Sep 21, 2022 Council Zoning

DURING PRESENTATIONS.

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[CALL TO ORDER]

I WANNA WELCOME EVERYBODY TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED METROPOLITAN PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING ON THIS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2022 AT 4:00 PM.

ASHLEY, DO WE HAVE A FORM? WE HAVE A FORM.

WE'RE GONNA BEGIN CASE

[1. 22-00681 Case 27-22 9702-9718 Greenwell Springs Road]

DUN, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM ONE COUNCIL MEMBER DISTRICT SIX, IS ANYONE? NO, I SAID SPEAK ON ITEM ONE.

SO MOVE COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN JR.

SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER COLEMAN ITEM ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED IN DISTRICT SIX.

WE NOW GO TO ITEM TWO, WHICH REQUIRES EIGHT VOTES PA 15 2 2 2 6 9 5.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THAT CUZ COUNCIL MEMBER HEARST IS NOT IN THE ROOM.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM

[4. 22-01084 PA-18-22 Scotlandville Small Area Plan]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM FOUR, ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM FOUR, COME ON DOWN.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

I'LL BE BRIEF, BUT MY NAME IS KIM MEEK AND I'M WITH THE CENTER FOR PLANNING EXCELLENCE.

FIRST I WANTED TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBERS, BANKS, AND COLEMAN FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP ON THIS PROJECT, UH, AND RECOGNIZE THE TIME THAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS SPENT, UH, IN, IN THEIR INPUT TO DEVELOP THIS COMMUNITY DRIVEN PLAN FOR SCOTLANDVILLE IN 2020, CEX WAS HIRED BY SOUTHERN TO UPDATE THEIR CAMPUS MASTER PLAN.

AND AT THAT TIME ASKED US TO ALSO UPDATE THE SCOTLANDVILLE PLAN TO STRENGTHEN THEIR CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO BUILDING ON THE 2011 SCOTLANDVILLE COMPREHENSIVE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE PLAN BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, IS DESIGNED TO SHOW THE LONG TERM DESIRES AND NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT SHOULD BE USED TO HELP GUIDE DECISION MAKING IN THIS AREA AND WILL PROVIDE SOME PREDICTABILITY TO INVESTORS, DEVELOPERS, AND FUTURE PARTNERS WHO WILL HELP IMPLEMENT THE PLAN STRATEGIES WE'VE HELD EXTENSIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH WITH OVER 60 INTERVIEWS, 550 SURVEYS, SIX STATEHOLDER MEETINGS WORKSHOPS WITH THE SCOTLANDVILLE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, AS WELL AS PUBLIC MEETINGS TO PRESENT THE DRAFT PLAN WHILE FINALIZING THE PLAN, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO INITIATE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAMS. FOR EXAMPLE, RECENTLY PARTNERING WITH COUNCILWOMAN BANKS AT THE JEWEL J NORM NEWMAN COMMUNITY CENTER TO MAKE ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS AROUND THE CENTER.

AND ALSO WE WERE SECURED A GRANT TO ASSIST RESIDENTS, TO APPLY FOR WEATHERIZATION IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO REDUCE HOUSEHOLD ENERGY COSTS.

IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, NEARLY 200 RESIDENTS HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THAT PROGRAM.

THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INTEREST WORK AND ENERGY GOING INTO THE SCOTLANDVILLE AREA.

AND THIS PLAN SEEKS TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION, UH, TO ACHIEVE THE COMMUNITY DRIVEN GOALS EXPRESSED THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.

THE PLAN IS NOT INTENDED TO REQUIRE COMMITMENTS BY A SPECIFIC GROUP, RATHER TO ENSURE THE COMMUNITY'S VOICES LIFTED UP THROUGH THE EXPRESSION OF SHARED VISION AND COMMON GOALS.

I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM FOUR? WE NOW GO TO COUNCIL MEMBERS MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER COLEMAN SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DONE ANY OBJECTION, ITEM EIGHT PASSES.

WE NOW GO BACK TO, THERE WAS ITEM FOUR, ITEM FOUR, EXCUSE ME.

ITEM FOUR PASSES PASSES AND MORE THAN THEY VOTES.

NOW

[2. 22-00791 PA-15-22 2695 North Sherwood Forest Drive]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO? ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO? YES.

SOMEBODY COME UP.

I GUESS I'M ACTUALLY HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ITEM TWO AND THREE.

UH, THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN IN ITS CURRENT USE CONTINUOUSLY SINCE 1940.

IT WAS APPROPRIATE BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AT THAT TIME, UH, TO USE WELL AS THE OLD SHARP STATION.

UM, IT'S MOSTLY BEING USED AS OUTSIDE STORAGE.

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UM, WE BOUGHT IT AND FEMA HAS NOW LEASED IT AND ASKED US TO CLEAN UP THE ZONING WITH COMPLIANCE TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.

UH, SOME OF YOU RECEIVE THIS.

CAN I PASS THESE AROUND PLEASE? MM-HMM YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MAPS ONLY SPEAKING THE MIC.

I SAY SPEAKING THE MIC FOR ME GO.

YOU CAN PASS THOSE OUT, BUT UH, MAKE SURE YOU'RE SPEAKING THE MIC FOR ME SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.

YEAH.

SO CLOCK IS RUNNING, SORRY, YOUR CLOCK RUNNING TOO.

SO YOU, OKAY.

SO THIS IS THE OLD BOX I GOT A OF OTHERS, BUT ANYWAY, THE JUSTIN'S GONNA HELP TO PASS OUT SHOWS THAT IT'S, UH, ZONE C A ONE SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED M ONE, THE, THE PROPERTY THAT'S, UH, GOT THE RED LINES IN IS OURS.

IT'S 128 ACRES.

THE REST OF IT IS OWNED BY EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH.

THE ZONES FUTURE USE AS SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, FEMA HAS JUST ASKED US TO GET THIS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING THAT HAS BEEN USED SINCE FREE WORLD WAR II.

UM, AND WE JUST ASKED THAT IT'S ECONOMICALLY NOT FEASIBLE FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND IT'S PHYSICALLY NOT COMPLIANT OR USABLE AS SINGLE FAMILY.

THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE.

IT HAS CRACK LIMESTONE ON A HUNDRED ACRES, UH, FOR STORAGE.

THERE'S TWO LARGE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES THERE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE GOOD ACCESS FOR SINGLE FAMILY USE.

YOU'LL SEE, ON THE MAP THAT IT HAS A VERY LITTLE BIT OF FRONTAGE ON SOUTH SHORE, ON NORTH SHORE WITH FOREST.

SO WE'RE JUST ASKING TO BRING IT TO COMPLIANT AND THAT'S ON ITEMS TWO AND THREE BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IS ANYONE ELSE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO? WE NOW GO TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER HER.

HEY, SO THE REASON WHY I'M SO ADAMANTLY AGAINST, UM, CHANGING THE ZONING IS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED ZONING TO OPERATE.

THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WHEN THEY WANT TO CUZ THEY'RE THE FED, RIGHT? SO THIS IS WHERE ALL THE TRAILERS ARE BEING STORED, WHERE ACROSS FROM WHERE BR HEADQUARTERS USED TO BE ON NORTH SHORE, WHERE FOREST.

SO FOR ME, WHEN I THINK ABOUT LONG TERM USE IN AN AREA LIKE THIS, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PARTS OF THE CITY.

SO I THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE ENGAGE ON TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENTS AND BEAUTIFICATION TO INCLUDE AN, A ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME SO THAT THEY'RE WALKING TRAILS LIKE THEY DO IN BURBANK AND OTHER PLACES KIND OF FEED INTO THE PARK INSTEAD OF TAKE AWAY FROM IT.

THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED A ONE, BUT STILL HAS PERMITABLE USE FOR AS LONG AS THIS OCCUPANT IS THERE.

WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS A ZONED TO M ONE.

NOW M ONE IS ON THERE CURRENTLY IS OWNED BY BRICK.

OKAY.

M ONE IS A SECOND WORD, ZING THAT WE CAN PUT UP.

SO THE SAME TIRE SHREDDER PLANT THAT, UM, CHARTER BANKS FOUGHT SO MUCH TO AGAINST IN NORTH BAT ROUGE.

ONCE YOU ZONE IT IN ONE, IT BECOMES IN ONE PERMANENTLY.

SO IF HE DECIDES TO SELL THAT PROPERTY OR THE OWNER DECIDES TO SELL THAT PROPERTY TOMORROW, YOU CAN PUT A TIRE SHREDDER, LITERALLY 300 YARDS FROM MY PERSONAL HOUSE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ON MY WATCH.

AND I'M ASKING THAT MY COLLEAGUES SUPPORT ME IN THAT, CUZ IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT THEY DO NOW.

IT'S WHAT THEY DO IN THE FUTURE.

RYAN, PLEASE COME TO THE MIC.

HE'S GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THEY DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO CONTINUE OPERATIONS.

BUT IF YOU DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO CONTINUE OPERATIONS AND THAT M ONE ZONING JUST SAYS THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO SOMETHING WITHIN THE FUTURE.

AND THAT'S WHY I NEED RYAN AT THE MIC TO EXPLAIN THIS.

AND IF I NEED MORE FIVE MINUTES, KEEP ROLLING.

THANK YOU.

SO IT APPEARS THIS SITE AND I'VE SHARED THIS WITH THE COUNCILMAN IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, UH, APPEARS THAT THE PREVIOUS USES THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED ON THAT SITE ARE CLASSIFIED AS A LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE UNDER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THOSE USES WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AS LONG AS THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DISCONTINUED FOR A PERIOD OF NO MORE THAN 24 MONTHS.

SO HEY, HEY RYAN.

SO, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT DISCONTINUE TO OPERATE FOR 24 MONTHS OR LONGER.

SO THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO CHANGE THE ZONING CUZ IT WON'T INTERFERE WITH THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THEY DO TODAY OR THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THEY DO IN THE FUTURE.

AND THEY CAN STILL DO IT

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SO WHY WOULD WE CHANGE IT? IF WE GO TO M ONE, WE CAN'T GET IT BACK.

IF HE SELLS IT TOMORROW AND SOMEBODY DECIDES TO PUT A GREASE, UM, TRAP COMPANY OR A TIRE SHREDDER OR A CONCRETE PLANT THERE, THEN IT WON'T BE ACCEPTABLE FOR ME OR FOR MY NEIGHBORS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IS THERE A MOTION COUNCIL MEMBER HURST? UH, I, I, I HAVE A MO MOTION TO, UH, DENY MOTION TO DENY BY COUNCIL MEMBER HURST.

IS THERE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DONE? YOU WANNA SPEAK, GO COUNCIL MEMBER.

THANK YOU.

I ALSO, UH, AM AGAINST THIS, UH, REZONING AND ACTUALLY AGAINST THE CURRENT ZONING.

UM, IF MANY OF YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU HAD THE FLOOD OF 2016, ALL OF THE DEBRIS IN THE AREA, NOT JUST THE PER AND THE AREA WAS STORED AT THIS LOCATION AND THE DUST AND THE DEBRIS THAT, THAT FLEW AND SPREAD IT THROUGHOUT THE AREA JUST CREATED HAVOC.

THERE WAS EVEN ONE EVENING THAT THE STUFF CAUGHT A FIRE.

UM, SO IT'S A VERY, UH, DANGEROUS SITUATION IN, IN MY OPINION, WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING THERE NOW.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM ANY AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER.

THEY REFERENCE THE BEAUTIFUL BRICK PARK THAT IS THERE, THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY.

AND THERE'S ALSO RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE BUS TRANSFER WHERE OUR STUDENTS TRANSFER ON BUSES AND WERE SUBJECT TO ALL OF THIS DEBRIS AND INDUSTRIAL, UH, WASTE THAT WAS SPREADING THROUGH THE AIR.

SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF DENYING THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

NO, THANK YOU.

UH, RYAN QUESTION.

UM, JUST SO I'M CLEAR WHEN YOU STATE THE, UM, HOW THEY CAN CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS LONG AS THEY DON'T STOP FOR 24 MONTHS, DOES THAT MEAN UNDER THEIR PERMITTED USES? HOW BROAD IS THAT ON, ON AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A LAY DOWN YARD OR, UH, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

DOES THAT MEAN IT CAN CONTINUE BEING EXACTLY WHAT IT IS OR HOW MUCH DEVIATION ARE THEY GIVEN UNDER WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING? SO BASED ON OUR RECORDS, THE PREVIOUS ESTABLISHED USE ON THAT PROPERTY WAS OUTDOOR STORAGE.

UH, THEY CAN'T EXPAND IN ANY WAY.

THE, THE LEGAL NONCONFORMING CLAUSE IN THE UDC IS VERY SPECIFIC.

THEY CANNOT ADD ON OR EXPAND.

UH, THE PREVIOUS BLUEPRINT THAT THEY ESTABLISHED, THOSE USES THERE'S ANY QUESTION TO THAT.

THE, THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THROUGH RECORDS OR AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, EXACTLY THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT USE, BUT HE CAN CONTINUE THOSE, THOSE ESTABLISHED USES ON THE PROPERTY.

A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS, UH, A NEW PROPERTY OWNER EITHER, UH, HAS TROUBLE GETTING INSURANCE ON THAT PROPERTY OR THE MORTGAGE HOLDER WILL ESTABLISH AND, AND REQUIRE THAT THE PROPERTY GET WHATEVER THAT THE LEGAL ZONING, THE EQUIVALENT OF THE LEGAL ZONING.

AND, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT'S ASKING FOR TODAY TO HAVE IT REZONED.

UM, FOR SOME, SOME REASON THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN FINE, HIS ATTENTION TO BE IN COMPLIANCE FOR FINANCING.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO, UH, AGAIN, JUST, UH, I JUST WANNA BE AS CLEAR AS YOU CAN BE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I'VE GOT A, A PERCENTAGE OF, AT LEASE TO A COMPANY FOR LAY DOWN AND THEY'RE NOT USING IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY CONTINUE LEASING IT.

AND THEN AT A LATER DATE, THEY COME AND PLACE ITEMS THERE.

WOULD THAT BE IN COMPLIANCE OR OUTTA COMPLIANCE IF THEY'RE LEASING THE SPACE THE WHOLE TIME, IT'S JUST, WOULD THEY PUT THERE, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING OR NOT? I, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW, UH, HOW MUCH, UM, AVAILABILITY OF, OF, I DON'T KNOW, THE, THE, THE WORD I'M TRYING TO FIND, BUT HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH CAN THEY DEVIATE FROM WHAT EXACT EXISTS EXPLICITLY TODAY IT'S TO THAT USE OR ANY LESSER USE ON THAT PROPERTY? OKAY.

WE HAVE A LIST OF USES IN, IN, UM, CHAPTER NINE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

HE CANNOT ADD A MORE INTENSE USE ON THAT PROPERTY, IN OUR USE LIST.

SO THE USE, SO NOT, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT'S BEING DONE THE USE OR, OR THE BOUNDARY OR ANY EXPANSION EXPANSION, HE CAN'T ADD ON ANY EXISTING BUILDINGS.

HE CANNOT, UM, NOTHING REQUIRED PERMIT, MOVE EXISTING USES INTO AREAS WHERE THOSE USES WEREN'T PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED, OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER HURST.

SO LET ME BE CLEAR THEIR STORING AND STAGING FEMA TRAILERS HERE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD THE CONTINUED USE WOULD BE.

SO THE ZONING DOES NOT NEED TO BE CHANGED TO GET TO THAT POINT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA STILL ALLOW IT.

THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR UMPTEENTH YEARS.

I PREFER THAT IT NOT BE THERE, BUT I'M OKAY WITH IT BEING THERE, BUT WHAT I'M NOT OKAY WITH IS A TIRE SHREDDER PLANT OR A GREASE PLANT OR A CONCRETE PLANT.

BUT WHAT I WANTED TO COMMENT ON IS IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER M ONE ZONE IN KELVIN HILL, THE MAYOR, RICK SPEARS, AND, AND, AND COREY WILSON, I'LL HAVE EMAILS ABOUT ME WHERE THEY'RE STAGING

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AND FRED MIGHT BE ON THERE TOO.

I THINK THAT'S HORRIBLE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, IT PUTS MOLD IN THE AIR.

IT PUTS A WHOLE BUNCH OF TOXINS IN THE AIR THAT HURT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND IT.

SO I'M NOT JUST GOING AFTER THIS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I'M ALSO TALKING TO BRETT FOR THE, THE PERMITTABLE LAND USE THAT THEY HAVE NOW AND ASKING RICH SPEARS TO MAKE A LANDFILL AT A LANDFILL AND NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

MM-HMM SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS PROPERTY IS EVERYTHING AROUND IT.

AND AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY WILL PUT UP ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TIES INTO THAT BEAUTIFUL PARK, NOT A CONCRETE PLANT, NOT A TIRE SHREDDER PLANT, NOT A GREASE TRAP.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COUNCIL MEMBER, ROBERT PAUL MESSINA.

HELLO, MY FRIEND.

HEY, HOW ARE YOU? CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE LEGALITY SURROUNDING, UM, POTENTIALLY OPPOSING THIS WHENEVER, OR IT HAS A MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED EIGHT TO ONE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVING FORWARD.

CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? I DON'T.

SO ARE THERE ANY LEGAL CONSEQUENCES WITH DENYING THIS? NO, MA'AM OKAY.

IT ULTIMATELY RESTS WITH THE METROT COUNCIL.

GOT IT.

ALSO, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WITH REGARD TO, DID YOU HEAR THE CONVERSATION WITH REGARD TO THE FEDERAL USE, THE CONTINUED USE AND THE 24 MONTHS? AND YES.

MA'AM.

DO YOU AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT? YES, MA'AM.

IT IS A, IT'S A LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE.

IT CAN CONTINUE IN AND ITS CURRENT CAPACITY, BUT AS RYAN SAID, IT CANNOT BE EXPANDED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

SO IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE IT AS A, IF IT'S USING FOR FEMA STORAGE TRAILERS, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

THEY CAN'T EXPAND THAT USE THOUGH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I DON'T DOUBT WHAT RYAN HOLD.

NO, NO, NO, BUT I, BUT I AGREE WITH WHAT, WHAT HE HAD SAID.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY ITEM TWO BY COUNCIL MEMBER, HER SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

DUN, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THE DENIAL ITEM TWO HAS BEEN DENIED.

[3. 22-00792 Case 33-22 2695 North Sherwood Forest Drive]

RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH SHERWOOD FOREST DRIVE NORTH OF SOUTH SOUTH CAW DRIVE COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE HURST, MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED 80 ZERO.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM THREE SHOWING NOW I'M GONNA GO DOWN TO COUNCIL.

I HAVE A MOTION TO DENY.

WANT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, UH, SIMILAR PROPERTY, SAME AREA.

THANK YOU.

THERE IS A MOTION TO DENY SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN.

IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THE MOTION TO DENY SHOWING NONE? ITEM THREE HAS BEEN DENIED.

WE NOW

[5. 22-01085 PA-19-22 4663 and 5000-5100 Joor Road]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM FIVE? WHEN NOW GO TO COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE NEED EIGHT VOTES.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, DISTRICT FIVE HEARST.

WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? COUNCIL MEMBER HEARS MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER HURST, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ADAMS. ANY OBJECTION? COUNCIL ITEM FIVE PASSES PER

[6. 22-01086 PUD-2-22 Joor Place, Concept Plan]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM SIX? WE NOW GO TO COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

OH, ERIC PIAZZA IS HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM.

OH, THAT'S ITEM EIGHT.

OH YEAH.

OH, MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEARS SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ADAMS. ITEM SIX HAS BEEN APPROVED.

WE NOW

[7. 22-01087 Case 47-22 1419 Julie Street]

UH, WE NEED A MOTION TO DEFER THIS ITEM TO OCTOBER 19TH, 14, 19 JULIE STREET TO REZONE FROM HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL TO GENERAL OFFICE LOW RISES ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF JUNIOR STREET, WEST OF SOUTH 15TH STREET COUNCIL DISTRICT 10 COLEMAN COMMISSION ACTION.

MOTION TO DEFER TO OCTOBER 17TH, COUNT CARRIED SIX ZERO.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM SEVEN? COUNCIL NEED A MOTION TO DEFER TO COUNCIL.

SO MOVED BY COUNCIL NUMBER COLEMAN, UH, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ROCKER.

YOU WANT TO SPEAK COUNCILMAN ROCKER? OKAY.

MOTION HAS BEEN MOTION TO SECOND.

IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? ITEM SEVEN HAS BEEN DEFERRED.

WE

[8. 22-01088 Case 50-22 8391 Anselmo Lane]

AND SELMO LANE TO REZONE FROM SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL HEAVY COMMERCIAL TWO ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SELMO LANE, SOUTH OF BACARDI AVENUE TO EAST OF MADERA DRIVE COUNCIL DISTRICT 11 ADAMS MOTION TO APPROVE 80 ZERO.

IS ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM EIGHT.

WHEN NOW GO TO COUNCIL COUNCIL

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MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER ADAMS SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN ITEM.

EIGHT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

WE GO TO ITEM NINE,

[9. 22-01089 Case 51-22 10830 Greenwell Springs Road]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NINE? WHEN I GO TO COUNCIL, IS THERE MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER? HERRS SECONDED BY THE CHAIRS.

THE ONLY OPPOSITION ITEM NINE HAS BEEN APPROVED.

WE GO NOW

[10. 22-01090 Case 52-22 4601 and T4701 Stumberg Lane ]

IS ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 10.

WE NOW GO TO COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR LONG.

FOR HOW LONG? OCTOBER, OCTOBER NINE.

THERE'S A MOTION TO DEFER THE ITEM FOR 30 DAYS.

SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

NO ITEM 10 HAS BEEN DEFERRED FOR 30 DAYS.

WE

[11. 22-01091 Case 53-22 20239 Highland Road]

IS ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 11.

WE NOW GO TO COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER, HUDSON SECONDED BY THE CHAIRS.

ANY OBJECTION TO ITEM 11.

WE NOW GO TO ITEM

[12. 22-01092 Case 54-22 1440 Government Street]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 12? WE NOW GO TO COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER COLEMAN MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER COLEMAN SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DONE.

ITEM 12 HAS BEEN APPROVED.

WE

[13. 22-01093 PUD-14-06 Mickens Road, Concept Plan Revision 3]

THERE WE'RE GONNA NEED A MOTION TO DEFER THIS ITEM TO JANUARY 18TH, IT'S PUT 14 DASH SIX MICKENS ROAD CONS PLAN REVISION THREE PROPOSED REVISION TO RELOCATE PHASE FOUR COMMERCIAL AREA INTO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USE ON PROPERTY LOCATE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MICKENS ROAD, WEST JEWEL ROAD, COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE HURST COMMISSION ACTION TO DEFER TO DECEMBER 12TH CARRIED SEVEN ZERO.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 13? WHEN NOW GO TO COUNCIL WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DEFER MOTION TO DEFER IT.

UH, JANUARY 18 BY COUNCIL MEMBER HURST, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

ROCKEN ITEM 13 HAS BEEN DEFERRED ITEM 14,

[14. 22-01094 PUD-13-06 Pecue Place, Concept Plan Revision ]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 14? WE NOW GO TO COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER HUDSON SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HURST.

ITEM 14 HAS BEEN APPROVED ITEM

[15. 22-01120 Provide findings of a study in regard to Residential Lot Size and Density in Rural Zoning as requested of the Planning Commission in Resolution 55900]

HU, WE'RE GONNA REFER ITEM 15 FOR DAYS.

GO AHEAD.

SO THE TURN YOUR MIC ON, I THINK IT'S ON IT IS ON IT'S ON FAIR.

OH YEAH.

SO THE FEATURE VR PLAN IS COMING OUT.

CAN WE DEFER IT EVEN LONGER THAN 30 DAYS TO GIVE THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIT SO WE CAN HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT ALL OF IT, RIGHT? POTENTIALLY AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR YOU WANT TO ASK COUNCIL MEMBER DONE TO ADJUST HIS MOTION COUNCIL MEMBER DONE WELL IF I'M COUNCIL MEMBER.

NO.

SO THIS WAS ALREADY PERFORMED AND I THINK THIS IS JUST PROVIDING THE FINDINGS FROM WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

SO WHILE I AGREE, UH, ANY IMPLEMENTATION OF SOME OF THIS MAY BE, UH, FOUND TO BE BETTER PLACED WITH FUTURE VR UPDATES.

I THINK, UM, AN EXPLANATION OF THE FINDINGS FROM THE WORK I ALREADY DONE IS STILL APPROPRIATE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

AND I'M FINE WITH A DEFERRAL MM-HMM I, I DON'T BASED ON TONIGHT AND HOW WE'RE DOING THAT.

I'M FINE WITH REFERRAL TILL NEXT, UH, NEXT MEETING.

BUT, UM, RYAN, DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT THIS IS? YEAH.

I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IT.

IT'S BASICALLY INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY.

THIS WAS A, A STUDY THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THAT ORIGINATED WITH COUNCILMAN NOLL.

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I'LL BE HAPPY TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT.

UM, BASICALLY THE HISTORY OF RURAL ZONING, UM, WE CAN PULL UP SOME GRAPHICS AS NEEDED.

UH, I THINK YOU HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU.

WE HAVE A FEW EXTRA COPIES OF NEEDED, BUT THE HISTORY OF RURAL ZONING GOING WAY BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALLOWED ALL SORTS OF COMMERCIAL USES LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, IT WAS REFERRED TO THE, THE WILD WILD WEST.

IF YOU HAD ROLL ZONING, YOU COULD BASICALLY DO WHAT YOU WANT ON YOUR PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, THAT THAT HAS CHANGED.

THERE'S BEEN CHANGES TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT HAVE TAKEN SOME OF THOSE USES AWAY.

UH, THIS IS BASICALLY A UPDATE TO A PREVIOUS STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2016, WHICH LIMITED THE DENSITY IN ROLL ZONING FROM 7.3 UNITS, AN ACRE TO 4.1 UNITS, AN ACRE.

IT ALSO REMOVED THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FROM THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE IT WAS PROBLEMATIC.

UH, EXHIBIT ONE IN THE STUDY THAT YOU HAVE ATTACHED TO YOUR AGENDA SHOWS THE RESEARCH THAT THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER.

I'D LIKE TO SINGLE OUT ADVANCED BALDWIN FROM OUR OFFICE.

HE WORKED ON THIS EXTENSIVELY, UH, AND MET WITH THE COUNCILMAN ON THIS TO KIND OF BRIEF HIM ALONG THE WAY.

BUT BOTTOM LINE IS WE REVIEWED PURE CITIES IN AND AROUND LOUISIANA, UH, THAT COMPARE TO BENON ROUGE.

WE LOOKED AT CITIES ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES, UH, FOR COMPARISON, BUT EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORIES.

SOME ARE SIMILAR, THERE'S DIFFERENT NAMING CONVENTIONS.

SO IT'S NOT A TRUE APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON ON THIS RESEARCH, BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME HAVE SIMILAR, RURAL LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS.

SOME HAVE MUCH LARGER, RURAL LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS.

SOME HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THAT, THAT EXHIBIT ONE COMPARISON ON THE RESEARCH ON THE PEER CITIES, MOVING ON TO, UH, EXHIBIT TWO, YOU CAN SEE A CHART THAT CALLS OUT THE FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DIFFERENT LOT SIZES IN RURAL ZONING.

IT IT'S, IT'S NOT A, A SIMPLE ONE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL PROPERTY THAT OWN RURAL WORLD PROPERTIES, UH, WITH A LAND USE DESIGNATION, OTHER THAN AGWORLD IN FUTURE VR CAN, CAN HAVE AS SMALL AS A LOT OF, OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET THAT THAT'S ALSO DEPENDENT ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE SEWER ACCESS AND AVAILABILITY AVAILABILITY THAT 6,000 SQUARE FOOT RURAL LOT SIZE HAS TO BE, UM, AN OVERALL DENSITY OF 4.1 UNITS, AN ACRE.

AND AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO CONNECT TO CITY SEWER IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CONNECTION.

THE LOT SIZE IS MUCH GREATER THAN 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S 22,500.

UH, IF THEY DO HAVE A COMBINATION OF RURAL ZONING AND AG WORLD LAND USE AND FUTURE BR, THERE WAS A ONE ACRE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT.

UM, MOVING ON TO EXHIBIT THREE, YOU CAN SEE A MAP OF THE CITY PARISH BROKEN INTO COLORS OF YELLOW AND GREEN.

EVERYTHING IN GREEN HAS THAT COMBINATION OF WORLD ZONING AND AG WORLD LAND USE.

SO THOSE TWO THINGS TIED TOGETHER THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE UDC FOR OVER 22 YEARS, UH, REQUIRES ONE ACRE, LOTS.

EVERYTHING IN YELLOW HAS RURAL ZONING AND DOES HAS A LAND USE DESIGNATION OF SOMETHING OTHER THAN AG RURAL LAND USE THOSE LOTS IN THE YELLOW AREA COULD POTENTIALLY BE 6,000 SQUARE FEET AT A DENSITY OF 4.1 UNITS, AN ACRE, ASSUMING THEY HAVE A CONNECTION TO CITY SEWER.

UH, MOVING ON ITEM, UH, FOUR IS, UH, FINDINGS.

THERE'S REALLY FOUR OPTIONS THAT THE STAFF LAID OUT OPTION.

ONE IS USING THE, UH, NEXT UPDATE TO FUTURE BR THAT WILL BEGIN NEXT YEAR IN 2023, THEY'LL BE EXTENSIVE OUTREACH.

WE'LL BE MEETING WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVING OPEN HOUSE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND, UH, ALL CORNERS OF THE PARISH.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO, UH, LOOK AT THE, THE AG RURAL LAND USE AND, AND POTENTIALLY MAKE CHANGES.

WE'VE DONE THAT WITH EVERY UPDATE TO FUTURE VR.

WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT AGAIN BASED ON INPUT, UM, AND, AND WHAT WE HEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS.

SO OPTION ONE IS, IS ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT WE HAVE IN THE UDC IS APPROPRIATE.

UM, IT THERE'S, THERE'S NOT JUST A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

IT, IT DEPENDS ON A, UH, VARIETY OF FACTORS, AVAILABILITY OF CITY SEWER, COMBINATION OF FUTURE LAND USE.

UM, AND THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OPTION TWO IS A SLIGHT BUMP UP TO 22 TH UH, TO 10,500 SQUARE FEET.

THAT'S OUR EQUIVALENT OF A ONE.

AND THAT, UH, DOING THE MATH EQUATES TO 4.1 UNITS IN ACRE, OPTION THREE IS A 22,500 SQUARE FOOT, LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT.

AS I MENTIONED, THAT CAME FROM, UH, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE UDC.

SO THAT'S WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CITY SEWER THERE'S, UH, THAT SIZE LOT IS ALREADY REQUIRED.

UM, AND THEN OPTION FOUR WAS A ONE ACRE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT.

OPTION FOUR WOULD, UH,

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SO IT'S, IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE.

UH, WE PROVIDED RESEARCH, UM, AND LAID OUT SOME OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, ADVANCE BALDWIN FROM OUR STAFF IS AVAILABLE.

HE PUT TOGETHER MOST OF THIS RESEARCH AND, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE IS A MOTION TO DEFER WITH RYAN JUST DID.

SO HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED? YOU WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND.

YOU HONOR WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION.

RECEIVE THE REPORT, MS. AOSA.

IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING? THERE'S A MOTION TO ADJOURN, OUR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

THERE'S ADJOURNED.