[Redistricting Map Meeting]
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UH, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
AND AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO PASS IT TO OUR ILLUSTRIOUS COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR.
ASHLEY, LET'S GIVE HER A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
LET'S GIVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE WHILE WE DO THAT.
I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE DO HAVE TO WORK IMMEDIATELY THE RULE.
THAT'S NOT GIVE THEM A OUTSTANDING STORY TO TELL SO EARLY ON IN THE AFFAIR, SO EARLY ON IN THE AFFAIR.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO WELCOME EVERYBODY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
UM, WE HAVE THE REGISTRAR VOTERS, UM, MR. STEVE RAYBURN HERE.
UM, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MIKE HEFNER.
HE IS THE DEMOGRAPHER WITH GEOGRAPHIC PLANNING AND DEMOGRAPHIC SERVICES, UM, WHICH IS THE COMPANY THAT THE CITY PARISH HAS RETAINED TO HELP US WITH THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS FOLLOWING THE 2020 CENSUS.
SO, UM, I AM GOING TO LET MR. HAFFNER TAKE IT FROM HERE.
THANK YOU, ASHLEY AND A CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
UM, I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH Y'ALL ON YOUR 2020 REDISTRICTING PLAN.
UH, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK BOTH YOU AND THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO FIND TO BE A VERY INFORMATIVE AND A VERY INTERACTIVE AND LEARNING EXPERIENCE AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PLANS AND DISCUSS IT, I DO THESE THINGS VERY INFORMALLY.
UH, IF YOU NEED TO COME UP AND LOOK AT THE MAP CLOSER, COME UP AND LOOK AT THE MAP.
IF YOU NEED TO PULL UP THE CHAIRS RIGHT UP HERE, OR TURN YOUR CHAIRS AROUND, TURN YOUR CHAIRS AROUND.
CAUSE IT CAN BE REALLY HARD TO SEE FROM OVER THERE.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE STREET DETAIL AND PRECINCT DETAIL AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, SAME THING FOR THE PUBLIC.
IF YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE MAP, COME UP TO THE MAP.
I WORK THESE THINGS LIKE A BRAINSTORMING SESSION.
UH, I CAN LOOK AT THIS STUFF IN MY OFFICE.
I CAN BALANCE OUT NUMBERS AND GEOGRAPHY, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE CONFIGURATION I HAVE IS THE BEST FOR THE PARISH OR THE BEST FOR THAT DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THESE ARE FOR TAKE THAT BASELINE THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT WE'LL START WALKING THROUGH AND MAKE CHANGES THAT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE REPRESENTATION OF THE PARISH.
UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, WHY ARE WE HERE? WELL, AFTER EACH CENSUS IS TAKEN, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR CURRENT ELECTION DISTRICTS AND SEE IF THEY'RE STILL BALANCED.
SO EVERYBODY REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU HAVE 12 DISTRICTS AND YOU'VE GOT A POPULATION OF 456,000 PEOPLE.
EACH OF THE, EACH DISTRICT SHOULD REPRESENT 38,000 PEOPLE.
AND SOME CHANGE GENERALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS TRY TO BALANCE THAT OUT BETWEEN A PLUS OR MINUS 5% OF THAT NUMBER.
THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE DETERMINATION.
THIS DETERMINES WHAT THE 2020 POPULATION IS FOR EACH OF THE CURRENT DISTRICTS NOW, AND WHETHER THEY'RE IN BALANCE OR NOT, AS YOU READ THIS CHART DISTRICT ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, AS A POPULATION OF 40,702 THAT'S 2,637 ABOVE THAT IDEAL AVERAGE OF 38,000 EXPRESS AS A PERCENTAGE THAT 2,600 IS ABOUT 6.9%.
THEN I HAVE THE BREAKOUT BY RACE.
THAT'S WHAT WE USE FOR REDISTRICTING THAT'S.
ANYBODY THAT ANSWERED BLACK AS A SINGLE OR A PART OF ANY OTHER RACE WHEN THEY DID THE CENSUS.
CAUSE THIS IS ALL BASED ON CENSUS NUMBERS.
UH, AND THEN IT GIVES THE, UH, THE, UH, VOTING AGE POPULATION VOTING AGE POPULATION VAP.
SO ANYBODY THAT WAS 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER AS OF APRIL 1ST, 2020, THEY WERE ELIGIBLE TO REGISTER TO VOTE.
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY DID REGISTER TO VOTE.
IT'S YOUR VOTING AGE POPULATION, WHETHER THEY'RE REGISTERED OR NOT.
SO THAT'S WHAT VAP STANDS FOR.
VOTING AGE POPULATION ARE 18 PLUS, AS YOU SEE HERE.
SO WE'RE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE HAD ONE DISTRICT OUTSIDE THE PLUS A MINUS FIVE, THAT ALONG WITH TRIGGER REDISTRICTING, AND LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT TWO, UH, TWO WAS 6,800 BELOW THAT AVERAGE EXPRESS AS A PERCENTAGE WAS 17.9%.
SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE LINE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE GOT A PLUS 19 MINUS NINE AND MINUS 10, A PLUS 11.
SO OUR DISTRICTS OUT OF BALANCE.
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ASHLEY? I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN FIVE MINUTES IN.I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND I'M WAITING FOR MY TIMEKEEPER TO TELL ME I CAN START AGAIN.
SO YOU SEE, WE HAVE IMBALANCES.
HOW DO WE REBALANCE REMOVE DISTRICT LINES, REMOVE DISTRICT LINES, INCLUDE POPULATION OR TAKE POPULATION OUT THAT'S REDISTRICTING REAR, BASICALLY REDISTRICTING OR REDRAW ON THE ELECTION DISTRICTS.
SO FIRST THING I DO ON THAT IS I TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO BALANCE IT OUT? AND THAT'S WHAT THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN IS.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED AN ILLUSTRATOR PANEL.
HE WANTED YOU TO SEE OR GET AN IDEA HOW THE DISTRICTS ARE GENERALLY GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE IN ORDER TO REBALANCE POPULATION, NOT ALL YOUR POPULATION'S EVENLY DISTRIBUTED.
SO YOU MIGHT PICK UP A LITTLE AREA HERE AND LOSE A LITTLE BIT.
THERE MIGHT PICK UP TWO OR THREE SMALL AREAS AND LOSE A LARGER ONE.
WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE NUMBERS TELL US, WE NEED TO DO THE LINES THAT YOU SEE.
LET ME TAKE THE STREETS OFF FOR A MOMENT.
OKAY? THE BROWN OUTLINE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE ARE THE CURRENT DISTRICT BOUNDARIES UNDER A LEFT TO PLAN ONE.
THE COLORED DISTRICTS SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE DISTRICTS HAVE CHANGED.
THAT'S JUST TO GET TO THESE NUMBERS THAT WE SEE RIGHT HERE.
YOU MAY LOVE YOUR DISTRICT MAY HATE YOUR DISTRICT MAY SAY I LIKE MOST OF IT, EXCEPT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT IF WE CHANGED SOME THINGS AROUND AND THAT'S WHAT THE SOFTWARE'S FOR.
FOR EXAMPLE, TO REMEMBER, TWO WAS LOW ON OUR CHART.
ONE WAS A LITTLE HIGH, WAS IT PLUS SIX.
SO THAT TELLS ME, I ONCE GOT TO GIVE UP POPULATION.
IT CAN GIVE MAYBE TO FOUR, BUT WE KNOW TWO NEEDS POPULATION.
LET'S SEE ABOUT MOVING THAT UP, WHERE THAT YELLOW OR THAT GOLD ON DISTRICT TWO GOES OVER THAT BROWN LINE.
THAT'S THE POPULATION THAT IS PICKING UP NOW ON OUR PLAN.
WE CAN CERTAINLY ZOOM RIGHT ON HIM.
WE CAN PICK UP OUR STREET DETAIL AS WE GO IN AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT AREAS THAT WE'RE PICKING UP.
OKAY? WE CAN EVEN CALCULATE WHAT AREAS WE'RE PICKING UP AS FAR AS POPULATION.
BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE CHANGES, WE HAVE TWO LEVELS OF GEOGRAPHY THAT WE USE.
STATE LAW SAYS YOU'LL USE PRECINCTS TO THE WHOLE PRECINCT, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT THAT YOU CAN.
IF YOU CAN'T CREATE YOUR PLAN AND FOLLOW ALL THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND STATE STATUTES AND WHATNOT, THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SPLIT A PRECINCT NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE THE PARISH GOVERNING AUTHORITY.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN CHARGE OF PRECINCTS.
SO WHERE WE SPLIT A PRECINCT, WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A NEW ONE.
SO IF WE DIVIDE ONE OF THESE, WE'LL END UP CREATING TWO PRECINCTS OUT OF IT BECAUSE STATE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO ADOPT YOUR PLAN USING WHOLE PRECINCTS.
AND THAT'S WHY SCHOOL BOARD CAN'T.
SO ON THE BOARD PLAN, THEY'RE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE PRECINCT SPLITS PER DISTRICT.
THEY CAN'T DO FOUR AND THEY CAN'T SPLIT A PRECINCT BETWEEN MORE THAN TWO DISTRICTS.
SO THEY HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS ON THERE'S AN ESSENCE.
BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I'M GOING TO KIND OF KEEP MINDFUL OF SOME AREAS THAT, ALL RIGHT, IF WE DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE SPLITTING A PRECINCT THAT PRECINCT MIGHT HAVE 50 PEOPLE IN IT.
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO CREATE A PRECINCT WITH 50 PEOPLE IN IT? UH, UH, MY JOB PART OF MY JOB IS TO HELP KEEP YOUR PRECINCTS, YOUR NEW PRECINCTS, A MINIMUM, BECAUSE THAT ADDS TO YOUR ELECTION COSTS.
EVERY PRECINCT YOU CREATE, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE ANOTHER SET OF COMMISSIONERS, THE WHOLE RIGOR MOREAU THAT'S 1500 TO 3,500 DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU SHOULD COST SHARING OR YOU PICK UP THE WHOLE THING.
SO I KNOW YOU'D RATHER PUT YOUR MONEY IN SERVICES THAN COMMISSIONERS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THAT TO A MINIMUM, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO LET THAT STOP US FROM GETTING A GOOD PLAN.
THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PEOPLE.
I, WHAT DO WE DO IF WE HAVE TO SPLIT A PRECINCT? WELL, FOR THAT, WE USE CENSUS BLOCKS.
CENSUS BLOCKS ARE THE SMALLEST GEOGRAPHIC UNIT.
THE CENSUS COLLECTS DATA FOR AND BY LAW, WE HAVE TO DO, I'M GONNA TURN THE STREETS OFF FOR A MINUTE.
THESE ARE CENSUS BLOCKS THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE IN TOWN.
THEY'RE BASICALLY CITY BLOCK, RESIDENTIAL BLOCK THEY'RE BOUNDED BY PHYSICAL FEATURES.
THEY COLLECT THAT DATA AT THE CENSUS BLOCK LEVEL.
THEY ADD CENSUS BLOCKS UP TO MAKE PRECINCTS FOR OUR GEOGRAPHY.
HERE, WE ADD UP PRECINCTS, CREATE DISTRICTS,
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DISTRICTS, CREATE YOUR DISTRICT, YOUR WHOLE PARISH PLAN.SO WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, UH, COLLECT THE DATA, IN FACT, IF YOU STILL HAD A COPY OF YOUR, UM, OF YOUR CENSUS FORM, EVERY ADDRESS IS CODED TO A CENSUS BLOCK.
THERE'S A LONG DIGIT TELLS THE CENSUS BUREAU, WHAT CENSUS BLOCK YOU IN WHAT BLOCK GROUP? YOU'RE IN WHAT TRACK YOU'RE IN WITH PRECINCT YOU AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT'S HOW THEY KEY THAT DATA.
THAT'S HOW THEY COLLECT THAT DATA.
NOW, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T ANSWER THE CENSUS, THEY GET THE CENSUS FORM TO ANSWER.
THEY'RE NOT COUNTING THESE NUMBERS.
SO WE HAVE SOME UNDERCOUNTS BECAUSE OF COVID-19 A LOT OF PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY IN THE MINORITY COMMUNITY, NATIONALLY MINORITIES TYPICALLY GET UNDER COUNTED IN CENSUS COUNTS.
IT WAS MADE EVEN WORSE WITH THE 2020 COVID BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM WOULD WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO COME KNOCK ON THEIR DOOR AND SAY, WE SEE YOU HAVEN'T FILLED OUT THE FORM YET.
CAN WE GET THE DATA? AND CAN WE GET THE INFORMATION NOW? SURE.
I'VE GOT FIVE PEOPLE IN MY HOUSEHOLD.
SO ON AND SO FORTH, THEY HAD A THREE-WEEK PERIOD THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET CENSUS TAKERS OUT AND KNOCKING ON DOORS.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THEY FOUND OUT STRANGER COMES AND KNOCKS ON THE DOOR.
SO EVEN WHEN THEY WENT OUT, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO COLLECT MUCH DATA.
SO I THINK IT HURT THE MINORITY COMMUNITIES MORE IN THESE NUMBERS.
UM, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME, A LITTLE HIGH-LEVEL ANALYSIS TO KIND OF VERIFY THAT, BUT WHEN WE SPLIT PRECINCTS, WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THESE CENSUS BLOCK NUMBERS.
AND AS I CLICK ON THIS AND Y'ALL GOING TO GET REAL ADEPT AT THIS, UH, HERE PRETTY QUICK, THIS LITTLE WINDOW RIGHT HERE, TRACKS WHAT'S IN THAT AREA, RED.
THAT'S WHAT THE SOFTWARE DOES FOR US.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS AREA IN RED AND I CAN PUT STREETS ON.
SO WE KNOW WHAT THE HECK IS, WHERE IT IS.
UM, THAT TELLS ME IN THAT AREA IN RED, THIS 943 PEOPLE.
AND OUT OF THAT, WE HAVE A, A CHANGE OF, UH, WHITE OF NINE PEOPLE, UH, CHANGE IN ANY PART, BLACK OF 903.
UM, I'M READING DOWN THESE LITTLE LINES RIGHT HERE, OR AS A PERCENTAGE, 21.13, UH, THIS WOULD TELL ME IF I ASSIGN THIS TO ANOTHER DISTRICT, WHAT IT WOULD DO TO THE DEVIATIONS.
SO THIS IS GOING TO HELP US KEEP TRACK OF ALL THIS AS WE GO THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT MODELS AND SUGGESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL, IT'S A SOFTWARE DO THE WORK.
I WANT TO CLEAR THAT OUT QUESTIONS, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THE THREE-PLUS BLACK BOX? YEAH.
MY QUESTION WAS THE BLACK BOX THAT'S THERE.
NOW I'M LOOKING AT, OH, YOU GOT A DISTRICT FIVE DISTRICT 10.
I GET WHAT THE DISTRICT NUMBERS ARE, BUT THERE'S THREE PERCENTAGES.
DID YOU COVER WHAT THAT WAS? ARE YOU GETTING THERE? YOU'RE A HALF A STEP AHEAD.
UH, YEAH, I PUT THESE LABELS ON THERE SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF THINGS AS WE MOVE AROUND.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY LOOK AT THE BOX AS MUCH TOP NUMBER AND THE BLACK BOX IS A DISTRICT NUMBER.
THE SECOND NUMBER IS THE PERCENTAGE OF DEVIATION.
SO THAT TELLS ME IF WE'RE PLUS OR MINUS 5%, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY, BUT AS LARGE AS BATON ROUGE IS EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH IS YOU REALLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP IT WITHIN A GENERALLY A PLUS A MINUS 5% RANGE, 5.5, 5.8, NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP IT IN THAT 5% RANGE.
RIGHT? THE THIRD NUMBER IS THE PERCENTAGE OF, BY ANY PART BLOCK, THAT'S MOSTLY FOR OUR TRADITIONAL MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TRACKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING THINGS THAT WOULD HURT THOSE MINORITY NUMBERS.
IF ANYTHING WE WANT TO TRY TO DO IS IMPROVE THOSE NUMBERS.
NOW THAT LITTLE BIT OF ANALYSIS IS THAT YELLOW NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM, THE FOURTH NUMBER 91.28 IN DISTRICT FIVE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE REGISTERED VOTERS UNDER THIS CONFIGURATION BASED ON THE AUGUST OF 2021, UH, REGISTERED VOTER DATABASE.
THIS IS THE SAME REGISTERED VOTER DATABASE.
THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS USING FOR THEIR, SO I WANTED TO USE THAT ONE.
IF YOU DECIDE TO COMPARE FOR SOME REASON, NORMALLY VOTING AGE POPULATION, 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER, WHETHER THEY'RE REGISTERED OR NOT IS NORMALLY 75% OF YOUR TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTING AGE POPULATION.
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YOU LOOK AT YOUR PERCENTAGES OF YOUR TOTAL POPULATION OF, OF 91 POINT 17%, ANY PART BLACK ON THE TOTAL POPULATION, ALL AGES 91.28 IS YOUR REGISTERED VOTERS, ACTUAL REGISTERED VOTERS.NORMALLY THAT IS ABOUT 65% OF THAT NUMBER.
SO THAT NORMALLY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DOWN, YOU KNOW, 60 SOMETHING PERCENT.
SO WHAT IT'S TELLING ME AS WE GOING THROUGH, WE KNOW THAT OUR CENSUS COUNTS ARE UNDER.
SO WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF WHAT ARE REGISTERED VOTERS ALL.
SO WE CAN MAINTAIN THE VIABILITY OF OUR MINORITY DISTRICTS.
SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE THAT NUMBER THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IN GOLD BECAUSE THAT'S REGISTERED VOTERS.
THAT'S NOT CENSUS DATA, WHITE NUMBERS OF CENSUS GOLD NUMBERS, REGISTERED VOTERS, ACTUAL REGISTERED BLACK REGISTERED VOTERS.
AND I HAVE IT FOR WHITE AND I HAVE IT FOR OTHER AND ANY OTHER CATEGORIES YOU WANT TO SEE, I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF CATEGORIES, BUT I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
SO IT DOESN'T GET TOO INVOLVED.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT PROPORTIONALITY.
PROPORTIONALITY IS HOW SHOULD THE MAKEUP, THE DEMOGRAPHIC MAKEUP OF THE COUNCIL MATCH WITH THE DEMOGRAPHIC MAKEUP OF THE DISTRICT IS.
AND TO DO THAT, WE TAKE THE TOTAL POPULATION AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS IS THIS'LL BE THE SAME, WHETHER IT'S ANY PLAN, BECAUSE IT ALL TOTALS UP TO THE SAME.
YOU HAVE A 46.7%, UH, ANY PART BLACK POPULATION IN THE PARISH.
YOU MULTIPLY THAT TIMES, THE 12 SEATS THAT TELLS YOU THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A RATIO OF 5.6 SEATS ON THE COUNCIL ROUND.
IT IT'S 5.5, FIVE AND A HALF, NO PART BLACK WOULD BE ALL THE OTHERS.
THOSE THAT ANSWERED THE CENSUS AS WHITE OR WHITE, A PART OF ANY OTHER RACE OR SINGLE RACE, ANYTHING OTHER THAN BLACK, THAT'S NO PART BLACK.
SO IT'S BASICALLY THE RECIPROCAL OF THAT.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE COUNCIL REPRESENT THE PROPORTION OF YOUR OVERALL POPULATION, YOU NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST A FIVE AND A HALF SEATS, BLACK, ANY PART BLACK, WHICH MEANS THAT ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS GOING TO BE A SWING DISTRICT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIVE AND A SIX WITH ONE DISTRICT AS A SWING DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY AN EQUAL CHANCE OF IT BEING WHITE OR BLACK, OR IT COULD BE ANYBODY ELSE.
THAT'D BE ASIAN, WHATEVER QUESTION IN THE BACK, HANG ON ONE SECOND.
I WANT TO GET A MICROPHONE OVER TO YOU.
THE FIRST ONE IS I'M KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT THE HALF SEAT PART.
LIKE IF YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING ON THE HALF SEAT, HOW THAT WORKS.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, UM, AS A DEI REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE FLAGSHIP IS PC TO SAY, HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED GROUPS, INSTEAD OF MINORITIES, I UNDERSTAND YOU GOTTA, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS ALMOST 40 YEARS.
SO SOME HABITS ARE KIND OF HARD TO BREAK.
AND I ALSO, A LOT OF TIMES I USE BLACK BECAUSE THAT'S THE CENSUS CATEGORY THAT WE USE.
OTHERS SORT SAY, WELL, PREFER YOU USE SOME OTHER TERMINOLOGY, BUT I WORK SO MUCH AT CENSUS DATA AND THAT'S A CATEGORIES, BUT IT'S A POINT WELL-TAKEN THE HALF THAT IT'S A PART OF A SEAT AND WHERE IT'S CLOSE TO A, A, TO THE MIDDLE, WE TRY TO GET ONE OF THE DISTRICTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE CALL A SWING DISTRICT.
IT'S BASICALLY A 50 50 DISTRICT.
SO THAT IS ALMOST EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR A WHITE OR BLACK TO BE ELECTED, BUT IT COULD BE ANYBODY ELSE TOO.
YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON THE CANDIDATES.
YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO THINK IT'S A QUALIFICATION OF THE CANDIDATES THAT MATTER THE MOST, BUT THAT'S HOW WE DO IT.
NOW, IF THAT WAS LIKE A 5.85, 5.75, THEN THAT WOULD ROUND UP TO A SIX.
BUT BECAUSE THOSE TWO ARE SO CLOSE TO THE MIDDLE, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AS A GROUP, WHICH DISTRICT WOULD BE THE MOST LIKELY IT'D BE MORE OF A SWING DISTRICT.
AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE TRENDS TO DO IT.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, SO YOUR PERCENTAGE OF WHITE IS 42.9%.
AND THEN, UM, ANY PART BLACK IS 46.7%.
SO WOULDN'T THAT SUGGEST THAT THERE WOULD BE SIX MAJORITY BLACK DISTRICTS AND FIVE MAJORITY WHITE DISTRICTS AND ONE SWING DISTRICT? NO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BLACK, IT'S A PROTECTED CLASS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO TRACK.
BLACK IS THE ONLY PROTECTED CLASS AND IT WOULD BE UNDER THE, ANY PART BLACK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE USE ON THE SECTION FIVE CRITERIA WE USED TO HAVE TO SUBMIT TO SECTION FIVE.
WE USE ANY PART BLACK, ANYBODY ANSWERED SINGLE OR PART OF ANY ERASE BLACK IS COUNTED.
AND THAT TOTAL, SO THAT'S 46.7%.
SO THAT'S HIGHER THAN THE PERCENTAGE OF WHITE.
YES, BUT NOT HIGHER THAN ANY NO PART BLOCK.
YOU'RE LUMPING, YOU'RE LUMPING THE OTHER NON-WHITES WITH THE WHITE FOLKS, THE NON-MINORITY DISTRICT.
IT'S A NON, YOU GOT TO TRACK YOUR MINORITY
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DISTRICT.THAT'S WHERE YOU PERCENTAGE COMES TO EVERYBODY ELSE IS, IS WHAT'S LEFT OVER THAT DEMOGRAPHIC STANDPOINT ON DOING THIS.
IT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THE BLOCK.
YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION WITH THE BLACK, BECAUSE BLACK IS A PROTECTED CLASS IN LOUISIANA.
UM, WHITES, NOT OTHER RACES ARE AMERICAN INDIANS, NOT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO YOU GOT TO AGGREGATE THOSE OTHERS INTO THEIR BASICALLY A NON-MINORITY DISTRICT.
WE'RE GOING TO GET A MIC OVER TO YOU AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME CONFUSION, BUT WHEN YOU DID IT BEFORE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT YOU LUMPED IN OTHERS.
AND WITH MINORITIES, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT HOW A MINORITY COULD WIN OR SOMEBODY ELSE COULD WIN THAT DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU, I THINK YOU'RE CONFUSING ME AND THE CROWD BY THE WAY.
IF IT'S OTHER MINORITY THAT COULD BE LIKE AMERICAN INDIAN, BUT YOU JUST SAID IT BEFORE THAT ONLY BLACK WAS PROTECTED.
SO MAKE SURE THAT WE SEPARATE THOSE WITH NON NPB VERSUS APB.
THAT'S WHERE YOU CONFUSE IN THE CROP.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, ANY PART, BLACK HAS ANYBODY THAT ANSWERED ON THEIR CENSUS FORM AS BLACK AS A SINGLE RACE OR PART OF ANY OTHER RACE THEY COULD HAVE CHECKED OFF ON BLACK AND AMERICAN, INDIAN, AND ASIAN, THAT WOULD GO INTO THE, ANY PART BLACK.
THEY COULD'VE CHECKED OFF BLACK.
SO THAT WOULD GO INTO ANY PART BLACK.
THEY COULD CHECK OFF ALL FIVE RACE CATEGORIES.
THAT WOULD BE AN ANTI PART, BLACK, THE NO PART BLACK HAS A CHECKOFF, ANYTHING EXCEPT BLACK.
THAT WOULD BE THE NON THAT'D BE THE NON-MINORITY NON-BLACK.
AND BASICALLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WITH THAT, WITH THAT POSSIBLE DISTRICT OR WHATEVER, THE ACTUAL VOTING OR THE STUFF LIKE THAT IS BALLING DOWN TO WHITE OR BLACK, THE REST OF THEM, IF I'M ASIAN, AMERICAN, LATINO, UM, INDIAN, UH, ANY OF THOSE COULD RUN.
THEY'RE JUST NOT GROUPED IN AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO ON YOUR STATISTICAL NUMBERS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IT'S BASED ON WHITE AND BLACK ON THESE NUMBERS, THE REST OF THEM, ANYBODY CAN RUN AND IT'S JUST, THIS DISTRICT WOULD HAVE A 50, 50 CHANCE OF EITHER BEING WHITE OR BLACK, OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE DID STEP UP.
SINCE WE'RE TRACKING THE BLACK NUMBERS ON ANY PART BLACK, YOU GET A WANT THAT DISTRICT TO BE 49, 50% SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD BE THE RECIPROCAL OF THAT.
NOW YOU AND I JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION AT THE TABLE ABOUT THESE NUMBERS AND WHAT MY PERCEPTION OR ANALYSIS WAS AS IT RELATES TO MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICTS.
AND I SHARE WITH YOU BASED ON THE NUMBERS, THE BASICALLY ROUNDED 47% BLACK, 43% WHITE, THAT THAT SUGGESTS WE SHOULD PICK UP AT LEAST ONE MORE MINORITY MAJORITY DISTRICT.
AND POSSIBLY TWO, WE HAD A CHANGE IN THE CONVERSATION.
YOU SAID DEFINITELY ONE, UH, PROBABLY ONE AND A HALF YOU'LL PICK UP, BUT YOU JUST SAID THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE SAID AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE TABLE AND THE PIGGYBACK ON HIM IS NOT NINE WAS COMING.
I'M REJECTING THE NOTION THAT THERE'S 47% BLACKS IN THE PARISH AND 43% WHITES.
HOWEVER, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE WHITES STILL HAVE SIX, FOUR REPRESENTATION, AND THE BLACKS ARE 5.6 WHEN WE'RE A GREATER PERCENTAGE OF THE PAIRS, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHITE AS A SOUL RACE, NOT WHITE AND ANY OTHER RACE EXCEPT BLACK, BUT ALL YOUR NON MINORITIES WHEN ME AND MOST, UH, COMMON FOLKS EVALUATE, UH, RACE.
WE TALKING ABOUT WHITES, WE DON'T LUMP NATIVE AMERICANS IN WITH WHITES.
WE DON'T LUMP ASIANS IN WITH WHITES.
SO WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT HERE FOR IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE MINORITY REPRESENTATION, THIS IS HURTING.
THE MINORITY REPRESENTATION IS LUDICROUS TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE ASIAN, BUT YOU'RE REALLY WHITE IN THIS, IN THIS EXAMPLE.
YEAH, BASICALLY I THINK, AND I CAN SEE WHERE THE CONFUSION COMES FROM IS THAT WE HAVE TO TRACK BLACK POPULATION BECAUSE BLACK IS A PROTECTED CLASS IN LOUISIANA.
THE OTHERS ARE NOT BLACK IS, AND BLACK IS DEFINED BY THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IS ANYBODY THAT'S BLACK AS A SINGLE A PART OF ANY RACE.
SO THAT COLUMN IS REALLY THE ONE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO WATCH.
ALL THE OTHERS REALLY DON'T MATTER.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOLE RACE, WHITE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
YOU GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT YOUR PERCENTAGE IS OF YOUR, ANY PART BLACK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO TRACK.
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USED TO HAVE TO DO.I STILL DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT YOU LUMP IN NATIVE AMERICAN ASIANS AND OTHERS IN WERE WHITES THAT FAVORS, UH, THE WHITE POPULATION WITH INCREASE IN THEIR REPRESENTATION WHEN IT'S REALLY NOT THEM.
THAT'S PRESENT IN THE PARISH, IN THE, IN THE AREA.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE MINORITIES, BUT THEY'RE NOT A PROTECTED MINORITY.
SO WE LOOK AT WHAT YOUR PERCENTAGE IS OF YOUR, OF THE BLACK POPULATION, ANY PART BLACK TAKE THAT PERCENTAGE AND YOU MULTIPLY IT BY THE NUMBER OF SEATS THAT TELLS YOU WHAT YOUR REPRESENTATION SHOULD BE UP HERE.
I COULD, I COULD SEE, I COULD SEE YOU SAYING, INCLUDING THE NATIVE AMERICAN ASIANS AND WITH BLACKS, BECAUSE THEY ARE A MINORITY AS WELL, BUT YET YOU PUT THEM IN WITH THE WHITES.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC ON THAT.
AND I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH IT.
IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON HOW THE RESPONDENT ANSWERED THEIR CENSUS FORM.
IF ANYBODY ANSWERED BLACK AS A SINGLE OR ANY OTHER RACE, THAT'S IN THAT ANY PART BLOCK, EVERYBODY ELSE THAT ANSWERED AS WHITE AMERICAN, INDIAN, ASIAN, OR Y N O ONE AS A SINGLE RACE OR PART OF WHITE, BLACK, WHATEVER, ANY COMBINATION, AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T HAVE BLACK IN IT, THAT'S THE KNOW PART BLACK.
WHEN WE CALCULATE THE PROPORTIONALITY, WE LOOK AT THE PROTECTED CLASS TO MAKE SURE THE PROTECTED CLASS IS REPRESENTED UP HERE.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR, ANY PART BLACK COMES FROM.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS THERE THAT A LAW THAT YOU MUST LOOK AT BLACKS BY ITSELF BECAUSE IT'S A PROTECTED CLASS OR THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU CHOSE TO DO? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S PART OF THE, PART OF THE ANALYSIS WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
OTHER STATES MAY HAVE OTHER PROTECTED CLASSES.
SO TELL ME WHAT THAT LOCK DO YOU HAVE COME SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S UNDER.
SECTION TWO OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
AND ALSO YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK INTO THE A AND I HAVE A COPY OF THE FEDERAL REGISTER FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD THE 2010 REDISTRICTING SECTION TO SAY, SECTION TWO OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT THAT HAS ALL OF OUR REDISTRICTING CRITERIA THAT TELLS YOU WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, HOW YOU HAVE TO CALCULATE IT, WHICH YOU INCLUDE.
THEY'VE GOT TO BE COMPACT CONTIGUOUS, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING, BECAUSE I, AND I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DIDN'T EXPECT THIS PART TO BE 10 INCHES AS IT RELATES TO PUTTING, UM, A SEGMENT OF MINORITIES, WHICH IS WHAT BLACKS ARE IN INTO, UM, WITH A MAJORITY.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT AT THE TIME, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT W IT WAS BECAUSE THE, IT WASN'T MOSTLY ALL BLACK OR WHITE THAT MATTERED, COUNTED WHATEVER.
BUT, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE IS, IS THERE NOT A TREND, NOT A TRADITION, NOT WHAT WE DID BEFORE, BUT IS THERE A SPECIFIC VERBIAGE THAT SAYS THAT BLACK PEOPLE, AS A PROTECTED CLASS CAN ONLY BE COUNTED A CERTAIN WAY, BUT THEN SPECIFICALLY IF HISPANICS, WHITES, ASIAN, INDIAN, HAWAIIAN SPECIFIC, UH, HOW, UH, THEY HAVE TO BE LUMPED TOGETHER WITH WHITE.
YEAH, NO, THEY'RE NOT LUMPED TOGETHER WITH BLACK AND LESS THAN WHITE OR WITH WHITE.
UH THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IT'S EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, CAN YOU GIVE US THE BIRD? CAN YOU GIVE US THE WORDS THAT, THAT SAYS THAT THAT IS NOT AN INTERPRETATION? I'LL SEE, I'LL SEND YOU, BECAUSE WE DON'T DO SECTION FIVE SUBMISSIONS ANYMORE.
SINCE, SINCE 2013 WITH THE SHELBY COUNTY CASE THAT THEY STRUCK DOWN, THE FORMULA IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TOO, THOUGH.
RIGHT? SOME SECTION TWO, BUT SECTION FIVE, A REVIEWS, ALL CHANGES WHEN THEY USED TO REVIEW THEM, THEY CHANGE ANY CHANGES.
I STAY CURRENT BECAUSE I'M HARD ENOUGH.
IT'S HARD ENOUGH FOR ME TO FOLLOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO YOU SAID SECTION TWO IS WHAT YOU'RE APPLYING.
SO THAT'S THE PART THAT WE NEED.
SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT WAS WHERE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WOULD REVIEW ANY CHANGES IN YOUR PLANS AND YOUR PRECINCTS AND ALL THAT, ANY CHANGE IN YOUR ELECTION SCHEME TO MAKE SURE IT COMPLIED WITH SECTION TWO OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
SO WHAT YOU SAY WAS R E THAT'S THAT'S BEEN DECLARED UNCONSTITUTIONAL SINCE THEN.
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YOU THOUGH, IS THE, UH, THE INFORMATION FROM, UM, FROM THE 2010 ROUND TO REDISTRICTING ON HOW SECTION FIVE WANTED US TO CONDUCT REAPPORTIONMENT IN 2010.CAUSE ALL, ALL THIS MATTERS IS THAT YOU COMPLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
SO OF, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT SHAUNA IS ASKING AND CLEVE IS ALLUDING TO, IS IT A LAW UNDER SECTION TWO OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY A LAW FIRM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT IS IT A PROCEDURE PROCEDURALLY CORRECT TO LUMP NINE WHITES FOR WHITES? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE BLACK IS CORRECT? I GOT THAT, BUT IT'S THAT THE PROCEDURE THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CHOOSE TO DO ON YOUR OWN? IT'S ACTUALLY THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT.
IT'S, WHAT'S LEFT OVER AFTER YOU TAKE AND CALCULATE EVERYBODY THAT HAS BLACK AND A PART OF ANY OTHER RACE, ANYTHING LEFT OVER.
THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE PROTECTED CLASS.
BUT I'M SAYING, IS THAT PROCEDURE, OR IS THAT CHOICE THAT LAW OR IS THAT A CHOICE THAT YOU'VE MADE ON YOUR OWN? ANY PART BLACK IS WHAT WE BASE OFF POOR PORTIONAL CALCULATION ON.
BUT IS THAT THE LAW OR IS THAT CHOICE YOUR OWN PERSONAL CHOICE? SO IT'S THE SAME QUESTION.
DOES THE LAW DICTATE THAT YOU PUT NINE WHITES WITH WHITES? IF THEY DON'T MARK ANY PART BLACK BOY, IS THAT YOUR CHOICE? YOU DO IT ON YOUR OWN.
THAT'S WHY I'M SHOWING WHITE AND NO PART BLACK.
BUT RIGHT NOW I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT.
I WANT TO, I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN SECTION FIVE AND THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT LOOKS AT THE PROTECTION OF THE PROTECTED CLASS, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE ONLY CONCERNED WITH THE PROTECTED CLASS.
SO THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED WITH HOW YOU CALCULATE THE REST OF IT.
AND HOW Y'ALL WANT TO HANDLE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT SOME MONEY, BUT YEAH.
SO THERE'S NO PROHIBITION PREVENTING US FROM DECIDING AS A COUNCIL THAT WE DON'T WANT TO NOT LUMP NINE WHITES FOR WHITES.
WE LIKE TO NINE LUMP NINE WHITES WHO ARE CONSIDERED MINORITY WITH BLACKS.
THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING US, PREVENTING YOU FROM DOING THAT.
ALL I'M POINTING OUT IS THAT FROM A PROPORTIONAL STANDPOINT, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO USE ANY PART BLACK FROM A PROPORTIONAL STAMPS.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THIS COUNCIL HAS TO COME AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON HOW WE WANT THAT TO BE DONE.
ALTHOUGH YOU RECOMMENDED IT, BE DONE ONE WAY.
IF WE DECIDE, WE WANT TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY THAN WE CAN, YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF YOUR PLAN AND ADOPTING YOUR PLAN.
MY JOB IS TO HELP KEEP YOU WITHIN COMPLIANCE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AS A DEMOGRAPHER, YOU DON'T SUPPOSED TO GIVE US ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO YOU, YOU, SO BASICALLY LIKE YOU BROKE THIS UP IN BLACK AND WHITE, BUT WE ALSO WANT A PLAN WHERE YOU BREAK DOWN BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC, ASIAN, INDIAN, HOW WHY, AND, AND PACIFIC ISLAND WHAT'S THAT BREAKDOWN.
AND SO, UH, THEN IN ALL THOSE, SO WE DON'T WANT YOU TO JUST BRING US, BRING US BLACK AND WHITE BECAUSE THERE'S A GROWING NUMBER OF HISPANICS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO WE, WE, I PREFER TO SEE ALL THE NUMBERS.
AND THEN IF WE, AS A COUNCIL, DECIDE, WE WANT TO, WHETHER IT'S SPLIT THEM OR PUT ONE IN THE OTHER, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE SHOWING ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS.
AND NONE OF THEM SHOULD BE WHERE YOU DICTATE OR EVEN RECOMMEND.
BUT LIKE YOU SAY, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN THAT COMPLIANCE AS A RE AS A RESULTS OF PLUS A MINUS FIVE.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? MY METHODOLOGY IS I DON'T RECOMMEND, I DON'T DICTATE.
I'M YOUR RESOURCE TO BUILD YOUR PLAN OUT.
THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOUR PARISH IS.
WHAT I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH, IF I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN CONFIGURATION, I THINK YOU'RE GOING OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING WELL, THAT'S IT.
YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE LINES ARE, RIGHT? BUT WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED HERE THAT THERE'S NO PROBATION, PROHIBITION OF US DOING IT.
AND WE ARE STILL WITHIN COMPLIANCE OF THE VOTERS, RIGHT.
THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE PROTECTIVE CLASS, BUT THAT, THAT IS NOT IN PLACE FOR YOU TO MAKE IT.
THE DOMINANT PURPOSE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DON'T, UH, WATER THAT DOWN.
SO WE CLEAR ON THAT AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
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IT RELATES TO OTHER MINORITIES, WE DO, WE WOULD NOT BE IN ANY WAY BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE SAID TODAY.BE GONE OUTSIDE OF THE VOTERS, RIGHT? ACT BY ADDING THOSE OTHER UNPROTECTED CLASSES.
OH NO, I CAN SHOW, I'VE GOT 250 DIFFERENT RACE CATEGORIES.
MY COMPUTER, IT PROBLEM IS THE COMPLEXITY OF HOW THE CHART GETS AS YOU WORK THROUGH ALL THIS AND YOU'LL SEE IT, BUT I CAN PUT ALL OF THOSE CATEGORIES UP THERE.
AS LONG AS I, AS LONG AS I CAN FIT THEM ON A SHEET OF PAPER, I'LL FIT THEM.
BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I FOCUS ON BECAUSE THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS WITH, PARTICULARLY WITH ANY PART BLOCK.
THAT IS THE ONE THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, HOW YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ALL THE OTHERS IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU.
BUT MY JOB IS TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PROPORTIONALITY ISN'T.
SO IN AN OUT OF SO FAR RANGE, THAT YOU INVITE A SECTION TO CHALLENGE FROM SOMEBODY.
AND I THINK YOU RIGHT THERE PUT BLACK, WHITE, YOUR EXPLANATION.
SHE SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE DEALING WITH IN BLACK AND WHITE.
THAT ONE IS A MAJORITY AND ONE IS A NOT PRE-TAPED GLASS, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE SWING NUMBERS.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU US HAVE TO DECIDE AS HOW TO WORK WITH THOSE NUMBERS.
IF YOU HAD GIVEN US IT LIKE THAT, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE BETTER BEEN ABLE TO RECEIVE IT AND NOT FELT ANY BIAS ON YOUR PART.
SO IN GOING FORWARD, THAT IS THE KIND OF PRESENTATION WE WANT.
AND BELIEVE ME, THERE IS NO BIAS.
I WANT JUST THE BEST PLAN FOR THE PARISH.
I WANT THE BEST PLAN FOR THE PARISH, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M ABOUT AS NEUTRAL AS THEY COME.
I'M NOT GONNA PLAY FAVORITES BASED ON THOSE.
I MEAN, BASICALLY WHAT YOU DID, YOU BROKE THIS OUT AND SAID YOU HAVE A PROTECTED CLASS AND THERE'S EVERYBODY ELSE.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT BASICALLY WHAT IT IS.
AND IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT SECTION TWO ARE, ARE YOU SAID THE BLACK IS PROTECTED CLASS IN STATE OF LOUISIANA.
OTHER STATES HAVE DIFFERENT RULES AND DIFFERENT CLASSES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT AS FAR AS THIS RIGHT HERE AND WHAT THIS CHART BUILDS OUT AND WHERE THE 5.6 AND THE 6.4 CAME FROM WAS STRICTLY RAW DATA BASED ON THAT, IT WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, LET ME, LET ME THROW ALL THESE PEOPLE IN WITH THEM.
LET ME THROW ALL THESE PEOPLE IN WITH THE OTHER ONES.
IT WAS PROTECTED CLASS NON-PROTECTED CLASS.
THAT'S A GOOD WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM ADDING THESE CATEGORIES TO THE, UH, SO THE, UH, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE MORE CATEGORIES, WHICH I THINK IS FANTASTIC.
SO WE CAN BREAK DOWN, UH, ANY OTHER, UH, DOMINANT RACE, I GUESS, ABOVE WHATEVER PERCENTAGE WE DECIDE OR YOU THINK CAN FIT ON A PAPER, BUT WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO ASSUME FOR MULTI-RACIAL PEOPLE, IF WE'RE DOING ANY PART, IF I'M THINKING OF IT CORRECTLY, WE WOULD END UP WITH, UH, WITH, UH, OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT, RIGHT.
BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE SOME DUPLICATIONS.
BUT I STILL THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE EXTRA CATEGORIES AND, AND COLUMNS JUST TO, I, I LIKE, I LIKE DATA AND NUMBERS.
UH, I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY WITH THIS BECAUSE I, I TH I FIND IT FASCINATING.
SO YEAH, I THINK GIVE US MORE DATA.
I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DO WHAT YOU DID BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT PROTECTIVE CLASS AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT YEAH, I THINK, UH, IF WE COULD HAVE ACCESS TO SOME, UH, RAW FIGURES AND DATA ON, ON MULTIPLE, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY ANY, UM, ANY RACES THAT ARE, THAT ARE OVER 2% OR MORE OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS A SUGGESTION, I THINK THAT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, ESPECIALLY AS WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO SEE SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE OTHER, UH, RACES, UH, THE DEVIATIONS BASED ON THE READING ON THE, ON THE, UH, CHANGES IN THE LINE.
SO, AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM AS YOU SEE, AS I'M SCROLLING THROUGH HERE, THESE, ALL THE DIFFERENT RACE COMBINATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
ONE LAST COMMENT, I AM LOOKING AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY DO THOUGH.
AND NOT EVEN UNDER THIS, THAT IN SECTION TWO, THAT BLACK IS A, UM, PROTECTED CLASS THAT ISN'T MENTIONED IN SECTION TWO, BUT ACTUALLY THE TERM THAT IS USED AS MINORITY GROUP.
SO I THINK THAT THAT INTERPRETATION IS I'M KIND OF STRETCHING IT BECAUSE BLACK IS NOT USED AS PART OF SECTION TWO BUT ONLY MINORITY GROUP.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE ARGUED THAT THESE OTHER, UH, CLASSES ARE MINORITY GROUPS.
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HAVE SOME STATES THAT HAVE A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF BLACKS.THEY MAY HAVE A LOT OF AMERICAN INDIANS OR ASIANS, OR WHAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S WHY SECTION TWO ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO SPECIFY BLACK AS A PROTECTED CLASS.
IT DEPENDS ON THE POPULATION OF THE STATE.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT, THEY JUST PROTECTING US TOO, BUT WE SHOULD NOT USE THAT AS WE'RE TH THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS THAT WE ARE NOT TO, IT SAYS THAT WE'RE TO PROTECT, BUT THAT JUST MEANS MAKE SURE YOU DON'T MINIMIZE OR REDUCE.
AND THEN WE'LL SAY THAT MINORITY AS A LITTLE CATEGORY,
THAT THERE'S ENOUGH WHERE THEY'RE SUFFICIENT NUMBERS IN A COMPACT ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN BE ABLE TO CREATE DISTRICTS FROM THEM.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR EXAMPLE, AMERICAN INDIANS TO BE A PROTECTED CLASS, AND THEY DON'T RISE OVER 30%, UH, BLACKS DO, OR YOU GO TO OTHER STATES AND YOU YOU'RE GOING TO SEE BLACKS IS PROBABLY A VERY MINIMAL NUMBER.
UH, WE TRACK FIVE RACE CATEGORIES IN ARIZONA.
UH, SO INSTEAD OF JUST SEEING WHITE, BLACK, WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER RACE CATEGORIES THAT WE HAVE TO TRACK.
THAT'S UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, THERE MINORITIES, A SUFFICIENT IN PROPORTION TO THEIR POPULATION TO BE A PROTECTED CLASS.
SO HERE WE JUST HAVE, WE JUST HAVE BLACK OVER HERE.
I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THE EARLIER DISCUSSION, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE CHOICES THAT YOU MADE AS A DEMOGRAPHER.
SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S JUST ANOTHER CHOICE THAT YOU MADE AS A DEMOGRAPHER TO PUT BLACKS IN THEIR OWN CATEGORIES, BASED ON THE WORD MINORITY, UH, ANY PART BLACK.
AND THAT'S FOLLOWING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, SECTION FIVE GUIDELINES THAT WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR 30 YEARS.
AND I'LL SEND YOU, I'LL SEND YOU LOUISIANA THOUGH, RIGHT? FROM LOUISIANA.
NO FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
THE QUESTION WAS, SINCE SECTION FIVE WAS STRUCK DOWN, WE CAN'T USE ANY OF THIS ON, ON THIS CRITERIA.
THE, UH, WE USE THE SECTION FIVE ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY GOOD INTERPRETATION OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT ON HOW IT TO BE APPLIED.
THE COURT CASE IN SHELBY COUNTY VERSUS HOLDER WAS THAT SECTION FOUR OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT HAD THE FORMULA THAT IDENTIFY WHAT JURISDICTIONS HAD TO SUBMIT THEIR PLANS TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FOR UNDER SECTION FIVE REVIEW.
AND THAT FORMULA HADN'T BEEN CHANGED IN WELL OVER 40 YEARS.
AND THERE WERE SOME JURISDICTIONS THAT HAD NO HISTORY OF DISCRIMINATION, BUT YET WERE BEING TREATED AS IF THEY WERE DISCRIMINATING.
AND A COURT FOUND THAT THE FORMULA HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED AND THEREFORE WAS A VIOLATION OF THE EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE 14TH AMENDMENT.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS.
IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING IN THAT CASE, BUT BECAUSE THE FORMULA WAS DECLARED UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THAT MEANS YOU HAD NO FORMULA TO DETERMINE WHO HAD TO SUBMIT TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
I STILL FOLLOW THAT ANALYSIS THAT THEY USE THE SECTION FIVE, CAUSE IT WAS A VERY SOLID ANALYSIS ON HOW YOU CONDUCT REAPPORTIONMENT.
I'VE DONE OVER 400 SUBMISSIONS DURING MY TIME.
I HAVE NEVER HAD ONE REJECTED ON THE SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE I FOLLOWED THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT TO THE LETTER.
I'M GOING TO SEND YOU ALL THAT THE, UH, THE, UH, UH, UH, FEDERAL REGISTER CRITERIA ON WHICH INTERPRETS THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
IF YOU WANT TO SEEK COURT CASES THAT USE ANY PART BLACK, I'D BE HAPPY TO PULL SOME OF THOSE.
CAUSE I WAS EXPERT WITNESS ON ONE OF THEM HERE NOT LONG AGO.
AND COURT SPECIFIED THAT WE USE ANY PART BLACK.
LET'S GET A MICROPHONE OVER TO YOU.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUANTITATIVE, UM, DATA THAT YOU CAME UP WITH.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BASED ON THE CIVIL RIGHTS VOTING ACT, THAT THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION IS IDENTIFIED AS A PROTECTED ENTITY AND THAT ANYBODY THAT CHECKED THE BOX THAT WAS NON, THEY DIDN'T CHECK WHITE, BUT THEY DIDN'T CHECK BLACK.
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WITH THE WHITE POPULACE.IS THAT YOUR QUANTITATIVE DATA TODAY? THAT'S WHAT THE NO PART BLACK CATEGORY REPRESENTS ON THERE.
NOW, IF YOU JUST WANT TO USE WHITE AND YOU JUST WANT TO USE A BLACK, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I'VE HAD SOME OTHER CLIENTS SAY, WELL, THEY DON'T ADD UP.
YOU'RE WHITE AND YOU'RE BLACK.
WHERE DOES EVERYBODY ELSE GO? WELL, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS A, THOSE OTHER CATEGORIES.
SO THEY SAID, WELL, WE WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO ADD UP.
SO THE ONLY WAY IT ADDS UP IS ANY PART BLACK AND NO PART BLACK.
AND THAT'S WHY I INCLUDE THESE.
I TYPICALLY DON'T INCLUDE THESE.
I'D USUALLY DO WHITE AND BLACK.
WELL, I ACTUALLY DO WHITE AND I DO BLACK, ACCORDING TO THE, UH, THE, UH, ANY PART BLACK THAT SECTION IN 2010, IT WAS THE, THE, UH, DOJ NON-HISPANIC BLACK.
THAT'S WHAT THAT CATEGORY WAS.
WE UNDERSTAND HOW YOU GOT, WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU GOT.
UM, WE'VE ALSO ESTABLISHED THAT THERE'S NO PROHIBITION THAT DIRECT YOU TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION AND HAS ALSO BEEN, UH, IMPRESSED UPON YOU THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT METHODOLOGY AND THINKS IT DOES NOT PROTECT A PROTECTED CLASS.
IT ACTUALLY HURTS TO PROTECT A CLASS.
SO, AND IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE WHAT A COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN BANK SAID, WOULD I THINK IT WAS SECTION TWO, IT ACTUALLY REFERS TO THE PROTECTED CLASS AS MINORITY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF REINFORCES OUR THINKING BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT IT'S EVALUATED IN ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE THAT MINORITIES ARE LUMPED IN TOGETHER.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE MINORITIES LUMPED IN WITH THE MAJORITY OF WHITE, BUT THEY USE MINORITIES AS MINORITIES OF THE PROTECTED CLASS.
NOT ALL MEN UNDERSTAND, BUT, BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW I UNDERSTAND THAT I DO OBJECT TO YOU GOING THE TOTAL OPPOSITE WAY? I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO TOTAL OPPOSITE WAY.
I'M BEING, HAVING A CONSISTENT INTERPRETATION THAT WE, YEAH, YOU CONSISTENT, BUT YOU JUST CONSISTENTLY WRONG.
IF I WAS CONSISTENTLY WRONG, THEN I WOULD HAVE BEEN FLAGGED ON THIS YEARS AGO.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET IN OUT OF THERE.
BUT I THINK THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE LAWYERS THAT HANDLED VOTING RIGHTS CASES UP THERE THEN, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO ANALYZE ALL THIS THAT THEY USED TO, THEY DON'T ANYMORE.
BUT I STILL FOLLOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S A SOLID INTERPRETATION AND FOLLOWING, AND I'M WILLING TO GO WITH SOME LEEWAY, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GOING TO LET Y'ALL DO DESIGN WHAT I CONSIDERED BEING A LEGAL PLAN, NOR DO WE WANT YOU TO KNOW.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS THAT WHATEVER WE DO, THAT IT WILL GO THROUGH.
SO IF WE'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT FOR EVERYBODY WE WANT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO USE THE FEDERAL INTERPRETATION OF WHAT A MINORITY GROUP IS THERE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTED CLASS PROTECTED CLASS UNDER LOUISIANA IS WHAT IT IS.
WE GOT THAT WE, WE, WE COULD, WE COULD GIVE IT BACK TO YOU, BUT THE FEDERAL LAW SAYS MINORITY GROUP.
AND SO YOU CAN'T JUST ARBITRARILY BECAUSE IT HAS WORKED SAY THAT WHEN THE LOOSE, WHEN THE STATE PROTECTS BLACKS, THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO USE AS A MINORITY GROUP.
AND THEN THE OTHER MINORITY GROUP, WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOU WITH THE MAJORITY GROUP THAT'S LUDICROUS.
THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT THESE CASES, THESE PLANS IN THE PAST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THAT'S NOT A CONSISTENT INTERPRETATION OF IT.
CAN I, I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS IS HELPFUL OR NOT, BUT I THINK WHAT I HEAR IS THAT THERE IS A FLOOR BELOW, WHICH WE CANNOT GO BECAUSE THERE IS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ANY PART BLACK THAT, THAT DICTATES A 5.5.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO BELOW THAT.
Y'ALL CAN GO OVER THAT THE COUNCIL CAN DECIDE TO GO OVER THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK MIKE IS ARGUING WITH THAT.
I THINK HIS POINT IS THAT HE, HIS NUMBERS AND HIS PROJECTION HERE PROTECTS THAT FA HAS TO AT LEAST PROTECT THAT 5.5.
SO IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO GO SIX, SIX, OR 7, 5, 7, 5 BLACK TO WHITE, THAT'S WITHIN THE ABILITY OF, OF THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT YOUR POSITION IS THAT 5.5 IS THE FLOOR.
I THINK EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, SO I THINK SOME OF THE SEMANTICS MAY BE GETTING IN THE WAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, THE, ANY PART BLACK MAKE SURE
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THAT MIKE IS TELLING Y'ALL YOU, YOU REALLY CANNOT GO BELOW 5.5.THAT'S THE MOST GENEROUS CATEGORY FOR THE PROTECTED CLASS.
CAUSE IF YOU GO A SINGLE RACE, BLACK, YOUR NUMBERS ARE LOWER.
SO THAT'S ONE REASON I USE ANY PART BLACKS.
SO GOING TO REASON TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT USED ANY PART BLACK IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST GENEROUS CATEGORY AND CAST THE WIDEST NET ON THAT.
BUT LOOK, AS YOU SEE UP HERE ON THIS, UH, ON THIS CHART HERE, UM, IT IS NOT A PROBLEM ADDING SINGLE RACE, BLACK, OR ANY OTHER CATEGORY THAT YOU WANT ON THERE, IT WILL TRACK IT.
IT WILL GIVE US ALL, ALL OUR PERCENTAGES ON THERE.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS, WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU NEED, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT.
YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AT SOME POINT DURING THIS PROCESS.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION, IF YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED, IF YOUR PREFERENCE IS TO USE CERTAIN CATEGORIES, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM GIVING YOU THOSE CATEGORIES.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO KEEP US ALL ON THE, ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
A SCHOOL BOARD WE'RE USING WHITE, NO PART BLACK, ANY PART BLACK, WHITE, NO PART BLACK.
AND ANY PART BLACK, SAME CATEGORY.
I USE THE EXACT SAME CATEGORIES ON THAT CHART THAT I'M USING FOR THEM.
I DIDN'T, I DON'T, I DIDN'T PUT THAT CATEGORY AND, BUT I CAN CALCULATE THAT CATEGORY.
I ACTUALLY TO MAINTAIN SOME CONSISTENCY.
THE VERY CHART THAT I SHOWED Y'ALL WAS THE ONE THAT I WAS USING FOR THEM.
AND, BUT I LOOKED, Y'ALL NOT SCHOOL BOARD SCHOOL BOARD IS NOT Y'ALL.
I HAVE 250 SOMETHING CATEGORIES.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGES ARE, IF YOU WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO SHOW UP, SEE EVERYBODY THAT HAS A THRESHOLD OF 5% OR HIGHER 2% OR HIGHER, IT'S ALREADY GOT A CALCULATED IN HERE.
IT'S A MATTER OF JUST SHOWING THE CATEGORY.
I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO GET ON WIELDY AS WE START WORKING THROUGH THE PLANS, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THE MOST.
UH, BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING.
I CAN'T DO MY JOB FOR YOU IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FEEL LIKE I SERVE YOU WELL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW I GENERALLY APPROACH THESE THINGS.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ESTABLISH A BASELINE HERE.
AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE HAVING THESE WORKSHOPS RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
BECAUSE JUST LIKE WE HAD A LITTLE INDIVIDUAL MEETING HERE, WE ALREADY HAVE A LITTLE, WE HAD A LITTLE MISCUE, SO THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY.
UH, I GOT DATA OUT THE YAZOO ON THIS STUFF.
SO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SEE PRETTY MUCH GOING TO HAVE IT.
WE GOOD ON THAT FOR RIGHT NOW.
NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE POSSIBLE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
AND PART OF THAT IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF YOUR, UH, YOUR MINORITY POPULATIONS.
LET ME MAKE THIS LITTLE CHANGE HERE, JUST TO SHOW.
ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOK AT IS AT THE CENSUS BLOCK LEVEL, UH, WHERE OUR, OUR MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICTS ARE BLOCKS CENSUS BLOCKS.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET AN IDEA OF HOW THE DISTRIBUTION OF MINORITIES ARE IN THE PARISH.
AND LET ME, LET ME CLEAN THIS UP A MINUTE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HE'S A LITTLE BETTER.
I'M GOING TO PUT YOUR DISTRICTS BACK ON.
ANY AREA THAT YOU SEE OR REPRESENT SINCE THIS BLOCKS THAT HAVE MORE BLACKS THAN WHITES.
AND YOU WILL SEE HOW THE PARISH IS PRETTY WELL.
DIVIDED IS HEAVY BLACK POPULATION, NORTH HEAVY WHITE POPULATION IN THE SOUTH AND IN BETWEEN IS THAT TRANSITION ZONE WHERE YOU GOT A LOT OF MIX.
OKAY? SO AS YOU START ADDING OR TAKING AWAY IN THAT MIDDLE PART, YOU MAY CHANGE YOUR DEVIATIONS AND YOUR TOTAL POPULATION NUMBERS, BUT YOU MAY NOT BE CHANGED THE PERCENTAGE OF WHITE AND BLACK.
OKAY? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE ASKED ON THE BOARD, WHY DON'T WE DO OUR DISTRICTS EAST-WEST OR IF YOU DO USE WEST, ESPECIALLY IN THAT MIDDLE PART, YOU'RE NOT REALLY IMPROVING YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS, YOUR WHITE AND BLACK POPULATIONS.
ALL YOU'RE DOING IS ADDING YOUR TOTAL, BUT YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE NEEDLE BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST A 50, 50, 45, 55, THOSE KINDS OF RATIOS.
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SO IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET YOUR POPULATIONS UP, OKAY, YOU'RE A MINORITY POPULATIONS UP IN THE MIDDLE.YOU HAVE TO GO NORTH BECAUSE IF YOU GO SOUTH, YOU'RE PICKING UP MORE WHITES AND THAT DILUTES YOUR MINORITY POPULATION.
SO KEEPING THIS IN MIND, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHY SOME OF THESE DISTRICTS ARE MOVING UP TO THE NORTH FROM THE MIDDLE, GOING NORTH TO TRY TO MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE YOUR MINORITY PERCENTAGES.
IF YOU WANT SIX DISTRICTS IN THERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO NORTH WITH ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS, AT LEAST.
SO WE, AS WE ROLL THEM FORWARD, ROLL THEM UP.
THESE ARE THE GENERAL DIRECTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN.
YOU'RE YOU'RE WHAT I CALL A BIFURCATED PARISH.
IT'S A VERY LOPSIDED, HEAVY BLACK ON ONE SIDE, HEAVY WHITE ON THE OTHER, IN THE MIDDLE AS YOUR TRANSITION ZONE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE, THESE NUMBERS HERE ON THESE DISTRICTS ARE ALL IN THE FIFTIES, LOW SIXTIES, AND UP HERE, THEY'RE UP IN THE EIGHTIES.
AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE FURTHER DOWN, YOU SEE HOW QUICKLY THE MINORITY OR THE BLACK POPULATION DROPS.
AND IF YOU WANT THAT MIDDLE, THAT THIRD NUMBER THAT REPRESENTS SOLE RACE, BLACK OUT A PROBLEM.
IF YOU WANT IT'S WHATEVER NUMBERS YOU WANT TO TRACK, WE'RE GOING TO TRACK SURE.
YOU WANT ME TO ADD IT TO THAT? OR YOU WANT ME TO REPLACE IT WITH THAT? AH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND LET'S ADD IT TO IT.
IF WE ADD IT THAT WAY, THAT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE IDEA OF HOW IT, UH, HOW THEY COMPARE YEAH.
YEAH, THAT THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S THAT'S FROM THE PRECINCT LEVEL.
DIS-AGGREGATE IT DOWN TO THE, UM, SO THE CENSUS BLOCK.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXACT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE.
I'M GOING TO GET YOUR PERCENT.
LET ME GET YOUR PERCENT BLACK.
WE'RE GOING TO ADD OUR DISTRICT BAD.
WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH OUR PERCENT, ANY PART BLACK, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH OUR PERCENT BLACK.
I'M JUST LEAVING, REGISTERED VOTERS OFF RIGHT NOW.
UH, GIVE ME ONE MINUTE BACKGROUND.
SECOND NUMBER DEVIATION, THIRD NUMBERS.
ANY PART BLACK FOURTH NUMBER IS SINGLE RACE BLACK.
YOU'LL SEE SOME CASES THEY'RE FAIRLY CLOSE.
SOME CASES, MAYBE LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT GENERAL YOU'LL SEE THE, ANY PART BLACK HAD A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NUMBER, WHICH IS MORE FAVORABLE TO THE PROTECTED CLASS.
AND IF YOU WANT ME TO UPDATE THOSE CHARTS THAT I JUST SHOWED, NOT A PROBLEM.
THAT WAY Y'ALL CAN COMPARE THEM.
SO HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING ALL OF THIS? ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OUR, OUR, OUR LABELS UP TO WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
I'M GONNA, ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE, TAKE THE FIRST CRACK AT LOOKING AT A CHANGE IN YOUR, IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS? FOR SOME EXAMPLES
THE QUESTION I BROUGHT UP, SO IT'S ON THE MIC FOR PUBLIC WAS ME AND COUNCILMAN DONE.
AND RIGHT NOW MY DISTRICT COVERS, UH, SHERWOOD FOREST IS FOREST UP TO SHERWOOD FOREST FROM BETWEEN FLORIDA
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AND OLD HAMMOND.AND FOR SOME REASON, THIS CHART SPLITS IT INTO THREE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
SO IF IT'S OKAY, CAN WE GO THROUGH, HUH? YEAH.
MINE IS DISTRICT FOR THE, ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE, UM, I THINK THAT IS, YEAH, IT WAS DENISE.
AND THEN, UH, COUNCILMAN DUNN MOVED IN ACROSS SHERWOOD FOREST RIGHT THERE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LINE ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT THAT'S SHERWOOD FOREST, THAT'S WHERE DISTRICT FOUR WENT ALL THE WAY TO BEFORE THIS MAP CAME OUT.
SO IF WE CAN KIND OF GO OVER THAT AND WHILE WE'RE SPLITTING ALL THAT SHOVEL REFORMS INTO THREE DIFFERENT BLOCKS, ALL RIGHT.
LET'S WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER TO READ UP THERE ON THE SCREEN.
AS WE CLICK ON THAT, REMEMBER THIS IS GOING TO BE CHANGING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEVIATION RIGHT HERE.
AND BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO INVOLVE A MINORITY DISTRICT WITH SIX AND EIGHT IS GETTING CLOSE, UH, UNDER YOUR 20 NUMBERS.
WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON THOSE THINGS AS WELL.
SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THIS AREA GOES INTO DISTRICT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S DISTRICT FOUR COMPLETELY ALL THE WAY UP TO SHERWOOD FOREST BOULEVARD ITSELF.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT IN.
AND WE'D HAVE TO COME IN AND PICK UP THIS AREA HERE.
THAT WAS FOUR, RIGHT? AND THEN, UH, DARRYL AND DRIVE.
IT'S ACTUALLY ALL, UH, YES, RIGHT THERE.
SO IF YOU COULD KIND OF BREAK THAT DOWN AND WHILE WE'RE DOING THE, NOT THAT ONE, I DIDN'T GO TO, I DIDN'T GO IN INTERSTATE 12.
LET ME GET MY SH STREET LAYER SET A LIT YEAH.
THIS WAS YOUR CURRENT LINE RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS AREA YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE BACK OUT OF YOUR DISTRICT, PUT THAT IN EIGHT THAT'S CURRENTLY IT'S IN INNATE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT.
SO WE'RE SEEING IT BACK WHEN IT WAS SO H HOW, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IF WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO DISCUSSIONS AND WHAT ALL WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS W I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THEIR DISTRICTS WANTING TO TEAR A NEIGHBORHOOD APART OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO HOW DO WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE A, AN ADJUSTMENT FOR THIS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE NOW TEARING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD APART.
SO THAT'LL KIND OF GIVE AN IDEA TO THE PUBLIC, HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK OR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT.
ALSO, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M HOPING WE GET INTO.
I SIGNED THAT AREA THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU WANTED TO GET BACK OVER INTO FOUR TO TRY TO PUT SHERWOOD FARMERS TOGETHER.
CORRECT? THE BROWN LINE IS YOUR CURRENT DISTRICT LINE.
SO WE'RE NOW FOLLOWING YOUR CURRENT DISTRICT LINE.
NOW YOU SEE THAT SECOND NUMBER SHOWS THAT DISTRICT FOUR IS A 14.44.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOSE POPULATION.
EIGHT IS STILL AS A MINUS 11.9, FIVE AND SIX AS A MINUS 11.
SO THOSE TWO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK UP POPULATION SOMEWHERE, BUT YOU'RE HIGH RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE IN THAT LIGHT, TAN COLOR.
SO DO YOU SWAP OFF AND WE ADDED THIS AREA UNDER THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN.
LET'S SEE WHAT IT DOES, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HELP SIX OUT AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU OUT.
NOW YOU'RE DOWN TO EIGHT AND SIX IS NOW TO MINUS FIVE.
IF YOU GO TO THE RIGHT OF EIGHT RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT MY DISTRICT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHOSE THAT IS AS DWIGHT.
SO THAT'D BE NINE RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU, WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT AND PUT THAT IN THE DEBT BACK IN NINE, EIGHT.
LET'S SEE WHAT IT DOES TAKE, LET'S SEE WHAT IT DOES TO EIGHT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE PRECINCT RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S 2,700 PEOPLE IN THERE AND THAT BALANCES OUT YOUR DEVIATIONS.
DOES THAT BALANCE OUT EIGHT? THAT BALANCE IS EIGHT OUT AT A MINUS 4.7.
MY BALANCES FOR OUT AT A PLUS ONE
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POINT.SO NOW WE HAVE TO INCREASE SIX AND DECREASE FOUR.
SO YOU, IF YOU SEE YOUR 1.35, OKAY.
AS FAR AS DEVIATIONS GO, ALL RIGHT.
IS IT WHERE WE WANT THE MINORITY POPULATION TO BE FOR DISTRICT EIGHT? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE TO DISCUSS AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
NOW, SIX IS AT THAT BOTTOM THRESHOLD IS A MINUS 5.53.
YOU COULD PROBABLY PICK UP SOME, OR IT COULD STAY THERE.
THAT'S WITHIN THE ACCEPTABLE RANGE.
UH, UH, WHAT AREA? RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S SOME OF THE ERA WE JUST TOOK OUT.
IT WASN'T THAT AREA WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO NOT SPLIT.
NO, NO, YOU ACTUALLY DID THE OPPOSITE.
WELL, WILL YOU PUT IT BACK TO ONE? OH, WAIT, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU'RE INCLUDING THE OTHER SIDE OF SHERWOOD FOREST IN.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I GOTTEN TO KNOW AND WORK WITH THEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE PARISH AND SO ON, BUT OKAY.
RIGHT HERE, THIS, THIS PRECINCT HERE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO FLANNERY.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT BY, UM, BY PRECINCT HERE.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
THAT ONE, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, TO THE RIGHT.
THAT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SHOW WOULD AFTER THAT.
IT GOES INTO, UM, PONDEROSA AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THAT PUTS, LOOK AT YOUR DEVIATION.
I PUT SIX AT A PLUS 16 AND FOUR TO MINUS 20.
SO LET'S, LET'S TAKE IT A BIT AT A TIME.
MAYBE LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO IT ONE BY ONE.
LET'S SAY WE TAKE THIS ONE OUT.
YOU'RE AT A PLUS SEVEN WITH SIX AND A MINUS 11 ON FOUR.
I DO ONE MORE RIGHT ABOUT RIGHT THERE.
YOU HAD A 0.3, THREE ON SIX ON A MINUS 4.5 ON FOUR.
AND YOUR DEVIATIONS, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR MINORITY POPULATION.
YOU'RE AT A 60% BLACK BEFORE WE MAKE THAT CHANGE.
THAT'S IN THIS LITTLE BLACK BOX UP HERE.
UH, IF WE ADD THAT IN, THAT BRINGS YOUR PERCENT BLACK, TILL 59.2.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE SMIDGEN, LESS, BUT I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WHETHER IT HELPS OR HURTS.
TAKE, TAKE THAT FIRST ONE BACK IN THIS ONE HERE.
OR PUT IN, PUT IT BACK IN FOUR.
I SAID, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS.
AND WE NEED TO, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? INCREASE SIX.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? WE'RE ACTUALLY IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW IS OKAY.
IT'S ON THE BOTTOM MAN, BUT IT'S WITHIN ACCEPTABLE RANGE, BUT WE HAD SOME, I HEARD SOME DISCUSSION A LITTLE EARLIER ABOUT MAYBE MAKING A CHANGE, I THINK ON SIX IF I UNDERSTOOD IT.
SO WHAT ABOUT RIGHT ABOVE YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC? YOUR, YOUR BOX THERE, THAT SUNNY VALE HITS ON A HILL AVENUE SECTION RIGHT HERE? YES.
THAT'S IN FOR RIGHT NOW AS FAR.
I'M DATA OVERLOADED RIGHT NOW.
I'LL PUT, I CAN PUT THESE PRECINCTS ON ANYTIME YOU WANT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO LEAVE EIGHT LOW RIGHT NOW.
CAUSE IT'S AT A MINUS FOUR, UNLESS WE PICK UP ELSEWHERE.
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YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT DOES? IF WE ADD IT TO SIX Y'ALL CAN BOTH HANDLE IT.A BLACK POPULATION IS 60, SO IT'S NOT HURTING YOU ON YOUR, A BLACK POPULATION.
SO IF YOU ADD THAT IN TO SIX COMING OUT OF FOUR, THAT'S WHAT THE DISTRICT LOOKS LIKE.
I KIND OF KNOW WHAT SOME OF THE MORE MINORITY BASED DISTRICTS, UH, BUT UP TO EACH OTHER, BUT CLEVELAND I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING PART FOREST.
I WANT TO SEE, BECAUSE ON THE NORTHERN PART OF GREENVILLE SPRINGS, IT'S PRIMARILY, UH, BUSINESSES.
SO ON THAT PART, I LIVE IN MONTICELLO.
SO THAT'S MY SIDE OF THE DISTRICT.
UM, IF I TOOK EVERYTHING MONTERREY GOING EAST TO MONTEREY, TO FLANNERY, AND THEN AARON HAS RUSHMORE.
YOU DO HAVE RUSHMORE RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.
AND YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, LEAVE THAT AND CLEAVE SECTION, UNLESS YOU HOW THAT LOOKS, BECAUSE IT STILL DOES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, I BELIEVE WITHOUT SPLITTING UP A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU SEE EVERYBODY WITH A LTD.
WE'LL SEE WHEN WE TAKE THIS UP, MONTEREY OUT WHAT IT DOES.
SO, SO THERE, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND NOW, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FLANNERY TO MONTERREY, RIGHT? WELL, I'VE JUST CAUSE KIND OF MY BORDERS WHILE I THINK OF IT MENTALLY.
SO GO ALL THE WAY LEFT BECAUSE MONTEREY I HAVE GREAT SMOKY ON MONTEREY.
THAT'S THE ONLY STREET THAT EXITS ON MONTEREY AND THE REST OF THE CLEAVE ASS.
AM I SAYING THAT CORRECTLY? WE SPLIT APART FOUR.
I BELIEVE I HAVE THE MAJORITY, BUT HE HAS, IT'S A CRAZY, LIKE AN L SHAPED DEAL OF A BOOT SHAPED APPROACH.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR IT.
SO Y'ALL JUST HAVE PATIENCE WITH ME ON IT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO, YOU WANT TO KEEP THIS AREA OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE.
THAT'S WHY I HAD THOSE DOTS THERE.
SO I DON'T INADVERTENTLY PUT YOU OUT OF YOUR DISTRICT.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
SO I PUT THE DOTS ALONE AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT THEM DOTS ON IT.
W W YEAH, WE WANT TO KEEP YOU IN THERE.
LET ME USE TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PART TO THE NORTH PART OF GREENWELL SPRINGS NARROW.
NOW, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE NORTH PART OF GREENWELL SPRINGS, THE SOUTH PART OF, WELL, NO.
JUST, JUST LET THAT BE MY BORDER, THE SOUTH PART.
SO FROM MONTEREY TO SO GREENWELL AND FLANNERY GO TO CHOCTAW AND THEN MONTEREY AND, UM, GREENWELL GO TO CHOCTAW.
SO GOING, IT'S GOING SOUTHBOUND.
SO I WANT TO START AT MONTERREY CAUSE I REALLY DON'T PICK UP ONE FOUR AND GO BACK OVER TO THE LEFT.
TO THE LEFT, OTHER LEFT WEST WEST, WEST WEST.
UM, YOU SEE WHERE MONTEREY IS? MY DISTRICT CURRENTLY MOVE YOUR MOUSE AT MONTERREY IS WHERE THE I SPLIT WITH, UH, CLEAVE OVER.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT BOUNDARY RIGHT THERE.
NO, YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
I'M GOING TO GIVE Y'ALL SOME LASER POINTERS NEXT TIME.
I USUALLY LIKE DOING THIS ON A SCREEN WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY COME UP AND SHOW ME.
SO THIS IS MONTEREY RIGHT HERE.
SO I REALLY HAVE GREAT SIDE DIVIDES WITH THE RED LINE.
I REALLY ONLY HAVE GREAT SMOKE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN MAMMOTH BELOW.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S SHOWING GREEN, UM, THESE ARE NOT CURRENTLY GLEN SADE AVENUE.
I WAS TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR IT AND AS WE START WORKING TOGETHER MORE AND MORE, IT'LL BECOME EASIER.
SO I'M SORRY THAT THESE ARE ADJUSTED TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AT FIVE, WHICH YOU ALREADY HAD, YOU ALREADY HAD IT.
I'VE ALREADY HAD YOU'RE FIVE STEPS AHEAD OF ME.
UH, BUT IF YOU DID PUT IT IN SIX, IT WOULD STILL WORK.
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BUT IT WAS SPLIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.SO WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO END UP LEARNING HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER.
EVERY CLIENT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT INTERESTING.
THE WORST PART IS UP AND DOWN THOUGH.
SO IN YOUR, UM, PENDING CHANGES CHART, WHEN YOU HAVE THE PERCENTAGE BLACK PERCENTAGE WHITE, IS THAT TOTAL POPULATION OR IS THAT VOTING AGE POPULATION? I CAN SHOW BOTH.
I HAVE, UH, IT, UH, IF I EXTEND IT DOWN, SEE THAT IT'LL ALSO INCLUDE ALL THOSE OTHER CATEGORIES.
SO WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT WHEN I REFERRED TO PERCENTAGE BLACK, I WAS TALKING ABOUT TOTAL POPULATION.
UH, BUT IT ALSO IS GOING TO BE CALCULATING THE VOTING AGE POPULATION AND IT ALSO WILL BE CALCULATING THE REGISTERED VOTERS.
SO, UM, I THINK, UH, TYPICALLY IN ORDER TO DETERMINE IF IT'S A MAJORITY BLACK MAJORITY WHITE DISTRICT, YOU LOOK AT TOTAL VOTING AGE POPULATION, RIGHT.
WE USE THE TOTAL POPULATION, TOTAL VOTING AGE POPULATION.
WE USE THE TOTAL POPULATION TO HIT A THRESHOLD, BUT THEN WE DO A SECOND LAYER OF ANALYSIS.
WE LOOK AT THE VOTING AGE POPULATION AND THEN THE THIRD LAYER OF THAT WOULD BE THE REGISTERED VOTERS.
BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE HERE THOUGH.
I WANT US TO KEEP TRACK OF THE REGISTERED VOTERS TO SEE HOW ALL, ALL OF THESE PERFORM, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR MINORITY DISTRICTS CAN PERFORM.
THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
CAUSE THAT'S THANK THE TOTAL POPULATION WAS BEING USED.
AND SO IT, IT WASN'T REAL CLEAR TO ME.
I DEVIATIONS AND OUR, OUR GENERAL POPULATIONS, UH, OUR, OUR THRESHOLD FOR MAJORITY OF MINORITIES BASED ON TOTAL POPULATION.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A BIG CHANGE BETWEEN TOTAL AND VOTING AGE POPULATION BY RACE, THEN YOU MAY NEED TO BUMP IT FROM A 55 TO 58.
AND I KNOW YOU REALLY WANT TO DRILL DOWN TO IT.
YOU ACTUALLY WOULD LOOK AT, UM, AT, UH, HISTORICAL VOTER TURNOUTS, BUT THAT'S NOT BEEN AN ISSUE HERE TYPICALLY I'VE HAD GOOD, UH, PARTICIPATION.
THAT'S MA'AM I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANY OTHER DISTRICTS BECAUSE I LIKE TO SEE 10 AND TWO CONSIDERED.
UM, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT THE COUNCIL IS VERY CONSIDERED OF THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE SEPARATING COMMUNITIES, UH, IN DISTRICT 10 AND TWO, WE HAVE SOME OF THAT WHERE, UH, ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IS ONE DISTRICT AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS THE OTHER DISTRICT, UM, IN DISTRICT 10 INTO.
WHAT AREA WOULD YOU LIKE TO LOOK AT? 10 AND TWO.
I MET WITH TWO, UH, WELL TENANT, THE NORTHERN PART OF 10.
THAT'S WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED, RIGHT? YEAH.
IS IT THE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UH, I'M SURE.
RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ONE 90, I WANT YOU TO COME SHOW ME.
COME ON UP A LITTLE BIT, NORTH 10, UM, RIGHT ABOVE A ONE 90.
SO WHERE'S ONE 90, UH, HERE, I THINK THIS IS AIRLINE ONE 90 HERE.
SO YOU GOT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF 10 OVERLAPPING INTO TWO IS, UH, AND SO, UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY SPLITTING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
TH THE, THE 79TH, UH, 70 EAST FIFTH.
ONCE I HAVE THE STREET IS FOR ONE COUNCIL PERSON AND THE OTHER SIDE IS FOR THE OTHER.
SO IT ACTUALLY SPLITS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I WILL LIKE FOR 10 TO COME BACK THIS WAY AND ALL OF THAT BE TOO.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT IN TOO.
THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, PRECINCT BOUNDARY LOOKS LIKE RIGHT THERE.
SO IF THAT WE PUT ALL THAT UP TO YOUR PRECINCT, UH, THE NUMBERS WORK AS FAR AS DEVIATIONS.
YOU HAD A PLUS TWO ON TWO AND A MINUS 4.8 ON 10.
SO IF, IF, UH, WELL, MINE WAS JUST TRYING TO BALANCE.
IT'S A ACTUALLY MAKES IT A TINY BIT BETTER.
BECAUSE TWO RIGHT NOW IS AT A MINUS EIGHT.
AND THIS BRINGS IT DOWN TO A 2.2, FIVE IT'S ALREADY STARTED.
TWO DISTRICTS, 10 AND TWO, 10 AND TWO HERE.
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SO IF WE ADD THAT IN THE NUMBERS WORK AND THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK, ELIMINATE A SPLIT THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.WHO ELSE? DON'T BE SHY? UM,
DISTRICT TWO IS AT A PLUS FIVE.
AND IF WE ASSIGN IT, DISTRICT ONE WOULD GO DOWN TO MINUS 7.8.
THAT'S ALSO KEEPING WHAT SHE SAID TOO.
THAT'S WHAT THAT CHANGE, BUT IT LEAVES ONE LOW, REGARDLESS, ONE LOW.
HOW ABOUT WESTERN NUMBERS LOOK RIGHT THERE.
IT BRINGS ME, I GOT TO TAKE A LITTLE MORE, BUT I'LL TAKE 3 37 DOWN HERE.
THREE 30 STAMPS, BROWN ROAD AND CORNY AND ALL THE HALF OF BLACK WATER.
IT'S HARD TO WALK SO YOU CAN HAVE THIS.
NO, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE.
YOU WANT ME TO ADD THAT? ADD IT BACK BACK TO ONE.
ADD THAT WHEN I CATCH IT, I GOTTA ADD THIS TO TWO AND THAT TWO, ONE, CORRECT? ALL RIGHT.
YOUR NUMBERS BALANCE MINUS 4.841 AND A PLUS TWO FOR TWO WE'RE SHOOTING ALREADY HAVE THAT AIR.
LET ME SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WHERE DID LIKE, JUST LIKE THAT, JUST LIKE THAT.
WHAT WOULD THE NUMBERS AS A PLUS TO YOUR, UH, ANY PART? BLACK IS 86 AND SINGLE RACE.
BLACK IS 84 AND DISTRICT ONE DISTRICT ONE IS A MINUS 4.85 ON DEVIATION.
SO I NEED SOME, ALL BLACK PEOPLE, JUST PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THAT'S A PRECINCT DOLLAR CUT SOMEWHERE AROUND LAURA'S ACCURATE ROAD.
WHAT I CALL ME THE VIRGIN CANAL.
RON'S YOU GET HAVE CASTLE PLACE.
UH, WHERE IS THE WHERE'S? MECU MAKE YOU ROAD.
COULD THAT WOULD DO, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
Q IS ABOUT TWO 15 AND I WOULD WANT TWO 14.
UH, YOU'D HAVE THAT PROBLEM CHILD.
THAT PUTS YOU ALL THE WAY IN ZACHARY THOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMFORTABLE NOW.
THAT'S WHERE YOUR PEOPLE, UM, I DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE FOR A WHILE.
I MEAN, I, I, I THINK YOU CAN'T TAKE, IF YOU TAKE TWO 14, THAT COMPLETELY, I'M ALREADY LOW.
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CAN'T LOSE ANY MORE, UNLESS YOU TRADE OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE.I MIGHT HAVE TO GO DIP IN THE AIR AND OVER THERE, IF I DO TWO 14 AND THEN GIVE HIM 15, LET'S SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE.
IF I TAKE TWO 14, HE GIVE HIM TWO 50.
I SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE.
WELL, LET'S SEE WHAT THE CONFIGURATION LOOKS LIKE.
STILL GOING TO BE LOW WITH A MINUS SEVEN.
I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE PIECE OF IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF POPULATION.
IT GOT SOMEONE WITH YOU, DELORES ZACHARY LANE STREET LANE, UP TO LOWER, ACCURATE, MAYBE UP TO LOWER ZACHARY ROAD.
I'M A CUE ON THE GRAVEL AND WE WE'D HAVE TO SPLIT TWO 14 AND TWO 15 AND COME STRAIGHT ACROSS IT ABOVE CHRISTINE AVENUE.
NAH, THEY GOT FLOODS ON THAT'S WHERE OBAMA CAME IN.
CAN YOU DO THAT? WHAT'S THAT? CAN YOU SPLIT PRECINCTS RIGHT NOW? SO IF YOU, IF YOU PUT THE PORTION OF TWO 14 UP TO LOWER AS ACCURATE ROAD AND THEN CAME STRAIGHT OFF OF WHERE IS ACCURATE ROAD MEETS PLANK AND KEEP COMING ACROSS TO THE RIVER, MAKE NORTH OF IT ONE AND SOUTH OF IT TOO.
SO YOU WANT TO GO THIS IN TO, OKAY.
SO LOOK, WHEN, WHEN WE FINISHED TONIGHT, CAN YOU SEND US THIS VERSION OF THE MAP? AND I WILL ADD THE, UH, CATEGORIES THAT WE DISCUSSED.
ANY CATEGORIES HERE? I WANT TO SEE.
UM, RIGHT NOW ON, UH, YEAH, NOT WANTING TO COME DOWN HERE, RIGHT? OH, NO ONE JUST TO COME RIGHT STRAIGHT ACROSS ON LAURA'S ACKER OR STRAIGHT ACROSS RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT A BLOCK'S GOING TO DO.
LET'S SEE WHAT A BLOCK BOUNDARY DOES.
AM I STILL LOOKING AT, AS FAR AS A BOUNDARY DEVIATIONS, STILL 6.1.
WE CAN'T USE NON-VISIBLE BOUNDARIES, SO I WILL STOP AND CHECK EVERY NOW AND THEN WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MIGHT BE A NON-VISIBLE.
I DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT WE'LL DO IT FOR RIGHT NOW.
HUH? SO WITH, WITH, WITH, ALL RIGHT.
THAT MAY BE A NON-VISIBLE LINE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY LIVING ON A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S A CITY BOUNDARY, A BOUNDARY FOR ZACHARY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE OFF THAT.
THAT'S A NON-VISIBLE BOUNDARY RIGHT THERE TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH SOUTH BOUNDARY, RIGHT, RIGHT HERE.
AT THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES FOR ZACHARY.
AND SINCE IT'S A NON-VISIBLE WE CAN'T USE THAT.
HOW ABOUT THE PROPOSED COMI DIVERSION CANAL? IT'S IT'S IT'S VISIBLE RIGHT NOW.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S ABOVE OR BELOW A CASTLE PLACE THOUGH.
I THINK, MAN, THIS IS IT NORTH.
SO YEAH, THAT WOULD WORK ACTUALLY.
THESE ARE THE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ONE OF TWO THINGS.
WE'LL HAVE TO COME FURTHER SOUTH.
WELL, YEAH, FURTHER, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH.
IT'S CALLED ME DIVERSION CANAL.
I'M GOING TO S IT'S IT'S PROBABLY RIGHT ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THESE SO THEY'RE NOT ISLANDS.
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ALL RIGHT.YOUR DEVIATION IS A MINUS FIVE ON ONE AND A PLUS TWO ON TWO.
NO, BUT IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T TAKE IN CASTLE PLACE.
CASTLE PLACE WOULD STAY IN TO THAT, THAT SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE.
UH, UH, DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHOICE ON THAT.
CAUSE THAT'S THAT CENSUS BLOCK.
IT'S GOT TO GO ALL IN NOTHING ON THE CENSUS BLOCK.
WELL WHAT WOULD DO THAT? LEAVE THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS.
WHAT IF I TOOK DOWN BELOW THEM RIGHT HERE? THAT CENSUS BLOCK DOWN HERE.
I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO THAT.
I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT TO CARRY CRISPIES, HAMID ACRES.
IF WE DID THAT INSTEAD, THAT WOULD PUT YOU AT A MINUS FIVE AND TO ADD A PLUS THREE.
SO NUMERICALLY, IT WOULD WORK.
THAT'S A POSSIBILITY IF WE SIGNED IT, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE 5.81.
BUT, BUT WE KNOW THE NORTHERN PORTION STILL WOULDN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THE IT'S A NON-VISIBLE BOUNDARY RIGHT OFF OF THAT.
I GOT TO MOVE OFF OF THIS RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN EITHER WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.
THAT'S WHAT THAT BLOCK LOOKS LIKE.
SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PRETTY MUCH THAT RIGHT THERE.
NO, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT.
OTHERWISE THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO INTO ONE TO GET OFF OF THAT.
LET ME JUST SEE WHAT THIS LINE IS RIGHT HERE.
ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE, IT WILL BE A MOOT POINT.
THAT'S A C WHEN THIS EMPTY FCC THAT'S A CLASSIFICATION, THE CENSUS USES FOR WHAT KIND OF ROAD IS, IF IT HAS A P THAT'S USUALLY A NON-VISIBLE.
THAT'LL ELIMINATE THE ISSUE WITH THE NON-VISIBLE.
LET'S SEE WHAT OUR NUMBERS COME UP TO.
TWO IS AT A PLUS TWO NUMBERS WORK.
PRECINCT 1 33, 7 OR 11, SEVEN LAMONT.
UH, SEVEN TO BE AT A 0.08 AND SIX WOULD BE AT A MINUS THREE 63% BLACK ON SEVEN 61% ON SIX.
THAT'S WHAT SEVEN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
11, DID YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE ON 11 YEAH.
THAT PUTS YOU AT A PLUS SIX AND SEVEN AT A MONITOR FOR I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT.
I THINK I FIGURED THE POPULATION WAS TOO HOT FOR ME TO HAVE IT, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
WELL, WHEN MAYBE I'LL FIND ANOTHER PLACE THAT WE CAN FINE TUNE THIS THING A LITTLE BIT.
WE CAN JUST KEEP THIS AS A GENERAL THING.
IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT PRECINCT.
YOU WANT TO JUST KEEP IT FOR RIGHT NOW? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S JUST KEEP IT THERE FOR THE, FOR THE TIME BEING.
YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE IT OUT AS YOU CAN SEE.
WHO ELSE WANTS TO SEE MR. CHAIRMAN? HOW ABOUT YOUR DISTRICT
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DISTRICT? SEVEN DISTRICT SEVEN DISTRICT SEVEN.ANY PART BLACK? 66 AND A HALF PERCENT SINGLE RACE.
YOU THINK YOU CAN DO THAT? ALL RIGHT.
YEAH, MY COMMENTS WERE, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING AND WOULD TRIGGER SEVERAL OTHER CHANGES IF I WERE TO ATTEMPT TO SHIFT POPULATION TO EITHER DISTRICTS 12 OR NINE OR 10, UH, OR I'M SORRY.
I THOUGHT 11 TOUCHED AS WELL, BUT APPARENTLY ON THIS ONE, IT DOESN'T, UM, I GAINED, I THINK, 18 PER DISTRICT THREE RATHER GAIN 18% IN THE PAST 10 YEARS.
SO WHAT WE DO TODAY IS NOT GOING TO BE SET IN STONE.
THIS IS JUST FOR SHOWING THE ABILITY TO SHOP THINGS AROUND.
IN FACT, THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME, KIND OF WIND IT UP UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE SOME IDEAS IS, UH, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TAKE IT WHERE WE ENDED TODAY, CLEAN IT UP, MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY STRAY BLOCKS ANYWHERE AND I'LL SEND OUT I'LL SEND OUT ANOTHER SET OF MAPS.
WE'LL SET UP ANOTHER REDISTRICTING WORKSHOP IN BLUE.
WE, UH, WE HAVE TILL AUGUST, BUT WE WANT TO DO THIS SOONER THAN LATER.
YOUR CHARTER FAR AS AUGUST THE YEAR AFTER THE CENSUS RELEASED OTHER PARISH GOVERNING AUTHORITIES, NOT WITH THAT RESTRICTION HAVE TILL JUNE OF NEXT YEAR, WAKEFIELD, CLEAN GABRIEL PROBABLY AUDIT THE COUNCIL.
YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE THIS PLAN DONE BY APRIL.
I MEAN, AUGUST FOR YOUR ELECTION NEXT YEAR.
WHERE'D Y'ALL WANT TO SAY ALL RIGHT.
IF Y'ALL ARE, UM, IF Y'ALL ARE READY TO GO AHEAD AND CALL IT A JUROR IN THE MEETING, WE WILL, I WILL SEND OUT AN INVITE, UM, TO SEE WHEN THE NEXT WORKSHOP CAN BE HELD.
I WILL FIND OUT MIKE'S AVAILABILITY AND THEN OBVIOUSLY A TIME THAT WORKS FOR ALL 12 OF YOU.