ALL RIGHT, NO PROBLEM.

YOU HAVE, UH, I THINK I SAW COUNSEL FOR THE CHIEF HERE.

UH, HE PROBABLY WON'T BE AVERSE AS SETTING IT, SO THAT WAY WE CAN KEEP THINGS GOING IN THE EVENT THAT CORRECT.

AND WE DO GET RELIEF AND CAN DEAL WITH IT.

YOU WOULD TAKE THE 28 TO REPLACE DELTA YELLOW, 28.

WE CAN SET IT ON .

COULD YOU, COULD YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE IN LIGHT OF, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WE JUST HEARD? YEAH, I WAS JUST SAYING IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER ON MY SCHEDULE IF WE COULD DO IT ON THE 27TH, THE 25TH OF APRIL, WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE.

UM, THE ONLY THING THAT SET THAT DAY FOR US AS WE'VE GOT JUST LEGAL ARGUMENT ON THE CAMELO CASE, IT'S A MOTION FOR SUMMARY DISPOSITION.

IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD ARGUMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT ONE'S GOING TO TAKE VERY LONG.

UM, SO WE COULD PROBABLY KNOCK THAT OUT PRETTY QUICKLY.

IF WE WANT TO SET IT FOR THE 25TH, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE THE MOST READY FOR A MOTION FOR SUMMARY DISPOSITION FOR KAMALA AND FOR A COWARD, SAME ARGUMENT ACTUALLY ON CHEMO AND COWARD.

SO AGAIN, THEY'RE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK.

I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD BOTH OF THEM THAT DAY, BUT THAT'S FINE.

I'M SURE MR. CHAIRMAN'S GOING TO HOLD YOU TO THE PRETTY QUICK PART.

YEAH, I'LL BE PRETTY QUICK.

I HAVE TO TALK TO MY COUNTERPARTS, MR. KERSHAW, MR. DEWEY ABOUT THAT.

BUT, UH, THE ARGUMENTS THAT THEY ARE MAKING IN THAT CASE IN EACH CASE ARE PRETTY SIMILAR.

WE ALSO RECEIVED THE EXTENSION, UH, MR. SMITH PROVIDED US WITH THE EXTENSION OF EMERGENCY PROFESSIONALS DUE TO COVID PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY.

UM, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SET THOSE DAS REQUEST, THE TWO REQUESTS FOR INVESTIGATIONS ON APRIL 25TH.

[7. EXTENSION OF EMERGENCY PROVISIONS DUE TO COVID-19 PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY]

UH, MR. SMITH TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY.

I KNOW THE NUMBER SEVEN, UH, THE NUMBER I HAD HIM LOSE.

WAS, I TOOK, UH, THE SLEEP.

IT'S THE WE, SO WE JUST NEED TO, UH, ADOPT THE, THE, UH, EXTENSION TO THE PROCLAMATION BY THE GOVERNMENT.

WELL, THE POLICE AND FIRE PAY, UH, OUR ACCOUNTANT WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, THEY WERE SAYING WE WEREN'T IN, UH, WE WEREN'T, WE HADN'T EXTENDED THAT.

AND WE DIDN'T KNOW THE PR THE PROCLAMATION WAS VOTED ON BEFORE I

[00:40:01]

UH, CHAD, DO YOU WANT TO EXPEL ON THIS? I MEAN, IT'S JUST A TECHNICALITY.

SO THE, OUR ACCOUNTANT, WE, WE APPROVED THE PAY CODE FOR PAY FIREMEN AND POLICE CHAD MAJOR.

TH THE PROCLAMATION WAS ADOPTED, UH, AND MARCH, I THINK OF 2020 WHEN THE PANDEMIC FIRST BROKE OUT.

WHEN I MET WITH THE GOVERNOR, DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF LEAVE HAD TO BE SET UP, UM, BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, TO GET FARM AT A TIME OFF AND POLICE OFFICERS AS WELL.

UH, IF THEY WERE CONTRACTED OR EXPOSED TO COVID, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THAT PROCLAMATION PER THE CONSTITUTION HAS TO BE RENEWED EVERY 28 DAYS.

AND IT HAS BEEN FOR THIS ENTIRE PERIOD.

AND I THINK WHAT THE MEASURE SAYS IS WE WILL FILE OUR RENEWING IT HERE, AS LONG AS IT'S BEING RENEWED BY THE GOVERNOR EVERY 28 DAYS, WOULD THAT BE? HE SAID, IS THERE A MOTION TO, UM, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE PROCLAMATION FOR LEAVE FOR FIRE AND POLICE, AND THAT IT REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT RENEW THE PROVOCATION.

THAT'LL KEEP US FROM HAVING TO DO THIS EVERY SINGLE MONTH, EVERY 28 DAYS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY MR. ROBINSON, ALL IN FAVOR BY SAYING HI.

HI, ALL THE POSTS AND YOUR POSTS, HEARING NONE.

THE MOTION PASSES MOVING ON TO NUMBER

[8. Withdraw]

EIGHT, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ONLY AGENDA WITHDRAW WITH TWO DAYS SUSPENSION WITHOUT PAY TO SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2002, AND SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2002 FOR VIOLATION OF BEVERAGE FIRE DEPARTMENT TRAINING CAN BE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

I'M GOING HOME AFTER THIS, CAUSE HE'S ABOUT A LITTLE BULLETS, BUT TO KILL ME, UM, I'LL PUT IN FOR THIS, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UH, DURING THE TIME WHEN I WAS INTERIM CHIEF AND WE DIDN'T GET AROUND TO IT.

AND MY APOLOGIES, I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THE MEETING LAST MONTH.

AND THEN PUTTING THEM UP.

I WAS HAPPY TO, TO BE AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING RETIRED AGAIN.

BUT ANYWAY, THE, UM, AND MR. CARVILLE'S CASE, UM, CHIEF SMITH HAD JUST BEGUN, JUST BEGAN HIS TENURE AS CHIEF AT THE TIME, WE'RE AT A POLICY IN THE ACADEMY.

IF YOU GET TIME OFF FROM THE ACADEMY, WASN'T NO APPEALS, ANY APPEALS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS A DISAGREEMENT, UM, UH, AMONGST, UH, SOME OF THE CADETS IN THE ACADEMY, HE GOT PUSHED, HE PUSHED BACK, THEY BROUGHT THE WHOLE PILE IN.

HE ENDED UP, HE ENDED UP GETTING THE TWO DAYS SUSPENSION AS WELL AS ONE OTHER GUY.

AND OTHER GUY TOLD THE CHIEF AT THE TIME I DID IT, NOT HIM.

UM, AND I TOLD HIM, MR. CORVETTE, AT THE TIME, IF I EVER BECAME A CHIEF, I WAS GONNA WRITE THE WRONG.

UM, I SPOKE WITH THE STATE EXAMINER ABOUT THIS AS IT, IN HIS APPEAL.

IT'S NOT AN APPEAL.

IT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION TO OVERTURN OR, OR TO REINSTATE THOSE TWO DAYS.

HE DOESN'T WANT ANY PAYBACK.

HE JUST, FOR THE, WELL, THE, UH, THE PRINCIPAL OF THE WHOLE MATTER, HE JUST WANTED HIS RECORD TO BE CLEAN.

AND HE'S BEEN AN EXEMPLARY BOY, HIS WHOLE CAREER.

HE'S A CAPTAIN NOW.

AND, UM, HE JUST WANTED, YOU KNOW, HIS RECORD TO BE CLEAN.

SO TO CREATE THE PAF AT S TO COME THROUGH Y'ALL TO GO TO THE STATE EXAMINER.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU NOW.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, ALLOW FOR THE TWO DAY SUSPENSION TO BE LIKE THAT WE WITHDRAW THE TWO DAY SUSPENSION.

HOW'S THIS BOARD WAS DRAW SOMETHING AND DIDN'T ISSUE THE FIRST PLACE.

I WAS ABOUT TO ASK.

YES, SIR.

UM, APPROVED THE ORIGINAL TO THE SUSPENSION.

YES, SIR.

WAY BACK WHEN WE BANK WITH NO.

OH, NO, HE DIDN'T APPEAL IT.

HE NEVER APPEARED IT, BUT HE COULDN'T APPEAL IT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T IN THE ACADEMY.

YOU'VE SIX MONTHS ON, IN THE ACADEMY.

FIRST SIX MONTHS, YOU BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HAPPENS TO YOU HAPPENS TO YOU.

YOU HAVE REALLY NO RIGHTS OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU CAN BE WITHDRAWN FOR ANY REASON OR TERMINATED FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER.

UM, IT USED TO NOT BE THAT WAY.

AND HE ENDED UP HAVING A KNUCKLEHEAD AND YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THE KNUCKLEHEAD, BUT YOU'RE STUCK WITH THEM FOR 30 YEARS BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T GET RID OF THEM BACK THEN DURING THE ACADEMY.

SO WE CHANGED ALL THAT.

BUT IN OUR CASE IN BATTERIES OR SOMETHING HAPPENS DURING THE ACADEMY YOU BROUGHT IN TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, UM, YOU GET WHATEVER SUSPENSION IS.

IF YOU'RE LATE SO MANY TIMES OR, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A DEDUCTION AND PAY, YOU KNOW, OR GET NO PAY FOR THOSE HOURS.

IN THIS CASE, IT WAS A TWO DAYS NO PAY.

IT WASN'T A SUSPENSION.

THEY STILL HAD TO COME TO WORK, BUT IT'S TWO DAYS NO PAY, BUT IN HIS FILE IT SHOWS A TWO DAY BREAK IN SERVICE.

SO HE HAS TWO DAYS LESS IN YARD AND THEN FIVE PEOPLE IN HIS CLASS.

AND NONE OF THOSE FIVE PEOPLE WERE OBJECTED TO THIS.

UM, CAUSE THEY ALL KNEW WHAT HAPPENED.

THEY, WHILE THEY'RE IN THE SAME GROUP,

[00:45:01]

WELL, BECAUSE OF A PAF WAS, WELL, WE'LL GO TO OUR STATE EXAMINERS OFFICE.

CAUSE IT HAS IN THE STATE EXAMINED HIS FILE.

IT SHOWS THAT HE HAS A TWO DAY BREAK IN SERVICE BACK IN 2002, THAT THERE WAS A PAF CREATED, WHICH WE HAD TO SIGN OFF ON THAT.

SO THAT'S HOW WE WERE INVOLVED ON AND THEN THE BOY DEAD YES.

MA'AM YES, SIR.

AND NEVER WAS AN APPEAL BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW, I COULDN'T APPEAL IT.

I WAS IN THE CLASS WITH THE GUY I WAS THERE.

AND I'M NOT CONCERNED THAT THE DATA SPECIFIC TO THE CASE I'M LIKE, AS I AM ABOUT US DUE TO SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH, IF WE DIDN'T INITIALLY IT WAS A PAF CREATED FOR THAT BACK THEN.

AND IT WAS SIGNED OFF BY, I DON'T REMEMBER.

I DON'T EVEN WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO WAS ON.

IT WAS SERVICE FOR 2002.

READ THIS SIGNATURE.

WE JUST SENT ONE SIGNED OFF BY THE BOARD OF A SENTENCE AND THEN IT WENT THROUGH THE STATE EXAMINER.

SO WE'RE THE ONLY ENTITY THAT CAN OKAY.

THE CURRENT FIRE CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS KNOWING WHAT'S GOOD EMOTION.

AND THE SECOND JOHN WAS 35 BACK THEN IN 2002, I WAS 27 AS YOUNG ENOUGH.

I SECOND IT OKAY.

I MADE THE MOTION DOWN SECOND BULLET ON IT.

PUT HER TO VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSES TO WITHDRAW THE TWO DAY SUSPENSION.

CAN GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS, UH, THE JOHN DOSSIER APPEAL HEARING.

WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR ITEMS. NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ARE YOU WELCOME KEEGAN? YOU GOT TO STAY, YOU KNOW, HE'S ABOUT TO COME UP HERE AND WE DID TO THE PUBLIC.

PROBABLY NOT TAKEN UP.

OH, ARE WE GOING TO GET TO THAT OR I THINK THAT'S, UH, ITEM LEARN, BUT WE GET YOU.

HOW LONG DO YOU THINK WE GOT A JOB WE CAN CLOSE UP OR, YEAH, WE CAN'T BECAME, UH, WE

[9. Appeal Hearing]

UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MOVEMENT ON THIS THING OVER THE PAST MONTH OR SO.

AND UM, FIRST, UH, I'LL HAVE THE BOARD ATTORNEY BRINGING YOU GUYS UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THEM AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH MR. TARA.

UM, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST REAL QUICK ON THE DIRTY, A MATTER, UH, THE TWO DIFFERENT INVESTIGATIONS.

WE RECEIVED A FALLING FROM, UH, CHIEF MURPHY'S ATTORNEYS.

UH, THEY FILED A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER, UH, AGAINST THE BOARD, UM, OR BASICALLY RESTRAINING THE BOARD FROM TAKING ANY ACTION ON THE REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION.

THERE WERE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS, NAMELY, UM, VIOLATIONS OF TIME LIMITS.

THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE THERE.

UH, SO THAT MATTER WAS SET FOR HEARING ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT THE JUDGE'S OFFICE REQUESTED THAT THE HEARING BE MOVED, BUT IT'S BEEN RESCHEDULED FOR MARCH 8TH THAT'S NEXT WEEK.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME, UH, SOME ANSWERS NEXT WEEK, MARCH A, IF NOT, I WILL KEEP PRESSING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, REQUESTS FOR INVESTIGATIONS.

BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A DELAYED IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY SETTING THE APPEAL HEARING.

THAT'S WHY WE'VE CHOSEN TO DO IT ON APRIL 25TH.

SO WE CAN SORT THROUGH THAT DIFFERENT INJUNCTIVE RELIEF.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN THINK FROM, YOU KNOW, UM, OKAY.

THEY MOVED US BACK TO ITEMS NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE, WHICH IF YOU LIKE, WE TAKE A FIVE, 10 MINUTE RECESS.

ALRIGHT.

WE'LL RECESS 10 MINUTES.

OH, OKAY.

IT'S 12, 10.

I THINK WE TOOK A LITTLE MORE THAN A 10 MINUTE BREAK, BUT UH, I LIKE TO GET BACK TO THE AGENDA, STARTING WITH

[4. Approve Applications (Part 2 of 2)]

ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

I MEAN, FOR APPROVAL OF APPLICATIONS, LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE LIST OF WHAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE FIRE CAPTAIN.

WE HAVE, UH, WHAT IS 60 TO 62 QUALIFIED

[00:50:01]

40 DISQUALIFIED THREE.

THREE DISQUALIFIED.

WHY WERE THEY DISQUALIFIED? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME CAPTAIN.

IS THAT THE FIRST ONE? YEAH.

THAT'S FIRE CAPTAIN.

WE HAVE THREE DISQUALIFIED OUT OF THE 60, 62 QUALIFIED.

I GOT IT.

THIS ONE IS NOT A FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATORS THOUGH.

HE DID NOT PROMOTE THE NEXT ONE.

IS THIS QUALIFIED BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE A CONFIRMATION DATE.

HE JUST RE PROMOTION AND HE'S NOT CONFIRMED.

AND LAST THE PROMOTE AND THE NEXT ONE IS A CD ATTACHMENT.

WE'LL NOT BE CONFIRMED UNTIL 2 28, 22.

SO HE IS QUALIFIED AS WELL.

HE, OKAY.

UM, AGAIN, THE FIRE PREVENTION CHIEF, WE HAVE ONE QUALIFIED.

WE HAVE THE ASSISTANT FIRE PREVENTION, CHIEF TO QUALIFIED.

WE HAVE FIRE SERVICES AND SUPPLY TECHNICIAN.

YOU HAVE 20 QUALIFIED, UH, FOUR DID NOT QUALIFY.

THAT SAYS 16 QUALIFIED FOR DENIED.

RIGHT.

DID YOU WANT TO SAY WHY THE FORD DIDN'T QUALIFY? THEY FOUND THE 10 YEAR REQUIREMENT.

THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE TENURE REQUIREMENT.

MOVING ON TO THE FIRE COMMUNICATIONS, OFFICER ONE, YOU HAVE NINE QUALIFIED, UH, TRAINED OFFICER.

YOU HAD SEVEN, FOUR QUALIFIED, THREE DENIED.

THOSE REASONS WERE IN YOUR 10 YEARS.

WELL MOVING ON TO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OFFICER, YOU HAD 16, NINE OF THEM QUALIFIED AND SEVEN OF THEM DID NOT IN YEAR OFF ALL 10 YEAR.

WE'RE GOING ON TO THE FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR.

YOU HAD 83 QUALIFIED.

UH, ALSO WE HAD THE FIRE INVESTIGATOR, WHICH WAS 16, 16 AND 7, 5 8 DID NINE.

THEY'RE SAYING THE 10 YEAR.

SO THESE ARE THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE, THE, UH, TO APPROVE.

WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE.

I'LL SECOND.

MOVE BY PRES SECONDED BY MR. SMITH WAS CALLED, UH, ALL IN FAVOR.

UM, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT BY SAYING AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES.

[5. Call for Examinations]

NEXT.

WE HAVE THE CALL FOR THE EXAMINATIONS FOR THE CHIEF FIRE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER, SECRETARY OF THE FIRE CHIEF ASSISTED BY OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION, OFFICERS, POLICE, COMMUNICATION OFFICERS, ONE POLICE CRIMINAL INFORMATION SPECIALISTS, ONE CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE, INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, UH, POLICE, FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN, AND POLICE CAPTAIN.

IT'S A CALL FOR THE EXAMINATION.

UM, I MAKE MOTION WOULD CALL COUGH WITH EXAMINATION.

SO I CAN DO I PRESS ALL IN FAVOR BY SAYING AYE.