Aug 16, 2023 Council Zoning

ITEM THREE M CUP ONE DASH TWO THREE.

I'M MELANIE HAYES.

AND I'M DWAYNE HAYES.

UH, WE'RE THE APPLICANTS OF THE PROPERTY ON PLAN ROAD 1 1 1 6 9 PLANK ROAD.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS? ? NO.

NO.

YOU JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M SURE THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW.

IS ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? COUNCIL MEMBERS? SHAUNA MOTION TO APPROVE MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER BANKS, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ROCKER AND THE OBJECTIONS.

ITEM ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED.

[2. 23-00928 Case 39-23 11023 Devall Lane]

DEVAL LANE TO REZONE PROPERTY FROM RURAL TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL.

ONE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF DEVAL LANE, NORTH OF BLUNT ROAD COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO COMMISSION ACTION.

MOTION TO DEFER ITEM, UH, SEVEN ZERO.

WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THE FURTHEST ITEM.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? WE NOW GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER'S MOTION TO DEFER TO THE SEPTEMBER 20TH MEETING BY COUNCIL MEMBER ROCKER.

SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GODA.

ANY OBJECTIONS? ITEM TWO HAS BEEN DEFERRED.

WE NOW GO TO YES, THERE WAS, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTED TO BE DEFERRED.

MADE A MOTION TO DEFERRED ITEM YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? RYAN? THIS ONE HADN'T BEEN PLANNING COMMISSION.

OH, OKAY.

YEAH, IT HADN'T BEEN APPROVED.

YEAH.

GOTCHA.

ITEM TWO, ITEM TWO WAS, UH, DEFER NEEDS TO BE DEFERRED TO THE SEPTEMBER METROPOLITAN COUNCIL ZONING MEETING.

IT HASN'T BEEN HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION YET.

THERE IS A MOTION TO DEFER TO THE SEPTEMBER 20TH MEETING BY COUNCIL MEMBER ROCKER.

SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GODDE AND THE OBJECTIONS ITEM HAS BEEN DEFERRED.

[3. 23-00929 MCUP-1-23 Aurora Park]

AURORA PARK, PROPOSED EVENT CENTER SERVING ALCOHOL LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF JEFFERSON HIGHWAY, EAST OF ALDER DRIVE, DISTRICT NINE.

WE WILL BEGIN WITH RICHARD BABIN.

OH, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO GO AHEAD, SIR.

YEAH, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST.

PLEASE GO AHEAD IF THAT'S OKAY.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

UH, GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON.

CHAD STEVENS, MR. ENGINEERING 93 45 INLINE AVENUE, UH, HERE TONIGHT.

PRESENT OR THIS AFTERNOON PRESENTING MUP FOR AURORA PARK, WHICH IS A PROPOSED EVENT CENTER, UH, WITH THIRD PARTY ALCOHOL AT 1 6 5 2 5 JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

UM, THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL

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NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FROM FUTURE BR RN SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL ALONG PRIMARY ROADS OF WHICH JEFFERSON IS A PRIMARY ROAD.

AS SUCH, THERE'S AMPLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT UP AND DOWN, UH, JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR AN MUP, WHICH IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THIS IS NOT A REZONING.

UM, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS FOR USES THAT ARE SUPPORTED, UH, BY THE AREA AND ARE GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, BUT REQUIRE INDIVIDUAL REVIEW OF THEIR APPROPRIATENESS, UH, FOR THE PARCEL OF LAND.

UM, SPEAKING OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE SITE TO THE WEST, THERE'S MULTIPLE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES INCLUDING TEAM SERVICES, LOGISTICS, L AND S AUTOMOTIVE, WHICH IS AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP.

UH, WE HAVE ST.

LUKE BAPTIST CHURCH AND THEN WE HAVE NENE'S FINE CATERING.

UH, NENE'S IS JUST OVER 300 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED SITE, AND IT IS ACTUALLY ZONED COMMERCIAL, UH, WITH THE C B ONE ALCOHOL ZONING.

UH, SO THERE'S ALREADY ALCOHOL ZONING WITHIN APPROXIMATELY 300 FEET OF THE SITE.

UM, WHEN NENE'S WAS REZONED IN 2019, NOT A SINGLE RESIDENT FROM THIS AREA SHOWED UP TO OPPOSE, UH, THAT REZONING.

AS STATED IN THE PLANNING STAFF FINDINGS, THE REQUEST THAT WE ARE HERE SPEAKING ON TONIGHT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, D P W AND, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE BOTH CERTIFIED, UM, THAT THIS PROJECT IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN AND CONSISTENT WITH THE USES IN THE AREA.

UH, WE HAVE SUBMITTED A DRAINAGE STUDY TO D P W THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED.

THE SITE IS NOT LOCATED IN A FLOOD ZONE.

UM, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM DOES MEET THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT WAS, UH, ENACTED APRIL 1ST, 2023.

UH, TRAFFIC DISCUSSION.

UH, WE HAVE, WE HAD A REQUEST FROM, UH, D P W TO EITHER INSTALL A LEFT TURN LANE OR MAKE THIS DRIVEWAY RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.

UH, WE HAVE MADE THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SITE PLAN.

AN EVENT CENTER OF THIS SIZE WOULD CREATE APPROXIMATELY 10 AFTERNOON PEAK HOUR TRIPS, WHICH IS ABOUT ONE CAR EVERY SIX MINUTES.

UH, AND THIS IS DUE TO GENERALLY EVENTS ARE BEING HELD OUTSIDE OF YOUR PEAK HOUR.

UM, AND AN EVENT CENTER GENERALLY HAS VERY FEW, IF ANY, MORNING PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

SO IF, IF YOU DID, IF SOMEONE WERE TO DEVELOP THIS AS RESIDENTIAL, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO 13 LOTS.

THAT WOULD PRODUCE 13 TRIPS, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE TRAFFIC THAN, THAN AN EVENT CENTER IN THE PEAK HOUR.

SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, FIRST WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR, UH, RICHARD BABIN.

UP HAPPENING IS IF YOU HAVE A RECEPTION BAND COME TO PLAY FOR YOUR EVENT, THEY BRING IN THEIR OWN SOUND, THEY'LL SUBCONTRACT OUT A COMPANY LIKE P S SS AND THEY'LL BRING IN THEIR OWN SOUND.

UH, MY NAME'S RICHARD BABIN.

I AM, UH, RESIDENT OF, UH, 9 2 4 3 HOMESTEAD DRIVE.

I'M ALSO THE H O A PRESIDENT FOR HOMESTEAD, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

I'M ALSO HERE REPRESENTING MS. LEE OF THE HIGHLAND CLUB.

SHE'S THE H O A PRESIDENT OF HIGHLAND CLUB, WHICH IS ALSO JUST A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH ON JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

UH, BEEN A RESIDENT THERE FOR THREE YEARS NOW, AND WE DO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENTAL AURORA PARK EVENT CENTER.

UH, I BELIEVE, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS ADDRESSED ANY CONCERNS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS.

THERE'LL BE NO OUTSIDE ENTERTAINMENT CLOSING AROUND MIDNIGHT, UH, HAS ALL THE PROPER BUFFER LANDSCAPE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, HAS SECURITY DURING THE EVENTS.

AND SO HE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC JUST A MINUTE AGO.

I FEEL THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WAS MINIMAL BECAUSE OF THE EVENTS NOT HAPPENING DURING THOSE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC TIMES.

SO WE JUST HAD AN H O A MEETING THIS PAST SUNDAY, AND WE HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT AT OUR H O A MEETING FROM ANYBODY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, SO AT THIS POINT, WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE AURORA PARK DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MICHAEL MCDOWELL.

UH, GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING US OUT HERE.

UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME.

UM, I'M HERE, UH, NOT SO MUCH TO SPEAK AS CHAD DID IN TERMS OF, UH, U D C COMPLIANCE.

AND I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE U D C.

I JUST WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE POLICIES AND FLOOR PLANS THAT, UH, AREN'T A PART OF THE APPLICATION PER SE, BUT IS WHAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO CODIFY THAT AS PART OF THE, UH, APPLICATION HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE.

UM, FIRST I JUST WANNA MAKE THE POINT THAT WITH MOST RECEPTION HALLS, YOU'LL HAVE A, A REVAMPED BUILDING OF SOME KIND.

YOU'LL HAVE, UH, AN HISTORIC ESTATE.

YOU HAVE THE OLD STATE CAPITAL, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE CHANGING THEM ARCHITECTURALLY DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE OR ISN'T EVEN ALLOWED IN SOME CASES.

SO WHAT ENDS

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AND THEN THE VENUE HAS NO CONTROL OVER HOW LOUD THAT ENDS UP BEING.

AND I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND, MY, UH, MY SISTER'S WEDDING, THE BAND WAS TOO LOUD.

AND YOU CAN'T GO UP TO THE GUY WHO OWNS THE VENUE AND SAY THE BAND'S TOO LOUD.

'CAUSE IT'S ALL AN EXTERNAL APPARATUS THAT'S BEEN PLACED THERE.

SPECIFICALLY FOR THE EVENT AT AURORA PARK, WE HAVE BUILT-IN HOUSE SOUND.

SO IF YOU WANNA PLUG YOUR BAND IN, YOU CONTROL THE MIX.

YOU CONTROL HOW LOUD YOUR, UH, VOCALIST IS WITH RESPECT TO THE BASS OR THE DRUMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WE CONTROL THE VOLUME PERIOD.

SO YOU PLUG INTO OUR SYSTEM, BUT YOU CONTROL HOW YOUR MIX IS MIXED.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS THE FLOOR PLAN REAL FAST.

I KNOW THAT, UH, MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS ALREADY.

UH, THE ONLY PLACE THAT THAT AMPLIFIED SOUND IS GONNA BE IS IN THIS INTERIOR ROOM.

AND WE PUT, UH, THESE EXTERIOR ROOMS AROUND THE SIDES AND, UH, THE, THE PART THAT BORDERS JEFFERSON, UM, OUT OF JUST, UH, OF RESPECT REALLY TO THE, UH, THE PIN OAK NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A CONCERN ABOUT NOISE.

UM, SPECIFICALLY INSIDE THAT ROOM, WE HAVE 96 4 BY FOUR ACOUSTIC PANELS FROM ACOUSTICAL SOLUTIONS BASED OUTTA RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.

UH, THEY HAVE A NOISE REDUCTION COEFFICIENT OF 85%, WHICH MEANS THEY ABSORB 85% OF THE SOUND THAT HITS THEM.

IN SHORT FOR MUSIC OF SOME KIND TO GET ALL THE WAY OUT INTO THE PARKING LOT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A AIRCRAFT CARRIER LEVEL DECIBEL RANGE.

UH, FURTHERMORE, ON OUR SITE PLAN, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL LOT IS 130 FEET AWAY.

UH, FOR THE SOUND TO NOT ATTENUATE COMPLETELY OVER THAT DISTANCE IS REALLY JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

UH, THE REAL FAST, I KNOW I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME.

THE POINT WAS MADE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT, THAT THIS MAY BE TRYING TO OPERATE AS A BAR OR A JUKE JOINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH, THE POINT I JUST WANNA MAKE IS ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC UNTIL THEY HOST A SPECIAL EVENT AND WE'RE CLOSED UNTIL WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT.

THE ONLY THING WE OPEN FOR IS THAT, UM, AND THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE RRP.

SIR, THAT'S YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE IT.

NO PROBLEM.

NEXT WE HAVE PAM BOWMAN.

MY NAME IS PAM BOWMAN, AND I LIVE AT 1 6 0 3 6 CREEK MEADOW DRIVE, WHICH ABUTS THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS BEING BUILT ON.

I'VE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND THIS AREA HAS PLENTY OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AROUND ARRESTING BOARD IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS ZONED FOR ALCOHOL, AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL NEIGHBORS ON CRAIG MENTAL DRIVE, AND THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT AS WELL.

THERE'S ONE RESIDENT ON JEFFERSON HIGHWAY WHO HAS HARASSED ME AND OTHER NEIGHBORS TO POSE A PRO.

HE AND HIS FRIENDS ACROSS JEFFERSON HIGHWAY DON'T LIVE NEARLY AS CLOSE TO THIS SIDE AS I DO.

BILLY AQUILO CAME TO MY HOUSE AND TRIED TO GET ME TO GO TO A MEETING HE WAS HOSTING TO BUILD OPPOSITION.

I SAID AT THE SAME TABLE AS BILLY.

AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THE DEVELOPER AND ENGINEERS HELD TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT.

MICHAEL WAS VERY CLEAR THERE WOULD BE NO OUTDOOR PATIOS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE PRESENT WHEN THERE'S ALCOHOL FOR EVENT.

BILLY CAME TO MY HOUSE AND SAID MICHAEL WAS LYING AND WANTED TO BUILD A BALL WHERE THERE WOULD BE DRUNK PEOPLE OUT ON A PATIO ALL NIGHT.

THIS IS JUST NOT TRUE.

AND HIS OPPOSITION IS BASED ON OG, EXCUSE MY FRENCH, BUT IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY THAT HE WAS SPREAD THIS LIES ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND ARREST THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRIED TO OPPOSE IT.

I'VE LIVED THERE A LONG TIME, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY HAS NEEDED FOR YEARS.

I WANTED MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS WANTED.

PLEASE RECOMMEND THE PROOF.

MR. ADAM FIELDS.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK HERE TODAY.

MY NAME IS ADAM FIELDS AND I LIVE ON CREEK RENTAL DRIVE IN THE PIN OAK NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND MY PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSED PROPERTY THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY.

THE REASON I'M HERE REGARDING THAT RECEPTION HALL IS REALLY QUITE SIMPLE.

I JUST FIND IT TO BE AN INCREDIBLY BENEFICIAL AND DESPERATELY NEEDED FACILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE REALLY IS NO SUCH FACILITY OF THIS CALIBER ANYWHERE NEAR OUR AREA.

AND IN ADDITION, I, I JUST CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THAT EVERY SINGLE ISSUE THAT THE OPPOSITION HAS RAISED HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED NUMEROUS TIMES ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS TO REALLY BE A NON-ISSUE, PARTICULARLY NUMEROUS TIMES BY MR. MCDOWELL HIMSELF.

THE OTHER REASON I AM HERE TONIGHT AS WELL IS BECAUSE AT THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION THAT I ATTENDED, I AND MANY OTHERS WHO WERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT WERE BASICALLY RIDICULED AS NOT HAVING VALID VOICES ON THIS AND TOLD THAT WE'RE NOT A REAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR

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SUPPORTING THIS.

THAT'S JUST INCREDIBLY DISRESPECTFUL TO BOTH ME AND THEM.

AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME SINCE PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE THAT I KNOW WHO IS IN FAVOR OF THIS HAS PERFECTLY VALID REASONS TO WANT A RECEPTION HOLE IN THE AREA.

AND NOT TO MENTION THE OPPOSITION, ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO SPOKE AT THE PREVIOUS ONE, REALLY JUST BOILS DOWN TO ONE UPSET GROUP AND ONE UPSET FAMILY.

YOU SEE, THIS REALLY JUST BOILS DOWN TO THE FACT THAT AS MS. PAM JUST MENTIONED, THE MAN NAMED BILLY AGUILAR, WHO'S MOST LIKELY HERE TONIGHT AND GOING TO SPEAK IS THE MAIN MAN IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.

AND WHEN HE CAME TO THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION, OVER HALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE WERE FRIENDS AND FAMILY OF HIS, IT WAS HIMSELF, HIS WIFE, DAUGHTER, SON, LAWYER, AND BUSINESS PARTNER'S WIFE, JUST TO NAME A FEW.

AND IN DOING SO, HE TRIED TO PASS THEM OFF AS PRETTY MUCH REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE LOCAL COMMUNITY, IGNORING THE REST OF US WHO ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

NOW, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT HE SAID TO THEM IN ORDER TO GET THEM THERE, BUT I DO KNOW WHY HE WANTS THIS DENIED BECAUSE HE SAID SO HIMSELF AT THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION.

NOW, I WANNA READ YOU A BRIEF EXCHANGE FROM THAT PLANNING COMMISSION BETWEEN COUNCILWOMAN BANKS AND MR. AGUILAR.

AND I QUOTE, OKAY, SO IN A YEAR AND A HALF, YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT ANY OTHER PERSONS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? OTHER THAN YOURSELF.

OF COURSE, MR. AGUILAR'S RESPONSE WAS THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO MINE.

I WANTED TO BUY IT AND BUILD A HOUSE LIKE MINE AS WELL AS AN RV GARAGE LIKE MINE FOR A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE TO WHICH COUNCILWOMAN BANKS RESPONDED.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THINGS ARE SOMEWHAT COMPROMISED AND THAT MR. AGUILAR MADE THOSE STATEMENTS AND ALMOST OPENS US UP FOR SOME LITIGATION.

BUT THE PERSON WHO LED THE EFFORTS TO GO AGAINST THIS BEING MR. AGUILAR, ACTUALLY HAD A REASON FOR IT TO BE DENIED AND POSSIBLY HAD OTHER PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY END QUOTE.

THIS CHANGES ON THE PUBLIC RECORD, IT'S ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WEBSITE AND ANYBODY CAN VIEW IT AND IT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

MR. AGUILAR, WHO WAS THE MAIN OPPOSITION TO THIS AND EASILY THE MOST INFLUENTIAL MEMBER AMONG THEM, HE WANTED, HE, HE OPENLY ADMITTED HE WANTED TO BUY THE PROPERTY HIMSELF AND HAD AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE FOR THIS TO BE DENIED.

SO I IMPLORE YOU TODAY, PLEASE VOTE FOR THIS AND DON'T LET ONE MAN STONEWALL AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY FOR HIS OWN SELF-INTEREST.

THANK YOU, JULIA FIELDS, GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TODAY.

MY NAME'S JULIA FIELDS.

I DO LIVE, UM, IN THE DISTRICT NINE.

I LIVE IN SHENANDOAH, BUT I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ONE OF THE, UM, PENN OAK NEIGHBORS WHO IS UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS AFTERNOON.

AND THIS IS, UM, A LETTER THAT SHE HAD WRITTEN.

IT SAYS, DEAR METRO COUNSEL, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M ABLE UNABLE TO ATTEND THE AUGUST 16TH METRO COUNCIL MEETING THAT WANTED TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR AURORA PARK.

I LIVE IN THE PEN OAK SUBDIVISION NEAR THE PROPOSED PROJECT ON OLD JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

I ATTENDED TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPER WHERE HE LAID OUT AN ARRAY OF STEPS THAT HAVE TAKEN TO ELIMINATE THE IMPACT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IN SHORT, I BELIEVE THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.

IT'S GOOD FOR OUR PROPERTY VALUES, IT'S GOOD FOR TAX REVENUE, IT'S GOOD FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HAVE A PRESENCE IN OUR AREA.

AND THE FACILITY IS SOMETHING I'LL BE PROUD TO LIVE NEXT TO.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO ALSO FEEL THE SAME WAY.

I'M A 30 YEAR OLD HOMEOWNER IN PENN OAK AND I PLAN TO STAY HERE.

I CAN SPEAK FIRSTHAND TO THE LEVEL OF ATTENTION AND CONSIDERATION THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN TO THE COMMUNITY.

I'M SORRY I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING AND SPEAK WITH YOU DIRECTLY, BUT PLEASE ACCEPT THIS EMAIL IN PLACE OF MY VERBAL COMMENTS IN FAVOR OF AURORA PARK.

THANK YOU, AMY RICHARDSON.

AND, UM, JUST FOR ME, PERSONALLY SPEAKING, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, MOST PEOPLE KNOW THAT VENUE SPOTS BOOK UP VERY QUICKLY AROUND HERE.

I'VE HELPED, UM, FRIENDS WITH WEDDING VENUES THAT HAVE HAD TO BE BOOKED OUT OF TOWN DUE TO UNAVAILABILITY HERE IN BATON ROUGE, THIS SINCE MORE REVENUE OUT OF OUR CITY AND OUT OF OUR PARISH.

SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE THIS AURORA PARK PROJECT.

BRING NEW LIFE TO THE PROPERTY AND INCREASE THE VALUES OF THE HOMES AND BUSINESSES NEARBY.

NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM CHAD STEVENS.

CHAD ALREADY SPOKE DARLENE QUIBI.

I WAS GONNA BE CLOSE, BUT NOT QUITE .

HI, GOOD EVENING.

I'M DARLENE BERDO AND MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED IN ROUNDUP FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS.

AND WE ALSO OWN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND HIGHLAND CLUB, AND THAT'S BEEN OVER 15 YEARS.

WE FEEL THAT A RECEPTION VENUE WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ON JEFFERSON HIGHWAY WITH A CHURCH AND OTHER BUSINESSES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.

AND THE CURRENT STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY ARE OLD.

SO A VENUE LIKE THIS WOULD

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IT WILL ALSO HELP KEEP REVENUE IN OUR PARISH.

SO OVERALL, THIS IS A GREAT PROPOSAL AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

TEST SHEETS.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M TEST SHEETS AND UH, MY ADDRESS IS 6 3 2 9 DOUBLETREE DRIVE.

I LIVE IN DISTRICT NINE.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF AURORA PARK.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S A VERY NICE VENUE.

IT'S MUCH NEEDED IN THE AREA, AND IT'S BEEN VERY WELL PLANNED WITH SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS, UM, TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE NEIGHBORS, SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS TO ALL OF THEIR, UH, CONCERNS AND ISSUES.

UM, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BRING VALUE TO THE AREA.

UM, AND THE REASONS I THINK FOR THIS VENUE FAR OUTWEIGH THE REASONS AGAINST IT.

THE PROPERTY WILL DEVELOP, BE DEVELOPED ANYWAY, SO I FEEL LIKE WHY NOT PUT A VERY NICE, UM, BEAUTIFUL ADDITION TO THE AREA THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY.

MIKE HAS ROUGHLY A HUNDRED FIFTY, A HUNDRED FIFTY FIVE PARKING SPOTS.

RENEE.

SOLE OR SOLE, YOUR PAST BARRY MELE.

MAYBE I'M PRONOUNCING WRONG.

I WAS CLOSE.

HELLO COUNSEL.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THIS, UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM SOMEONE ELSE PREVIOUSLY THAT, UH, WHAT IS NEEDED.

UM, IN BATON ROUGE, UH, IN THE RESEARCH FOR THIS, I VISITED WITH A, UH, OWNER OF A FACILITY EXACTLY THE SAME IN A HIGHLY DENSE AREA.

AND THIS IS IN MATTIE CALLED THE BALCONY, MAYBE IF FEW OF YOU HAD BEEN THERE FOR CERTAIN EVENTS.

AND HE TOLD ME, HEY, THE PROJECT LOOKS GREAT.

UH, HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB PLANNING IT OUT AND DOING HIS NOISE MITIGATION.

I'D ASKED HIM, WHAT DO YOU FIND? BECAUSE HE LIVES, I MEAN, WHERE HIS PROPERTY IS, IT'S RIGHT ON I 10, BUT CHURCH, SCHOOL AND RESIDENTIAL AND MAYBE ABOUT 12 PARKING SPOTS.

SO EVERYONE PARKS OUT ON THE STREETS.

HE SAID PARKING IS HIS ONLY PROBLEM THAT OF WHAT HE GETS COMPLAINTS FOR.

HE'S BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS, MIND YOU.

AND UM, MIKE WAS TAKING CARE OF THAT.

BUT ALSO BEFORE I WALKED OUT, MR. VAN RAKIN HAD SAID TO ME, HEY, I WISH HIM SUCCESS, BUT IN SOME SORT OF WAY, I HOPE IT DOESN'T WORK OUT BECAUSE I CANNOT TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, WHICH IS, HE'S MEANING QUITE A FEW THAT CANNOT GET FONDA PLACE IN BATON ROUGE.

THEY HAVE THEIR WEDDINGS HERE AT THE BALCONY AND THEY'RE FROM BATON ROUGE AND HE SMILED AND WHATNOT.

AND I SAID, ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU JOHNNY.

UM, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.

THANK YOU RON JOHNSON.

I DID TOO.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS RON JOHNSON AND I'M THE FUTURE OWNER OF 1 6 5 5 5 JEFFERSON HIGHWAY, WHICH ACTUALLY WILL UP BUTT UP AGAINST OUR BUILDING AS WELL.

I'VE BEEN IN THE AREA, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET MICHAEL MCDOWELL AND EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN ABOUT HIS PLANS, I EVEN WENT TO THE MEETING IS THE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

I CAN ACCEPT THAT BECAUSE WHERE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, WHAT MY PROPERTY, PROPERTY AT THE SAME TIME WILL ONLY AS THE OTHERS HAVE SAID, INCREASE THE VALUE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

I'VE HEARD IN THE LAST MEETING, NOT HERE BUT AT THE CHURCH, ABOUT UM, WHAT PEOPLE FEEL ARE THE PROBLEMS. YOU CAN'T LOOK AT A PROBLEM THAT IS NOT THERE.

YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM AS IT COMES ALONG.

WHERE IN MR. MCDOWELL'S CASE, HE'S ACTUALLY FOUND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED AND ADDRESSED IT.

UM, HIM AND I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE I LIKE WHAT HE'S DOING.

I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT IT.

I KNOW THAT FUTURE IS FUNDS, FUTURE IS PROFIT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE IS WHAT THE LITTLE ONES ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO LOOK AT.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN OLDER AREA NOW EVERYTHING CHANGES AND IT CHANGES FOR THE BETTER.

SO, UM, MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT I'M FORWARD AND I'D LOVE TO SEE IT GO THE WAY IT SHOULD GO.

I DON'T REALLY LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THE AREA, LIKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION HERE, BUT I'M COMING FROM A PLACE, UH, AS A COLLEAGUE TO MICHAEL MCDOWELL AND A FRIEND FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM? COME ON DOWN.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

MY NAME'S VICTORIA PASSMAN.

I LIVE AT 1 9 2 7 2 MERLOT AVENUE.

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AND AS SOMEONE WHO WOULD EVENTUALLY LIKE TO USE THE SPACE, UH, FOR MY WEDDING IN THE FUTURE.

AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO BETTER PERSON TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY OTHER THAN MICHAEL MCDOWELL.

AS FAR AS SOUNDPROOFING, WHICH ARE THE REASONS FOR OPPOSITION OR ONE OF THE REASONS FOR OPPOSITION, THERE'S NO BETTER PERSON TO DEVELOP OTHER THAN A MUSICIAN.

UH, HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT SOUND AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SOUND WON'T, SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.

AND IF IT DOES, MICHAEL'S A NICE PERSON, YOU COMPLAIN, HE WOULD TURN IT DOWN.

UH, AS FAR AS PARKING, HE HAS ALL THE SPACES AVAILABLE AND AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC AND PEAK HOURS OF, UM, IN THE MORNING AND IN THE EVENING, AGAIN, EVENTS AREN'T GONNA BE EARLY IN THE MORNING AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE AT RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC IN THE EVENING WHEN EVERYONE'S TRYING TO GET HOME.

MOST WEDDINGS ARE USUALLY AT LIKE NOON OR ONE O'CLOCK.

AND THEN AGAIN, EVERYTHING WOULD BE GONE BEFORE TRAFFIC WOULD START AND THEN IT WOULD BEGIN AGAIN WHEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE CEREMONY OR RECEPTION AFTER TRAFFIC HAS ALREADY DIED DOWN IN THE EVENING.

THANKS.

HI, MY NAME IS ALICE RAS.

I LIVE AT 1 7 8 3 3 GLEN PARK DRIVE, WHICH IS DOWN IN LITTLE WAYS, BUT I COME AND GO FROM MY HOUSE ON A REGULAR BASIS UP IN DOWN JEFFERSON HIGHLAND.

IT WOULD BE SO NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL TO LOOK AT AS I DRIVE BY AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER TYPE OF BUSINESS OR HOUSING THAT WOULD BE A BETTER IDEA THAN AN EVENT VENUE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEAR US AND THIS WOULD BE FABULOUS.

I THINK MICHAEL MIGHT LET US RUN OUT FOR OTHER THINGS, IF POSSIBLE, TO HAVE FAMILY EVENTS.

AND IT'S CLOSE TO OUR HOUSES RIGHT NOW.

WE'D HAVE TO DRIVE EITHER ACROSS TOWN OR OUT OF TOWN.

SO I THINK THE IDEA IS GREAT AND THE SOUNDPROOFING IS ALSO EXCELLENT AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY MENTION ANOTHER BUSINESS TYPE THAT WOULD BE A BETTER IDEA.

WE NEED THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THAT? COME ON DOWN.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNSEL.

MY NAME IS TAMMY PURINO PASSMAN.

I'M RETIRED FROM EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH IN THE EYECARE PROGRAM.

I'VE BEEN IN THAT COMMUNITY AND MOVED MY FAMILY, RAISED MY TWO BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN THERE.

AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND I'M JUST REALLY HOPING AND PRAYING THAT IT PASSES.

AND HERE'S THE THING, IN THAT COMMUNITY, YOU CAN GO LESS THAN TWO MILES AND THERE ARE 16 CHURCHES IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD BENEFIT FOR SOMETHING AS BEAUTIFUL AS THIS EVENT CENTER.

I JUST SAW THE RENDERING FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY, JUST HEARD ABOUT IT.

AND I SAID, I WANT TO BE IN THAT MEETING BECAUSE THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS THAT.

IT JUST DOES.

AND IF SOMEONE'S NOT FAITH-BASED, THEN THEY CAN HAVE THEIR WEDDING.

THEY ARE, EVERYBODY IS HAVING TO MOVE AWAY, DRINK, WORRY ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA GET HOME FROM A RECEPTION.

AND THIS IS IN A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PART OF BATON ROUGE.

WE LOVE IT OUT THERE, MY FAMILY.

AND I JUST HOPE THAT EVERY, THAT Y'ALL VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS 'CAUSE IT'S JUST FANTASTIC.

IT WOULD JUST BE AN ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM? WE HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE.

VICTORIA PASSMAN, TAMMY PERINO, PASSMAN, VICKI PHILLIPS, CHARLOTTE BARRETT, JOHN COCHRANE, SHE BOYD, MATTHEW LANDRY, MARK BARRETT, ALL AND, AND CHARLES MCDOWELL ALL ARE HERE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM BUT NOT WISHING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.

WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE OPPONENTS OF THE ITEM.

UH, BILLY AGUILAR IS FIRST.

IS NOT VACANT AND IT CURRENTLY HAS TWO LIVABLE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL HOUSES THAT THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN TO BUILD THIS COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

MY NAME'S BILLY AGUILAR.

I LIVE AT 1 6 5 3 5 JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

I'M ADJACENT IN SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED.

IS IS THE CURRENT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL.

A DESCRIPTION OF RURAL ZONING IS TO PERMIT AGRICULTURE LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND THE M CUP IS ALLOWED IF APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE METRO COUNCIL.

AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE RURAL.

HOWEVER, OVER THE YEARS, THE RURAL ZONE PROPERTY HAS TRANSITIONED MOSTLY TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS MAP.

ALL ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE 10 AREAS, THIS WHOLE AREA ZONE, RURAL OF THE 59 PROP PROPERTIES NOTIFIED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALL ARE RESIDENTIAL EXCEPT FOR FOUR A CHURCH RIGHT HERE, AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR CENTER HERE, AN INDUSTRIAL TRAINING FACILITY THAT'S ALL INDOOR CLASSROOMS AND A CLOSED DOWN CATERING FACILITY THAT HAS THE AB ONE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY

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NO ONE WHO BUYS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A RIGHT TO EXPECT TO TRANSITION THAT PROPERTY INTO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE AREA PHOTOGRAPH I GOT HERE.

OLD PHOTOGRAPH.

IF WE CAN PASS IT Y'ALL TO SHOW IT, BRING 'EM BACK.

PHOTOGRAPH BOBBY.

THE TWO HOUSES OUTTA THERE, SIR.

RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF OTHER HOUSES WITHOUT REZONING.

RULE ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW BARS, RESTAURANTS, WITH OR WITHOUT ALCOHOL.

WHILE AN EVENT CENTER CAN SERVE ALCOHOL AND FOOD JUST LIKE BOYS AND RESTAURANTS AND PLAY LOUD MUSIC ALL NIGHT, THEY'RE SAYING WE ARE GONNA CLOSE EARLY.

BUT THIS MUP HAS NO CONDITIONS.

MR. MCDOWELL HAS PROBABLY STATED THAT IF THIS MUP IS DENIED, HE WILL BILL THE EVENT CENTER SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THERE'S PLENTY OF COMMERCIALS ON PROPERTIES AVAILABLE ON AIRLINE BETWEEN BOUNDARY FOREMAN AND HOLLAND ROAD.

ON ANTIOCH, ON BOUNDARY FOREMAN AND, AND ON HOLLAND ROAD, THERE ARE FOUR SALE SIGNS EVERYWHERE OF THE 20 SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

ONE PERSON APPROVES THE LADY WHO SPOKE, ONE IS DECEASED.

MR. HIP LIGHT'S HOUSE WAS RIGHT HERE.

UH, TWO LIGHTS ACROSS THE STREET.

THIS LADY LIVES SOMEWHERE IN IN ALABAMA, WE CAN'T FIND HER.

AND ALL THE PROPERTIES IN GREEN HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS MAP ARE IN OPPOSITION.

AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT THIS GREATLY AFFECTS.

THEY COMPLETELY SURROUND THE PROPERTIES.

IN ADDITION, WE HAVE 44 LETTERS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS OUT IN GREEN ON THE MAP THAT LIVE IN JEFFERSON PIN, OAK HOMESTEAD.

AND WE PRESENTED THESE TO MR. HUSSON.

I HAVE A COPY IF Y'ALL WANT TO SEE 'EM.

THE LETTERS ARE HERE.

WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO SEE 'EM? I'LL PASS 'EM AROUND.

IF Y'ALL TO LOOK AT THAT REPRESENTS 85 PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT.

THE DAY AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TWO TO FIVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EVENTS CENTER.

MR. MCDOWELL PLACED A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY PROPOSING A BATTING CAGE AND A PAINT BALL ALL AGES ALL NIGHT, ALL FUN.

HE USES INTIMIDATION TACTIC TO SUCCESSFULLY CONVINCE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THE EVENTS CENTER WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE BATTING CAGES.

THE PAINT BALLS IN THE PARK, I SAY BUILD IT.

THIS IS A BLUFF.

SMOKE MIRRORS.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE SIGN.

I GOT A PICTURE OF THE SIGN IF Y'ALL WANNA SEE IT.

MR. MCDO CAPABLE OF BUILDING EVENT CENTER ON EXISTING COMMERCIALS ON PROPERTY IN THE AREA.

AND WHEN QUESTION HE SAID, THANK LORD.

MELANIE TISHER, MY HUSBAND AND I OWN THE PROPERTY THAT'S TWO DOORS DOWN FROM THIS PROPOSED EVENT CENTER ON 1 6 5 4 5 JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

UH, WE'RE PLANNING, PLANNING TO BUILD.

WE HAVE NOT YET, BUT WE'RE GOING TO.

UM, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

THE DEVELOPERS HAVE MADE THE POINT OVER AND OVER THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA AND THERE ARE SO THEIR BUSINESS SHOULD FIT RIGHT IN.

BUT IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A FALSE EQUIVALENCY AS NOT ONE BUSINESS THAT THEY POINT OUT PLAYS MUSIC OR STAYS OPEN AFTER FIVE HOSTING LARGE EVENTS.

THAT IS VERY UNLIKE THE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SOUND POLLUTION IS A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY AS IS LIGHT POLLUTION.

THERE ARE 6 25 FOOT LIGHT POLES IN A LOT THAT WILL HOLD 150 CARS IN A PARKING LOT THAT WILL HOLD 150 CARS IN A VENUE THAT IS OPEN UNTIL AT LEAST MIDNIGHT OR LONGER IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, TRAFFIC FLOW IS VERY CONGESTED IN THIS AREA WITH MULTIPLE CAR WRECKS AT ANTIOCH AND OLD JEFFERSON ALREADY, THE DEVELOPERS INDICATE THE PATRONS OF THIS VENUE WILL BE CONTROLLED WITH ONLY RIGHT TURNS, BOTH IN AND OUT OF THE PARKING LOT OF THIS BUSINESS.

LARGE WEDDINGS MAY HAVE EASILY OVER A HUNDRED CARS ATTENDING AND IT CAN EASILY BE IMAGINED THAT NOT EVERY DRIVER WILL FOLLOW THE TRAFFIC RULES.

JUST AROUND THE CORNER ON HIGHLAND AND AIRLINE AT THE MCDONALD'S RESTAURANT, D O T D TRIED TO ESTABLISH A TRAFFIC PATTERN EXACTLY LIKE THE ONE PROPOSED HERE, RIGHT TURN ONLY.

AND I BELIEVE ME, CARS STOP ON HIGHLAND AND JUMP THE CURB TO TURN AROUND TO PULL INTO THAT DRIVEWAY ALL THE TIME AGAINST LEGAL TRAFFIC FLOW.

FINALLY, THE DAY AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION OPPOSED THIS VENUE, A LARGE SIGN WAS PLACED ONE DOOR AWAY FROM OUR PROPERTY ADVERTISING A FUTURE PAINTBALL AND BATTING CAGE FACILITY OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY.

TO ME, THIS APPEARED TO BE A CHILDISH INTIMIDATION

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TACTIC THAT WAS UNNECESSARY AND QUITE UNBECOMING.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM RICHARD STEWART.

THEY'RE NOT SOUNDPROOFING.

MY NAME IS RICHARD STEWART.

I LIVE AT 1 6 5 4 5 JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

THIS IS AN EMPTY LOT.

I DON'T LIVE THERE YET, BUT I HAVE HOUSE PLANS.

I HAVE BUILDING PERMIT ALREADY APPROVED, READY TO START, BUT I DO NOT WISH TO BILL NEXT TO A EVENT CENTER.

UH, MY BIGGEST PROBLEMS WITH IT ARE GONNA BE SOUND.

AND I KNOW MR. MCDOWELL SAID HE HAD 96 ACOUSTICAL PANELS.

ACOUSTICAL PANELS ARE HIS BENEFIT.

THEY DO ABSORB SOUND FROM WITHIN THE ROOM, BUT THEY DON'T STOP SOUND FROM TRAVELING THROUGH THE WALLS AND GOING INTO THE NEXT WALL OR OUT TO THE NEXT HOUSE.

SO, UH, TO SOUNDPROOF, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

YOU HAVE TO BUILD YOUR BUILDING FOR THAT FROM THE FLOOR WALLS, CEILING, H V A C.

YOU ALMOST NEED A A ROOM WITH INSIDE A ROOM.

SO YOU HAVE AIRSPACE BETWEEN THE WALLS TO STOP SOUND.

HE SAYS HE HAS ROOMS ON THREE SIDES, WHICH IS ALL GREAT, BUT THERE HAVE DOORS ON ALL THESE ROOMS. SO YOU OPEN A DOOR IF HIS DOORS AREN'T CLOSED ALL THE TIME SOUND IS GOING THROUGH.

I EVEN THINK THEY HAVE WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE.

IT'S FACING PEN OAKS IN THE BACK.

THERE IS A STAGE WHICH IF THAT'S GONNA BE OPEN OR NOT, BUT SOUND GOES STRAIGHT THROUGH THAT WALL THAT'S GONNA VIBRATE AND GO RIGHT INTO NEIGHBORHOODS.

LOW FREQUENCY SOUND IS WHAT I'M TALKING MOSTLY ABOUT.

UH, THERE'S LOW FREQUENCY, MID FREQUENT MIDS AND HIGHS.

SO YOUR LOWS ARE REALLY HUGE SOUND WAVES AND THEY CAUSE VIBRATIONS.

SO AS SOON AS THEY HIT THIS WALL, IF THIS WALL IS NOT DETACHED OR UNCOUPLED, IT WILL TRANSFER INTO THE NEXT WALL.

AND I HAVE SEEN NOTHING OR HEARD NOTHING OF THIS BEING BUILT OTHER THAN REGULAR, TRADITIONAL BUILDING.

IT HAS NO SOUNDPROOFING THAT I KNOW OF AT ALL OTHER THAN JUST TRADITIONAL WALLS.

SO I TOTALLY OPPOSE THIS.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, JOEL.

ICK.

HEY, MY NAME IS JOEL HEDRICK.

UH, I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 1 6 5 4 0 JEFFERSON HIGHWAY, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET, UH, CATTYCORNER TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

I'VE LIVED THERE, I'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY 31 YEARS.

I'VE LIVED THERE 28 YEARS, MY WIFE AND I.

UM, AND WE'VE WATCHED THAT PROPERTY EVOLVE OVER THAT TIME PERIOD.

BUT SOMEONE MADE A COMMENT A MINUTE AGO ABOUT CHANGE IS BETTER.

AND UH, I THINK THAT'S THE BUZZWORD THAT WE JUST KEEP HEARING EVERY DAY ON EVERYTHING WE LOOK AND SEE CHANGE IS BETTER.

I AGREE WITH CHANGE, BUT ALSO THE WAY THIS IS BEING PROPOSED.

UM, YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING THAT DON'T LIVE RIGHT THERE AT THAT AREA.

AND UH, MY QUESTION TO EACH ONE OF Y'ALL WOULD BE, HAVE YOU DRIVEN DOWN JEFFERSON HIGHWAY AT NIGHT? HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN DOWN JEFFERSON HIGHWAY AT NIGHT? IF YOU HAVEN'T, YOU OUGHT TO DO THAT BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT'S AN EXTREMELY DARK HIGHWAY AND THERE'S EXCESSIVE SPEEDING EVERY NIGHT ON THAT HIGHWAY.

AND BETWEEN HIGHLAND ROAD AND ANTIOCH ROAD, YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS THAT WE HAVE THERE.

IT'S FEARFUL AT TIMES TO EVEN GET OUTTA YOUR DRIVEWAY.

YOU ALMOST HAVE TO TAKE AN AX AND HACK YOUR WAY OUT INTO THE TRAFFIC.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

AND IT DOESN'T, THEY'RE SAYING, OH, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC FLOW AT NIGHTTIME.

WELL, LEMME TELL YOU, JUST TRY TO GET OUTTA YOUR DRIVEWAY AT NIGHT.

'CAUSE PEOPLE WOULD JUST KEEP COMING AND COMING AND COMING.

AND MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED OUT THERE FOR 28 YEARS.

WE'VE RAISED OUR GIRLS OUT THERE, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.

AND THE WAY THIS HAS BEEN HANDLED, TRYING TO CRAM THIS DOWN OUR THROAT.

WE LIVE THERE, ALL THESE OTHER FOLKS SPEAKING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW A CHURCH OR A CHOIR FROM A CHURCH CAN GET THIS PASSED AGAINST ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.

I DON'T ATTEND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

OKAY? BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS FAIR, WHAT'S BEING DONE.

AND I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS VENUE PASSING.

LESLIE MCKINNEY, LESTER MCKINNEY, EXCUSE ME.

HELLO, MY NAME'S LESTER MCKINNEY.

UM, I'VE LIVED IN, UM, THE PIN OAK SUBDIVISION 9 0 6 2 WALTER DRIVE FOR 30 YEARS.

MY CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, I HEAR PEOPLE, THEY'RE PEOPLE ARE FOR THIS AND PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF ARE AGAINST IT, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE AGAINST IT THAN WHAT YOU'RE HEARING.

I KEEP HEARING, OH, I ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE FOR IT, FOR IT, FOR IT.

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AND AGAIN, AS WE'VE HEARD IN PIN OAK, WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS FACILITY.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT AN EVENTS FACILITY IS NOT NEEDED IN, UH, BATON ROUGE SOMEWHERE.

IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA.

OUR PROBLEM IS, IS RIGHT THERE IN THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA.

AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE ASKED MR. MCDOWELL AND HE JUST BASICALLY SAID, LOOK, HE SAID, WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY AND EFFORT AND DESIGN AND EVERYTHING INTO THIS PROJECT.

AND HE SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T BUILD IT HERE, WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND WE TOLD HIM, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO.

BUILD IT IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT RIGHT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE POINTED OUT YOU COULD GO RIGHT DOWN ANTIOCH AND PLACES LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE COMMERCIAL LAND.

AND HE SAID, WELL, YEAH, BUT IF I BUILD THERE, I MIGHT HAVE A TARGET STORE BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO ME.

AND I SAID, SO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A TARGET STORE BEING BUILT NEXT TO YOU, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BUILDING YOUR EVENT CENTER IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOW, I ALSO HEARD IN HERE, AS THEY MENTIONED ABOUT NENE'S OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE MOST CARS I'VE SEEN OVER THERE AT ANY TIME.

'CAUSE THEY'VE GOT SUCH A SMALL AREAS, 15 CARS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE 150 THAT HE SAYS HE'S GOT.

AND THE TRAFFIC, YOU GOT 150 CARS IN THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT 300 PEOPLE APPROXIMATELY.

THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE AT THAT TIME.

AND AS YOU'VE HEARD, WHEN THEY PUT THOSE LIGHTS UP OUT THERE, THOSE LIGHTS ARE GONNA BE GOING RIGHT INTO THE PEOPLE OVER AT ALDER AND ALL OF THOSE SUB IN THE, IN THE PIN OAK SUBDIVISION, IT'S GONNA BE OUT THERE.

I EXPRESSED MY CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE PIN OAK SUBDIVISION IS, UH, NO, NO EXIT ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.

AND PEOPLE THAT GO IN THERE ARE GONNA BE COMING IN THERE TO TURN AROUND BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW, THE WAY THAT, UH, THEY'VE GOT IT DESIGNED.

AND SO YOU HAVE ALL THESE TURNAROUNDS IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CHILDREN THAT WALK AROUND IN THERE, PLAY AROUND IN THERE.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WALKING DOGS, WE GO WALKING IN THERE.

AND THAT EXTRA TRAFFIC IS JUST AN EXTRA CONCERN.

AND JUST FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, THAT'S WHY WE WISH YOU'LL REALLY CONSIDER THIS HEAVILY AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE AREN'T AGAINST THE, UH, AN EVENT CENTER IN BATON ROUGE.

IT'S JUST IT THAT AREA IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS WHAT CONCERNS THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BRIAN AGUILAR.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU'ALL FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THAT THE MAIN PROBLEM I THINK THE MOST OF RESIDENTS HAVE IS THE ALCOHOL.

THEY'LL CONTINUE TO SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THIRD PARTY ALCOHOL.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T CARE WHO SERVES THE ALCOHOL, THE FACT THAT ALCOHOL WILL BE SERVED AT THE FACILITY.

THEY ALSO TALK ABOUT THE NOISE POLLUTION.

AND THAT JEFFERSON HIGHWAY IS A NOISE POLLUTION PRO, UH, PROBLEM ALREADY AND THAT YOU WON'T OVERHEAR.

BUT I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT OFF PEAK HOURS LATE AT NIGHT.

THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC ON JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

THUS MOST OF THE NOISE IS GONNA BE COMING FROM THIS FACILITY.

AND THE MAIN THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE TRAFFIC IS NOW, AS MR. CHAD STEVEN SAID, THIS FACILITY WILL GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 10 CARS PER HOUR OR SIX EVERY ONE CAR FOR EVERY SIX MINUTES.

IF YOU HAVE A PARKING LOT.

AND THEY'VE CONTINUOUSLY SAID THAT THIS FACILITY IS GONNA OVERBOOK AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO STAGE DOWN THE ROAD AT THE MOST BLESSED SACRAMENT CHURCH AND BUS PEOPLE IN.

IF YOU'VE GOT CARS ARRIVING ONE CAR EVERY SIX MINUTES, IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU 15 HOURS TO FILL A PARKING LOT OF 150 SPACES.

THE REALITY IS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE LIKE A HUNDRED CARS SHOW UP AT THIS FACILITY WHEN IT STARTS, YOU KNOW, VENUES.

IF YOU HAVE A VENUE THAT STARTS AT SEVEN, THEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME TO THAT VENUE FROM LET'S SAY 6 45 TO 7 45 IN THAT TIMEFRAME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MOST OF THE PEOPLE SHOW UP THERE.

SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 10 CARS PER HOUR, JUST DO THEM.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T TAKE, UH, ROCKET SCIENCE TO FIGURE THAT THAT OUT 10 CARS PER HOUR TO FILL A PARKING LOT OF 152 SPACES.

IT'S JUST NOT WARRANTED FOR THIS LOCATION.

AND FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU DENY THIS PROJECT.

MR. MCDOWELL HAS STATED THAT IF HE HAS DENIED THIS PROPOSAL

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PLAN, HE'LL BUILD HIS EVENT CENTER ELSEWHERE.

DO YOU THINK THAT HE IS GONNA BUILD BOTH THE BATTING CAGES AND THE EVENT CENTER? I THINK NOT.

WE ARE NOT HERE TO DEBATE WHAT HE IS GOING TO BE BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY.

WE ARE HERE TO DEBATE.

WE ARE HERE TO OPPOSE A BUILDING OF AN EVENT CENTER IN OUR RESIDENTIAL LOCATION.

MR. MCDOWELL IS CAPABLE OF BUILDING THIS EVENT CENTER, AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ZONE, AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTY IN THE AREA.

WHEN QUESTIONED, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU, HE SAID, WELL, IF I BUILD ON ANTIOCH, THEY MIGHT BUILD A TARGET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT NEXT TO ME.

I DO NOT WANT THAT, BUT I THINK IT IS OKAY TO BUILD YOUR EVENT CENTER NEXT TO MR. AGUILAR.

I DO NOT THINK IT'S OKAY TO BUILD YOUR EVENT CENTER NEXT TO MR. AGUILAR.

THEY CAN CON CONTINUE TO ATTACK MR. AGUILAR.

THAT IS NOT THE POINT.

THIS M CLUB EVENT CENTER IS THE FOCUS.

THANK Y'ALL.

TASHA STOCKWELL.

MY NAME'S TASHA STOCKWELL.

I LIVE IN PIN OAK, WHICH IS THE SUBDIVISION DIRECTLY BEHIND WHERE THIS EVENT CENTER WILL BE BUILT.

I'VE BEEN THERE SEVEN YEARS.

UM, I'M ON THE H O A BOARD.

I WAS THE FORMER PRESIDENT FOR SIX YEARS.

HOWEVER, I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE OUR H O A IS NOT MANDATORY.

IT IS VOLUNTARY.

SO ALL OF THESE PETITIONS AND LETTERS THAT WE HAVE, THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE EACH RESIDENT SPEAKS ON THEIR OWN BEHALF.

I CAN'T COME UP HERE AND SAY WHAT I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE H O A I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.

I DO NOT LIVE DIRECTLY ON THE STREET BEHIND IT, BUT I KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST 20 OR 25 HOUSES THAT WOULD BE RIGHT BEHIND IT OF THOSE HOUSES.

WE HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION AND PETITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SIGNED.

THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN THREE OUT OF THE 20 OR 25 THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF IT.

OUR RESIDENCE IS VERY, IT'S A VERY QUIET SUBDIVISION.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT ANYTIME, EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR LATER, I CAN HEAR THE TRAIN ON THE TRAIN TRACK THAT'S NEAR THE INTERSTATE ON DURING FOOTBALL SEASON.

I CAN HEAR THE BAND PLAYING FROM THE, THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND THOSE ARE WAY FURTHER AWAY.

I DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SOUND FROM THE, THE ACTUAL RECEPTION CENTER.

UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SOUND AND THE NOISE OF JUST PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOT COMING AND GOING.

WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED THAT OUR SUBDIVISION HAS NO OUTLET.

SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO THE RIGHT, WE'RE CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA TURN AROUND ON OUR SUBDIVISION OR TRY TO CUT THROUGH.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE A REGULAR ISSUE OF PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR SUBDIVISION AND RUNNING OVER THE BRICKS AND RUNNING OVER THE LANDSCAPE AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

WE'VE GOT DOGS, WE'VE GOT KIDS.

WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY WE DON'T WANT.

AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR SUBDIVISION WHEN THEY, UM, COMPARE THIS TO NENE'S, WHICH IS RIGHT OUTSIDE OF OUR SUBDIVISION.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S COMPARABLE AT ALL.

THAT IS A PLACE THAT SELLS BOILED CRAWFISH.

IT'S ONLY OPEN DURING CRAWFISH SEASON.

IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S EVEN OPEN EIGHT HOURS A DAY DURING CRAWFISH SEASON.

THEY DO NOT SERVE ALCOHOL.

YOU CAN BRING YOUR OWN ALCOHOL, BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY RACKET OR ANYTHING FROM THAT NATURE.

AND LIKE THE, I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

WE NEED A GOOD, A NICE EVENT VENUE LIKE THIS.

WE JUST DON'T WANT IT RIGHT HERE.

AND THERE'S, SO, THERE'S LIKE SO MANY PLACES, PROPERTIES, IF YOU GO A MILE DOWN THE ROAD EITHER WAY, THAT ARE ALREADY FOR SALE AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

SO IT APPEARS TO BE THAT THIS IS ABOUT MONEY.

UM, IT'S, IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE TO BUY A RAILROAD PROPERTY.

AND IT ALSO APPEARS THE TACTICS THAT WE'RE USED, LIKE THE WHOLE PUTTING UP THE SIGN AND SAYING WE'RE GONNA HAVE A 24 HOUR BATTING CAGE.

UM, IT, IT, IT APPEARS, I TAKE THAT AS A PERS AS AN INDIRECT THREAT THAT, OH, YOU GOTTA CHOOSE BETWEEN THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS.

YOU WANT THIS, YOU DON'T LIKE THE NOISE BOARD, THEN GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GONNA DO THIS ALL NIGHT LONG WITH THE 24 HOUR BATING CAGE.

AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS, UM, A TRUE INTENT OF WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

AND, UH, I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? COME ON DOWN.

HEY, I'M JESSICA D DRAGO WALKER.

I LIVE ON CRE MYRTLE DRIVE IN PEN OAK.

UM, AND MY HUSBAND AND I WOULD BE, OUR HOUSE WOULD BE DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS EVENT CENTER .

SO WE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR IT .

UM, WE ARE PERSONALLY WORRIED ABOUT DRAINAGE TRAFFIC, LIGHT POLLUTION AND NOISE POLLUTION, AND ALSO JUST OUR HOUSE AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BEING DEVALUED.

SO WE WOULD LIKELY MOVE AWAY AT SOME POINT IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN.

THANKS.

UH, WE HAVE BARBARA AGUILAR, KATHY MCKINNEY, FRIEND OF SHEPHERD, LEROY EVANS JR.

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AND THOMAS PARKER, WHO ARE ALL HERE IN OPPOSITION.

BUT DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK THE PROPONENT.

SIR, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? UH, WOULD LIKE I WASN'T ABLE TO.

YOU CAN.

YOU GOT THREE MINUTES? I'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES.

COME ON.

OH, THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UH, ITEM NUMBER, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD FOR ME, PLEASE, SIR.

MY NAME IS THOMAS FUR.

UM, AND I AM ONE OF THE HEIRS OF THIS PROPERTY.

THIS, UH, IT'S AN UNDIVIDED PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AND I WROTE A LETTER WHICH I WAS FIXING IN THE FILE, CORRECT? CORRECT.

THIS IS MY ADDRESS.

UH, MY PERMANENT MAIL ADDRESS HERE IN TOWN IS 92 56 AVENUE.

AVENUE.

WHAT'S THE ADDRESS OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY? HUH? BUT THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO PROPERTY AT 1 1 1 6 9 PLANK ROAD.

OH, NO, SIR.

WE'VE ALREADY, UH, PASSED THAT ITEM.

UH, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO REVISIT THAT ITEM IN ORDER FOR US TO DISCUSS IT.

SO LET US FINISH THIS ITEM, AND IF A COUNCIL MEMBER DOES THAT, WE'LL GO BACK TO IT.

OKAY? I, I KNOW I DID MY BEST TO GET HERE.

I HAD TO COME FROM OUT OF TOWN ON.

OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA FINISH THIS ITEM AND, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THE PROPONENTS OF THIS PROJECT, WHOEVER THAT INDIVIDUAL IS WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO REBUT THE OPPONENTS OF THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU MR. PROTE, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

UM, I'M GONNA BE VERY QUICK AND GO DOWN A LIST OF, UH, POINTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE OFFICER.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR WALTER.

MR. WALTER MONSO.

WALTER MONSOUR, 8 5 5 UNITED PLAZA BOULEVARD, BATON ROUGE.

UH, ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, THIS IS A COMMUNITY ASSET.

UH, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS EVEN AGREED TO THAT, BUT THIS IS A TYPICAL NIMBY NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

WE'VE HEARD WE'D LIKE THIS, BUT NOT HERE.

UM, YES, IT IS A BUSINESS DECISION.

THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, BUT WHO'S TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT MORE EXPENSIVE OR THEY'RE NOT AS INVITING AS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? THAT'S A BUSINESS DECISION.

YOU JUST DON'T SAY, GO TO ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.

JEFFERSON HIGHWAY IS COMMERCIAL.

THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN A SUBDIVISION.

IT FRONTS ON JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

IT'S NOT IN A SUBDIVISION.

I'LL SAY THAT AGAIN BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN THE OPPOSITION'S POINT THAT IT IS IN A SUBDIVISION AND IT'S NOT.

THERE ARE SUBDIVISIONS THAT BACK UP TO IT.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE POINT.

NOT EVERYBODY WILL COME AND LEAVE AT THE SAME TIME.

I THINK THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED.

ONLY NOISE WILL BE THE PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF THEIR CARS, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

HOW CAN, HOW THAT CAN BE A NOISE FACTOR.

UH, IF YOU GET IN AND OUT OF YOUR CAR, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ENOUGH NOISE TO DISTURB ANYONE.

OTHERWISE, YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS WOULD BE A PROBLEM TO YOU.

THIS IS RULE ZONING.

YOU KNOW, THE RULE ZONING RULES, THERE CAN BE A LOT MORE THINGS DONE THAN THIS.

UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE NEED AN, UH, UH, AN EXCEPTION TO THAT, UH, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

BUT THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE RULE ZONING, THERE CAN BE SEVERAL ONEROUS THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT THERE WITHOUT COMING BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, WITHOUT COMING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, THE SOUND ENGINE OR THIS, UH, THE GENTLEMAN WHO EXPRESSED ALL OF HIS VIEWS ABOUT HOW THIS WAS NOT GONNA BE SOUNDPROOF.

I DIDN'T HEAR THE FIRST CREDENTIAL ABOUT HIM BEING A SOUND ENGINEER.

SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE THOSE POINTS THAT HE MADE.

UH, WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE, HE LIVES 600 FEET AWAY.

GO SLAM YOUR CAR DOOR AND SEE IF YOU CAN HEAR IT 600 FEET AWAY.

AS FAR AS THE LIGHTING ON JEFFERSON HIGHWAY, I HEARD ONE PERSON SAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TOO MUCH LIGHTING WITH ALL THESE PARKING LOT LIGHTS.

I HEARD SOMEONE ELSE SAY, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LIGHTING ON JEFFERSON HIGHWAY.

IT'S NOT SAFE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOURS AND AGAINST THOSE THAT HAVE COME INTO YOUR EMAIL BOX, THOSE THAT HAVE MADE LI UH, ONLINE COMMENTS, YOU'RE GONNA FIND THERE'S PROBABLY MORE FARS THAN THERE ARE AGAINST.

BUT LET'S NOT COUNT THAT.

LET'S DO THE RIGHT THING ABOUT WHAT THIS IS.

THIS IS A VENUE THAT'S A COMMUNITY ASSET WHERE THE DEVELOPER HAS TAKEN EVERY STEP TO MAKE IT THE RIGHT WAY.

YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED 193.

COUNCIL MEMBERS,

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EMAIL COMMENTS.

162 IN SUPPORT.

31 IN OPPOSITION.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER HUDSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO LAST BEING AT A SENIOR DISTRICT? UH, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK, COUNCIL MEMBER HUDSON.

SO I WANNA THANK ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT TO, UH, HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD ON THIS ISSUE.

WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, EXCUSE ME, DWIGHT COUNCIL MEMBER HURST DOES WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YOU WANT TO CONTINUE OR YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST? GO AHEAD.

COUNCIL MEMBER FIRST.

HEY.

SO I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER, TO MEET WITH, UH, SPOKESMAN FOR THE DEVELOPER, UH, TALK WITH MR. MONTOUR AND A, A FEW OF THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.

AND, UM, I WANT TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THE FACILITY IS BEAUTIFUL.

UM, I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO BE IN DISTRICT FIVE.

WE NEED MORE OF THAT TYPE OF INVESTMENT.

BUT I, I'VE MADE A COMMITMENT ON THIS ONE THAT, UM, I DON'T PUT MY HAND IN OTHER PEOPLE'S COOKIE JARS AND WHEREVER DWIGHT IS, OWNERS WHERE I'M GOING TO BE BECAUSE I WOULD WANT THE SAME THING IN MY DISTRICT.

UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, IS A VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UH, IF IT DOESN'T GO THERE, WHEREVER YOU PUT IT OUT, DEFINITELY BE A SUPPORTER OF IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER HUDSON.

UH, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT.

UH, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

UH, APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO TAKE PART IN THOSE AND BE PROACTIVE ABOUT 'EM.

UM, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN WITH THIS, UH, CONTINUES TO BE THE VERY NATURE OF THESE EVENT CENTERS, RIGHT? WE'VE SEEN THESE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE PARISH.

UH, WE'VE SEEN WHERE THEY WORK AND WHERE THEY DON'T.

UH, IT'S SORT OF THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE MUP REQUIREMENT, UH, IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES, UH, WHITE OAK, UH, GARDENS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE IN MY DISTRICT WHERE IT WORKS.

UH, BUT THERE'S OTHER INSTANCES THROUGHOUT THE PARISH WHERE THEY DON'T WORK.

UH, THE NATURE OF AN EVENT CENTER IS THAT IT'S GONNA BE OPEN VERY LATE.

UH, THE SITE-SPECIFIC CONDITIONS HERE, UH, IS THAT WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, ON THIS SIDE OF JEFFERSON, COMPLETELY SURROUNDED, UH, WITH ALL RESIDENTIAL, ALL AROUND THIS PROPERTY.

UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME, RIGHT? IF I KNOW THAT THE, THE NATURE OF THIS, THE SPECIFIC SITE, UH, IS THAT THE BUILDING, THE PARKING AREA IS GONNA BE EXTREMELY CLOSE TO THE HOMES IN PENN OAK, UH, WHICH WAS BUILT UNDER VERY OLD RURAL ZONING LAWS.

SO THOSE REAR SETBACK LINES, THOSE REAR BUILDING LINES ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

I KNOW HAVING LOOKED AT THE SITE AND DETAIL THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE CONDITIONS, THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ISSUES THERE.

UH, I THINK THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

AND, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON ALL OF 'EM.

SO, UH, AND LOOKING AT IT IN DETAIL, TAKING ON THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I'M GONNA BE VOTING IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM.

UH, AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO DENY THE APPLICATION.

UH, NOW I'LL SAY I, I, LOOK, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE IN DISTRICT NINE, I'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU.

UM, I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE GOT YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS THAT WANT TO DO GOOD THINGS.

UH, BUT THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST.

THIS IS A PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC SITE.

WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC ISSUES ON THE GROUND.

UM, IF I BASED MY DECISIONS ALWAYS ON THE EMAILS THAT CAME IN AND THAT KIND OF THING, I THINK WE'D MAKE A LOT OF, A LOT OF BAD DECISIONS.

I'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE ISSUES ON THE GROUND.

I'VE GOTTA LOOK AT HOW THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ABUTTING ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED.

AND I BELIEVE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE RECEIVED, THAT THESE NEIGHBOR'S HOMES WOULD BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

UH, THAT'S MY MOTION.

AND I I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.

THERE IS A MOTION TO DENY.

IS THERE A SECOND? THERE A SECOND.

I SECONDED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER HURST.

UH, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER? HM HMM.

WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE MACHINES.

DO WE HAVE ANY OPPOSITION? YEAH, WE DO.

UM, DO WE VOTE BEFORE COMMENTS OR AFTER COMMENT? COMMENTS? WHAT DO YOU MEAN COMMENTS? YOU WANT TO, FROM THE COUNCIL, YOU NOT ON THE SPEAKER CALL, YOU WANNA SPEAK? OH, YEAH.

IS TWICE THE SIZE OF, UM, THIS LOCATION.

COUNCIL MEMBER BANKS.

SO I, UM, I WAS JUST THINKING IN REGARDS TO THE SIMILARITIES, UM, BASED ON WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE SAID AND WHERE, UM, I HAVE A, A PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIDE, BUT A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT PROBABLY

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AND, UM, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF RECEPTIONS, WE ARE BASICALLY BOOKED EVERY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.

UM, A MATTER OF FACT, A A, A CIRCUS FROM FLORIDA CALLED US TO ACTUALLY HOLD A CIRCUS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT FIND ANOTHER VENUE, UH, LARGE ENOUGH FOR CIRCA, UH, CS.

UH, I GUESS THE RIVER CENTER IS BOOKED, UH, AT MY COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH WE HAVE PARKINGS, UM, BOTH ON, UH, THE WEST AND EAST SIDE AS WELL AS THE NORTH BACK.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE NOTHING BUT RESIDENTIAL HOMES LEADING UP TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

BEHIND THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS NOT ONLY A CHURCH, BUT ALSO NOTHING BUT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALONG PROGRESS ROAD.

OUR BUILDING IS 56 YEARS OLD AND WE'VE NEVER ONCE HAD A COMPLAINT FROM A RESIDENCE.

NO ONE HAS EVER WALKED, UH, PARKED, UM, ALONG THEIR, THEIR, THEIR DRIVEWAYS.

UH, WE'VE NEVER HAD A, A COMPLAINT.

WE DO CLOSE AT 12, UM, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY RESIDENTS, SO I BELIEVE EVEN 12 WOULD BE LATE FOR THEM.

AND NOT ONE TIME HAVE I EVER, UH, RECEIVED A COMPLAINT.

MM-HMM.

, WE DO HAVE SECURITY.

IT IS MANDATORY.

WE'VE NEVER HEARD A NOISE COMPLAINT BECAUSE NO PROBLEM.

UM, IF IT WAS THEN OUR, OUR OFFICERS, IF THEY DIDN'T CALL US, THEY WOULD CALL OUR LOCAL, UM, FOURTH DISTRICT AND THEY WOULD GET IN TOUCH WITH US AND SAY, THE MUSIC IS TOO LOUD.

I THINK A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UM, AGAIN, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

AND SO, UM, IF WE ARE AS STATED, THE REASON WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, THE REASON WE HAVE A PLANNING STAFF IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT AND WHAT IS WRITTEN ON THE APPLICATION FITS THE DESCRIPTION.

IF THIS WAS, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING WHERE I HAD A, UM, A REPORT FROM, FROM, FROM THE PLA FROM THE, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS SAYING THIS IS GONNA BE A HAZARD.

IF WE HAD SOMETHING FROM SCHOOLS SAYING IT WOULD BE A HAZARD, UM, BUT IT'S A MYTH AND I'M LIVING IT EVERY DAY, THAT HAVING A EVENT CENTER IN THE MIDST OF A SUBDIVISION IS GONNA BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

ADDITIONALLY, I CAN'T FORGET THE STATEMENT MADE BY MR. AGUILAR.

I CAN'T FORGET BEING TOLD THAT HE HAD THE BIGGEST HOUSE IN THE SUBDIVISION AND HE WANTED TO BUILD ANOTHER BIGGEST HEALTH IN THE SUBDIVISION.

I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT PREMEDITATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE BASE OUR DECISIONS ON, AND YES WE DO.

ANYBODY WHO SAYS THEY DON'T GO BY EMAIL, BECAUSE EACH EMAIL IS A CITIZEN THAT VOTES.

SO HOW DO YOU DENY WHETHER THEY TOOK THE TIME TO COME HERE, WHETHER THEY EMAILED, WHETHER THEY MADE A PHONE CALL, HOW DO WE SAY IT DOESN'T MATTER? BECAUSE IT DOES MATTER.

IT MATTERS AS MUCH AS A CHECK IN A VOTING BOOTH, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DISCOUNT OUR CITIES, ESPECIALLY IF WE WANT CIVIL INVOLVEMENT OR CIVIL PARTICIPATION.

AND WE PUBLICLY TELL PEOPLE, YOUR EMAIL DOESN'T MATTER.

IT DOES MATTER.

PUT YOUR PHONES ON SILENT, PLEASE.

COUNCILS, PUT YOUR PHONES ON SILENT.

YOU DON'T HOW TO DO THAT.

IT DOES MATTER.

AND IT IS NOT JUST, IT'S A OVERWHELMING MATTER OF 130 PERSONS AND 25, UH, 30 SAYING THEY'RE NOT.

AND THAT DIDN'T COME OUT OF A MEETING.

THAT'S JUST PEOPLE WHO HAD A PASSION TO DO WHAT THEY THINK WAS FAIR FOR A BUSINESS PERSON.

AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I TOO WISH THEY WOULD COME ON MY END.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, FOR 45 YEARS, WE'VE HAD WHAT IS EQUIVALENT TO AN EVENT CENTER.

WE HAVE BASKETBALL GAMES, WE HAVE TALENT SHOWS.

WE HAVE, YOU WANT YOUR SECOND FIVE MINUTES? COUNCIL MEMBER? NO, NO MA'AM.

ALL THOSE

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THINGS.

AND THEN 45 YEARS AND I'M 62 COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU SAID NO, BUT YOU STILL GOING? WE'VE NEVER HAD IT.

GOODBYE.

ALRIGHT, , , UH, THERE'S A A, THERE IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO, THERE'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO APPROVE.

UH, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER NOLL.

SO, UH, MR. MCDONALD, IF I, IF I CAN ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND, AND IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ANSWERING, IF YOU PREFER YOUR ENGINEER, THAT'S FINE.

I JUST, A COUPLE OF ITEMS RAISED TONIGHT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT AND JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU HAD, UH, THOUGHT THROUGH THIS OR, OR, UH, HAVE LOOKED AT SOLUTIONS.

SO THERE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF, UM, LIGHT POLLUTION FROM, UH, EXTERIOR LIGHTS.

MM-HMM.

HAVE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, UH, AND THIS IS JUST PERSONAL OBSERVATION ON MY PART, I KNOW WITH, WITH, UH, L E D LIGHTS, SOMETIMES THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE CONTROLLABLE AND NOT HAVING AS MUCH BLEED.

HAVE, HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THAT SPECIFICALLY, UM, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE, THE PORTIONS UP AGAINST THE, THE SUBDIVISION BEHIND? AND HAVE Y'ALL MADE ANY EFFORTS OR THOUGHT ABOUT HOW TO MITIGATE THAT? UH, I DON'T WANNA GET THIS WRONG.

UH, IT'S TWO CANDLE FOOT, TWO FOOT CANDLES.

AT THE PROPERTY LINE IS WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED FOR, WHICH IS WHAT THE, UH, ORDINANCE SAYS.

UM, UH, SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE DESIGN OF LIKE, THE PHYSICAL DESIGN OF THE LIGHT AND THE DESIGN THAT WE'VE CHOSEN IS SPECIFICALLY THE, THE CLASSIC KIND OF STREET LAMP STYLE, RATHER THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND IN A, UH, A CAR DEALERSHIP OR AN ARENA LIGHTING SITUATION.

WE WANT THIS TO BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH, UM, NOT FEELING LIKE YOU'RE IN A TARGET PARKING LOT, UH, WITH, WITH RESPECT TO, UM, DIRECTIONALITY AND FOCUS ABILITY OF THE LIGHTS.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

LEDS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROLLABLE.

UM, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HAVING LIGHTS ON AND THEN THE EVENTS OVER, AND THEN WE CAN KILL THE LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT.

THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR US AT ALL.

UM, AND WE HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH THAT, AND THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHICH LIGHTS ARE ACTUALLY ON IN THE PARKING LOT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN.

THE CONCLUSION OF ALL OF THEM IS THAT ANY CAR GOING DOWN JEFFERSON HIGHWAY IS, IS LOUDER, CAN BE FELT MORE BY ANYONE, UH, THAN ANYTHING THAT WOULD, NUMBER ONE, BE ABLE TO BE HEARD IN OUR PARKING LOT, MUCH LESS 130 FEET AWAY THROUGH OUR PARKING LOT, OVER A NEIGHBOR'S FENCE, 20 FEET OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER, MATURE TREES.

UH, IF I'M SORRY.

NO, UH, JUST ONE MORE, UH, ABOUT THE, THE PIN OAK, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHERE THIS, WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS, UH, THIS KIND OF 90 DEGREE KIND OF DOG LEG, UM, THERE ARE DOZENS OF MATURE TREES THAT LINE THAT PROPERTY LINE.

SO, UH, THE, WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, TREES ARE BOTH A, A GOOD SOUND ABSORBER AND A LIGHT POLLUTION MITIGATOR.

UH, AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE 20 FEET OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT WE'VE ALREADY BUILT IN.

UH, SO I HOPE I HAVE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

I'M SORRY.

YES.

SO, OKAY.

YOU TOUCHED ON, ON MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE SOUND.

UM, SO WE HAD A GENTLEMAN WHO TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION AND HOW MAYBE THE PANELS AREN'T ENOUGH.

AND, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THAT OTHER THAN YEAH, SOMETIMES I, I DON'T HEAR SOUNDS, UH, IN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE YOU THINK YOU WOULD FROM AN INTERIOR SPACE AND OTHERS YOU DO.

SO, UM, HAVE Y'ALL THOUGHT THROUGH THAT? AND IS YOUR CONSTRUCTION PLAN, UM, IS IT CONSIDERING THAT TO MITIGATE THE EXTERIOR SOUND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? ABSOLUTELY.

UM, THE, WE HAD A, A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH RUSSELL MOSLEY, WHO DEVELOPED LONG FARM, AND HE'S DONE SOME OTHER, UH, PROPERTY DEVELOPMENTS.

AND HE BUILT A GYM THAT SHARED A WALL WITH A SPA.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN IN A GYM WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MUSIC PLAYING CONSTANTLY, AND ONCE UPON A TIME, .

AND THEN IF YOU GO INTO A SPA, YOU MIGHT HAVE LIKE WHITE NOISE OR SOMETHING.

AND THOSE ARE, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE A, A, A MORE ADVERSARIAL, AUDITORY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE TWO TYPES OF COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.

AND THEY SHARED A WALL, UH, IN OUR CASE, THE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE IN THE DIRECTION OF PIN OAK HAS AN ADDITIONAL WALL.

UH, SO THE, THE, THE BACK WALL ACTUALLY THAT GOES TOWARD, UH, MS. BOWMAN'S PROPERTY IS A CINDER BLOCK CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT BUILDING A SHED OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THE, THE ADDITIONAL ROOMS, IF YOU HAVE BLEED, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF OUR FIRST WALL WHERE THE SOUND IS, THAT WOULD BLEED INTO THE SECOND ROOM, WHICH WOULD BE A STORAGE ROOM.

UM, AND I, I DO HAVE CHARTS IF YOU'D LIKE.

THERE'S AN ALGORITHMIC FORMULA THAT CONTROLS, THIS IS NOT AN OPINION, THIS IS JUST THE WAY SOUND ATTENUATION WORKS THROUGH, UH, AN ATMOSPHERE.

AND WE'VE DONE STUDIES, UH, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAVELENGTHS, DIFFERENT HERTZ.

UM, THE,

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UH, THE, THE POSSIBILITY FOR SOUND INTRUSION FROM AN EVENT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY ATED, MORE EXTRA FIRE.

COUNCIL MEMBER AROSO, UH, COME BACK TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE, SIR.

SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT.

'CAUSE WE MET TOGETHER AS WELL.

AND, UM, MY FIRST REACTION WAS SOUND, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM WAS SOUND, AND I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.

UM, AND, AND OF COURSE IT'S THE SOUND THAT GOES ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT.

SO ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT, IF YOU WOULD DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FOLKS OUT HERE WERE CONCERNED WITH PARTIES GOING ON ALL NIGHT LONG, UM, IF YOU WOULD ADDRESS THAT.

'CAUSE I, I KNOW I'VE, I'VE, UH, PAID FOR A COUPLE OF WEDDINGS, AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT IT WORKS.

YOU GO IN AT SEVEN A, YOU'VE GOT THREE HOURS TO HAVE YOUR PARTY, THEN YOU GO HOME.

IT'S NOT AN ALL NIGHT ORDEAL.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN AFFORD THAT.

MY SECOND THING WAS, IS IF YOU CAN ADDRESS IT AS WELL AS WE DISCUSSED ALSO THE PARKING SITUATION AND MY REACTION WHEN YOU SAID 150 PARKING SPACES, I'M LIKE, OH MY GOSH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 300 PEOPLE, BUT YOU ADDRESS THAT AS WELL, VERY LOGICALLY FOR ME.

SO IF YOU WOULD ADDRESS THOSE TWO THINGS, TIME LIMITS OF NOT GOING TILL TWO AND THREE AND FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

GOT IT.

AND THE REASON WHY YOU PUT SO MANY PARKING SPACES IN YES, MA'AM.

UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE NORMAL WAY THAT AN EVENT GOES.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

THE, THE RECEPTION ACROSS THE BOARD IS FOR THREE HOURS.

THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SAYS, YOU GOTTA GET US BEFORE, BECAUSE THEY WANNA BE THERE BEFORE AND AFTER.

SO YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT WITH SAYING THAT A RECEPTION HAS A CON BEFORE THE, BEFORE IT STARTS.

THERE IS A CONTRACTED START TIME AND A CONTRACTED END TIME.

AND THOSE ARE THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU, AS THE, UH, RENTEE, UH, HAVE TO ABIDE BY.

IF YOU WERE TO, TO BREAK THAT CONTRACT, YOU'RE NOT JUST BREAKING THE CONTRACT WITH US AS THE FACILITY.

YOU'RE BREAKING THE CONTRACT WITH YOUR PHOTOGRAPHERS, WITH YOUR CATERERS, WITH YOUR MUSICIANS, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS BECOME, UH, A, A VERY STANDARDIZED THREE HOURS FOR A RECEPTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE, MOST OF YOU'RE MARRIED, I WOULD IMAGINE.

AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WHOEVER SIGNED THE CONTRACTS FOR THOSE.

I, THIS IS, IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THAT CONTRACTS WORK.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

UM, CAN YOU REMIND ME OF YOUR SECOND QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

PARDON? THE NUMBER OF PARK OH, THE PARKING SPACES.

YES.

UM, SO WE MET WITH PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF ON MARCH 6TH.

AND, UH, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ROOMS, ONE OF WHICH IS A LOBBY.

WE HAVE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOBBY THAT, UH, WE'VE PURPOSEFULLY PUT NEXT TO OUR BIG ROOM.

SO THAT SOUND CAN'T, SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT DOORS OPENING.

UH, THERE ARE, NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NO WINDOWS IN OUR MAIN ROOM, AND THERE ARE NO DOORS THAT LEAD, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE OUTSIDE.

SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE AN ATMOSPHERIC POCKET BETWEEN, UH, WHERE YOUR SOUND IS AND ANY EGRESS POINTS.

UM, THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE WOULD BE IF THE FIRE MARSHAL CAME IN AND SAID, I HAD TO, AND AT THAT POINT, I'M AT HIS MERCY.

BUT, UH, THE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, NO INGRESS, EGRESS INTO THE AMPLIFIED SOUND AREA.

UM, BUT LET ME GET BACK TO THE, UH, PARKING ISSUE.

SO WE HAVE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOBBY, AND WE HAVE A, UH, 1000 SQUARE FOOT ROOM THAT IS GOING TO BE USED AS OUR BRIDAL SUITE.

UM, IF YOU, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO WEDDINGS RECENTLY, UH, BRIDESMAIDS, UH, TAKE A LOT OF TIME WITH THEIR MAKEUP AND, UH, THEY LIKE TO HAVE A, A CENTRAL LOCATION TO DO THAT.

IF YOU HAVE A HOTEL BALLROOM OR SOMETHING, THEY'LL GET A SUITE, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT IS OUR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO ACCOMMODATIONS ON SITE, SO THAT'S OUR, YOU CAN HAVE A PRINCIPAL PLACE, IT'S GONNA BE HERE.

IF YOU GO GET MARRIED AT A CHURCH SOMEWHERE ELSE, ALL YOUR STUFF CAN STAY HERE, AND THEN YOU PICK IT UP AT THE END OF THE NIGHT.

THAT'S JUST GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE FOR A RECEPTION HALL.

SO THE LOBBY AND THE BRIDAL SUITE, WE WERE TOLD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, DO COUNT AS, UH, AGGREGATE RECEPTION AREA.

SO THAT'S 3000 SQUARE FEET OF RECEPTION AREA THAT, IN PRINCIPLE, ISN'T GOING TO BE USED FOR RECEPTIONS.

OUR MAIN ROOM IS 3,500 SQUARE FEET, AND

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THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE, THE TOTAL 6,500 SQUARE FEET OF RECEPTION AREA.

THE U D C REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 50 SQUARE FEET OF AGGREGATE RECEPTION AREA.

SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 130 SPOTS.

UM, I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THIS, THAT THERE ARE MANY PLACES WHERE THERE IS LIMITED PARKING, OR PARKING HAS BECOME AN ISSUE.

UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO NAME TOO MANY RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH RESPECT TO AN ISSUE THAT HAS PERVADED THE INDUSTRY.

AND, UH, SO WE HAVE 3,500 SQUARE FEET OF PRINCIPAL RECEPTION SPACE, A LEGAL AGGREGATE OF 6,500 SQUARE FEET OF RECEPTION SPACE.

AND WE'VE ADDED 22 ADDITIONAL SPOTS, FOUR OF WHICH ARE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH ARE AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE FACILITY WHERE ANYONE LEAVING THE FACILITY HAS TO DRIVE BY OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARKING.

UM, I, I CAN'T RECALL THE EXACT PARTICULARS OF OUR CONVERSATION WITH RESPECT TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION.

I THINK PART OF OUR CONVERSATION WAS THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GUESTS DID NOT PARK IN OTHER PEOPLE'S LAWNS.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT THEY DIDN'T PARK IN THE STREET, THAT YOU GAVE THEM AMPLE PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD KEEP THE CARS AND ALL ON THE RECEPTION PROPERTY, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN IN OTHER PLACES, AND I'VE TALKED TO, UH, HOAS AND, AND MEMBERS OF OTHER DISTRICTS THAT, UH, THAT HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH THOSE PROBLEMS. UH, AND FURTHERMORE, WE, AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, OUTTA RESPECT TO THE PIN OAK NEIGHBORHOOD, WE PUT EXCLUSIVELY COMPACT SPOTS ON OUR, UH, NOT OUR REAR PROPERTY LINE IN THE REAR OF OUR PROPERTY, WHERE THERE'S STILL A BUFFER, STILL MATURE TREES, UH, BEFORE YOU GET TO ANY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO I, I TALKED TO SOMEBODY WHO LIVED IN THE MAGNOLIA WOODS SUBDIVISION, AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, ONE TIME I HEARD, UH, THERE WAS A, LIKE A 10 CYLINDER TRUCK.

AND WE ALL KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY CRANK UP A TRUCK THAT SIZE COULDN'T EVEN FIT IN THAT PARKING SPACE THAT WE'VE DESIGNED IN THE REAR.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO THINK THROUGH IT BOTH LOGISTICALLY IN TERMS OF WHERE MAKES SENSE TO PUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO WAY WE RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN'T FIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT A BRIDE OR GROOM OR AN EVENT COORDINATOR MIGHT WANT.

COUNCILMAN MORRA.

MR. HOLCOMB, COULD YOU PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE? THANK YOU, SIR.

AS YOU'RE COMING FORWARD, UM, I KNOW WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT M CUPS.

I'M NOT EXACTLY THAT FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT SOUND AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THAT SEEMS LIKE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND YOU AND I HAVE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT STUFF THAT HAPPENS IN MY DISTRICT.

UM, CAN YOU TELL ME, IS BASED UPON THE DEVELOPMENT, THE PLAN, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT THERE IS NO, UM, NO SOUND, NO OUTDOOR ACTIVITY, NO OUTDOOR MUSIC PROVIDED WITH IN THE M CUP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ASSURE THAT THAT HAPPENS? YEAH, THERE IS A, THE CUP REQUIRES A DETAILED SITE PLAN TO BE PART OF THIS CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.

THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS A LAYOUT OF THE SITE.

IT SHOWS, SHOWS THE BUILDING.

IT DOESN'T SHOW DETAILS ON THE INTERIOR.

IT SHOWS A LANDSCAPE.

THERE IS A REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UH, ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE TO PROVIDE, UH, SOME SCREENING AND DISTANCE REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THIS USE AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE PERIMETER.

UM, BUT THERE'S NO OUTDOOR FACILITIES SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.

SO, AGAIN, THAT, THAT SITE PLAN IS VERY MUCH A PART OF THIS, UH, CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, AND THAT SITE PLAN CAN BE CHANGED.

SO MY FEAR IS, AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, BUT, UM, SOMETHING I NEED TO EXPRESS ON THE RECORD IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, IF, IF THIS BUILDING IS SOLD LATER AND SOMEONE COMES ALONG AND THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING OUTDOOR, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS THEM FROM DOING THAT? OR IS THERE ANY WAY, OR IT HAS TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL? HOW DOES THAT WORK? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? THERE'S CERTAIN MINOR MODIFICATIONS THAT CAN BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT A A CHANGE SUCH AS, AS YOU'RE SUGGESTING, WOULD BE A MAJOR CHANGE THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY, PERFECT.

SO IT WOULD STILL BE UP TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THAT AREA? THAT'S CORRECT.

COULD PUT UP, JUST BECAUSE THIS WAS, WAS DRAWN AS A COMPARISON.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR.

OH, COUNCILMAN BUSON.

YEAH, JUST A FEW QUICK COMMENTS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION.

UM, I WANTED TO ASK STAFF IF THEY

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UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT COMPARISON TO OTHER FACILITIES.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE BALCONY BALLROOM OVER IN MET, I'VE HEARD A DISCUSSION ABOUT JEWEL J NEWMAN AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THERE'S BEEN OTHER, UH, COMPARISONS TO WHITE OAK PLANTATION GARDENS, THAT KIND OF THING.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.

SO THIS IS THE JEWEL J NEWMAN COMMUNITY CENTER.

UM, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SPACE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND THEN WHERE EVENTS ARE BEING TAKEN PLACE WHERE PARKING LOTS ARE THAT SORT OF THING.

THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY AN EXAMPLE OF, OF WHERE IT CAN SORT OF WORK.

UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UH, IF YOU GO TO THE BALCONY, BALLROOM, IF YOU'LL, IF YOU'LL GOOGLE THAT AND, AND PULL IT UP, WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS A PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL AREA THAT ABUTS I 10.

UM, THERE IS A, IT LOOKS LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, A SMALLER APARTMENT, APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET, BUT AGAIN, A PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL AREA, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, SITE SPECIFIC, LOOKING AT THE ISSUES ON THE GROUND, UH, I, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, FOR CLARITY'S SAKE.

I, I CERTAINLY DO TAKE EVERYONE'S OPINIONS, UH, AS A PART OF MY CONSIDERATION.

UH, BUT THIS IS THE SAME TYPE OF CONSIDERATION THAT I WOULD GIVE IF THIS WAS HAPPENING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOUR AREA AS I DO FOR THESE FOLKS.

UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT SAID, UH, I, I WILL, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE WITH MY MOTION.

UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADDRESS THAT I I DON'T THINK WAS INCLUDED IN THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UM, THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION.

I THINK THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO END ALL EVENTS AT MIDNIGHT.

SO, UH, I, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A PART OF THE MOTION.

AGAIN, TO CLARIFY, I WILL BE OPPOSING THAT MOTION.

I THINK THIS IS STILL GONNA BE, EVEN WITH THOSE, UH, PROVISIONS, I STILL THINK THIS WILL BE EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND WILL DETRACT, UH, FROM THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

UM, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT THOSE BE INCLUDED IN, IN, IN THAT SUBSTITUTE AS A BARE MINIMUM, UH, COUNT.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BANKS, UH, YES.

UM, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

PLANNING.

WOULD YOU PULL UP FIVE OAKS? UM, ALSO, AGAIN, UM, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU JUST ARRANGED THAT, BUT FIVE.

OH, IT WASN'T THEM.

IT WAS BEHIND YOU.

SHAWN, WHAT ARE Y'ALL SEEING? JUSTIN'S OH FIVE.

OH, IT'S UP THERE, SHAWN.

THERE IT IS.

NO, IT'S, UM, OKAY.

YOU SEE IT? YEAH, IT'S A SUBDIVISION.

I MEAN, IT WAS A RECEPTION HALL THAT WAS APPROVED.

IT WAS A, UM, M CUP ONE PAULO ORION DASH 18, PAULO ORION.

IT'S IN, I WAS GONNA SAY BUDDIES.

'CAUSE IT HAPPENED DURING BUDDIES, UH, YEAH.

YOU, YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT LOCATION? UH, YES.

IS THERE A RECEPTION HALL? YEAH, FIVE OAK TREES.

I MEAN, I CAN POINT TO FIVE OAK TREES OUTSIDE.

IS THAT IN DRIVE? I DON'T, OR IS THAT THE NAME OF THE FACILITY? POINT OF WATER? I, I DON'T.

I DON'T, I, I HEARD COUNCIL MEMBERS HUDSON'S REQUEST, BUT THE QUESTION BECOMES, DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN THE MOTION TO APPROVE? IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE REQUEST IS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DICTATE AND RESTRICT.

POINT OF BORDER.

SHAUNA, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR COMMENT? OKAY, WELL, MY COMMENT IS, UM, THAT THERE WAS A FACILITY, A RECEPTION HALL THAT, UM, ACTUALLY WAS APPROVED ON FIVE OAKS IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUBDIVISION.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL THAT WAS IN THAT AREA.

IT WAS ALL RESIDENTIAL AND THERE WERE NO, UM, FURTHER RESTRICTIONS ACTUALLY.

AND IT WAS AN EXCLUSIVELY, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET IT PUT PUT UP.

UM, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE RESEARCH ITEMS. AND COUNCILMAN HUDSON DID APPROVE IT.

COUNCIL.

SO AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I AL I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, MY SUBDIVISION IS NEIGHBOR TO EVERYBODY, AND THE, THE BOUNDARIES ARE EXACTLY, SO I'M SURE FROM AN AREA VIEW, IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT MY NEIGHBORS ARE RIGHT THERE.

AND AGAIN, UM, GO FORTH WITH MY MOTION.

I THINK THESE YOUNG, UM, THE DEVELOPERS DONE EVERYTHING, AND IT WOULD, UH, CERTAINLY BE, UH, HYPOCRITICAL FOR THIS SAME, UM, PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED UNDER, UM, IN DISTRICT EIGHT EIGHT TO AND APPROVED BY, UH, COUNCILMAN HUDSON.

AND NOW WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME SITUATION AND HE'S NOT FOR IT.

UH, PAULO QUESTION.

I DON'T,

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UM, THE M CUP DOESN'T CARRY THOSE TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS.

IT, IT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T, THEY COULD AGREE TO IT.

UM, BUT THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT.

IT'S DIFFERENT THAN LIKE A, A SPUD OR PUD THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT, THAT TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS WITH IT.

SO, COUNCIL MEMBER HUDSON IS YOUR DISTRICT, SO I'LL ALLOW YOU A THIRD TIME.

GO AHEAD, PAULA.

WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH STAFF ALREADY, AND IN FACT, WHEN WE DID THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT ENDED UP BEING DENIED THE SUGARBERRY ON SOUTH HAR FERRY, WE HAD TIME CONDITIONS IN PLACE AT THAT ONE.

THE TIME CONDITIONS COULD BE IN PLACE, NOT PART OF THE MOTION.

THAT COULD JUST BE AN AGREEMENT THAT MR. MCDOWELL COULD AGREE WITH IT, BUT IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED IN THAT CASE.

STAFF ADVISED THAT IT COULD BE ENFORCED AS A PART, AS A CONDITION UNDER THE INCOME IMPACT.

I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT.

I'M NOT SURE WHO GAVE YOU THAT OPINION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAME FROM FOR ME.

I DON'T HAVE TOTAL RECOLLECTION OF THAT, UH, CASE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UM, ON WHERE THAT ONE WAS.

BUT I, I CAN'T RECALL OFF OF THAT.

BUT THE M CUP WOULD NOT, ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU PUT ON IT WOULD NOT BE, WOULD NOT BE VALID.

IT'S JUST NO DIFFERENT THAN IF, IF YOU WERE TO REZONE SOMETHING WHERE THEY SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA PUT IN A, YOU KNOW, A, A GAS STATION OR A LAUNDROMAT OR SOMETHING TO REZONE, BUT THEY WANT TO THEN TURN AROUND AND PUT IN A CONVENIENCE STORE DIFFERENCE, THE ZONING GOES WITH IT.

IT COULD BE THERE FOREVER.

SO THE M CUP, WE CAN'T RESTRICT HOURS OF OPERATION.

UM, NOW THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS THAT IF, UH, ALCOHOL, UM, IS TO BE SERVED AT THIS, THE ESTABLISHMENT WOULD HAVE TO STOP SERVING AT TWO O'CLOCK.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO OBSERVE ALL A, B, C LAWS.

THE NEXT, UH, PIECE IS THAT IF THIS WERE TO GET APPROVED TONIGHT, THAT, UH, THAT THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO GET AN A, B, C LICENSE AS WELL.

SO IF THE PREMISES IS GONNA SERVE ALCOHOL, THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE AN A, B, C LICENSE.

SO THERE IS A SECOND STEP TO THIS PROCESS WITH IT.

COUNCIL MO CALL FOR THE QUESTION.

WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON, WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR.

WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FIRST.

THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS TO VOTE ON THE, I MEAN, IS TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS IS.

WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE MACHINES.

MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE.

AND ASHLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO YES.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, EXPLAIN WHAT CALL FOR THE QUESTION MEANS? UM, IT MEANS TO CEASE DEBATE AND TO, UH, VOTE ON THE ITEM.

THE ITEM PASSES COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'LL GO TO ITEM FOUR NOW, PROVIDING A REPORT ON THE POTENTIAL OF AMENDING THE U D C REGARDING DISTANCE LIMITATIONS FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS.

UH, RYAN, ARE YOU GONNA GIVE US THAT REPORT? COME ON DOWN, RYAN.

YOU THE MAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO.

MORNING RESTROOM, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THIS ITEM WAS, UH, REQUESTED.

IT'S NOT IN YOUR DISTRICT, IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE WHOLE CITY, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, HURST HAS REQUESTED THAT WE ALLOW THE CHAMBER TO BE CLEAR BEFORE YOU BEGIN YOUR REPORT.

IT, IT'S NOT A VOTING ITEM.

SO WE ARE NOT, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, WE NEED TO GO BACK TO HEAR THAT OTHER ONE.

DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND HEAR THAT GENTLEMAN'S? SIR? WOULD YOU LIKE US TO REHEAR? YOUR HONOR, SAY SOMETHING.

YOU WOULD, WHAT NUMBER? WHAT ITEM NUMBER WAS IT? ONE, NUMBER ONE.

OH, DO, YEAH.

I DUNNO IF Y'ALL WANNA BRING THAT BACK.

MAYOR

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PROTE, I'D LIKE TO REHEAR AN ITEM.

PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO REHEAR.

ITEM NUMBER ONE.

RECONSIDER ITEM ONE.

YES.

I'D LIKE TO RECONSIDER ITEM NUMBER ONE BEFORE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS LEAVE.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

ANY OPPOSITION? YEP, THERE'S OPPOSITION.

WELL, IT'S OUR, SO THERE'S OPPOSITION, SO WE, YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT? YES, SIR.

SO, SO A QUICK RUNDOWN.

THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR THE REHEAR, THE MOTION IS THE GENTLEMAN WAS STUCK IN TRAFFIC, COULDN'T

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MAKE IT FOR HIS NUMBER ONE ITEM.

I'D LIKE TO GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF YOU OBJECT, THAT'S YOUR RIGHT TO OBJECT AS WELL.

OBJECT.

BECAUSE YOU TO VOTE ON THE MOTION AS TO DATE, THEY HAVE A LAWYER AND THEY DID NOT.

SO THE, THE CHALLENGE, TALK TO ME.

I WANT TO TALK TO YOU.

I JUST HOLD, HOLD ON, HOLD UP, HOLD UP, HOLD UP, HOLD UP, SIR.

HOLD UP, SIR.

PROVIDING A REPORT ON THE POTENTIAL OF AMENDING THE U D C REGARDING DISTANCE LIMITATION FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS.

THE, THE ITEM IS NUMBER ONE.

WE VOTED IN ON IT AND WE ALREADY APPROVED IT.

THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

THE, THE, THE DEVELOPERS OF THE ITEM ARE NO LONGER HERE.

SO WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE, ON, ON YOUR MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM.

WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE MACHINES TO RECONSIDER.

MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER ITEM ONE, MOTION FAILS.

MOTION FAILS.

WE WILL NOTE, WE'LL NOT HEAR THE ITEM.

WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM FOUR, SO YOU WON'T BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, HUH? SIR? I, I'M A ERR TO THIS PROPERTY.

I DIDN'T SIGN OFF ON I'M SIR, SIR, BEFORE THIS PUBLIC MEETING, I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW, SIR, SIR, YOU CAN'T SPEAK ON THE ITEM.

WE, WE, WE DIDN'T VOTE UNDER PUBLIC RECORD.

THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA HELP YOU RIGHT THERE.

ALRIGHT, RYAN.

ITEM FOUR,

[4. 23-01093 Providing a report on the potential of amending the UDC regarding distance limitations for forensic psychiatric hospitals. By Planning Director.]

HOSPITAL IS THE POPULATION OF PATIENTS THEY SERVE AND THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE.

COUNCILMAN HURST.

UH, INITIALLY BROUGHT THIS ITEM TO YOUR ATTENTION EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND PLACED AN ITEM ON THE, UH, COUNCIL AGENDA IN FEBRUARY, ASKING, UH, YOUR COLLEAGUES TO, UH, INITIATE A STUDY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION OFFICE TO LOOK INTO THE ISSUE OF FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIC FACILITIES IN EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH.

THIS ITEM WAS INITIATED, LIKE I SAID, IN FEBRUARY.

UH, IT IS QUITE A COMPLEX ISSUE THAT THE U UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT CURRENTLY ADDRESS.

SO THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH THAT WENT IN THERE.

I WILL, UH, ATTEMPT TO WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND HOW THE ZONING AND REGULATORY CHALLENGES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN EAST PA BATON ROUGE PARISH, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, ADDRESS THIS ISSUE OR, OR DO NOT ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, I SHOULD SAY.

LOUISIANA'S FIRST PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL OPENED IN JACKSON, LOUISIANA OVER 170 YEARS AGO.

INPATIENT PROGRAMS INCLUDED SERVICES TO ADULTS WHO WERE REMANDED TO THE PROGRAM THROUGH LEGAL COURT PROCEEDINGS, PROVIDING SPECIALIZED MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT AND EVALUATION FOR INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

HOWEVER, DUE TO CLOSURES, BUDGET CUTS AND LIMITATIONS OF THE OUTDATED FACILITY, THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF INPATIENT FORENSIC BEHAVIOR CARE THAT EXISTS.

THE SHORTAGE HAS BECOME MORE ACUTE IN RECENT YEARS AS COURTS HAVE ORDERED MORE INMATES TRANSFERRED FROM JAIL FACILITIES TO MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES.

IN 2022, THE LOUISIANA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH LAUNCHED, LAUNCHED AN INITIATIVE LOOKING TO EXPAND INPATIENT BEHAVIORAL HEALTHCARE.

THIS INITIATE THIS INITIATIVE RESULTED IN THE STATE SELECTING A HEALTHCARE PROVIDER TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO OPEN A SIMILAR FACILITY IN EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH.

AND THAT BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE HERE, AND COUNCILMAN HURST REQUESTING THAT, THAT MORE INFORMATION BE PROVIDED, UH, IN ORDER TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL REGULATORY CHALLENGES AND POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO THIS ISSUE.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT LIST A PSYCHIATRIC FACILITY FORENSIC OR OTHERWISE IDENTIFIED AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE CURRENT PRACTICE IS TO CLASSIFY SUCH FACILITIES CARING FOR PATIENTS THAT INCLUDE OVERNIGHT STAYS TO BE CLASSIFIED AS A GENERAL HOSPITAL.

ALSO, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT IDENTIFY A PRISON DETENTION OR EVEN A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY AS A SPECIFIC PERMITTED USE AS WELL.

HISTORICALLY, THEY'VE BEEN CONSIDERED PUBLIC FACILITIES, GOVERNMENT OWNED AND EXEMPT FROM U D C REQUIREMENTS.

HOSPITALS ARE ALLOWED, ACCORDING TO THE U D C IN THE FOLLOWING ZONING CODES, C ONE, LIGHT COMMERCIAL C TWO, HC ONE, AND HC TWO HEAVY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

HEALTHCARE FACILITIES OFTEN RESEMBLE COMMERCIAL USES IN NATURE, BUT ZONING CODES SOMETIMES TREAT THEM LESS RESTRICTIVE.

THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GENERAL HOSPITAL AND A FORENSIC

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A GENERAL HOSPITAL IS A MEDICAL FACILITY THAT PROVIDES A BROAD RANGE OF MEDICAL SERVICES TO PATIENTS WITH VARIOUS MEDICAL CONDITIONS, ILLNESSES, AND INJURIES.

GENERAL HOSPITALS PROVIDE CARE FOR ALL PATIENTS REGARDING THEIR LEGAL STATUS OR CRIMINAL HISTORY, WHEREAS A FORENSIC HOSPITAL IS A SPECIALIZED MEDICAL FACILITY THAT PROVIDES MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT AND EVALUATION TO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

CHAPTER NINE IN THE U D C FOR THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE CURRENTLY ONLY SEPARATES THE FOLLOWING MEDICAL FACILITIES, MEDICAL OFFICE OR CLINIC AND A HOSPITAL.

THE DIFFERENCES STEM FROM THE LENGTH OF CARE THEY PROVIDE MEDICAL OFFICE OR CLINIC ARE LIMITED TO OUTPATIENT CARE, WHERE A HOSPITAL ALLOWS BOTH OUTPATIENT AND EXTENDED CARE RESULTING IN OVERNIGHT STAYS.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE GILLIS MOORE AND MY ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR WHO CONDUCTED THE RESEARCH.

WE LOOKED AT CITIES IN, IN BOTH LOUISIANA, OTHER PLANNING DEPARTMENTS AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS IN THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE G UH, GUIDANCE AND BEST PRACTICES TO THIS TOPIC.

HE'LL, UH, WALK YOU THROUGH THAT RESEARCH AND WE'LL, AND WE'RE BOTH HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, BASED ON THE RESEARCH, WE, WE IDENTIFIED THE FOLLOWING FOUR OPTIONS, UM, THAT I, I WANNA PRESENT TO YOU GUYS.

SO, UH, PER YOUR DIRECTION, WE, UH, RE BEGAN RESEARCHING CITIES IN LOUISIANA.

WE RESEARCHED FIVE, UM, NEW ORLEANS, UH, KENNER, LAFAYETTE LAKE, CHARLES AND SHREVEPORT.

UM, ALL FIVE EITHER LISTED.

THEY, THEY DID NOT LIST A FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL OR A PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL AS AN ALLOWABLE USE.

THEY SIMPLY DIDN'T.

THEY IDENTIFIED THEM AS A HOSPITAL OR IN THE CASE OF, UH, LAKE CHARLES, AN INSTITUTIONAL USE.

UM, WE WENT ON TO SOME, UH, PEER CITIES IN THE REGION AND WE RESEARCHED 12, UM, OUT OF THE 12 THAT WE RESEARCHED, 50% PRETTY MUCH DID THE SAME THING.

THEY IDENTIFIED IT AS A, UM, THEY IDENTIFIED A FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIC FACILITY AS EITHER A HOSPITAL OR A HEALTHCARE FACILITY.

I, I DIDN'T MENTION THIS, UM, BUT I WANTED TO JUST NOTE NO TWO ZONING DISTRICTS ARE THE SAME.

UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 'EM IN DIFFERENT CITIES, AND ALSO SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT, THE STATE STILL OPERATED THE FACILITIES.

SO THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY RULES PERTAINING TO 'EM 'CAUSE IT WAS STATE OPERATED AND, UM, AND THEREFORE EXEMPT.

UM, SO ANYWAY, SORRY.

BACK TO THE, UH, REGIONAL CITIES.

SEVERAL CITIES DID IDENTIFY THIS USE AS A DISCIPLINARY CARE FACILITY OR A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY.

UM, AND, AND THEY ALLOWED THOSE PRETTY MUCH AS A CONDITIONAL USE OR A SPECIAL USE, AS THEY CALLED IT, DEPENDING ON UPON THEIR JURISDICTION.

UM, TWO CITIES, LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS, AND, UH, DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA APPROACHED IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

UH, LITTLE ROCK, UH, CALLED IT AN ESTABLISHMENT FOR CARE OF, UH, ALCOHOLIC NARCOTIC OR PSYCHIATRIC PATIENTS, WHEREAS DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA CALLED IT A SOCIAL SERVICE INSTITUTION.

UM, SO I GUESS ACROSS THE BOARD IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

UM, WE WENT ON AND DID SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH.

WE REACHED OUT TO, UM, LOUISIANA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF PSYCHIA, PSYCHIATRY AND BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES AT TULANE.

UH, WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO, UM, NATIONAL, UM, A P A, THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, UM, TO, TO POLL THEM TO SEE HOW THEY DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE.

UH, FROM ALL THIS, OUR FINDINGS IDENTIFIED, SORRY, THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE A FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL IS A SPECIALIZED MEDICAL FACILITY THAT PROVIDES MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT AND EVALUATION TO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

A MAJORITY OF THE CITIES, LIKE I MENTIONED, UM, CONSIDER A FORENSIC HOSS PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL, SOME TYPE OF MEDICAL USE.

UM, THESE MEDICAL USES ARE GENERALLY ALLOWED IN OFFICE COMMERCIAL MIXED USE IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.

UM, MANY OF THE CITIES REQUIRE OUR EQUIVALENT OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT ALLOWS ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY AS TO THE LOCATION, SITE DESIGN, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS LESSEN THE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

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UH, THE FIRST IS KIND OF TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT PRACTICE, UH, THAT A FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIC FACILITY WILL CONTINUE TO BE CONSIDERED A HOSPITAL USE.

UM, NUMBER TWO IS WE WOULD INTRODUCE A NEW USE WITH MORE OF A CORRECTIONAL COMPONENT AND, UH, ALLOW THIS IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, UM, OR, OR SOME PREDETERMINED ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH NATURALLY IS NOT NEAR, UM, SENSITIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, POPULATIONS.

UH, THE THIRD WAS TO INTRODUCE, AGAIN, A NEW USE WITH A CORRECTIONAL CORRECTIONAL COMPONENT.

ALLOW IT IN A PREDETERMINED ZONING DISTRICT WITH DISTANCE LIMITATIONS.

THE DISTANCE LIMITATIONS ARE CURRENTLY USED IN THE U D C TO PROVIDE RELIEF, UH, FROM CONFLICTING NEARBY USES.

WE, UM, WE USE THAT WE HAVE A 250, UH, FOOT BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED ON SOME USES OF 500 FOOT BUFFER.

UH, THAT'S REQUIRED FOR SOME USES.

AND IN OUR MOST EXTREME CASE WE HAVE A THOUSAND FOOT BUFFER.

UM, THE LAST, UH, OPTION WOULD BE TO INTRODUCE, AGAIN, A NEW USE WITH A CORRECTIONAL COMPONENT.

ALLOW THOSE IN PREDETERMINED ZONING DISTRICTS WITH DISTANCE LIMITATIONS, BUT ADDING TO THE, UH, PREVIOUS OPTIONS YOU WOULD ALSO REQUIRE PHYSICAL SCREENING.

UM, THIS, THE PHYSI THE VIS VISUAL SCREENING IS, UM, CURRENTLY ALSO INCORPORATED WITHIN THE U D C TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, UH, RELIEF FROM OPPOSING, UH, LAND USES.

IT COULD ALSO KIND OF ANECDOTALLY PROVIDE RELIEF, UM, TO, THAT WOULD PROVIDE A THERAPEUTIC IMPACT TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL LOOK TO YOU GUYS FOR, UM, FOR GUIDANCE ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.

COUNCILMAN BUR.

ALRIGHT, SO I GOT A, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THERE.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PAST AND I LOOK AT THE FORMER, UM, HOSPITALS THAT WERE IN USE, IF I'M CORRECT, AND I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS IN A WHILE, BUT LAKE CHARLES JACKSON AND GREENWELL SPRINGS WERE THE THREE FORENSIC PSYCH HOSPITALS THAT WE HAD, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

WHO WAS MIGHT HONOR OF THOSE HOSPITALS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS THE STATE OF LOUISIANA.

THAT IS CORRECT.

WHICH MEANS IT WAS NOT A PRIVATIZED VENUE, WHICH MEANS WE HAD NO JURISDICTION OVER WHERE THE STATE PLAN OR THOSE FACILITIES.

WE ONLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROTEST OR, OR, OR TO GIVE OUR OPINION TO THE STATE OF WHERE IT SHOULD BE DONE.

BUT ULTIMATELY THEY MADE THAT, THAT DECISION, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THOSE, THOSE FACILITIES WERE PUT IN WHAT TYPE OF AREA? UM, IN THE RURAL AREAS.

NUMBER TWO, CORRECTIONAL AND INDUSTRIAL.

UM, NUMBER TWO.

SO, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT LAKE CHARLES AND THEM DEFINING IT AS, UH, WHATEVER THE DEFINITION WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS DISCIPLINARY CARE.

I MAY HAVE, I MEAN, SORRY, INSTITUTIONAL USE, BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHY THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY NO NEED IN THE STATE OF LOUISIANA.

'CAUSE YOU COMPARED TO THE LEFT LAFAYETTE LAKE, CHARLES SHREVEPORT, UM, AND SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

BUT THERE WAS NO NEED TO DEFINE THIS BECAUSE IT WAS ALL OWNED BY THE STATE.

SO WHY WOULD THEY HAVE A U D C CODE TO DEFINE THE STATE? YOU DON'T DO THAT.

'CAUSE THEY SUPERSEDE OUR JURISDICTION LOCAL LEVELS.

SO WHEN WE MAKE THIS CONVERSATION AND HAVE THIS COMMUNICATION HERE, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS NO PRECEDENT SET PRIOR TO.

AND SO IT'S OKAY FOR US TO BE THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY TO DO THAT SINCE WE'RE THE FIRST ONE FACING THAT.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT NAMES AND THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

UM, I'LL JUST TELL YOU, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT A VOTING THING, BUT I, I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT MAIN MAKES SENSE, NUMBER ONE, MAINTAINING AS A HOSPITAL DOESN'T PROVIDE A A, THE NUMBER ONE DEFINITION FOR THAT, RIGHT? I BELIEVE TO, TO DEFINE NOW THAT IT'S COMING TO A LOCAL LEVEL, WE NEED TO TREAT IT AS IF, AS IF WE'RE ON THE STATE LEVEL AND WE DO HAVE SOME AUTHORITY.

UM, 'CAUSE WE NEVER HAD TO DO THAT BEFORE.

LET ME TELL YOU THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF RYAN CAN TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT OR WRONG ON THIS, BUT I LOOK AT THE SHERWOOD, NORTH SHERWOOD FOREST PARK IN 124 ACRES OVER THERE WHERE WE WERE ZONING AT M ONE THAT DIRECTLY SURROUNDS PARK FOREST, MONTICELLO, THE SHERWOOD PARK, UH, VILLA DEL RAY, NO WAY IN HELL ON THE MIC WOULD I EVER LET YOU PUT THAT THERE.

NOT YOU PARTICULARLY, BUT ANYBODY BECAUSE IT'S AS MUCH OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA AS ANY OTHER AREA

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IS.

SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE, UM, SOME PREDEFINED DISTANCE, UH, LIMITATIONS PUT THERE.

AND UM, SO THE ONLY ONE THAT EVEN MAKES SENSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ME IS NUMBER FOUR.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF A THOUSAND FEET IS, IS, LET ME, HOW MUCH DOES THAT COMPARE TO A MILE? A MILE IS 5,280 FEET.

SO YEAH.

EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE.

YES, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT WE MINIMALLY DOUBLE THAT, THAT DISTANCE LIMITATION, UM, FOR THIS.

AND THEN ALSO WHEN WE DO IT, WE INCLUDE THE WORD CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, UM, AS WELL.

UM, AND WE USE THE, WE NAME IT CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, BUT WE ALSO MINIMALLY DOUBLE THAT DISTANCE LIMITATION.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AS YOU GUYS MOVE FORWARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

AND THEN AS THIS COMES UP, I HOPE I'M NOTIFIED SO THAT I CAN, UH, ATTEND AND, AND KIND OF GIVE MY 2 CENTS AND JUST TO, AND ACTUALLY PACK THE ROOM WITH PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THIS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU KNEW.

SO WE HAVE SEVERAL TYPES OF USES IN, IN, IN THE U D C ONE IS PRETTY MUCH JUST PERMITTED BY, RIGHT.

UH, THE NEXT IS, IS A LIMITED USE.

AND, AND THAT'S WHERE IF YOU ALLOWED IT IN A PREDETERMINED ZONING DISTRICT, IT WOULD BE AN L AND IT WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE LIMITATIONS LISTED THAT, THAT YOU AS A BODY WOULD DEEM APPROPRIATE.