[Fire Police Municipal Board on March 28, 2022]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER OF THE FIRE MUNICIPAL AND POLICE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
CAN WE START WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE? I MADE A ROLL CALL.
JOHN SMITH PRESENT SHARON LEWIS, PRESS ROBINSON, ROB MEMORIZING, BRANDON WILLIAMS QUORUM, SIR.
UM, I LIKE TO TAKE THIS TIME TO GIVE THE, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN LET'S GO ON, UM, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 28TH TO MAY 28TH.
IT'S BEEN A SECOND AND IT'S PROVEN SECONDARY.
UH, LET'S GO ON TO THE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE MERIT MATTERS TO INCLUDE, PROVE THE APPLICATIONS.
SO, UM, THE FIRST ONE, THE CHIEF FIRE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, UH, NEEDS TO BE CANCELED BECAUSE WE RECEIVED ZERO APPLICATIONS.
I CALLED FOR A MOTION FOR A VOTE ON THAT MOVE.
AND, UH, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, VOTE, UH, PRE CANCELING.
SO THE YES WOULD WOULD MEAN CANCELING NATE YOU'RE OPPOSED TO CANCELING? YES.
ROBINSON, BRANDON WILLIAMS. YES.
UM, ALSO WE HAVE FOUR FOR THE SECRETARY TO THE FIRE CHIEF.
WE HAVE, UM, THREE FIRE ASSISTANT, ASSISTANT FIRE, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICERS, UH, POLICE COMMUNICATION OFFICERS.
ONE, WE HAVE FIVE POLICE, CRIMINAL AND FRESH INFORMATION SPECIALISTS.
WE HAVE SEVEN, UH, CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS.
WE HAVE SEVEN POLICE FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN.
WE HAVE FOUR AND POLICE CAPTAIN.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE NEED NO, SIR.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.
SECOND BY MRS. LEWIS, WE MOVE ON TO THE CALL FOR EXAMINATION MOTION PAST.
YOU ONLY HAVE TO, AFTER THE MOTION, MAKE SURE WE DO THE BOAT IS NOT A REAL COP, RIGHT? ALL IN FAVOR.
WHEN WE GO TO THE NEXT TO THE CALL FOR EXAMINATIONS, WE HAVE THE, UH, ASSISTANT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
WE HAVE THE CHIEF FIRE INVESTIGATION, THE DISTRICT FIRE, CHIEF, THE FIRE CAPTAIN FIRE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS TOO.
AND THE FIRE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS THREE DIDN'T WE, THEN WE CAN CALL FOR THE FIRE CABINS TEST ARRAIGNMENTS PEN PEN, AND WE CALL FOR THE FIRE CAPTAIN DESKTOP ALREADY.
PERHAPS I DON'T HAVE THAT RECORD IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.
IT WOULD BE, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL AND IT WAS SENT TO THE STATE EXAMINERS OFFICE.
AND WE HAVE A IF THAT WAS MY OVERSIGHT, PLEASE TAKE IT OFF THE LIST.
WHICH ONE DID YOU SAY? I KNOW, I KNOW PERHAPS IT WAS ON MY CALENDAR OUT, BUT THE DATE WAS, UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO STRIKE THE FIRE CAPTAIN.
UH, SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO CALL FOR THE EXAM WITHOUT THE FIRE CAMP.
WE APPROVE THE CALL EXAMS, ALL OF THEM
SO IT WAS MOVED BY PRESS SECOND BY MACHINERY, ALL IN FAVOR, ALL IN FAVOR.
WE DO HAVE A CHANGE TO ITEM FIVE.
WE, UH, WE'D LIKE TO ADD A B THE B IS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR FIRE CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION, WHICH WE HAVE 10 APPLICANTS,
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11, WELL, 11, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEPARATE IT BECAUSE ONE OF THE APPLICANTS IS OUR BOARD MEMBER.SO HE'LL HAVE TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THE VOTE AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER, BUT ON MINE, I RECUSED MYSELF FROM BOOT ON MY, SO THE, UH, THE EXAMINATION SCORES OR POLICE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER, ONE WAY OF TWO OR POLICE FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN.
WE HAVE ONE OR ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF.
WE HAVE ONE OR CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE ANALYST.
WE HAVE ONE OR POLICE CRIMINAL INFORMATION SPECIALIST.
WE HAVE ONE FOR FIRE APPARATUS TECHNICIAN.
WE HAVE ONE WHERE CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE 10, WE HAVE 11.
UM, SO HOW WOULD WE MAKE THAT TO THE FIRST TEAM? UH, IRONICALLY, WE JUST DEALT WITH THIS ALEXANDRIA.
UM, IT WOULD NOT IT'S BEST PRACTICE TO TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE, AND THEN, UH, HAVE MR. SMITH EXCUSE OR ABSTAIN ACTUALLY.
UH, BUT IF HE VOTED, IT'S REALLY NOT THE END OF THE WORLD AND HE'S NOT CHANGING THE DYNAMICS OF THE SCORE.
IT IS WHAT IT IS, IS MY POINT.
SO IS THERE A MOTION SO THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY PRECEDENT, UH, SECONDED BY MS. SHERRY.
UH, WE CALL FOR A VOTE, JOHN SMITH.
I'M RECUSING MYSELF, ABSTAIN ABSTAIN.
SO NEXT WE HAVE ITEM SIX, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CLASS OF CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE ANALYST.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM POLICE THAT CAME.
AND WHILE HE'S COMING UP HERE, UH, IF THE BOARD DESIRES THAT THERE CAN BE A MOTION TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER.
GOOD MORNING, DEPUTY CHIEF MYRON DANGLES BATTERIES, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS REQUEST WAS TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT OF, UH, TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
AND WE WERE HOPING THAT THE BOARD WILL PLEASE CONSIDER TO HAVE THAT DONE FOR YOU.
THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE, ACTUALLY BASED OFF OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND OUR IDEAS, WE DON'T THINK THAT THE TWO YEARS MANDATORY EXPERIENCE IS NEEDED, UH, TO ACTUALLY FULFILL THE POSITION.
SO YOU'RE REMOVING ALL TIME REQUIREMENTS, NOT GOING FROM TWO TO ONE ALL THE TIME REQUIRED.
SO SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE IN A MEMBER TO THE JOB SPECS, UM, THEY DO A 30 DAY POST, CORRECT? YOU NEED A MOTION TO CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, I MOVED THAT WE CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CHANGE OUT SECONDARY.
UH, IT WAS MOVED BY PRESSURE WAS SECONDED BY JOHN TO, UH, TO, TO, UH, AMEND THE REQUIREMENTS TO THE CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS AND, UH, THE 30 DO A 30 DAY POSTING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ON THE CHANGE WE HAVE TO POST IT FOR THE 30 DAYS.
CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? VOTE ON THE MOTION.
WELL, THE CHAMPION THE 30 DAY POST.
MOTION PASSES TO THEREFORE WE WILL HAVE A 30 DAY POSTING WITH THE FIRST AVAILABLE.
SO IT WILL BE POSTED AS OF JUST WHENEVER MS. PENNY, MY CALENDAR.
IF I ASKED YOU TOMORROW, IT STARTS TOMORROW.
IF I HAVE COMPUTER USAGE, I'M SURE IT CAN BEGIN THIS AFTERNOON HAS TO WAIT TILL TOMORROW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
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OKAY.THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO REVISE THE ROLL CALL FOR THE CLASS OF FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS ABOUT MS. PENNY, THE DOCUMENTS IN YOUR BINDER.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE LOOK AT THOSE FOR MR. MCCOY AND MR. WILLIAMS, INITIALLY THE TWO APPLICANTS WERE DISQUALIFIED.
THEY DID NOT PROVIDE THE, THEY DID NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WAS TO PROVIDE A COPY OF THEIR VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE.
ALONG WITH THEIR PROMOTIONAL APPLICATION, THEY CONTACTED THE OFFICE, THEY CAME INTO THE OFFICE.
WE VERIFIED THAT THEY DID DO, AS THEY SAID THEY DID.
I, I DO REMEMBER EXCUSE ME, THAT THERE WAS A GLITCH IN THE SYSTEM TO WHERE THEY SUBMITTED THE INFORMATION WITH THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE, BUT IT NEVER CAME.
AND THEN UP ON INVESTIGATING, IT SAID, HEY, LOOK, THESE GOT CAUGHT UP AND THEY SUBMITTED THE INFORMATION.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS ADD THEM.
I'VE WRITTEN TWO FIREFIGHTERS TO THE FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, TEST ROLL CALL BECAUSE OF A GLITCH.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND BY SHARON? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SO NEXT WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR APPEAL HEARING, UH, THOMAS TOWN TOWNSON, AND IT WAS THE NOTICE OF INVESTIGATION.
I WILL HAVE MR. JOSHUA, MR. TOWNSEND PRESENT.
MS. THOMPSON, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS THOMAS 3 0 2 5 0 STAFFORD STREET AND WALKER TRAIN AN OFFICER BATTERY FIRE DEPARTMENT.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REQUESTING.
I WAS GIVEN A RECOMMENDATION FOR DISCIPLINARY ACTION.
I BELIEVE ON, I SUBMITTED THAT WITH MS. PENNY, SO Y'ALL COULD HAVE A RECORD OF IT ON FEBRUARY 22ND.
I WANT TO SAY, BUT WAS NOT NOTIFIED UNTIL MARCH.
THE SECOND OF THAT OFFICIAL UP THEN I WASN'T SERVED WITH NOTICE OF INVESTIGATION ON MARCH, UH, MARCH 10TH, BUT IT SAID THE INVESTIGATION WAS ALREADY STARTED ON MARCH 8TH.
SO THEREFORE IT VIOLATED MY FIREFIGHTER BILL OF RIGHTS BECAUSE THEY ALREADY STARTED AN INVESTIGATION, BUT I WAS NOT FORMALLY NOTIFIED.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT? YEAH, IT'S FIRE CHIEF COMPETITORS, FIVE POINT MICHAEL KIMBALL.
UM, WE HAD RECEIVED A DISCIPLINARY FORM.
GIVE THE GENTLEMAN HERE LETTER OF INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW.
JUST LET ME KNOW THAT HE'S UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR AN INFRACTION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
HAS MR. TOWNSEND BEEN DISCIPLINED AT ALL? NOT AT ALL.
NO INTERROGATION OF INTERVIEWS DOESN'T HAVE BEEN DONE AS OF YET.
OKAY GUYS, JUST LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTS WE HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE INVESTIGATION IS JUST BEGINNING AND THAT THERE ACTUALLY HASN'T BEEN A DISCIPLINARY ACTION AT THIS POINT.
UH, AND WHAT THE BOARD HAS JURISDICTION ON IS CORRECTIVE AND DISCIPLINARY ACTION.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN HEAR THE, UH, THE APPEAL AT THIS POINT.
NOW, IF SOMETHING DOES COME OF IT AND THERE'S A DISCIPLINE AND OF COURSE, MR. TOWNSEND CAN, HE CAN APPEAL AT THAT POINT.
SO I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND THAT WE REJECT THIS APPEAL.
I SPOKE WITH THOMAS ON FRIDAY AND I GOT THE AGENDA.
AND JUST TO LET HIM KNOW THAT, UH, WE DON'T HEAR APPEALS ON THE LETTER OF, UH, INVESTIGATION, JUST ON THE DISCIPLINARY ACTION.
SO, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TRACK THE REQUEST FOR APPEAL, HEARING THOMAS TOWELS.
SECOND SECOND BY MR. PRES ALL IN FAVOR.
IF SOMETHING COMES FROM IT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, TO APPEAL.
UM, SO THE NEXT, NEXT ITEM, UH, CHIEF, WOULD YOU COME FORWARD? WE'D HAVE TO ASK, UH, IT WAS AN ASK OF THE OFFICER STATE EXAMINERS TO MOVE THE FIRE CAPTAIN EXAM EXAMINATION TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE TASTING DATE IN JUNE.
AND, UM, LET ME ASK YOU, HOW DID THIS ITEM MAKE IT, SORRY, CHAIRMAN.
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MY HELPING YOU WITH HIM PLEASE.AND APPLICANT REACHED OUT TO THE OFFICE OF STATE EXAMINER ASKING IF THE EXAM WAS MOVED, WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST ACCEPT THE NEAREST AND ACCEPTABLE DATE? AND THEY WERE GIVEN THE ADVICE THAT JUNE WOULD BE THE NEXT TIMEFRAME THAT THIS COULD BE RESCHEDULED.
I WAS JUST GOING OFF THE WORDING OF MY, MY ITEM AND SAYS TO ASK THE STATE, THE OFFICE OR THE STATE EXAMINER TO MOVE THE FIRE CAPTAIN EXAM TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE DAY.
SO WHY DOES THIS PERSON WANT TO WANT IT TO MOVE? IS IT COMMON PRACTICE THAT WE MOVE EXAMINATIONS FOR ONE PERSON? CAUSE HE'S GOING TO BE ON VACATION, BUT SEVERAL SORTS OF ALL, THE ONLY REASON THEY ALWAYS SEE WOULD MOVE AND EXAM AS IF THE APPLICANT WAS OUT ON MILITARY SERVICE, THIS IS AN EXEMPTION.
WE STRIKE NUMBER NINE FROM THE AGENDA AND WE UPHOLD THE APRIL 20TH, 2022 EXAM DATE.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TOO.
UM, I FACTOR THAT MOTION, RIGHT.
AND IT'S BEEN SECOND BY PRESS, UM, ALL IN FAVOR.
NEXT IS THE DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD WITH BOARD MEMBERS PREFER TO SCHEDULE A MEETING OR STACK APPEAL HEARINGS WITH THE SINGLE ROOM WITH A SINGLE WEEK.
AND SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK OR EVERY MONTH WE'LL HAVE IN OUR BINDER OR SHOULD IT BE A, UM, EXAMINATION SCHEDULE THAT TAKES US THROUGH THE REMAINING OF THE YEAR.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THOUGH WE PLEASANTLY, WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, THESE DISCIPLINES, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED BEFORE THEY GET TO US AND YOU KNOW, ON BOTH SIDES, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB OF WORKING IT OUT WITH THE, UH, THE EMPLOYEE.
SO, UM, I HOPE THAT TREND CONTINUES, BUT, UH, UH, ONE OPTION THAT WE HAVE IS TO EITHER DOUBLE UP OUR, OUR APPEAL HEARINGS OR, UH, HAVE AN ACTUAL SECOND MEETING IN THE MONTH.
SO IT'S EITHER TWO MEETINGS A MONTH OR WE'RE GOING TO STACK SOME OF THESE JUST TEMPORARILY TO GET OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR BACKLOG CLEAR TO MEET BACK AND LIKE STAY IN LIKE HAVING TO POSSIBLY POSITIVELY.
I'M NOT STAYING ONE O'CLOCK TOMORROW.
WELL, I TH I THINK ONE COULD BE AN OPTION IF WE, IF WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS, THEN POSSIBLY WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THE ASSERTION THAT AT THAT, WHETHER WE COULD BE, WE COULD KIND OF PUT TWO OF THEM TOGETHER.
I BE HERE AS LONG, BUT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DO WE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION? SO I GUESS, UM, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. SMITH IS SAYING.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS, DOES THE BOARD HAVE A PREFERENCE AS TO HOW THOSE ARE SCHEDULED SO THAT WE CAN LET, UH, ATTORNEYS KNOW THAT, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
AND THERE'S THE VENUE AVAILABLE? THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
WELL, I THINK THERE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE TIME, BUT ONE TO NOTIFY PUBLIC, GO HAVE THE NEXT MEETING OR TO CHECK THE VENUE IN THREE TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JUDGE ON TIME CONSTRAINTS OF IT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, CAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS AGAIN, ARE VOLUNTEERS AND TAKEN OUT OF YOUR, YOUR DAY, UM, WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE THIRD, MONDAY, I KNOW WE DO THE LAST MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING, BUT JUST THIRD MONDAY, OR FRANKLY, I, I PREFER TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO MEET YOU.
I DO OTHER STUFF THAT REQUIRE MY TIME AS WELL.
SO I WOULD PREFER US TO HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING AND NO ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE SO I CAN SCHEDULE IT PROBABLY WHAT'D YOU LIKE AT THE SAME WEEK OR WOULD YOU LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I'M THINK I'M FLEXIBLE IN THAT SENSE.
I PREFER WE KEEP IT TO ONCE A MONTH, BUT IF WE HAVE TO LIVE UP, IF WE DID THE FOLLOWING DAY, THE NEXT, THE NEXT DAY, ANOTHER ONE, THAT WOULD BE PRETTY, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG, HOW LONG WAS IT GOING TO TAKE THE KITCHEN? SO, WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, UH, JUST WITH POLICE ALONE TAKES US, WE'RE SCHEDULED EVERY MEETING UNTIL SEPTEMBER, BUT AT SIX MONTHS THAT'S FINE.
UM, BUT THE NEXT DAY I DON'T CARE.
JUST, I'M NOT STAYING PAST 7:00 PM.
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ON THE MAY MEETING THE MR. CAMARILLO, THE ATTORNEYS INVOLVED, IT WAS LETTING ME KNOW THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE INCIDENTS AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT WILL BE DONE IN ONE DAY.AND I'VE EXPRESSED MR. SMITH'S CONCERN THAT HE'S NOT STAYING TILL ONE O'CLOCK UM, THEY HAVE, LET ME KNOW THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE THE NEXT DAY, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S UP FOR YOU GUYS, UM, ON THAT MAY 23RD DAY, IF YOU GUYS WOULD WANT TO DO THAT MAY 24TH, BOTH OF THOSE ATTORNEYS ARE AVAILABLE.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO DECIDE BECAUSE THE ATTORNEYS AREN'T HERE THEY THEY'VE INDICATED THEIR AVAILABILITY FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
I WAS THINKING OF THE WHOLE SCHEDULE.
I GOSH, 10 OF US MEETING, BUT I, I GUESS WE HAVE A LOT OF TIME IN BETWEEN NOW WHEN YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE PROBABLY 60 DAYS OUT TO GET WITH THOSE ATTORNEYS TO SAY, HEY LOOK, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO THE FOLLOWING DAY? RIGHT.
SO ACTUALLY WE CAN'T SET THE DATE NOW.
NO, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN SET FOR MAY TO ADD THE MAY 24TH DAY.
I KNOW THAT THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TWO OR THREE OUT RIGHT NOW.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AT LEAST TWO OF THEM WILL MAYBE BE WORKED OUT.
SO THERE'S ONLY TWO OUTSTANDINGS AS MY GREAT.
AND IF THOSE TWO GET WORKED OUT, I THINK THAT EASES THE, UH, THE CASE LOAD.
SO, UH, I GUESS WE ENDED UP WITH TWO MOTIONS.
UH, ONE WOULD BE TO, UH, ADD A SECOND BOARD MEETING IMMEDIATELY THE DAY AFTER ON MAY 24TH, TWO MOTIONS, NOT TWO MOTIONS JUST HAVING AT WHICH POINT.
NO, NO, NO, BUT WE ALSO, WE HAVE THE APPEALS.
WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE MAY 24TH THE SECOND DAY.
UH, I'LL MOVE THAT WE HAD THE SECOND DAY TODAY, MAY 23RD, UH, APPEAL HEARING, WHICH WOULD BE MAY 24TH.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, A SECOND BY MR. SMITH.
MOTION PASSES EVERY SECOND MOTION.
THAT'S THE ONE, UM, TO, I GUESS, SCHEDULE A SECOND MEETING IF NEED BE TO CATCH UP.
AS NEEDED, WE'LL SAY AS MEETING.
SO THE MOTION WOULD BE, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO, UM, USE OUR DISCRETION TO HAVE A SECOND MEETING AS NEEDED, UH, TO CLEAR CASE LOADS THE DAY FOLLOWING OUR ORIGINAL SCHEDULED MEETING.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND NIGHT? ALRIGHT.
THAT'S PLENTY TO CHECK ON THE PENNY.
COULD YOU CHECK ON THE AVAILABILITY OF THE VENUE OR MAY 24TH AT 10 30 AND UH, POSSIBLY, UH, SCHEDULING OUT THE NEXT THREE DAYS AFTER OUR ORIGINALLY BOARD MEETING.
SO THAT WOULD BE FOR MAY, JUNE AND JULY TO SEE IF THE FOLLOWING DAYS AT THAT TIME WOULD BE READY, AVAILABLE.
MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM, UH, AGENDA ITEM 11 IS THE DISCUSSION OF BOARD RULES AS THE RELATE TO APPEAL HEARING.
I ASKED BRANDON TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
I KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHEN I BROUGHT ON PART, WHEN I WAS BROUGHT ON PART OF THE ISSUE WAS THAT THESE APPEALS WERE LASTING WAY TOO LONG.
UM, SO MY HOPE IS TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD TO LOOK AT THE BOARD RULES, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF STREAMLINING THE PROCESS, UH, GETTING EXHIBITS IN THE RULES ALREADY PROVIDE FOR, UH, GETTING WITNESS LISTS AND SUBPOENAS, BUT ACTUALLY GETTING DOCUMENTS AND MAYBE EVEN A PRE APPEALED CONFERENCE WITH ME AND THE ATTORNEYS OR ME AND THE, UH, ATTORNEY THE APPELLANT.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN STREAMLINE THE ISSUES.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, GET PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD BEFORE I STARTED REALLY DIGGING INTO THAT.
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OKAY.SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED, UM, PRESS, PRESS.
IT WAS VOTED BY JOHN SECONDED BY PRESS AND, UM, WE'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.
ITEM, NUMBER 12, APPEAL HEARING WITH JOEL GOWDY AND THE LETTER OF REPRIMAND AND CHIEF.
I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS TO RESOLVE THAT MATTER.
I TALKED TO MS. DOGGY OUT OUR PARISH ATTORNEY.
SHE SAID THAT SHE HAD BEEN A CONVERSATION WITH MR. GALLEY AND WE COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THAT.
AND UH, I GUESS WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE JUST RESCINDED THE LETTER OF REC REPRIMAND.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.
SO, UH, BOARD, UM, THE STATE EXAMINER BELIEVES WE SHOULD JUST ADOPT THEIR SETTLEMENT BY OR APPROVE THEIR SETTLEMENT.
WE APPROVED THE ABSORPTION OF THE LETTER REPRIMAND BY THE FIRE CHIEF THE SECOND, SECOND BY PRESS ALL IN FAVOR.
NOW ITEM NUMBER 13 HAS BEEN, UH, EXCUSE ME, WE'VE GOT ONE QUESTION IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE A LETTER THAT WAS SIGNED BY MYSELF, MR. GALLEY, AND OUR PARISH ATTORNEY WOULD Y'ALL WANT THAT IN FOR FUTURE REFERENCES, PROVIDE Y'ALL WITH THAT.
THEY BASICALLY HAVE A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND AT THE BOTTOM, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS PLACED A SIGNATURE LINE FOR THE CHAIR THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
SO YOU'RE A SIGNATURE JUST REFLECT THAT THE BOARD IS APPROVED.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THAT FOR THE FIRE AS WELL.
YOUR CONSENT DISCIPLINE ADVOCATE, UH, FOR THE POLICE FORCE OR THE POLICE, UH, RATHER CHAIR.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NECESSARY.
I THINK YOU SIGNED OFF ON IT WHEN WE CORRECTED THROUGH THE BAF.
SO YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANT, BUT I THINK IT'S ALREADY THERE.
AND DOES THE PAF ALWAYS COME BACK TO US WITH THE OH, BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE THE, UH, IF IT'S IN A CHANGE TO THE PAY OR WHATEVER YES.
EVERY AMENDMENT OR WHATEVER, ASKED TO COME BEFORE YOU, WHEN WE SUBMIT THOSE WELL, SO WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS I ACTUALLY AGREE THAT THEY DO COME IN PERSONNEL ACTION FORM AND THEY ARE APPROVED.
THE STATE EXAMINER TAKES A DIFFERENT POSITION THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE EVERY, A MODIFICATION OF THE DISCIPLINE AFTER ITS ISSUE.
SO I, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT, WHAT DOES THE BOARD WANT TO DO ON THAT ONE? THE PAS EFFICIENT.
SO TO YOUR POINT THEN MAYBE THE PAF SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE FIRE AS WELL.
THANK YOU WITH THE STATE EXAMINER THINKS OTHERWISE, I MEAN, IS THAT WHY AS OPPOSED TO DO YOU KNOW THEM? SO, UM, IT'S FUNNY TO DISAGREE WITH THE STATE EXAMINED ON THE RECORD, UM, TO THE OFFICER'S POINT MYRON'S POINT WHEN IT COMES BACK BEFORE THE BOARD, IT'S ON A PERSONNEL ACTION FORM.
SO YOU GUYS TECHNICALLY APPROVE IT AT THAT POINT, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT, THEN, I MEAN, OF COURSE YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS IT AT THAT POINT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS FOR THAT.
I THINK WE'RE JUST CREATING MORE PAPERWORK FOR MS. PENNY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT REFLECTS THAT, UM, I'VE NOT SEEN ANY OTHER JURISDICTION DO IT THE WAY OF THE STATE EXAMINER HIS ASS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WHEN I SETTLED HIM IN ALEXANDRIA OR WE JUST GO UP AND SAY, HEY, IT'S SETTLED.
YOU'LL SEE THE PAF NEVER HAD AN ISSUE IN NEARLY 10 YEARS.
JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY IN THIS SITUATION, MR. GADDY WAS A LETTER OF REPRIMAND, SO WE DON'T DO A PERSONAL ACTION FORM MAKES SENSE IN THIS SITUATION.
SO HOW WOULD YOU LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD? THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT, UH, SITUATION TO THE FLOOR, RIGHT.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE STATE EXAMINERS OFFICE NEEDS US TO DO? LIKE A PIECE OF PAPER SAYING THAT THEY AGREED TO THAT A WOMAN? NO.
IN FRONT OF POLICE SIDE, WE SETTLED QUITE A FEW OF THESE, UH, THROUGH CONSENT DISCIPLINES.
AND USUALLY ALL THAT HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR THE BOARD IS FOR THE PERSON WHO, UH, INITIATED OR REQUESTED THE APPEAL TO COME IN, WITHDRAW THEIR APPEAL.
AND THAT NORMALLY SETTLED EVERYTHING.
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WE WENT TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PERSONNEL ACTION FORM, NOT BEING REQUIRED FOR A LETTER OF REPRIMAND.THE GOOD THING ABOUT, UH, YOU GUYS AND MS.
SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE A PORTRAYAL OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, THAT'S GOING TO WORK AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD WILL KNOW IF WE NEED TO BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD LIKE THIS, LIKE THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
MOVING ON TO NUMBER 13, WHICH PREVIOUSLY WAS ENTITLED EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, WE HAVE CHANGED THAT TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR FIRE INVEST INVESTIGATOR AND, UM, MR. SMITH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
LAST MONTH WE HAD CALLED FOR THE FIRE INVESTIGATOR TEST AND I DISQUALIFIED JOSHUA MITCHELL.
THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART.
AND I WANT TO MOVE THAT WE QUALIFIED JOSHUA MITCHELL AND ADD THEM TO THE ROLL CALL FOR THE FIRE INVESTIGATOR TEST CHAIRMAN ASSISTANT ADD ON YES, MA'AM IT.
WASN'T PUT ON THE AGENDA AN ANA.
WE NEED TO STILL BE VOTED VOTE TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA.
ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT A SECOND, SECOND.
UM, SO IT WAS, UM, MOTION PASSES.
ALL, ALL OPPOSED MOTION PASSES, UH, PASSES THAT YOU NAMED THEM ASLEEP.
SO THE ITEM IS NOW ADDED TO THE AGENDA.
SO NOW I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT JOSHUA MITCHELL'S APPLICATION TO FIRE INVESTIGATOR AND WISH TO ADD HIM TO THE ROLL CALL.
SO IT'S MOVED BY JOHN SECOND BY SHARON, UM, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED MOTION PASSES.
NEXT, WE HAVE A LEGAL UPDATE FOR THE POLICE CHIEF VERSUS THE, UH, MUNICIPAL POLICE AND FIRE MUNICIPAL SERVICE SERVICE BOARD.
UM, SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE'S A PENDING, UH, INJUNCTION HEARING.
UH, THE INJUNCTION HEARING DID NOT GO FORWARD ON, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MARCH 8TH AND SCHEDULED.
UH, THERE WERE SOME SCHEDULING ISSUES WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND ALSO, UM, I THINK I CAN SAY THIS WITHOUT BEING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, UM, OPPOSING COUNSEL.
UM, I EXPRESSED MY VIEW THAT THE RELIEF THAT HE'S REQUESTING IS IN THE WRONG PLACE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER REQUESTS OR THAT THEY WANT.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BRING IT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD BECAUSE THE DISTRICT COURT IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE WHERE IT'S APPEALED TO IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE BOARD DECISION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY OPPOSING COUNSEL, UH, DISAGREES WITH ME.
UM, AND I THINK THERE'S CLEAR ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS.
UM, FRANKLY, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF PUBLIC FUNDS FIGHTING, UH, NUANCED LEGAL ARGUMENTS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHIEF'S ATTORNEYS, UH, PLAN TO DO ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
UM, BUT I DID VOICE TO THEM THAT I THINK IT'S PREMATURE FOR THEM TO BE IN DISTRICT COURT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
UH, AT THIS POINT, UM, THE INVESTIGATION IS SCHEDULED, UH, OR IT'S ON THE SCHEDULE FOR APRIL 25TH.
UM, WE SHOULD PROCEED, UH, BOTH SIDES HAVE MOTIONS PENDING RIGHT NOW, OR MOTION DATES PENDING.
SO I ASSUME THAT WE'LL BE GETTING SOME, SOME, UH, PAPERWORK FROM EVERYBODY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THE BOARD CAN MAKE A DECISION, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT ANY DISCUSSION.
THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO EVERY PAUL'S ARO.
JOHN DOES THE AIDS INVESTIGATION.
SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, SO MR. DOE TA IS NOT A PARTY TO THE INJUNCTION.
THAT'S JUST THE CHIEF ENJOINING THE BOARD, THE INJUNCTION PROCEEDINGS HAVE THREE DIFFERENT STEPS.
YOU HAVE THE TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER.
YOU HAVE THE PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION, YOU HAVE A PERMANENT INJUNCTION.
WHAT STOPPED US INITIALLY WAS THE TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER THAT EXPIRES AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
UH, THE HEARING THAT'S BEING DELAYED IS ACTUALLY A PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION.
UH, THAT'S REALLY LACK OF BETTER WORDS, AN EXTENSION OF THE TIARA.
UH, AND THEN EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE A FULL-SCALE TRIAL ON A PERMANENT INJUNCTION.
SO PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I'VE HAD IS HEY, TO THE EXTENT YOU'RE SEEKING RELIEF FROM THE DISTRICT
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COURT, DO THAT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE BOARD, BECAUSE OF COURSE, IF WE'RE WRONG AND WE'RE IN DISTRICT COURT FOR NO REASON, WE'VE ALL SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME FOR NO REASON.UM, NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'LL DO WITH THAT, BUT AS RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO PENDING DATES IN THE DISTRICT COURT.
AND, UH, WE'RE POISED TO MOVE FORWARD ON APRIL 25TH.
THIS BRINGS US TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS A GERMAN PROMOTION.