* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ONE. [00:00:01] WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, [CALL TO ORDER] NOVEMBER 16TH, 2022. COUNCIL ZONING MEETING. WE'LL HAVE THE CALL TO ORDER. ASHLEY, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? WE HAVE A QUORUM. [Items 1 & 2] WE'LL TAKE ITEMS ONE AND TWO TOGETHER, BUT WE'LL VOTE SEPARATELY. ITEM ONE, PA 20 20 22. 1576 O'NEIL LANE TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FROM COMMERCIAL TO COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD ON PROPERTY, LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF O'NEIL LANE, NORTH OF HONEYCUTT ROAD COUNCIL, DISTRICT EIGHT AMAROSA COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED SEVEN TO ZERO. ITEM TWO CASE 58 DASH 22 15 76 O'NEIL LANE TO RESOLVE FROM LIGHT COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE RESTAURANT, AND RURAL TO TWO FAMILY ON PROPERTY. LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF O'NEIL LANE, NORTH OF HONEYCUTT ROAD COUNCIL, DISTRICT EIGHT AMAROSA COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED SEVEN TO ZERO. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH ITEMS ONE AND TWO. MR. MICKEY ROBERTSON. GOOD EVENING. UH, MICKEY ROBERTSON, 93 45 INTERLINE AVENUE. UH, BAT NEWS, LOUISIANA. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE A REZONING AND A PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, FOR A FUTURE PROJECT THAT WILL BE CALLED WILLOW SPRINGS. UH, THE WILLOW SPRINGS PRELIMINARY PLA WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY, OF COURSE, CONTINGENT ON THE REZONING AND A FILE PLAN AMENDMENT. UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS PLAYERS GATE, WHICH WAS A CATERING AND A PARTY FACILITY. UH, SO IT'S GOT SOME, UH, C A B ONE, SOME C1, UH, AND SOME RURAL ZONING ON IT. UH, AND WE ARE ASKING FOR A DOWN ZONING TO A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY, A 2.9 ZONING. UH, THIS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER USES THAT ARE IN THE AREA TO THE SOUTH. WE HAVE, UH, MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS. UH, IT'S VACANT TO THE NORTH O'NEILL TO THE EAST. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, IS LOW DENSITY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES. UH, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS ONE AND TWO? SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCILMAN OMARO. MICKEY, DID YOU HEAR FROM ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS AROUND? ANYBODY? OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE BY OMARO. SECOND AND BY COUNCILMAN? NO. ANY OPPOSITION? ITEM ONE AND ITEMS ONE AND TWO. CARRIE, THANK YOU. I, OH, I APOLOGIZE. WE'LL VOTE SEPARATELY ON ITEM TWO. IT'S ONLY FOR THE NON OCCUPIED. WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO COUNCILMAN AROSO MAKES THE MOTION. COUNCILMAN NOLE. SECOND IN THE OPPOSITION. SEEING NONE. ITEM TWO CARRIES. COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'RE GONNA SKIP ITEM THREE. WE'RE GONNA PUT IT TOWARDS THE END HERE. UH, WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH THESE OTHER ONES REAL QUICK. ITEM [4. 22-01401 Case 67-22 7808 Howell Boulevard] FOUR, CASE 67 DASH 22 78 0 8 HOWARD BOULEVARD TO ZONE FROM COMMERCIAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE RESTAURANT C A ONE TO COMMERCIAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE BAR AND LOUNGE, C A B TWO ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF HOWELL BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF HARDING BOULEVARD COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO BANKS COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. CARRIED. NINE TO ZERO WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM FOUR. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK MR. WILLIAM BRYANT IN OPPOSITION, MR. BRYANT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL JUST MAKE A NOT MOTION A NOTE OF THAT. UH, ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON ITEM FOUR, SEEING NONE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCILMAN BANKS. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND BY ADAMS IN THE OPPOSITION. SEEING NONE. ITEM FOUR CARRIES. [5. 22-01402 Case 68-22 1940 Carolyn Sue Drive] ITEM FIVE K K 68 DASH 22 19 40. CAROLYN SUE DRIVE, TERESA ZONE FROM TRANSITION TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL, ONE ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF CAROLYN, SUE DRIVE NORTH OF OLD HAMMOND HIGHWAY. UH, COUNCIL DISTRICT 11 ADAMS. MOTION TO APPROVE. CARRIE NINE TO ZERO WILL OPEN THE FLOOR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM FIVE. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEM FIVE, WISHING TO SPEAK. C A NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCILMAN ADAMS. MOTION TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN COLEMAN. ANY OPPOSITION SEEING NON ITEM FIVE CARRIES. [6. 22-01403 Case 69-22 Jefferson Highlands, 1st and 2nd Filing] ITEM SIX, CASE 69 DASH 22 JEFFERSON HIGHLANDS FIRST AND SECOND FILING TO REZONE FROM HEAVY COMMERCIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, A TWO ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST OF ALAHAN ROAD, EAST OF RIDGELEY DRIVE COUNCIL, DISTRICT 11 ADAMS COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED NINE TO ZERO. UH, WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ITEM SIX. SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCILWOMAN ADAMS MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND BY THE CHAIR. ANY OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE. ITEM SIX CARRIES. [00:05:01] ITEM [7. 22-01404 Case 71-22 1027 West Lee Drive] SEVEN, CASE 71 DASH 22 10 27. WESTLEY DRIVE TO REZONE FROM HEAVY COMMERCIAL TWO TO COMMERCIAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE BAR AND LOUNGE, C A B TWO ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WESLEY DRIVE, EAST OF NICHOLSON DRIVE. COUNCIL DISTRICT 12 RAA COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED NINE TO ZERO. UH, WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ITEM SEVEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILWOMAN. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GOODDAY. ANY OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE. ITEM SEVEN CARRIES. [8. 22-01405 SNC-2-22 East Washington Street to Lorri Burgess Avenue] ITEM EIGHT S N C DASH TWO DASH 22 EAST WASHINGTON STREET TO LORI BURGESS AVENUE, PROPOSED STREET NAME FOR EAST WASHINGTON STREET, LOCATED EAST OF HIGHLAND ROAD TO DOW RUPLE DRIVE, COUNCIL, DISTRICT 10 COLEMAN COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED EIGHT TO ZERO. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM EIGHT. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM EIGHT? SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, COUNCILWOMAN COLEMAN MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND ABOUT COUNCILMAN DUNN. ANY OPPOSITION SHOW ME IS OBJECTING, UH, SINGLE OTHER OPPOSITION. THE ITEM CARRIES WE'LL. [3. 22-01247 TA-7-22 Short Term Rentals] RETURN TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, TA DASH SEVEN DASH 22. SHORT TERM RENTALS, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT TO REVISE CHAPTER NINE, USED REGULATIONS AND CHAPTER 19 DEFINITIONS TO ESTABLISH REGULATIONS FOR SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTALS. WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM THREE. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'LL START WITH PROPONENTS FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO OPPONENTS AFTER THAT. SO FIRST, WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR IS MR. ED LAGU . GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME'S ED LAKI, 2346 PALM HILLS BOULEVARD, UH, PRESIDENT FEDERATION OF GREATER BATTERY CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS, AND A MEMBER OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL STUDY TEAM. UH, THIS GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING NOW FOR OVER THREE YEARS, AND THIS PROBLEM HAS BEEN, HAS EMERGED ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO. SO IT'S FINALLY, IT'S TIME THAT WE FINALLY TAKE ACTION ON THIS. WHEN WE STARTED THIS STUDY, BATON ROUGE HAD SOMEWHERE AROUND 450 OR SO SHORT TERM RENTALS. AS OF TODAY, THERE ARE 727 SHORT TERM RENTALS ACCORDING TO AIR DNA, AND EACH ONE OF THOSE RENTALS WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN AFTER A CURSORY REVIEW. THE STUDY TEAM REVIEWED MANY MUNICIPALITIES AS IT FORMULATED OUR ORDINANCE. DURING THAT THREE YEARS, THERE WAS PLENTY OF CONCERNS RAISED, SOME PUSHBACK, SOME COLLABORATION AND ACCOMMODATIONS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE REALIZED THAT THIS WORK PRODUCT WAS MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD IN PLACE. TODAY, IT'S TIME TO STOP THE UNREGULATED EXPANSION OF THESE RENTALS, WHICH THIS ORDINANCE IS INTENDED TO DO. REMEMBER, WITHOUT THIS ORDINANCE IN PLACE, A SHORT TERM RENTAL CAN POTENTIALLY SHOW UP NEXT DOOR TO EACH ONE OF YOU WITHOUT RECOURSE. NOW GRANTED, THERE ARE GOOD HOSTS OUT THERE FOR, FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, AND I'M SURE THE AIRBNB FOLKS WILL DRIVE THAT POINT HOME TODAY. BUT THERE'S SOME POST, ESPECIALLY IN THE WHOLE HOUSE RENTALS THAT COULD REALLY CARE LESS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY OPERATE IN. AND I'VE HEARD COUNTLESS STORIES OF BAD EXPERIENCES FROM THE NEIGHBORS OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. THIS ORDINANCE WILL PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO HELP MODIFY THOSE UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIORS, BEHAVIORS TO AN ENFORCEMENT POLICY. AS WAS STATED IN THE OCTOBER MEETING, THIS ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT PLAY BY THE RULES OR RESPECT THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOING FORWARD. THIS ORDINANCE ALSO PROVIDES FOR COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THE APPROVAL PROCESS, TO THE USE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND ALSO THE STUDY TEAM STUDY TEAM'S WORK IS NOT OVER. WE NEED TO PERFORM SOME FORM OF LOOK BACK AT HOW THE ORDINANCE IS WORKING AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO HOW TO CORRECT ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. BOTTOM LINE, THIS IS A GOOD ORDINANCE. THANK YOU, MR. BENJAMIN MUON. [00:10:01] GOOD AFTERNOON, PRESIDENT PRO. TIM. COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WAS HERE IN OCTOBER WHEN THIS MATTER WAS DEFERRED FOR 30 DAYS. SO I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT, UM, WHAT I PROVIDED THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. UM, BUT I, I WOULD ASK, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS FOR THE REASON, UM, THAT WAS JUST STATED, WE NEED SOMETHING IN PLACE. WE HAVE A, UH, WE ARE IN LIVE OAK STATE SUBDIVISION ON HISTORIC HIGHLAND ROAD, AND WE HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL. UH, AND WE'RE NOT PROVIDED NOTICE OF IT IN ANY WAY. ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, SORT OF DISCOVERED IT BY LOOKING THROUGH ONE OF THE, UH, THE WEBSITES. WE DON'T WANNA DELAY THIS ANYMORE. I WANNA SUPPORT THIS. I ASKED THE COUNCIL TO PASS THIS TODAY SO THAT WE CAN STOP UNREGULATED CHART TERM RENTALS IN THIS PARISH. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS. FIRST, IN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING NEIGHBORHOODS, WE SHOULD LIMIT CHART TERM RENTALS TO OWNER OCCUPIED. WHAT WE HAVE IS ONE RULE TO FIT ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THAT GIVES ME AND THE RESIDENTS OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD SOME CONCERN. NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN BATON ROUGE IN THE PARISH IS EXACTLY THE SAME. UM, AND SO FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE STRICTLY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING NEIGHBORHOODS, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MORE RESTRICTIONS, NOT LESS RESTRICTIONS. UM, AND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S NOT AN OWNER OCCUPIED UNIT, IT'S A, AN OWNER WHO LIVES IN RITTER, HAS BEEN UNRESPONSIVE TO OUR LETTERS. UM, AND SO WE, WE FEEL AS THOUGH IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE OWNER OCCUPIED, UH, UH, RULES FOR SINGLE DWELLING, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS. ALSO, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET NOTICE, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WOULD BE WISE, UH, WHEN WE DO THE LOOK BACK TO HAVE A NOTICE PROVISION, A MANDATORY NOTICE PROVISION TO NEIGHBORS, TO THE PROPERTY THAT'S GONNA BE TURNED INTO A SHORT TERM RENTAL, AND THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, IF THERE IS ONE FOR THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS A, A FLIP AND SOMEONE RELATED TO THE OWNER WOULD LIVE IN THE HOUSE. AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THIS STATUTE AS WRITTEN PROVIDES 90, UH, EXCUSE ME, NINE MONTHS FOR ENFORCEMENT AND COMPLIANCE. AND WHAT I WOULD ASK THIS COUNCIL TO DO IS MAKE IT, MAKE IT IMMEDIATE WITH A GRACE PERIOD FOR COMPLIANCE BUILT IN. BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS ORDINANCE ENFORCED CURRENTLY, NOT NINE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. AND WITH THAT, UH, UH, I WOULD, UH, ASK FOR PASSAGE OF THE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER PROPONENTS WISHING TO SPEAK? STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, MA'AM. MARY JANE MARKEL. I WAS PART OF THIS COMMITTEE WORKING WITH ED AND THE OTHERS. AND IT'S JUST A REMINDER BECAUSE A LOT OF Y'ALL WEREN'T HERE. THIS COMMITTEE WAS CREATED BY THIS COUNCIL AND OTHER MEMBERS THAT SAT IN SOME OF YOUR PLACES BEFORE Y'ALL CHOSE WHO Y'ALL WANTED TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE. THE COMMITTEE SAT AND WORKED. AND THE VERY, AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING, EVERYONE SAID, THIS GROUP WILL NEVER COME TO AN AGREEMENT WE DID. EVERYBODY Y'ALL WANTED ON THAT COMMITTEE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SET OF RULES, REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO YOU. SO Y'ALL WILL BE, UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS WHAT ED SAID TO Y'ALL ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS. WE GET THE COMPLAINTS OVER AND OVER, AND IT'S THE BAD OPERATORS. BUT I GET COMPLAINTS THIS WEEKEND. CARS IN BOGAR TOWN, PARKING OVER SIDEWALKS. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT TO DO, WHERE TO GO. THIS NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PLACE WHERE THERE'S SOME GUIDANCE WHERE NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THESE KNOW HOW THEY NEED TO RUN THEM. THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS KNOW WHERE THEY GO AND WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY WORK AND LIVE. I HOPE THAT Y'ALL WILL PASS THIS, AND THEN WE WILL NEED TO DO SOME FURTHER WORK TO TWEAK THIS DOWN THE ROAD A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN THIS GETS IN PLAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PROPONENTS? WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, BUT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK MR. HERB GOMEZ. UH, THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. AND WE'LL START WITH MR. DOUG SCHAFFER. GOOD EVENING METRO [00:15:01] COUNCIL. MY NAME IS DOUG SCHAFFER. I'M A 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF BO REGARD TOWN BATON ROUGE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME TONIGHT. I OWN THREE PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC BO REGARD TOWN, MY PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE AND TWO PROPERTIES I CONVERTED FROM LONG-TERM RENTALS TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I SPENT CLOSE TO $400,000 IN THE RESTORATION AND REHABILITATION OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO BEAU REGARD TOWN WHILE DOING SO. ALL THREE OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD IN FIVE YEARS, 421 GUESTS, 1,221 NIGHTS OF 4.96 REVIEW RATING, AND $17,764 IN OCCUPANCY TAXES PAID TO THE CITY. NEVER HAVE I HAD AN ISSUE WITH AN UNRULY GUEST. I'VE HAD ISSUES WITH CLEANLINESS THAT ISSUES WITH COMMUNICATION, BUT NEVER A PARTY I'VE HAD TO BREAK UP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT DISRUPTIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, MY MOST RECENT GUEST WHO CHECKED OUT TODAY SAID THEY LOVED THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF MY HOME AND ASKED FOR HISTORY ABOUT THE PROPERTY. THESE INTERACTIONS MAKE MY HEART WARM AND WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DID THIS. I DID A QUICK SEARCH IN BATON ROUGE FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL. TWO NIGHTS MIDWEEK YIELDED 487 PROPERTIES AVAILABLE FOR THAT PERIOD. IF THAT, THAT'S ON AIRBNB ONLY IF THAT'S THE CASE. AND EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES PAID SIMILAR OCCUPANCY TAXES AS I DO THAT WOULD YIELD 1.3 MILLION IN OCCUPANCY TAXES PAID TO THE CITY. UM, WHY AM I OR WE THE BAD GUY? WHY WILL I OR WE BE PENALIZED OR REGULATED FOR OPERATING A BUSINESS THAT IS GOOD FOR BATON ROUGE? UM, THE TWO PROPERTIES I RUN AS STR FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, I CONVERTED FROM LONG TERM RENTALS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. IT'S LESS WEAR AND TEAR ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S BETTER FOR MY INVESTMENT. IT KEEPS THE PROPERTY RATES UP, UH, THE ABILITY TO SHARE HISTORICALLY AND CULTURALLY CORRECT PROPERTY WITH VISITORS AND INTERACT WITH GUESTS AROUND THE WORLD. UH, DESIRE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE STAYS FOR FAMILIES. IT'S A FAMILY RUN BUSINESS WHERE I GET TO TEACH MY DAUGHTER SOME THINGS ABOUT REAL ESTATE AND OPERATING A BUSINESS AND HOSPITALITY. BOTH OF MY PROPERTIES HAVE OFF STREET PARKING. THERE'S STONES FRO FROM MY PROP FROM MY CURRENT RESIDENCE. I JUMP THE FENCE IN MY BACKYARD. I'M IN THE BACKYARD OF ONE OF MY PROPERTIES. SO I GO THROUGH THE BACK DOOR, OUT THE FRONT DOOR ACROSS THE STREET. I'M IN THE, IN MY OTHER PROPERTY. THEY'RE THAT CLOSE. AS A HOST AND RESIDENT THAT CARES ABOUT OUR CITY IN AN HISTORICAL HERITAGE OF ARD TOWN, UH, MY PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY ON A STREET THAT HAS A BLIGHTED VACANT HOUSE OF 18 YEARS. IF I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THAT, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITY AND GOOD FOR PROPERTY VALUES FOR ME TO, UH, DO THAT. UM, I THINK SOME PROPERTIES GET A BAD REP, MAYBE AS IT WAS ALLUDED TO FOR OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THE OUT OF CITY, OUT STATE HOST OR THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THE, THE PLATFORM IS NOT A PARTY PLATFORM. THAT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ABOUT 20 SECONDS TO WRAP UP YOUR REMARKS. BUT, UM, JUST EVERYBODY, PLEASE NOTE IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A FEW EXERCISE. UH, JUST SUMMING UP REAL QUICK, UH, I SCREEN MY GUESTS VERY CLEARLY. I HAD A NO REVIEW GUEST THAT WANTED TO COME IN FOR SPANISH TOWN, UH, THROUGH THE SCREENING PROCESS. I LEARNED THAT IT WAS A SENATORIAL CANDIDATE FOR BENON ROUGE THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND STAY IN MY PROPERTY FOR SPANISH TOWN. I WELCOME THEM TO MY PROPERTY. UM, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS. I BELIEVE THEY'RE UNNECESSARY. I BELIEVE THEY'RE UNFAIR, YET I CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE LONG TERM RENTAL ROUTE. AND THE CITY LOSES $6,000 A YEAR FROM ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR. COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. DAVIS WDE. UH, THANKS FOR, UH, MEETING WITH ME. UM, MY NAME IS DAVIS WDE. UH, I OWN SEVERAL, UH, LONG-TERM RENTALS, WHICH IS REGULAR TYPE TENANTS. AND IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT CUZ OF THE HIGH INFLATION, THE HIGH ELECTRICITY, THE 200% INSURANCE COSTS. SO WHAT I DECIDED TO DO, INSTEAD OF RAISING RENT ON, UH, EACH OF MY TENANTS, I WANNA CONVERT A FEW UNITS TO SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, AND I FEEL THAT, LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN BEHIND ME THAT JUST SPOKE, WE RUN OUR BUSINESS RESPONSIBLY. WE DON'T ALLOW PARTIES. WE DON'T ALLOW LOUD NOISES. UM, ANYTHING AFFECTS THE NEIGHBORS. WE DON'T ALLOW IT. UM, MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THIS, UH, AIRBNB HERE IN BANNERS, A LOT OF 'EM ARE SUPER HOST. [00:20:01] ONLY 3% OF AIR AND B AIRBNB, UH, HOST ARE SUPER HOST. THAT MEANS THEY'RE THE TOP NOTCH. THEY DON'T HAVE COMPLAINTS. THEY DON'T RUN A A RAGGED BUSINESS. UH, THEY DON'T ALLOW PARTIES, STUFF OF THAT NATURE. NOW AIRBNB IS A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAN A HOTEL. WE'RE LOOKING AT EFFECTIVELY BANNING IT EVENTUALLY. BECAUSE YES, YOUR PROPOSAL SAYS IT'S GONNA BE GRANDFATHERED THEN, BUT EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA DO AWAY WITH IT. UM, SO I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA STAY IN SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES A HOTEL. IT'S A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. UH, MY AIRBNBS ARE 500 TO 700% LARGER THAN AVERAGE HOTEL ROOM. UM, GUESTS CAN COOK. THEY, THEY CAN HAVE PRIVACY. SO SOME PEOPLE ARE DIABETIC. SOME PEOPLE WANT TO KEEP INSULIN IN REFRIGERATORS. SOME, A LOT OF HOTELS DON'T HAVE REFRIGERATORS. SO I DID SOME RESEARCH RECENTLY ON, UH, ON THEIR DNA, SLIDEDALE, LOUISIANA. IT'S THE NUMBER FIVE RANKED IN THE COUNTRY FOR AIRBNBS. THINK. WHY IS THAT? DO THEY HAVE BEACHES? DO THEY HAVE THE EMERALD COAST OF FLORIDA? DO THEY HAVE ANY OF THAT MOUNTAINS? NO, THEY'RE NUMBER FIVE. CUZ NEW ORLEANS EFFECTIVELY BAN AIRBNBS. AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE STAYING AT MY PLACES AND TALKING TO ME, THEY'RE TELLING ME THEY'RE GONNA JUST BOOK IN THE NEXT TOWN OVER AT BATON ROUGE, BANS IT. SO WHAT'S THIS GONNA DO WITH THE BATON ROUGE ECONOMY? WELL, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS LIVINGSTON AND ASCENSION PARISH IS GONNA GET A LOT OF OUR BUSINESS. THIS GENTLEMAN JUST CALCULATED 1.3 MILLION IN TAXES THAT'S GONNA GO TO THE CITY. NOW, WE ALSO HAVE RESTAURANTS, CORNER GROCERY STORES. WE HAVE ALL OTHER SUPPORT BUSINESSES. WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT AWAY TOO. THAT'S GONNA GO TO ASCENSION IN LIVINGSTON BECAUSE THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKING TO, THEY'RE VERY ADAMANT. WE'RE JUST GONNA BOOK DOWN THE ROAD. WE'RE NOT GONNA BOOK IN BATON ROUGE. GOT ABOUT 10 SECONDS, SIR. UM, SO BASICALLY I'M AGAINST THIS. IT IS EFFECTIVELY A BAN. AND, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE, THE MONEY HERE IN BATON ROUGE INSTEAD OF SENDING MORE MONEY AND MORE DOUBLE DIGIT GROWTH TO THE NEARBY PARISHES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. WILLIAM BRYAN. 47 44 JAMESTOWN AVENUE, BATON ROUGE, 7 0 8 8. UM, ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT SO MUCH IN OPPOSITION AS POINTS OF CLARIFICATION. UH, I JUST WANNA REEMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY SHORT TERM RENTALS HERE THAT ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. YOU KNOW, SADLY, COMPLAINTS MAKE NEWS COVERAGE, UM, AND THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION BECOMES SHORT TERM. RENTALS ARE ALL GUILTY AND THEY HAVE TO PROVE THEMSELVES INNOCENT. WELL, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S ACTUALLY JUST THE OPPOSITE. UM, I WORKED IN TV NEWS BEFORE I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL. WE HAD A SAYING IN THE NEWSROOM THAT WE DON'T DO A STORY ON THE BUS THAT MAKES IT TO SCHOOL SAFELY, BECAUSE THAT'S HIS JOB. YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE, ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING, AND YOU DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT 'EM. SO YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT THE GOOD ONES THAT DO THE RIGHT THING. BUT THEY'RE BECOMING QUITE POPULAR. AND THEY'RE NOT JUST FOR WEEKEND PARTIERS. THEY'RE A LOT OF LOCATION SCOUTS THAT COME IN TO LOOK FOR MOVIES. THEY WANNA STAY IN SHORT TERM RENTALS. THEY ENJOY THOSE. YOU HAVE YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS THAT COME INTO BATON ROUGE. THEY DON'T WANNA STAY IN HOTELS. THEY LIKE STAYING IN SHORT TERM RENTALS. RESTAURANT TOURS, SHOP OWNERS IN MID-CITY, IN CERTAIN AREAS OFF THE INTERSTATE, ENJOY THE BUSINESS THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE BRINGING TO, UM, THEM, UH, THAT THEY WOULDN'T NORMALLY NOT RECEIVE FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST SADDLED IN HOTELS. UM, THERE ARE MANY LAW ABIDING RESPONSIBLE SHORT TERM OWNERS FROM WHOM YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT BECAUSE THEIR BUS MAKES IT TO SCHOOL SAFELY. BUT THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB FOR OUR TOURISM, OUR CULTURE, AND OUR ECONOMY. NOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO SHORT TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SOME PROBLEMS. AS LONG AS THESE REGULATIONS THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO IMPOSE ARE RESPONSIBLE AND DON'T DO, UM, HARM TO THE RESPONSIBLE SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNERS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM. AS LONG AS THEY KEEP, UM, THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS TO, UM, FUNCTION IN THE COMMUNITY AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY AND NOT CONTINUALLY MAKE THEM GUILTY AND HAVE TO PROVE THEMSELVES INNOCENT. THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, UH, NON-OWNER OCCUPIED SHORT TERM RENTALS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP, UM, RESPONDING TO COMPLAINTS. SO, UM, THEY JUST NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE. [00:25:01] IF THEY ARE PROPERLY ADJUDICATED AND THEY CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT COMMITTING SOME OF THESE THINGS, WHICH WITH THEIR ACCUSED, THEN THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM. THEY JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE AND CONTINUE CONTRIBUTING TO THE BATON ROUGE ECONOMY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, IF YOU WOULD JUST LINE UP IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET YOU UP HERE A LITTLE FASTER. YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. UH, JAYLEN NORWOOD. AND, UH, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY. I'M A AIRBNB PROPERTY MANAGER, UM, OR SHORT TERM RENTAL. UH, 21 YEARS OLD. JUST GRADUATED LSU. AND, UM, AIRBNB IS DEFINITELY PROVIDED A WAY FOR ME TO PAY BILLS, UM, IN A WAY THAT ALSO HELPS PEOPLE EXPERIENCE THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE. UM, I'VE BUILT NOT A WRITTEN PARTNERSHIP, BUT I'VE MADE RELATIONSHIPS AT VISIT BATON ROUGE. AND THEY'VE GAVE GIVEN ME A LOT OF MATERIALS TO PUT INSIDE OF THE AIRBNBS, UM, LIKE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN, UH, TRAIL OF HISTORY, UM, AND ALL THE OTHER MATERIAL THAT THEY GIVE. SO WHEN PEOPLE COME, THEY CAN SEE THOSE THINGS AND THEY'RE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THE CITY IN A, IN A WHOLE NOTHER WAY THAT VISIT BATON ROUGE HAS PUT IN PLACE. UM, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY OUTSIDE OF THAT. I DO OPPOSE IT, UM, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE, UH, FOLLOWED THE RULES THE WHOLE ENTIRE TIME AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I SHOULD BE PENALIZED FOR WHAT OTHERS COULD DO. UM, SO THAT'S MY STANCE ON IT. AND ONE THING THAT I, I THINK WOULD BE A HAPPY MEDIUM IF MAYBE THERE WAS, WAS SOMETHING IN PLACE WHERE YOUR NEIGHBORS ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU WOULD HAVE TO SIGN SOMETHING WHERE THEY SAY IT'S OKAY FOR THAT VERSUS JUST BANNING IT, UM, AS A WHOLE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THOSE WHO HAVE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE AROUND IT. AND AS I HAVE TO SAY, I OPPOSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. LAST CALL FOR ANYONE'S WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. UH, WISHING TO SPEAK, BUT NEUTRAL. MR. PAUL EVANS. I'M IN A LITTLE UNIQUE SITUATION. UM, AIRBNB SENT ME A, THEY SENT ME A REQUEST TO COME SEE YOU GUYS. I ACTUALLY, UM, I ON A BUILDING ABOUT TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM YOU. IT'S A SIX 15 ST. LOUIS STREET. IT'S A 16 UNIT COMPLEX. I BOUGHT THAT THING ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. UH, IT WAS RUN DOWN. BATON ROUGE WAS PRETTY RUN DOWN, UH, 20 YEARS AGO. WE FIXED IT UP. I'M IN A UNIQUE SITUATION AND THAT ALSO IN PARA PROPERTIES. SO, UM, I'VE, I'VE OWNED AND RENTED PROPERTIES AND WE SOLD PROPERTIES. SO I'M, I'M KIND OF ON BOTH SIDES OF IT. ONE SIDE OF IT I UNDERSTAND AS A REAL ESTATE AGENT, I'VE HAD TO, UM, DEAL WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. AND I'VE GONE TO SPANISH TOWN OVER HERE, WANTED TO KIND OF CHECK THINGS OUT. AND I DON'T EVEN SEE, UH, HOW SPANISH TOWN COULD EVER HAVE AN AIRBNB. THERE'S NO PARKING. THERE'S, I I'VE HAD OVER 2000 GUESTS, OR 2000 RESERVATIONS IN FIVE YEARS. WE STARTED FIVE YEARS AGO. UM, AGAIN, THE CITY HAS GOTTEN TENS OF THOUSANDS DOLLARS WORTH OF TAXES AND OR SALES TAXES CAUSE THE AIRBNB COLLECTS THOSE AND GIVES 'EM TO YOU. SO FROM MY END, I'M IN A COMMERCIAL PLACE. UM, IF SOMETHING WERE TO CHANGE, I COULD TURN MY PLACE INTO A HOTEL IF I FELT LIKE IT. IT'S BEEN, IT WAS BUILT 60 YEARS AGO AND ALL THAT. SO FROM MY MY POINT OF VIEW, WE HAVE, WE, WE DO HAVE 50 GIFTS COMING IN THIS WEEKEND. WE, THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF MONEY TO THE ECONOMY. WE, WE SEND THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE. THEY'RE COMING IN FOR THE GAME. UM, SO I'M, I'M FOR REGULATION. I'M FOR REGULATION, BUT I'M NOT FOR TURNING AROUND AND, AND, AND MAKING EVERYBODY JUST THROWING A BLANKET OVER THE WHOLE THING OVER EVERYBODY. YOU CAN, CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S IN THE SAME SITUATION. I'M IN A COMPLETELY, I GOT, I GOT TWO LOTS THAT ARE PARKING LOTS. I'M IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN LIKE THE GUY THAT WOULD BE IN, IN SPANISH TOWN AND HIS COMMUNITY. SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY IS, IS BE CAREFUL THAT YOU DON'T, JUST LIKE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING UP HERE SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M NOT IN THAT GUY'S SITUATION. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REGULATION, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT DOESN'T JUST ELIMINATE EVERYBODY. DOESN'T PUT EVERYBODY IN THE SAME, IN THE SAME BOAT, SAME PLACE. SO THANK, THANK YOU, SIR. UH, ONE LAST CALL FOR ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM THREE. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED ONE EMAIL COMMENT IN FAVOR OF ITEM THREE. AND NOW WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCILMAN'S, UH, CLEVE DUNN. BRIAN, COUPLE THINGS I'M HEARING FROM THE, UH, AUDIENCE. UH, ONE IS THE BANNING LANGUAGE. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE BANNING LANGUAGE? UM, SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE AN INTERPRETATION THAT THIS WILL BAN SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND SECONDLY, SPEAK TO THE ONE SIZE FIT ALL CONCERN THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE BROUGHT UP. SURE. COUNCILMAN, THIS IS NOT BANNED SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UH, IT SIMPLY PROVIDES A FRAMEWORK [00:30:01] OF GUIDELINES TO WORK WITHIN, UH, THE MODIFICATION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION SENTS YOU AS A RECOMMENDATION GRANDFATHERS IN ALL EXISTING OPERATORS, UH, GOOD OPERATORS, THERE IS A STRICT THREE STRIKES. YOU ARE OUT POLICY IN PLACE WITH THREE CONFIRMED VIOLATIONS THAT ARE CONFIRMED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF OF PERMITS AND ENFORCEMENT. UH, IF, IF THOSE THREE CONFIRMED VIOLATIONS ARE ON RECORD, THAT EXISTING OPERATOR OR NEW OPERATOR IN THE FUTURE WOULD LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO OPERATE FOR THAT, FOR THAT YEAR. UH, THEY COULD REAPPLY AT A LATER DATE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. WAS THERE ANOTHER NO, NO, THAT DOES. THE OTHER COMPONENT OF IT WAS SEVERAL PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ONE SIZE FITS ALL AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE PROPERTY OWNER BEING IN A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT OR SITUATION THAN THAN THE OTHER. AND THIS SEEMING TO BE A ONE SIZE FIT ALL AND NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DIFFERENCES THAT THESE PROPERTIES MAY PRESENT. CERTAINLY, I'LL BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT. OR THE, THE WORKING COMMITTEE THAT THAT MET FOR THE GREATER PART OF TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS LOOKED AT THIS, UH, IN, IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY. WE RESEARCHED CITIES ACROSS LOUISIANA AND ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES. UH, WE, UH, BASED ON THAT RESEARCH AND DISCUSSIONS THROUGH THE WORKING GROUP, THAT WAS, UH, WELL REPRESENTED ACROSS MANY DIFFERENT SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, UM, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, ATTENDED THIS. THEY, UM, WE, WE DID THIS IN A WAY WHERE IT WAS BROKEN UP INTO TWO GROUPS. THERE WAS, THERE'S OWNER OCCUPIED, UH, AND THERE'S LITTLE OR NO REGULATIONS WHERE THE OWNER'S ON PREMISES. UH, AND REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING, IF THE OWNER'S ON PREMISES AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE. YOU SIMPLY, WE WANTED TO GET A REGISTER, UH, WITH, WITH, UM, THEY WOULD APPLY AT THE PERMIT OFFICE WITHIN NINE MONTHS AND SIMPLY PAY A VERY SMALL, MINIMAL FEE. AND WE WOULD HAVE RECORD THAT WHERE THAT THERE A LEGIT, UH, GOOD OPERATOR AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAP THAT, HAVE THAT ON RECORD, AND IF THERE WERE ANY VALID COMPLAINTS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROACTIVELY APPROACH THAT OPERATOR IN THE FUTURE. BUT THAT WAS A WHOLE PURPOSE IF THE OWNER WAS ON PREMISE, LITTLE NO REGULATIONS AT ALL. UH, THE OTHER GROUP IS ON ON THAT. COULD YOU, UH, GIVE THE DESCRIPTION OF, ON THE OCCUPY, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU GUYS USE AS A CRITERIA SAYING THE OWNER IS ON PREMISES. DOES THAT MEAN THEY LIVE THERE OR WHAT, WHAT IS THE LANGUAGE THERE? YES. THE OWNER WOULD LIVE THERE, ESSENTIALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE JUSTIFICATION. UH, YOU EITHER A HOME SET EXEMPTION VERIFYING THAT, THAT IT IS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE. AND THE OWNER, UH, AS LONG AS THE OWNER WAS, HAD THE ABILITY TO BE ON PREMISES AND HANDLE ANY ISSUES THAT COULD COME UP. THE WORKING GROUP WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. UM, THEY, THEY FELT THAT THE OWNER COULD HANDLE ANY ISSUES THAT CAME UP IN THE FUTURE AND THERE WAS NO NEED TO BURDEN THAT PROPERTY WITH ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS WHOLE HOUSE AND WE SPENT MOST OF THE TIME DEALING WITH HOW TO POTENTIALLY REGULATE WHOLE HOUSE RENTALS. THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC. AND WE, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE MAJORITY OF WHOLE HOUSE OPERATORS ARE GOOD OPERATORS. UM, BUT THERE ARE PROBLEM OR BAD ACTORS OUT THERE THAT, THAT CREATE ISSUES FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESTRICTED SUBDIVISIONS. AND THAT'S WHERE WE PUT, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE RESTRICTIONS IN, IN THE PROPOSED GUIDELINES. AND AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION. THERE WAS A COUPLE SPEAKERS THAT, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE AFFECTS THEM IN A WAY. THEY, THEY, UH, FEEL IT, IT, IT MAY, AGAIN, THE WHOLE HOUSE REGULATIONS WOULD ONLY APPLY THE WAY THEY'RE WRITTEN IN THE MOST RESTRICTIVE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS. SO THAT'S A ONE SINGLE FAMILY ESTABLISHED SUBDIVISIONS, A TWO, AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER FLAVORS OF SINGLE FAMILY, BUT ONLY IN THOSE MOST RESTRICTIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS. W WOULD THESE RESTRICTIONS APPLY? UM, THERE WAS A RE UH, MOST OF BOGAR TOWN, A GENTLEMAN SPOKE EARLIER. MOST OF BOGAR TOWN HAS A MIX OF ZONING. IT'S, IT'S PRIMARILY MULTI-FAMILY ZONING, COMMERCIAL ZONING AND OFFICE ZONING. HUH. THESE RESTRICTIONS WOULD NOT APPLY. THERE WOULD NOT BE A CONDITIONAL USE, UH, RESTRICTION PUT ON THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR AN APPROVAL BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, THERE'S MANY PRO PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF A ONE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE THIS PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT RESTRICTION FOR A WHOLE HOUSE PUT ON THEM. IT WOULD ONLY BE, AGAIN, IN THOSE MOST RESTRICTIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN RAA. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE TEAM THAT PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT LOOKS GREAT. THANK YOU GUYS. UM, PLEASE MR. HOLCOMB, DON'T GO TOO FAR AWAY, . [00:35:03] SO MR. MUON HAD BROUGHT UP A REALLY INTERESTING POINT, UM, WHICH THE PROVISION FOR THE NINE MONTHS FOR ENFORCEMENT, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AND WHY THAT'S IN PLACE AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. YES, AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION THE WAY IT'S WORDED. UH, OKAY. A NINE MONTH EFFECTIVE DATE OR NINE MONTH ENFORCEMENT PERIOD. UM, BASICALLY THE BACKGROUND THERE WAS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UH, PERMIT OFFICE AND WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM, FROM THE PERMITTING OFFICE. THEY NEEDED TIME IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED TO, TO BUILD OUT, UM, UH, BASICALLY A MODULE IN MY PERMIT NOW TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE FRAMEWORK FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE PERMITS AND, AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO ENTER INFORMATION. AGAIN, PAY A SMALL FEE IN THE FUTURE IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, TO TRACK SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTALS ACROSS THE PARISH. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT NINE MONTH PERIOD WOULD BE TO, TO ALLOW THE PERMITTING OFFICE TIME TO BUILD THAT OUT. OKAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS EFFECTIVE DATE, WE TALKED ABOUT GRANDFATHERING IN AND, UM, WE HAD A LOT OF LANGUAGE AND PEOPLE REFERENCING THAT. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD BE OF THESE PROVISIONS? SHOULD WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT? THE EFFECTIVE DATE COULD CERTAINLY BE FROM TONIGHT. UM, THE ENFORCEMENT PERIOD, THAT WAS THE INTENTION, THE ENFORCEMENT WOULD NOT BE ENFORCED ON THE BACK END UNTIL NINE MONTHS. OKAY. BUT THE EFFECTIVE DATE, THE INTENTION WAS, WAS TO BE DENIED. OKAY. UM, AND, AND THEN I READ THROUGH THIS, UM, AND THERE ARE A LOT, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND I, I CALLED PAULO, HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT. HE'S AT A CONFERENCE. UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN HELP ME SPEAK TO SOME OF THE LEGALITY WITH REGARD TO THE, UM, WHENEVER WE PUT THINGS THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE HAVE FOLKS EITHER APPROVE OR DENY CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, SOMETIMES IT BECOMES POLITICAL AND SOMETIMES IT IS SEEMINGLY ARBITRARY. IF WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ALREADY HAVE THREE OF THOSE. WE NO LONGER WANT ANY, WE DON'T WANT ANYMORE FOLKS COMING IN ASKING FOR THESE PERMITS. AND THEY COME AND THEY SPEAK THE LOUDEST AND THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ANGRY ABOUT, UM, ANOTHER PERMIT BEING GRANTED, WHICH HAPPENS. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. UM, WOULD THAT, WOULD WE BE OPEN TO LIABILITY AS A CITY AND POTENTIAL LAWSUITS IF THAT PERMIT IS DENIED WHERE OTHER PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED TO GET THOSE PERMITS? CERTAINLY NOT AN ATTORNEY. UM, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, A CONDITIONAL USE IS, IS IS THAT BY DEFINITION IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GENERALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT. AND WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USES THAT ARE IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE NOW IN A ONE ZONING SUCH AS, UM, DAYCARES, UH, CHURCHES, THOSE ARE ALL ALLOWED IN A ONE AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN OUR MOST RESTRICTIVE ZONING DISTRICT. WHAT IT MEANS IS THEY'RE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE AND CONSIDERED, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH A ONE SINGLE FAMILY. BUT BY DEFINITION IT'S, IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS. IT'S, IT'S, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD TAKE IT UP. UH, WE'RE REQUIRED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO FORMALLY NOTIFY RESIDENTS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THAT PROPERTY, SEND OUT NOTIFICATION TO THE, UH, ANY KNOWN CIVIC ASSOCIATION. AND IF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMFORTABLE AND THOSE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE HAVE NO ISSUE, OR THE APPLICANT HAS A HISTORY OF, OF DEMONSTRATING BEING A GOOD OPERATOR IN OTHER PROPERTIES WHERE THERE'S A LEVEL OF COMFORT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, THEN THEY CAN CERTAINLY APPROVE IT. HOWEVER, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP IN THAT PROCESS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CERTAINLY HAS THE ABILITY TO DENY IT FOR ANY REASON THAT THEY HEAR AT THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I UNDERSTAND. AND, AND THAT, THAT IS IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE NOW THAT'S SIMILAR TO, UH, TO OTHER, UM, CONDITIONAL USES THAT, THAT WE REGULATE NOW. HMM. THAT PART JUST CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT. THE OTHER PIECE THAT I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE IS IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WE CAN CONTINUE TO MODIFY OR WE CAN COME BACK IN A YEAR AND MODIFY AND PUT THINGS IN PLACE EITHER TO CHANGE OR AMEND, UM, I GUESS BASED UPON WHAT WE SEE AS WORKING AND WHAT WE SEE IS NOT WORKING OR IF WE NEED ADDED RESTRICTIONS MOVING FORWARD, IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO SO? CERTAINLY THE, THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY, UH, AS YOU MAY KNOW, TO INITIATE A TEXT AMENDMENT AND MODIFY ANY, ANY REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN, IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AT ANY TIME. THAT WAS FOR THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I, I DO HAVE, UM, SOME CONCERNS WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT JUST BECAUSE OF, UM, OF WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE GOING THROUGH AND [00:40:01] BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THOSE PROBLEMS WITH RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS. UM, SO THAT'S ONLY MY CONCERN THAT I'D LIKE TO VOICE CURRENTLY. COUNCILMAN HURST WITH THE SHARK JACKET. UH, THANK YOU. UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD AND, AND JUST, I THINK WE START TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT POCKETS OF THIS THING KIND OF, UH, BLURRING THE LINES ON SOME OF IT. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU HEARD ABOUT REGULATION TONIGHT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IS REGULATION CASE, PUTTING SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT GIVES US TEETH AS A, UH, CITY COUNCIL. AND EVERY TIME YOU HEAR ME TALK, IT'S ALL ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THIS JUST PUTS REGULATIONS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE INVESTED IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR LONG TERM. YOU JUST HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL OR HAVE SOME MECHANISM TO ENSURE THAT THAT INVESTMENT DOESN'T GO TO WASTE. YOU DON'T LIVE THERE. YOU COME THERE, YOU CAN TRASH IT. NOT SAYING YOU WILL, CAUSE I RENT AIRBNBS, I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. RIGHT. AND, AND I'M A VERY GOOD TENANT OR SHORT TERM RENTER WHEN I'M THERE, BUT EVERYBODY ISN'T. UM, NUMBER TWO, THIS THING CAN BE AMENDED. YOU KNOW, WE PUT THINGS IN PLACE ALL THE TIME AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT COME FROM THIS. AND GUESS WHAT? IT'S LIKE RAISING A KID. YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO BE A GOOD PARENT AND YOU HOPE THAT THEY TURN OUT RIGHT. BUT IT'S A GUESSING GAME AND THEN YOU MESS UP WITH THE FIRST ONE AND YOU HOPE YOU GET THE SECOND ONE RIGHT. BUT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSONALITY AND YOU GET THAT ONE. SO YOU SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS, I'M GONNA DO BETTER. AND THEN YOU JUST SPOIL 'EM AND SEND 'EM HOME. OKAY. SO MY POINT IS WE PUT FORTH THE GOOD EFFORT, BUT WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE, THE RESULTS ARE GOING TO BE. SO I, I WILL MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT, UH, RYAN, WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS TO MEASURE THIS LIKE EVERY SIX MONTHS TO LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK WE GET. BECAUSE WHAT I THINK HAPPENS IS THAT WE PUT THESE ORDINANCES IN PLACE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY TOOLS THAT MEASURE THE SUCCESS OF THEM TO SEE HOW MANY COMPLAINTS WE GET. CATEGORIZE THOSE COMPLAINTS AND DETERMINE WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF THOSE. SO WHAT I WANT TO UM, ADD IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO SOME TYPE OF FLOOR AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING, BUT JUST THAT WE HAVE A SIX MONTH FOLLOW UP, UM, ON THIS ORDINANCE TO SEE WHERE IT IS AND, AND WHAT KIND OF POSITIVE ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES COME WITH IT. I THINK THE MEASURING THE SUCCESS OF IT WILL ALLOW US TO BE BETTER LEGISLATORS AND AMENDED IF NEEDED. THANK YOU. WELL, DOESN'T KICK IN FOR NINE MONTHS, BUT AS IT KICKS IN, LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR. YES. OKAY. COUNCILMAN MO? THANK YOU MR. RYAN, CAN YOU COME UP PLEASE? WHAT IS THE DESCRIPTION OF AIRBNB AS FAR AS BUSINESS? SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT IT, IS IT A BUSINESS? IS IT, IS IT CONSIDERED A BUSINESS? IT PAYS TAXES. YOU HAVE, UM, APPLICATIONS TO ALMOST LIKE A FRANCHISE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO, I MEAN, IS IT CLASSIFIED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL CLASSIFIED AS BUSINESS? SO WE, WE HAVE IT LISTED IN THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, I GUESS CATEGORY NOW. I MEAN, SOME CITIES HAVE DONE THAT. UH, SOME CITIES HAVE NOT DONE THAT. IT'S, IT, IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SETTLED DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT STATES BY THE COURTS. I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY CONSIDER IT A BUSINESS CUZ YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, EATING, SLEEPING, RELAXING, WATCHING TV. THAT'S WHAT A REGULAR PERSON DO, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE FAMILY DOES IN A HOME. OKAY. UM, I ALSO THINK THEY, THEY DO THE EAT, SLEEP AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN A HOTEL ALSO. UM, AND THAT'S CLASSIFIED AS A BUSINESS. THEY'RE RENTING OUT A SPACE TO EAT, SLEEP VISIT AND SOMEWHERE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. IT, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY. I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IT'S, IT'S CONSIDERED A USE THAT'S ALLOWED IN, IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS SIMILAR TO OTHER LODGING AND, AND, UM, UM, BED AND BREAKFASTS THAT ARE ALREADY ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. SO IT'S A, IT'S ANOTHER ARE BED AND BREAKFAST CONSIDERED BUSINESS CLASSIFIED BUSINESS OR JUST IT'S BED AND BREAKFAST ON IT OWN? IT'S, IT'S A REGULATED RESIDENTIAL USE IN, IN RESTRICTED AREAS IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING. I'M JUST, THE REASON I'M I'M ASKING ABOUT THE BUSINESS PART IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, CONDITIONAL USE TO, TO BE ABLE TO USE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF THING IN ANOTHER TYPE OF AREA. ALL THREE SPEAKERS THAT CAME UP AND SPOKE [00:45:01] MR. SHAFFER, MR. WENDELL. SO BRIAN, I THINK EVEN MR. I'M NOT SURE NORWOOD, I THINK THREE OUTTA THE FOUR CLASSIFIED THEMSELVES AS A BUSINESS. SO THEREFORE THEY'RE WANTING TO MOVE A BUSINESS OR OPEN UP A BUSINESS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S CLASS AIRBNB, BUT THEY'VE CLASSIFIED THEMSELVES AS A BUSINESS OURSELF BY THEMSELVES. UM, THIS IS WHERE THE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE BUSINESSES INSIDE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. CORRECT. SIMILAR TO HOW DAYCARES CERTAIN LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESTRICTED NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED UNDER A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. OKAY. NEXT THING IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS HOW MUCH YOU'RE ASKING THE FEE. YES. SO A GENERAL FEE FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE A $600 APPLICATION FEE. OKAY. AND THIS IS A ONE TIME THING. ONCE IT'S ONCE A, ONCE THAT LOCATION IS BY THE SAME OWNER. IT'S A ONE TIME FEE. THIS ISN'T A REREGISTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S A ONE TIME FEE. THIS WOULD BE A ONE TIME FEE. AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE FOR NEW OLD HOUSE NON-OWNER OCCUPIED. CORRECT. IN, IN OUR MOST RESTRICTIVE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT OPERATING THERE. AND THE PERMIT NOW, THAT'S YEARLY THING. CORRECT. AND THAT'S HOW MUCH? IT'S A HUNDRED AND APPROXIMATELY $125 PLUS A $15 TECH FEE. OKAY. NOW, OTHER THAN IT BEING PUBLIC, WHENEVER THE CONDITIONAL USE HAS TO COME THROUGH AND IT GIVES THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE, THE, THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO STEP IN AND, AND, AND VOICE HAS CONCERNS AND, AND, AND COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN ROCK, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT BECOMING POLITICIZED BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME ONE GETS APPROVED, IT'S GONNA COME RIGHT TO US OR IT'S GONNA ASK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TO, UH, ASK TO BE OVERTURNED OR WHATEVER. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. BUT FROM THE AIRBNB STANDPOINT, THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE, THE SPEAKERS THAT WERE AGAINST IT. AND YES, I'M GONNA RUN INTO MY NEXT TIME IF THAT'S OKAY. UM, MR. SCHAFFER, IF YOU COULD COME UP PLEASE. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU FELT LIKE YOU WAS BEING PENALIZED, UM, IN, IN A NUTSHELL, HOW DO YOU, YOU OPERATE A GREAT BUSINESS. YOU, YOU SAID YOURSELF, YOU GOT GREAT REVIEWS, WONDERFUL REVIEWS. UM, HOW MANY PROPERTIES DID YOU SAY YOU HAD? UH, A RESIDENCE AND TWO RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT I OPERATE, THAT'S $1,200. THAT'S T R'S WAS $1,200 ONE TIME THAT YOU'LL PAY IN CONDITIONAL USE. BUT IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, I WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED, GRABBED. OKAY. THEN IT'S GREAT. SO I WOULD NOT BE, OKAY, SO YOU'LL BE GRANDFATHERED TO THAT SIX. SO YOU'LL BE GRANDFATHERED IN. OTHER PEOPLE THAT COME FORWARD WILL BE ANNUAL APPLICATION FEE. RIGHT. THE 1 25, MR. MO HAS THE FLOOR. SO WHAT, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS HOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'D BE PENALIZED OR YOU STILL PAY THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE 1 25 A YEAR REREGISTRATION? UNLESS THAT'S GRANDFATHERED IN TOO. UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND, AND I WANT TO TRY AND ASSIST HERE HOW YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'D BEING PENALIZED OR HOW WOULD THE BATON ROUGE LOSE OUT IN, IN A NUTSHELL, REAL QUICK, IF I WAS DOING A LONG TERM RENTAL, I WOULD BE NOT HAVE ANY, I I WOULDN'T BE BE ASSESSED. IF YOU HAD A LONG TERM RENTAL RENTAL, YOU WOULDN'T PAY THE 1 25 PER YEAR. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T. OR BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS. COUNCILMAN MO, JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER FINANCE IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THE SALES TAX PIECE IF YOU NEED IT. OKAY. NO, I I I DON'T NEED THAT. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S, OTHER THAN A 1 25 A YEAR, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'LL BE PAYING FOR THE THING. AND OF COURSE THE OTHER REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A MATTER OF PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, I'M, I'M, I THOUGHT WE WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FEES. UM, MR. WENDELL. WENDELL, I APOLOGIZE SIR. UH, YOU SAID YOURS IS A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. SO I, I GO TO A WEBSITE AND I BOOK A ROOM DOWN THE ROAD AT ONE OF THE HOTELS. I GET, I PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT I WANT AS FAR AS IN MY ROOM AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. I GO TO AIRBNB WEBSITE, I PICK A LOCATION IN, IN THE TERMS OF WHAT I WANT AND WHAT PRODUCTS I WANT IN THAT PLACE TO BE ABLE TO RENT OR BOOK THAT ROOM. IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN, [00:50:01] IS, IS THE HOTEL THAT I'M BOOKING DIFFERENT THAN THE LOCATION THAT I'M BOOKING? SEVERAL DIFFERENCES. UH, FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE PROBABLY BOOKING 200 SQUARE FOOT. YOU'RE BOOK MY PLACE, ONE OF MY PLACES. NO, I GET IT SQUARE FOOT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M BOOKING A PLACE TO STAY. I'M SIR I'M CHOOSING WHAT I WANT, THE AMENITIES THAT I WANT. NOT ALL HOTEL ROOMS HAVE FULL SIZE STOVES, FULL SIZE REFRIGERATORS, BUT, BUT I FIND A PLACE THAT HAS THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW THE PRODUCT IS DIFFERENT AND WHY WE SHOULD NOT PUT, WHY WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME PROTECTIONS OR REGULATIONS EXCEPT THIS TIME WE'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS DOWNTOWN OR SOMETHING. UM, WHY WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE, THE SAME REGULATIONS ON ONE BUT NOT THE OTHER. WHEN I'M GETTING, I'M PICKING AND CHOOSING THE SAME PRODUCT AGAIN. IT IS A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. IT'S NOT THE SAME PRODUCT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WE'LL LEAN WITH THAT ONE THERE. ALL RIGHT. UM, MR. NORWOOD, JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER, COUNCILMAN MO ASHLEY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE, SO GENERALLY, UM, ANY REQUEST TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE NOT CITY PARISH EMPLOYEES NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CHAIR? OH, I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. MR. CHAIR, MAY I CALL TO MR. IT'S TOTALLY FINE. I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT ACCURACY, LICENSE FEES AND TAXES, AND YOU PAY ALL THOSE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, AGAIN, I GUESS I, I'M ASKING, OTHER THAN THE THE 1 25 REGISTRATION FEE AND STUFF, IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU WOULD PAY WITH THIS ORDINANCE? AND I, AND WHAT I'M, THE REASON I'M GETTING AT THIS IS YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S BEING REGULATED DIFFERENTLY OR YOU'LL BE POSSIBLY OUT OF BUSINESS. RIGHT. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS. I DON'T WANNA PUT ANY OF 'EM OUT OF BUSINESS. SO THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AND I'M TRYING TO FIND THE BIG DIFFERENCE. AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I'VE FOUND SO FAR IS WE REGULATE HOTELS, WE REGULATE DIFFERENT THINGS. IS THE 125 REGISTRATION FEE V UM, THAT FOR A RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO I WAS ASKING DO YOU SEE ANY MORE FEES AND TAXES THAT, THAT YOU'D BE PAYING? UM, JUST TO GO BACK WHAT YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE, UH, ONE TAX THAT WE DO, WE HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX AND WE HAVE TO PAY HOTEL AND OCCUPANCY TAX. SO TO, I GUESS, ALIGN IT WITH THE HOTEL, WE, WE WOULD PAY THE SAME TAX I SUPPOSE. AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS COMPARING IT TO A HOTEL, I THINK THAT'S, LIKE HE SAID, DIFFERENT PRODUCT. THE EASIEST WAY TO COMPARE IT IS AS A LONG TERM RENTAL TO A SHORT TERM RENTAL VERSUS A SHORT TERM RENTAL TO A HOTEL BECAUSE IT IS CLOSER TO, PEOPLE ARE BASICALLY DOING LEASES FOR NIGHT BY NIGHT VERSUS LEASES BY MONTH, BY MONTH OR YEAR BY YEAR. SO I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GONNA COMPARE 'EM, I THINK IT'S EASIER TO COMPARE RENTAL TO RENTAL VERSUS RENTAL TO HOTEL. OKAY. THANK Y'ALL. COUNCILMAN, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR TIME. UH, COUNCILWOMAN COLEMAN. YES. SEVERAL QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND, AND WHEN I HEAR PENALIZE, PENALIZE THAT I DON'T HAVE CLARIFICATION ON THAT AS TO HOW YOU ALL FEEL THAT YOU'RE BEING PENALIZED. SO THAT WAS, THAT'S STILL MUGGING, UH, FOR ME. UH, REGULATIONS, YES, THERE SHOULD BE REGULATIONS JUST AS WE DISCUSSED ABOUT RUNNING THE RED LIGHTS AND ALL OF THAT. SO REGULATIONS ARE A PART OF LIFE, NOT A ONE SIZE FIT ALL THOUGH THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT I HEARD. AND NO, NOT EVERYBODY A BAD GUYS. SO EVERYBODY DON'T GET A TICKET. BUT MY QUESTION IS, AND I GUESS MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU CALL RYAN FOR ME? CUZ I DON'T WANT , I DON'T WANNA BE OUT ALL, I CANNOT. NO, MA'AM. YOU ARE, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO CALL BY YOURSELF. YOU CAN CALL. I AIN'T DOING NOTHING. NOTHING . SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, RYAN, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THREE VIOLATIONS. TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT. BUT I WANNA KNOW WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE, WHO'S GOING TO MONITOR NOW, AND, AND WE HAVE ORDINANCES, BUT THE ENFORCEMENT AND THE MONITORING OF IT IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO ME. NOT SOMEBODY JUST RIDING AROUND DURING THE NIGHT TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY. [00:55:01] AND SO TELL ME ABOUT THAT, PLEASE. THERE WAS PLENTY OF DISCUSSION OF THAT. WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL GROUP, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE SHORT TERM RENTAL POLICE THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA EMPLOY TO GO AROUND THE CITY ENFORCING THIS. IT, IT, FOR THE MOST PART IS GONNA BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN. THERE WILL BE, UH, CERTAIN COMPLAINTS THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE CALLED INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. REGARDLESS WHETHER IT'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL OR A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY, THE PEOPLE CALLING IT IN MAY NOT HAVE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO. ALL THEY KNOW IS THERE'S A LOUD PARTY OR THERE'S PEOPLE BEING UNRULY AND, AND THEY FEEL THE NEED TO CALL THAT IN. IF, IF THAT COMPLAINT IS IS VALIDATED, IT'S GONNA BE LOGGED AND DOCUMENTED. IN, IN THE MY PERMIT NOW SYSTEM, THERE'S CERTAINLY A JUDICIAL PROCESS WHERE THE APPLICANT COULD CERTAINLY, UH, APPEAL THAT OR, OR PROVIDE ADDITIONAL JUSTIFICATION TO STATE THEIR CASE. THERE. THERE CERTAINLY COULD BE, UH, AN ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION. WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT ARE CALLED OUT FOR, FOR ZONING COMPLAINTS OR ZONING COMPLIANCE. THIS WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT IF SOMEONE'S OPERATING OUTSIDE OF THE, THE LIMITATIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE AND, AND THEY'RE FOUND TO NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE AGAIN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE DOCUMENTED IN MY PERMIT NOW BY THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AND, AND IF, IF IT'S FOUND VALID, IT, IT WOULD BE LOGGED AND COUNTED AS ONE OF THOSE THREE COMPLAINTS. IF IT'S THE FINAL THIRD, THIRD COMPLAINT, THE, UH, CITY PARISH WOULD TAKE PROACTIVE ACTION TO, TO REVOKE THAT, THAT PERMIT, UH, AND, AND SEND THEM NOTICE THAT THEY COULD NO LONGER OPERATE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNCILMAN KNOW BRIAN, IF I MAY, SO THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT HOW HE COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE A, OR SEE A SCENARIO WHERE AN AIRBNB WOULD BE, UM, ALLOWED IN, IN SPANISH TOWN. UH, I THINK REFERRING TO PARKING. AND SO AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE PARKING AND LOOKING AT THIS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A STANDPOINT OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL HOUSES ARE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE CARS. IT'S QUITE COMMON. WHEREAS IF I TRAVEL WITH MY FAMILY AND STAY ON AIRBNB, IT'S ONE CAR. SO I DON'T SEE IT BEING MORE BURDENSOME IN THOSE SCENARIOS. BUT, UH, ON THAT, ALONG THAT SAME LINE OF THOUGHT, WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, HOW WE HAVE THE OWNER OCCUPIED AND THE NON-OWNER OCCUPIED, I SAW THE PARKING CAME UP AGAIN. UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ADDRESSED, IT'S NOT ADDRESSED FOR THE OWNER OCCUPIED, BUT IT'S ADDRESSED FOR NON-OWNER OCCUPIED. AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHY? CERTAINLY, UH, IT, THE, AGAIN, THE STUDY GROUP FELT IF THE OWNER WAS ON PREMISE THAT THEY COULD MANAGE ALL THINGS ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING PARKING. OKAY. THAT, THAT THEY WOULD INVITE GUESTS OR THEY WOULD LIST THAT PROPERTY. KNOWING THE CONFINES OF THAT, UH, THE LIMITATIONS OF THAT PROPERTY, HOW MANY SPACES WOULD BE AVAILABLE. THEY WOULD LIST IT ACCORDINGLY AND BOOK IT ACCORDINGLY. UM, IF, IF THE GUESTS THAT THEY BOOKED PARKED ILLEGALLY, WE HAVE ORDINANCES ALREADY IN PLACE THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK IN THE GRASS. THAT THAT'S ALREADY IN EXISTING ORDINANCE, THAT'S ON THE, THAT'S ON THE BOOKS NOW IN CITY CODE, THAT WOULD COUNT AS A VIOLATION IF IT'S DOCUMENTED. OKAY. SO, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF THE OWNER WAS ON PREMISES, THEY, THEY DID NOT FEEL IT WAS AS BIG A CONCERN AND DID NOT FEEL TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING REGULATIONS. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF PEOPLE POTENTIALLY PAVING THEIR ENTIRE FRONT YARDS. MM-HMM. , UH, WHICH WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, OTHER FLOODING CONCERNS AND OTHER ISSUES. I JUST FEEL LIKE IF PARKING IS A CONCERN FOR THE NON-OWNER OCCUPIED, IT SHOULD BE FOR THE OWNER OCCUPIED AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE ADDITIONAL CAR FOR, FOR THE OWNER THAT WOULD BE BE BE THERE OR IT SHOULDN'T, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT'S IN THE WRONG SPOT. UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND IT. UM, I ALSO SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ON THE CONDITION OF USE PERMIT. UH, COUNCILWOMAN ROCKA BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT. UM, I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE NEEDED AT SOME POINT, BUT I THINK IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO TAKE A SMALLER STEP WITHOUT THAT FIRST. UM, AND, AND JUST PUT THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE AND THE, THE LIMITATIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE OUTLINED HERE FOR BOTH OWNER OCCUPIED AND [01:00:01] NON-OWNER OCCUPIED. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS, UH, I THINK THAT'S A, A STEP TOO FAR PROBABLY AT THIS TIME. UM, PERSONALLY, UH, IT, IT MAY BE NEEDED LATER, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UH, A PROPER STEP AT THIS POINT. COUNCILMAN HURST, UH, I HAD A QUESTION FOR MS. LAMBERT, UH, OR MR. STEINER, UM, UH, MS. LAMBERT FIRST EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHO YOU ARE, UH, AND THEN IS YOU RACHEL LAMB, RACHEL LAMBERT, DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD ENFORCE THIS PERMIT. GREAT. SO, SO WALK ME THROUGH THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. UM, FIRST WITHOUT, SO LET'S, LET'S THROW AWAY THE, PUT ASIDE THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A MINUTE. WALK ME THROUGH THE, UH, THE PROCESS THAT YOU'LL USE, UM, WHEN SOMEBODY TRIGGERS ENFORCEMENT ACTION FROM YOUR OFFICE. UM, AS MOST CODE, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT THAT WE DO IS COMPLAINT DRIVEN. SO ANYTIME, UM, A COMPLAINT WOULD BE HAD, WHETHER IT BE TO THE POLICE OR TO THREE 11, LIKE SOME OF OUR OTHER ZONING VIOLATIONS DUE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SCHEDULE AN, AN INSPECTOR TO GO OUT AND, AND INSPECT THAT CODE VIOLATION. AND IF IT WAS DOCUMENTED AS, YOU KNOW, BEING, YOU KNOW, UM, OF IN VIOLATION, THEN THAT WOULD BE DOCUMENTED. AND BLAKE COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO YOU MORE ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WE PLAN TO MONITOR THE, WE'LL CALL IT THE STRIKES OR WHATEVER, THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS THAT YOU CAN HAVE. UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THIS TO THE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING PROCESS TO, UH, REVOKE THEIR LICENSE AND, AND GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS. ALL RIGHT. SO, SO THAT'S FOR DEALING WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UM, WELL THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE FOR PROBABLY LUCKILY FOR BOTH, EITHER, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SAME RULES TO OPERATING. UM, YOU JUST, THE PROCESS IS THE SAME. THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS JUST AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING TYPE STEP TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND EVERYONE AWARE THAT THEY COULD COME AND VOICE THEIR OPINION. DOES YOUR OFFICE THOUGH, HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REVOKE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? OR YOU ONLY HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO REVOKE THE NO, I, I, THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING JUDGE WOULD HAVE TO REVOKE ANYTHING. RYAN, CAN YOU TOUCH ON THAT? THE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE, HE, HE WOULDN'T REVOKE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THOUGH. HE WOULD JUST REVOKE THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THAT'S REQUIRED ON THE BACK END OF THE CUP. GOTCHA. AND SO, UM, IF WE GOT TO A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE THAT HAD A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT LOST THEIR DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, WOULD WE ALSO NEED TO GO AND REMOVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS WELL AT SOME POINT? OR HOW WOULD THAT WORK? THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AS LONG IF, WHEN THEY BECOME NOT IN USE OR INVALIDATED AFTER TWO YEARS. RIGHT. YEAH. SO IF THEY DIDN'T GET REGAIN STATUS TO GET THEIR PERMIT BACK AGAIN FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT, THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD ELAPSED BASICALLY NO LONGER BE VALID. OKAY. BUT IT WOULDN'T, IF IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY TRIGGER ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, UM, IF, IF THEY WERE JUST GOING TO GET THEIR, UH, DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BACK, CORRECT? NO, SIR, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. THAT'S THE QUESTIONS I HAD FOR Y'ALL. UM, I WILL TELL YOU, I, I SHARE SOME OF THOSE SAME CONCERNS, UH, ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UH, I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF, UH, THE ORDINANCE AS A WHOLE. UM, I, I THINK THERE IS SOME REGULATION NEEDED THERE. WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME ISSUES IN SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, AND DEFINITELY I LOVE THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THREE STRIKES YOU'RE OUT. UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF A PERMIT. UH, I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE IDEA OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. I THINK WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR A POLITICAL PROCESS, UM, THAT WILL BE RIPE FOR ARBITRARY HEARINGS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF MY CONCERN AT THE MOMENT. UH, COUNCILMAN GOODDAY? THANK YOU, SIR. UM, ASHLEY, I THINK I'M GONNA DIRECT MINE TOWARDS YOU. I LOOKED FOR THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THIS COMMISSION THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER WAS CREATED IN OCTOBER OF 2019. I WANT TO, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT HAVING THIS GROUP CONTINUE TO MEET BASED ON MY READING OF THE ORDINANCE. IT MAY, OR THE RESOLUTION RATHER, IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY, BUT IT WAS CREATED FOR THE SPECIFIC PERSON PER PURPOSE OF STUDYING POTENTIAL REGULATIONS. I DUNNO IF THEY CAN CONTINUE TO MEET OR IF WE NEED TO TAKE SOME ACTION, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, LET'S SEE IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AS A BODY TO SEE IF WE NEED TO FORMALIZE WHETHER THAT GROUP CAN CONTINUE TO MEET, TO CONTINUE EVALUATING REGULATIONS IF AND WHEN THEY'RE PASSED. I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO [01:05:01] THAT. I DIDN'T. I, UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT ORDINANCE SINCE 2019. SURE. UNDERSTOOD. UM, IF IT, IF IT DOES NOT HAVE A SUNSET PROVISION IN IT, IF IT DOESN'T SAY ONCE THEY RETURN THEIR RESULTS ON THE STUDY, I THINK THE COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONTINUE TO MEET. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMAN DUNN. RYAN, IF YOU'LL COME BACK AGAIN. UM, AND BEFORE I ASK YOU YOUR QUESTION, AS I MENTIONED AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING ON THIS, UM, OTHER CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES HAVE DONE WAY MORE REGULATION AND BANNING OF AIRBNBS OR SHORT TERM RENTALS. IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY, I DO THINK THIS COMMITTEE AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED KIND OF STRUCK A HAPPY MEDIUM WITH HAVING SOMETHING IN PLACE AND NOT GOING TOO EXTREME. SO I THINK, THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE. I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE, UH, PERMIT. SO I WANT, I WANT YOU TO JUST WALK US THROUGH THAT PROCESS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS. WHO HAS INPUT AND FINAL DECISION. WHAT'S THE PROCESS AS IT RELATES TO THAT? SO, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, IS A PROCESS THAT'S IN PLACE NOW, AS I SPOKE TO EARLIER, FOR OTHER, OTHER USES THAT ARE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE, BUT ARE, ARE HANDLED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. IN THE MOST RESTRICTIVE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, SOMEONE WOULD APPROACH OUR OFFICE, UH, APPLY, WE WOULD SEND THEM THE APPLICATION, THEY WOULD FILL IT OUT, SUBMIT IT TO OUR OFFICE. WE WOULD REVIEW IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE LIMITATIONS OF THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE. WE WOULD THEN, UM, PLACE IT ON A PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA. USUALLY THE TIME PERIOD FROM WHEN THEY APPLY TO WHEN THEY WOULD BE ON A PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA, WOULD ANY BE ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 45 DAYS. UH, FROM RECEIVING THAT APPLICATION, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD, WOULD, UH, HEAR THE ITEM BASED ON THE MERITS. THE APPLICANT WOULD GET A CHANCE TO PRESENT THE ITEM. WE WOULD SHARE THE DOCUMENTATION WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, PART OF THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION PROCESS. WE WOULD PUT A YELLOW SIGN, ONE OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION SIGNS ON, ON A STAKE ON THE PROPERTY, ON THE RESIDENCE. WE'D TAKE A PICTURE OF THAT TO DOCUMENT IT. IN ADDITION, WE WOULD SEND OUT NOTIFICATION CARDS TO ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN 300 FEET, UM, TO, UH, OWNERS OF RECORD IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THEY WOULD KNOW ABOUT THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE, UM, ASK OF, OF THE APPLICANT, AND THEN, UM, OPEN IT UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF THEY, THEY VOTED TO APPROVE IT, THE APPLICANT WOULD SIMPLY MOVE ON TO THE PERMANENT OFFICE, FILL OUT THE APPLICATION, AND BE COMPLETELY LEGAL. UH, IF FOR SOME REASON THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT APPROVE IT, UM, THERE IS AN APPEAL PROCESS TO, TO THIS BODY. SO THIS BODY COULD ESSENTIALLY APPEAL A, UH, A DENIAL OR AN APPROVAL, UM, BASED ON WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU HAD THAT YOU FELT THE NEEDS TO, TO TAKE ADDITIONAL ACTION ON. AND AS YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND ZONING AND EVEN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS ARE HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY PUBLIC COMMENT AS THEY SHOULD. WHAT MY QUESTION OR CONCERN IS, IS THERE A MERIT OR POLICY THAT THIS CAN BE DECIDED UPON WHETHER YOU MEET THIS STANDARD OR NOT MEET THAT STANDARD VERSUS WHETHER YOUR NEIGHBOR WANTS IT OR NOT WANT IT? NOT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THERE'S, THERE'S GENERAL REGULATIONS AND LIMITATIONS, UH, ALONG WITH OTHER CONDITIONAL USES THAT ARE IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. NOW, IF THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATED THEY MEET ALL THOSE, OUR OFFICE WOULD SIMPLY CERTIFY THAT IT MET THOSE GENERAL CRITERIA. BUT AGAIN, IT'S UP TO THE BODY TO, TO DECIDE BASED ON INFORMATION AND INPUT FROM THOSE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. AND, AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE SEE IN OUR EXPERIENCE IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTS MORE WEIGHT ON THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT, THAT LIVE, UH, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTIES IF THEY'RE GENERALLY OKAY WITH IT. UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT'S BEEN DENIED WHERE THE NEIGHBORS ON THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED ON EITHER SIDE OR, OR FOR IT, OR HAVE NO OBJECTION. BUT THAT CAN BE, THAT DECISION IS MADE BASED ON WHETHER THEY WANT IT OR NOT. AND THAT RATHER IF THIS, UH, OWNER HAS DISPLAYED SOME BAD ACTOR HABITS BEFORE, THOUGH, RIGHT? THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DISCRETION TO, BASED ON WHAT THEY HEAR, DECIDE WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT. WE, WE SIMPLY CERTIFY THAT IT MEETS THE REGULATIONS. BUT AGAIN, IF THEY HEAR EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, OPERATES OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE NEARBY AREA AND ISN'T, ISN'T A GOOD OPERATOR, THEY CAN TAKE THAT IN INTO CONSIDERATION AND CERTAINLY DENY IT. AND, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. MY CONCERN IS WHEN THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE [01:10:01] ANY HISTORY OF, OF BAD ACTING AND IS SIMPLY DENIED BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS OR THE RESIDENT DON'T WANT IT. AND, AND THEN I WOULD GO BACK TO, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ROCK'S CONCERN. IF THE DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT THEY'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO GET THE PERMIT, BUT THEN PUBLIC, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OUTCRY SAYS THEY DON'T WANT IT AND YOU REJECT IT, WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE US FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT BEING THAT SOMEONE ACROSS THE TOWN HAD THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AND THEY GOT THE CONDITIONAL PERMIT, AGAIN, YOU, YOU HAVE DISCRETION BASED ON THE, THE LIMITATIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO I WANNA CLARIFY SOME STATEMENTS THAT I MADE EARLIER CUZ I WENT BACK AND READ THE ORDINANCE. IF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR A CONDITIONAL USE IS, IS, DOES NOT EXIST FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR, THEN IT IS NO LONGER VALID. SO THEIR CO THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD NO LONGER BE VALID IF THEY DIDN'T OPERATE FOR A YEAR. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY SAID THAT THEIR, THAT IF YOU HAD THE THREE VIOLATIONS AND HAD YOUR DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, THEN YOU COULD NOT COME AND GET ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR A YEAR. SO IT BASICALLY WOULD INVALIDATE THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THERE ARE ALSO PROVISIONS IN THE UDC FOR THE REVOCATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO, UM, A HEARING CAN BE INITIATED TO REVOKE SOMEONE'S CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. WELL OPEN THE FLOOR TO MOTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL. HEY, I MAKING A, UH, I'M SORRY. AND JUST A MOTION TO DEFER, MAN. WE HAVE IN THE AUDIENCE, WE HAD A, A SMALL DISCUSSION ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT, BUT ENFORCEMENT FOLLOW AND SOME OTHER FOLKS AREN'T HERE TO, UH, HELP US AMEND THE LANGUAGE. SO WE WANT TO DEFER IT. UM, DECEMBER 7TH IS YOUR NEXT MEETING? IS YOUR NEXT ZONING MEETING? YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TIME FOR DECEMBER 7TH. Y Y'ALL OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S MOTION, MOTION BY HURST SECOND AND BY DONE, UH, I'M GONNA MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, WITH REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UM, I WILL TELL YOU, UH, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THERE. AGAIN, I THINK THE ORDINANCE IS OVERALL VERY GOOD, BUT I THINK THE ONE THING THAT, THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UH, I AM ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF REVISITING THAT ISSUE AND, AND RECONVENING THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE AFTER A YEAR. UM, BUT MY CONCERN IS WE ARE, WE'RE REALLY SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR A LOT OF CONTROVERSY, UH, WITH HAVING THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THERE. UM, COUNCILMAN HURST. SO OUR, OUR, OUR ISSUE WAS WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK TO PAULO ABOUT. SO, UH, I'LL ACTUALLY, UH, REMOVE MY, MY, UH, MY MOTION, UM, TO DEFER AND OUR SECOND CHOICE. COUNCILMAN MO? UH, I, I JUST WANTED TO OBJECT TO THE, UH, MOTION. I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO. I, I THINK WE NEED TO, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE'RE RIGHT ON THAT EDGE THAT WE CAN COME TO SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT AND TO JUST YANK IT OUT AND GO AHEAD AND PASS THIS. I, I THINK IT, IT, IT'S TOO QUICK. I I WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION TONIGHT. UM, I THINK WE'RE THE LOOSE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL MO. I APOLOGIZE. I, SORRY. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, COUNCILWOMAN BECKS. YEAH. SO, UM, THE, I, I DON'T KNOW THE LADY'S NAME, BUT THAT WAS A CONSULTANT FROM, UM, ATLANTA THAT I THINK SHE, SHE WAS REACHING OUT TO ALL OF US TO DISCUSS, UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE. AND, UM, BASED ON WHAT SHE WAS, WHAT SHE STATED AT THE TIME, I THINK SHE HAD ONLY SPOKE WITH YOU. COUNCILMAN DUNN, DO YOU THE THE CONSULTANT FROM ATLANTA? THINK AT THE TIME I SPOKE WITH HER. SHE MAY HAVE ONLY SPOKE WITH YOU. THIS IS ABOUT, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. SO THERE WAS A, A CONSULTANT FROM ATLANTA THAT REACHED OUT TO ALL OF US THAT WAS WORKING ON THIS ORDINANCE. AND I, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SHE'S NOT FROM ATLANTA, BUT SHE'S FROM NEW ORLEANS AND SHE'S AN AUDIENCE. OH, YES. DID WE HAVE HER COME UP ASK TO, OH, COUNCILMAN COUNCIL, COUNCILMAN LY HUDSON, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL AT YOUR DISCRETION? MATT MADAM? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO I THOUGHT YOU WERE IN ATLANTA. OKAY. LEMME SO ANYWAY, DURING, BECAUSE DURING THAT DISCUSSION, UM, I BELIEVE YOU WERE AWARE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE BEING, UM, A SOURCE OF CON CONTENTION. YES. DO YOU, SO WHEN WE SPOKE, I, I FORGOT YOU, YOU DID MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU WERE GONNA BE GOING [01:15:01] BACK, UM, MAYBE TO THE GROUP. I DON'T REMEMBER NOW. SO CAN YOU JUST EXPOUND ON WHAT THE, WHAT YOU, YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONCERNS WERE, WERE, WERE THE, UM, CONCESSIONS THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD A POSITIVE, UM, FULL, UH, RESPONSE FROM WHOMEVER YOU NEEDED TO TALK, SPEAK WITH? YES. SO MY NAME IS SHAWANDA PORE, AND I ACTUALLY OWN, UM, SEVERAL AIRBNBS HERE IN BATON ROUGE. AND, UM, I DO NOT LIVE IN, AND I AM ONE OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE, UM, OWNERS, I TELL YOU. SO LET ME ASK YOU. NO, THIS WAS A CONSULTANT AND WE DID A ZOOM. YES. THAT WAS YOUR, HE CALLED ME UP AND I'M NOT THE CONSULTANT, BUT I, THE CONSULTANT IS ACTUALLY WITH AIRBNB. AND IT'S NINA BROWN. YES. NINA BROWN. YES. THAT'S WHO, SO WHAT, WHERE DOES NINA BROWN LIVE? UM, SHE LIVES IN ATLANTA AND SHE WORKS FOR AIRBNB. I WAS FEELING REALLY COOL. COOL. ALL RIGHT. WELL, YES. SO YOU ARE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THE, THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH HER, OR? NO? WELL, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION BECAUSE I'VE BEEN, UM, ACTIVELY A PART OF THE GROUP, THE STR WORK GROUP, AND I'VE ALSO, UM, HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, NINA BROWN WITH AIRBNB, THE CONDITIONAL USE. UM, SO AS WE WORKED ON THE GROUP MM-HMM. , UM, BECAUSE I WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE GROUP THAT ACTUALLY OWNED PROPERTIES THAT I DID NOT LIVE IN, UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE WAS OF PRIORITY TO ME BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY THE CORE OF WHAT I DO. MM-HMM. , UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE. I DO HAVE SOME OBJECTION TO IT IN THAT, UM, YOUR MICROPHONE, SEAN, WHAT WERE THE CHANGES THAT NINA BROWN RECOMMENDED? DO YOU RECALL? WELL, AIRBNB DOES NOT WANT THE REGULATIONS SURPASS AT ALL. SO, UM, WE'VE HAD, UM, EMAILS AND STUFF THAT HAVE COME FROM THEM TO, UM, LEVY OUR OPINION HERE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING. BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE, UM, IT OPENS UP FOR A LOT OF, UM, DISCREPANCY. AND I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE PUBLIC, UM, BEING ABLE TO, I WORK REALLY HARD WITH MY AIRBNBS, BUT I DO HAVE, UM, I COULD SEE MY NEIGHBORS COMING JUST BECAUSE GENERALLY THEY DON'T WANT BEAR SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THEIR COMMUNITY MM-HMM. . SO THEY CAN COME HERE AND OBJECT. AND I KNOW THAT PERSONALLY, I DO EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO MAKE MY GUESTS HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR MY NEIGHBORS. I FEEL LIKE I DO MORE THAN WHAT MY NEIGHBORS DOES IN ORDER TO KEEP MY PROJECT FIGURE OUT WHY I DON'T, I'M, ONE OF THE THING I'M REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT IS WHY, UM, EACH PERSON COMES UP IF THOUGH IT'S PUNITIVE THAT AND THEY ALWAYS MAKE, UM, A COMPARISON REGARDING GOOD AND BAD, UH, TENANTS AND THE EXPERIENCE. AND I DON'T GET THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THIS, UM, ITEM. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WHETHER YOU ARE GOOD OR BAD. RIGHT. IT HAS NOTHING TO, TO DO WITH, BECAUSE THE LABEL IS THERE THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE A BAD THING. AND IF YOU COMPARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO LONG TERM RENTALS, I HAVE BEEN THAT BUSINESS. AND IT DOESN'T, I WRITTEN THAT BECAUSE WE ALL TRAVEL, WE ALL HAVE TO TRAVEL. MANY OF US ON THIS COUNCIL TRAVEL HAVE TO DO A LOT OF TRAVEL. SO WHERE, WHERE Y'ALL GETTING THAT FROM? REVIEWS? UM, IT'S REVIEWS, IT'S PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, GROUPS THAT I'M IN THAT TALK ABOUT AIRBNB OR SHORT TERM RENTALS IN REGARDS TO THAT. IT'S JUST A PUBLIC OPINION, BUT I GUESS WE CAN ARGUE IT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE, THE TABLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S BAD AND IT, IT DEFINITELY HAS IS BOTH JUST LIKE A HOTEL OR ANY OTHER LONG TERM SHORT TERM HAS ITS COUNCILWOMAN BANKS. DO YOU WANT YOUR SECOND PROBLEM, PLEASE? SO FOR ME, I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW THE GROUPS AND I HAVEN'T, I DON'T THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE PERSONS WHO'VE REACHED OUT TO US HAVE BEEN NEGATIVE. UM, WHAT'D YOU SAY? MM-HMM. WHAT'D YOU SAY? OKAY. Y'ALL STOP OVER THERE. NO, I, OKAY. SO I, I'M, AND, AND I, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU I DON'T DO THE GROUP, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT CUZ I MIGHT BE WHO THEY TALKING ABOUT. SURE. SO FOR ME, UM, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT YOU, BECAUSE, AND I'M, I'M, I'M THINKING BECAUSE THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE THAT COME UP HERE, THAT MAKES ME WANNA PROVE IT BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING IN ANY BUSINESS REVIEWS, GOOD OR BAD IN ANY BUSINESS, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME, UM, SOME REGULATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT FIRST STARTS. I, I JUST, I HAVE, I THINK SO OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT GOOD AND BAD, [01:20:01] I'M LOST. I DON'T GET THAT. WHY WE DOING THAT? I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING IT FOR THAT. I THINK WE'RE DOING IT FOR, FOR REGULATORY PURPOSES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GOOD OR BAD. WE DO REG, WE HAVE REGULATORY, UM, FOR, UM, MEDICAL MARIJUANA. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOME PEOPLE GOOD. AND I MEAN, THAT'S AS CONTROVERSIAL AS IT GOES, BUT IT'S ABOUT REGULATION, NOT ABOUT PUNISHMENT, NOT ABOUT PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION, NOT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT YOU, YOU KIND TO ME DIGGING INTO WEEDS ABOUT. RIGHT. I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT OF THE REGULATIONS. LIKE I SAID, I PARTICIPATED ON THE GROUP. I THINK THAT THE ONLY, UM, PART OF IT THAT HAS A LITTLE ROOM, I THINK FOR IMPROVEMENT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE. HAVING TO HAVE TO COME HERE AND REQUEST A COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF MY CONDITIONAL USE BASED UPON MY NEIGHBOR'S PERCEPTION. BUT EVERYTHING WE DO ON PLANNING IS OWNING IS LIKE THAT. EVERY LAST THING IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A BUILDING IS, THERE CAN BE PEOPLE WHO COME AND SAY, I DON'T WANT THAT. IT COULD BE IN A FLOOD ZONE, IT'S THE TRAFFIC THAT, BUT THE, IF YOU, THE FIRST THING, IF YOU MEET ALL THE REGULATIONS FOR THE COMMIT FROM THE COMMISSION, AND THAT'S THE FIRST GOOD THING, THEN IT'S UP TO THE, THE PUBLIC TO CONVINCE US THAT IN SPITE THAT SOMETHING'S WRONG. AND THE ONLY WAY THEY GONNA DO THAT IS BECAUSE A HORRIBLE NEIGHBOR MAYBE. BUT IF YOU ARE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, THEY NOT GONNA HAVE ANYTHING. I WILL REMEMBER THAT IF I HAVE TO COME UP TO THE COUNCIL, THAT I'LL BE LOOKING FOR MS. BANKS TO HELP ME SUPPORT THAT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S I'M TELLING YOU, AND I, AND I SERVE ON PLANNING AS WELL. SURE. BUT THAT'S ALL IT IS. IT DOES NONE OF THAT, ALL OF THAT IS PART OF A CITIZEN'S. RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT SO THAT'S ALL IT IS. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO BIG DEAL. IT REALLY ISN'T. UNLESS YOU ARE A BAD, YOU KNOW, A ACT, A BAD ACTOR, A BAD ACTOR, AND YOU'RE NOT SO MM-HMM. , I MEAN, IT HAPPENS WITH EVERYTHING. ABC BOARD, I DON'T WANT AN ALCOHOL LICENSE. PEOPLE GONNA COME UP AND COMPLAIN. THAT'S JUST PART OF THE PROCESS OF MAKING SURE THAT ALL VOICES ARE HEARD. YOU'RE LOOKING TO BE LIKE, I'M SO NAIVE. NO, NO, I'M LOOKING AT MR. DUNN. LIKE, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE CALLING ME UP HERE. BUT YES, I, I CALL YOU UP HERE. I THOUGHT I'LL CALL YOU FROM ATLANTA. HE CALL YOU FROM NEW ORLEANS . SO, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THIS IS THE ONLY LADY I TALKED TO. I'M SORRY FOR PUTTING YOU IN THIS, THIS PORTION, BUT, BUT IT, IT, AND YEAH, BUT YOU DID GOOD. YOU DID GOOD. YOU GAVE ME A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF WHERE THE CONTENTION AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE WAY PEOPLE, UM, PERCEIVE IT AND ALL OF THAT. AND, UM, I ACTUALLY JUST HAD A MEETING WITH ON ADJUDICATED PROPERTY AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME, THEY WERE INTERESTED IN IT FOR THE R B AND B, AIRBNB. AIRBNB TOLD YOU, I DON'T NEED IT. . BUT REALLY THAT WAS THEIR INTEREST AND I WAS EXCITED ABOUT THAT ACTUALLY. OKAY. CAN SHE SIT DOWN ON COUNCILWOMAN? PLEASE? SIT DOWN, MA'AM. THANK YOU SO KINDLY. OKAY. I, I THINK YOU NEED TO ASK THE CHAIR FOR PERMISSION. ALL RIGHT. THE CURRENT MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UH, WAS FROM COUNCILMAN HURST, SECONDED BY DONE TO DEFER FOR 30 DAYS. THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS TO APPROVE AS AMENDED, REMOVING THE PROVISION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT COUNCILMAN HURST WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE HIS MOTION TO DEFER. AND COUNCILMAN DUNN IS WANTING TO REMOVE HIS SECOND, UH, SO, SO THERE'S ONE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. COUNCILWOMAN ADAMS. I'D LIKE TO GIVE COUNCILMAN MO MORE TIME NO, WITH, WITH, WITH THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION, IF THAT'S OKAY. I, THE CHAIR'S WILLING TO, I'M NOT ASKING TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC. I'M ASKING YOU TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL AND THAT, THAT'S ALL I JUST ASKED FOR A SECOND TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL IS, I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING TO PASS THIS WITHOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE AND EVERYTHING HAS WORKED ON FOR YEARS NOW WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE BEING PUT IN THERE. UM, AS I WAS TRYING TO SAY A WHILE AGO, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND I WAS OUTTA TURN, BUT I, I THINK IN, IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WAS WHEN STUFF GOES BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING PLANNING AND ZONING PASSES, YAY OR NAYS BASED ON THE LAWS AND THE ORDINANCES THAT WE PASS AND THAT WE SET BEFORE THEM AND SO ON. I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL RIGHT NOW THE CONDITIONAL USE IS SET TO THE AIRBNB IN SPECIFICS TO BE TURNED DOWN OR APPROVED. [01:25:01] UH, COUNCILWOMAN ROCKER BROUGHT IT UP A WHILE AGO ABOUT THE, IF, IF, IF 1 4 55 RIVER BEND ROAD GETS PASSED AS A AIRBNB AT 1.5 6 1 4, 4 5 6 COMES IN FOR AN APPLICATION AND THEY JUST GET FLAT OUT RIGHT, TURNED DOWN, WHAT RECOURSE IS THERE? IT, WHAT GUIDELINES, SPECIFIC GUIDELINES DID THEY GO FOR? PASSING ONE BUT NOT THE OTHER AND SO ON. UM, TO SPEAK ON TO COUNCIL WOMAN'S BANK COUNCILWOMAN BANKS IS, UM, WHERE DO YOU GET THE INFORMATION, WHETHER IT'S A GOOD OR BAD OWNER? I, I READ 'EM EVERY TIME I STAY IN AN AIRBNB. WHEN I TRAVEL, I USUALLY STAY IN AIRBNBS. I LOOK AT THE REVIEWS, I LOOK AT THE OWNER, HOW THEY WERE TREATED, WHAT KIND OF CONDITIONS THE PLACE WAS IN, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. DO I HAVE PARKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE? SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR INFORMATION, WHETHER THEY'RE A GOOD OR BAD OWNER OR WHATEVER ELSE. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE, UH, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE OUTLINE OF SHOULD THIS BE DONE HERE AS A P AND Z MEMBER, AND DOES IT MEET, MEET THE CRITERIA AND EVERYTHING, NOT WHAT KIND OF REVIEWS THAT PERSON GETS. SO I'M JUST SAYING IF WE COULD COME TO A CONSENSUS TO DEFER THIS ONE MORE TIME. UH, Y'ALL SAID Y'ALL HAD SOMETHING WE WERE WORKING ON. UM, FIND OUT SOME SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR, FOR TURNING THESE DOWN TO WHERE IT DOESN'T JUST BECOME A NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR THING. UM, AND HAVE SOME MORE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES. I THINK WE'RE CLOSE TO GETTING IT. THAT'S ALL I WOULD ASK. COUNCILMAN MO, ARE YOU MAKING A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO DEFER? I AM. I'M MAKING A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO DEFER SECOND AND BY ADAMS FOR HOW, HOW LONG COUNCILMAN MO? DECEMBER 7TH. DECEMBER 7TH. I SAW ANOTHER HAND OVER HERE, I THOUGHT. POSSIBLY NOT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, UH, NO OTHER SPEAKERS. WE WILL OPEN THE MACHINES FOR THE MOTION TO DEFER FOR 30 DAYS. UH, FOR TIL UH, DECEMBER 7TH. TIL DECEMBER 7TH. MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE MOTION TO DEFER TO DECEMBER 7TH. MOTION FAILS. WE'LL VOTE ONE MORE TIME ON THAT ONE. IF SOMEBODY'S MACHINE DIDN'T WORK, PLEASE REOPEN THE MACHINES. MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE MOTION TO DEFER TO DECEMBER 7TH. NO . YOU WANT ME TO VOTE FOR YOU? MOTION FAILS. WE'LL OPEN THE MACHINES FOR THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH REMOVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH AN AMENDMENT, REMOVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE ITEM WITH AN AMENDMENT TO RE TO REMOVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT. YOU VOTED YES. SO THE MOTION CARRIES. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN ADJOURNED MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ASO. SECOND BY THE CHAIR. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.