[Storm Water Advisory Committee on September 26, 2023.]
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COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE GETTING HERE.
WE, WE DID HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE PEOPLE, UH, SAY THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE HERE, BUT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE IF THEY, THEY SHOW UP.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AND, AND WE'LL BE, BEGIN WITH THE, UH, WITH THE RECAP OF THE PRIOR MEETING SO THAT IF ANYBODY COMES OVER WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MINUTES, THEY SHOULDN'T MISS MUCH.
SO, UH, NEXT ONE, MORE PLEASE.
SO AT THE LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WERE PART OF THE, UH, STORMWATER MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOME STORMWATER QUANTITY ITEMS. WE PRESENTED, UH, TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
WE PRESENTED $200 MILLION WORTH OF CAPITAL AND THEN $300 MILLION WORTH OF CAPITAL.
AND THEN IN THAT, UH, THERE WAS A, THAT WOULD BE BONDED, AND WE SHOWED THAT HOW THOSE, UH, RATES WOULD RAMP UP OVER THE YEARS AS MORE MONEY WAS REQUIRED TO, TO BOND THOSE PROJECT.
UH, THEN WE PRESENTED IN THIS SLIDE, THERE WAS A, I THINK THERE WAS AN ERROR ON THE, UH, THE FOLLOWING SLIDE, BUT WE DID GO AHEAD AND CORRECT THOSE.
THESE WERE THE, THE COSTS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE VARIOUS SIZE HOMES BASED ON JUST THAT 200, WELL, THE 200 MILLION IN, UM, IN CAPITAL.
AND THEN THE 25 CENTS, THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN APPROVED FOR THE SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR COMPLIANCE.
SO THAT'S 85 CENTS PER BILLING UNIT PER MONTH TOTAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE VARIOUS SIZE, UH, HOMES WOULD BE CHARGED ANNUALLY FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, THE FIRST TWO ARE THE SAME AMOUNT, AND THAT'S BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE TIERED SYSTEM.
UH, SIMILARLY ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS THE 300 MILLION IN CAPITAL VERSUS 200 MILLION IN CAPITAL, AND THE VARIOUS, UH, COST OF DIFFERENT SIZE IMPERVIOUS AREAS FOR THOSE.
SO WITH THAT, WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE, AND REVISIT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE OR DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE.
AGAIN, RIGHT NOW WE ARE, UH, WORKING ON COMPLIANCE ONLY AT SIX AND A HALF MILLION.
UH, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD PRESENTED 19.2 MILLION AS A MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND THEN 29.2 MILLION AS A RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AND ON THE, THE FOLLOWING SLIDE, THIS KIND OF BREAKS DOWN THE, WHERE THE, THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE SPENT WITH THOSE, UH, VARIOUS, UH, DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE COSTS.
THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE, THE, THE OVERALL NUMBERS ARE THE SAME, BUT SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE EMAIL THAT I SENT Y'ALL.
AND I, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS NOW THAT WE ARE, UH, ALMOST A YEAR AND NINE MONTHS INTO SPENDING THE A R P DOLLARS, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE DATA THAT WE CAN PUT TOWARDS THESE WE KNOW ACTUAL COSTS.
VERSUS, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE WERE, WE ONLY HAD A, A FEW MONTHS WORTH OF COST.
SO A FEW OF THESE WERE ADJUSTED, BUT THE, THE OVERALL NUMBER IS THE SAME.
AND, AND THE ONES THAT, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THE, THE PIPE REPAIR NUMBERS AND THE INLET REPAIR NUMBERS ARE INCREASED A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN THE INSPECTION COST OR DECREASED A LITTLE BIT.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME AS IT WAS PRESENTED.
I THINK THAT WAS, UH, WAC TWO MEETING.
AND THEN IN THE EMAIL THAT WENT OUT LAST WEEK, WE LIKE ACRONYM.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THE, THE DIFFERENCES IN THE, THE LEVELS OF SERVICE FOR DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE.
SO YOU'LL SEE PHYSICAL INSPECTION, THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE IS 3 MILLION ANNUALLY, THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE IS 6 MILLION ANNUALLY.
AND WHAT THAT, WHERE THAT 6 MILLION COMES IN, AS WE LOOKED AT THE, THE LINEAR FOOTAGE OF
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PIPE IN THE SYSTEM AND THEN ABOUT WHAT IT COSTS TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PIPE AND $6 MILLION WOULD ALLOW US TO INSPECT THAT PIPE ON A A 15 YEAR INTERVAL.UM, JUST FOR, UH, COMPARISON, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO IN OUR, UH, SEWER CONSENT DECREE THAT WE WOULD INSPECT THE PIPE ON A A 15 YEAR INTERVAL.
WE AVERAGING A LITTLE BETTER THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WAS AGREED UPON.
YOU SAID THE MAGIC WORD SEWER CONSENT DECREE.
AND THAT'S STORM WATER SEWER? NO, SIR.
I WAS JUST, I, I WAS, UM, REFERENCING WHERE THE, THE 15 YEAR INTERVAL, I, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ANYTHING BEYOND A 15 YEAR INTERVAL.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE.
THERE'S, WITH THIS MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE, THERE'S NO, I MEAN, I GUESS TECHNICALLY IF YOU DID THE MATH, YOU'RE ON A 30 YEAR INTERVAL, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYONE WOULD, UH, WOULD RECOMMEND DOING AT SUCH A LONG INTERVAL BETWEEN INVESTIGATING PIPE.
BUT YEAH, I'M SORRY, I, THAT'S SANITARY SEWER, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.
I JUST, I WAS JUST EXPLAINING THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE SAID, HEY, FOR THAT RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT THE PIPE ON A 15 YEAR INTERVAL, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THINGS ARE GONNA COME UP AND CALLS ARE GONNA COME IN AND HEY, GO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
WE NEED TO CLEAN OUT THIS CATCH BASIN.
SO THERE WERE, AS NEEDED CLEANING FUNDS OR INSPECTION FUNDS THAT WERE PUT INTO THAT RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE.
BUT THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PHYSICAL INSPECTION ITEMS, THE PIPE REPAIRS.
AND THIS IS AFTER HAVING A LITTLE MORE, UM, LOOKING AT THIS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WITH THE PIPE REPAIRS, THE AVERAGE PIPE REPAIR, RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU TAKE OUT SOME OF THE, THE OUTLIERS FOR SOME SIGNIFICANT PIPE REPAIRS, WE'RE AT ABOUT $5,000 PER PIPE REPAIR.
SO THAT, THAT 1.8 MILLION, LET'S SEE THAT 1.8 MILLION RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SERVICE REQUESTS THAT ARE COMING IN, IF THEY CONTINUE TO COME IN AT THE SAME RATE THAT THEY DO RIGHT NOW, THAT THAT WOULD NOT EVEN COVER WHAT'S COMING IN RIGHT NOW.
SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO SUB, THIS WOULD REALLY JUST BE SUPPLEMENTING WHAT DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE IS DOING RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE AT 2.4 MILLION, THAT COVERS ON AVERAGE WHAT IS COMING IN RIGHT NOW, PLUS A LITTLE BIT EXTRA WITH THE THOUGHT THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA GO LOOKING AT ALL THIS PIPE ON A 15 YEAR INTERVAL, YOU'RE GONNA FIND THINGS IN THE SYSTEM PROACTIVELY THAT HAS NOT BEEN CALLED OUT YET, OR CALLED IN YET FROM A CUSTOMER BASE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PUT ON A WORK ORDER TO GET FIXED.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT EXTRA FUNDING IS, IS PLACED THERE.
UM, IS THIS ALL THE 15 YEAR INTERVAL, IS THAT ALSO CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, SOME OF THE PRACTICES FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TOO? YEAH, I, I WOULD, YES.
ANYWHERE BETWEEN A A 10 AND A 15 YEAR INTERVAL IS.
BEST PRACTICES, UM, SAME THING WITH THE, THE INLET REPAIRS.
WE, WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED THE AVERAGE INLET REPAIR AGAIN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU THROW OUT SOME OF THE OUTLIERS, IT'S ABOUT $1,750 PER INLET REPAIR.
SO JUST TO ADDRESS WHAT'S COMING IN, WE NEED 600,000 LITTLE LESS.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST TO ADDRESS JUST WHAT'S COMING IN FROM A, UH, CUSTOMER COMPLAINT STANDPOINT, AGAIN, THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS IF THE MORE
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YOU GO LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM PROACTIVELY, THE MORE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND, AND YOU'RE GONNA BE IDENTIFYING THINGS THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED AT SOMEONE MAY NOT HAVE CALLED IN.SO YOU NEED, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO LOOKING FOR PROBLEMS, YOU NEED A PLAN ON THE MONEY TO FIX THOSE PROBLEMS THAT YOU'VE, THAT YOU'VE FOUND.
SO THAT'S WHY THE BUDGET IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THERE.
CONCRETE LINE CANALS, WE'VE GOT IT AT 750,000 ANNUALLY.
AND, AND WHAT THAT'S REALLY TO DO IS, IS TO FIX SPOTS ALONG THOSE CANALS.
NOW, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF PLACES WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE SOME VERY LINEAR REPAIRS.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE, UH, CAPITAL PROJECTS EITHER WAY, BUT IN THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THAT GIVES US SOME ANNUAL FUNDING TO GO ADDRESS THE SPOT REPAIRS.
WHEREAS IN THE, THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE NOT, WE WON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF DOING THAT.
AND IF SOMETHING DOES COME UP OR WHEN SOMETHING DOES COME UP, THEN IT'LL BE PLANNED AS PART OF THAT CAPITAL WORK.
ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE WE NO LONGER PUT IN CONCRETE LINED THAT WE LEAVE NATURAL, OR IS CONCRETE STILL A CONSIDERATION IN SOME AREAS? I'M GONNA LET BRAD ANSWER THAT ONE.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BEST PRACTICES ARE NOT TO DO CONCRETE LINING, LEAVE NATURAL, YOU KNOW, AND LEAVE IT NATURAL FOR WATER ABSORPTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT CERTAINLY THERE ARE AREAS THAT, BECAUSE THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE, YOU MAY HAVE TO, BUT OUR GOAL AND OBJECTIVE WOULD BE MORE OF A EARTH AND CHANNEL AND HAVE A PROTECTED PICK AND DEAL WITH THAT WITHOUT USING CONCRETE.
THIS LINE ITEM SEVEN 50 WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT CONCRETE THAT'S FALLEN IN, THAT'S CAVED IN PATCHING, REPAIR AND THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WHERE WE SEE THE ISSUES WITH THESE IS YOU'VE GOT A CROSS DRAIN COMING FROM THE STREET TO THE CONCRETE LINE CHANNEL THAT'S IN THE MOST TIMES IN THE REAR OF THE HOMES.
AND THAT PIPE HAS FAILED IN SOME FORM OR FASHION.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'VE, THEY SWAPPED PIPE MATERIALS.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS CONCRETE PIPE UP TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND THEN CONCRETE PIPE COMES IN SHORTER JOINTS THAN CORRUGATED METAL PIPE DOES.
CORRUGATED METAL PIPE, YOU CAN GET IT IN A 20 FOOT JOINT.
SO YOU WANT THAT LAST JOINT OF PIPE AT THE CONCRETE LINE CANAL TO BE A, A FULL 20 FOOT JOINT.
AND SO YOU WANT IT TO BE C M P.
WELL, THE PROBLEM IS WHERE THOSE TWO PIPE MATERIALS WERE PUT TOGETHER, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A JUNCTION BOX OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT RIGHT THERE.
SO THERE WAS JUST A, THERE WAS A FAILURE AT THAT POINT, THEN A SINKHOLE FORMED BEHIND THE CHANNEL, AND THEN IT JUST GOT WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.
AND THEN YOU PULL THAT CONCRETE PANEL BACK AND THERE'S THIS VOID THAT YOU COULD LOSE A HALF TON PICKUP TRUCK IN, LITERALLY.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE ISSUE.
SO WE, WE HAVE TO GO IN, WE HAVE TO FIX THAT CROSS DRAIN.
WE HAVE TO FLOW FILL IT SO WE CAN GET THAT MATERIAL BACK AND THEN PUT THE CONCRETE BACK.
SO IT, IT IS, UH, WHEN IT, THERE, IT'S NOT A CHEAP FIX.
WHENEVER WE HAVE TO FIX THOSE, UH, ROADSIDE DITCHES AGAIN, THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE IS 1.75 MILLION THAT WOULD, UH, ALLOW, UH, THAT MAINTENANCE TO CONTINUOUSLY, UH, HAPPEN WITH THE, THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO, AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD JUST BE SUPPLEMENTING THE DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE CREWS THAT ARE DOING THE WORK RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'RE HANDLING IT RIGHT NOW WITH THE A R P FUNDS.
THE DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE FOLKS ARE, ARE, UH, DIGGING THE ROADSIDE DITCHES AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE A R P FUNDS TO, UH, TO HELP THEM OUT AND GET CAUGHT UP ON THAT, THAT BACKLOG NINE ROADSIDE THAT IS GOING BACK TO THE, THE EARTH AND CHANNELS THAT, THAT FREYA WAS TALKING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE, UH, THE, THE LARGER, UH, CHANNELS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME EROSION THAT IT'S BEHIND HOMES OR BUSINESSES, THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND THAT MONEY WOULD BE USED TO, TO BETTER TO STRENGTHEN
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THAT, THAT EARTHEN CHANNEL IN THOSE AREAS.THAT THAT'S WHERE THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE IN, IN THOSE AREAS.
AND THAT THAT'S WHY THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S NOT, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THERE CAN BE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE AND RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE.
'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FIX ITEMS LIKE THAT CHANNEL CLEARING.
SO THIS IS, UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THIS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE USING, UH, WITH VARIOUS PROJECTS.
THERE'S SOME FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS OUT THERE THAT, UH, FRED'S WORKING ON.
WELL, FRED'S WORKING ON ALL OF 'EM, BUT YOU GOT SOME FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS THROUGH, I GUESS IS IT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THROUGH A R P FUNDS, BUT THAT'S THE, THE LARGER CHANNELS, UH, JONES CREEK, WARD CREEK, CLAY CUT, BAYOU ELBOW BAYOU, THERE'S, I THINK, UM, WHITE BAYOU UP IN THE NORTH, ALL THOSE, THOSE LARGER CHANNELS OF GETTING, GETTING THAT VEGETATIVE DEBRIS OUT OF THE CHANNEL.
AND WHAT THAT REALLY DOES IS, IS IT, IT KEEPS THAT STUFF FROM EVENTUALLY FALLING INTO THE CHANNEL AND THEN STACKING UP ON THE, THE BRIDGE PILES AND THEN CAUSING AN ISSUE THAT WAY.
SO IF YOU CAN STAY ON TOP OF THAT MAINTENANCE, KEEP THAT STUFF OUT OF THE CHANNEL SO THAT WHEN YOU DO HAVE A, A HIGHER INTENSITY RAIN EVENT, YOU DON'T WASH ALL THE, THAT LARGE DEBRIS DOWN AND, AND GET IT HUNG UP ON A BRIDGE AND THEN CAUSE SOME TYPE OF ISSUE.
YOU GOT A QUESTION? SO THOSE WERE THE FIVE TRIBUTARIES PROJECTS, IT SOUNDS LIKE, THROUGH THE CORE THAT'S DOING RIGHT NOW TO, TO MAINTAIN THOSE LONG TERM.
IS THIS ALSO INCLUDE THE COST TO MAINTAIN THE
AND THAT'S NOT GONNA BE IN THIS BUDGET LONG TERM THAT THAT IS NOT IN THIS BUDGET.
I THINK THAT'S A, UH, I, I CAN, I KNOW OVER
OH, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU WERE ON THAT
THAT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT IN THESE NUMBERS.
THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED, THAT'S ABOUT $900,000 A YEAR.
THAT, THAT THE NUMBER THAT THE CORE PRESENTED TO US WAS ABOUT 900,000 A YEAR.
BUT THAT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED ON THE NEW NUMBERS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT AT, FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, WHAT IS THAT COST GOING TO BE? BUT IT, IT IS A MINIMUM OF 900,000 JUST TO, TO DREDGE.
AND THE, THE SILTATION OUT OF THE, THE, THE DIVERSION IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND THAT WOULD BE DONE EVERY 10 YEARS AND THAT, THAT WOULDN'T HA BUT THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN TILL 2027 PROBABLY.
IT IS AN OBLIGATION OF THE CITY PARISH TO, TO DO THAT MAINTENANCE THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND SO THERE'S NO QUESTION WHY, WHY WOULDN'T THE DISTRICT, WHY WOULDN'T THIS STORMWATER UTILITY DISTRICT PLAY A PART IN DOING THAT STORMWATER MAINTENANCE? I THINK THE KEY WOULD BE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NUMBERS THAT ARE REALISTIC.
AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FEES, YOU WANT TO BE SURE THAT YOU, YOU'RE NOT DRAGGING THIS, THIS COST OUT OF THE AIR.
FROM THAT STANDPOINT, YEAH, WE COULD HAVE PROBABLY PUT THE 900,000 IN THERE AND AT LEAST COVERED TO THAT POINT.
BUT AGAIN, UH, I, I'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST PUT NUMBERS IN SOMETHING.
IT CAN BE ADDED AT A, AT A LATER DATE, THAT'S FOR SURE.
SO, BUT FOR NOW, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT IT, THAT WORK WILL BE PERFORMED BY DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE AND THE MONEY WILL COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
IT, IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT THIS POINT, BUT AGAIN, THE DIVERSION CANALS AS A WAYS FROM BEING FINISHED.
AND THEN EVEN WITH THAT, I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT I MEAN THAT'S, UH, I DON'T MEAN THAT IT'S, IT IS A LITTLE OFF SCHEDULE.
HOW ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT? UH, AND ONCE THAT'S IN PLACE, THEN WE, ONCE IT'S OFFICIALLY ACCEPTED, THEN WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
NOW WE ARE NOT, ESTIMATES ARE ABOUT 900, BUT THAT, THAT, AGAIN, YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT TO GO RIGHT IN RIGHT OFF THE BAT AND BE SPENDING 900,000 THE FIRST TWO OR THREE YEARS FOR SURE.
AND, AND THEN THE LAST ITEM ON THE, THE LIST IS THE, UH, THE INSPECTION AND THAT INSPECTION IS CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION, MEANING THAT WHEN THESE PIPE REPAIRS ARE BEING DONE, INLET REPAIRS BEING DONE, VARIOUS TYPES OF REPAIRS THAT WE HAVE INSPECTORS OUT THERE, MAKING SURE THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS
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DOING THE WORK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS.THIS IS THE NUMBER THAT WE, WE LOWERED.
WE ACTUALLY, WE FOUND THAT THE, THE NUMBERS THAT WE ESTIMATED UPFRONT WERE, WERE HIGH, WHICH I GUESS, WHICH IS, IS GOOD.
WE, WE ARE ADEQUATELY COVERING THE PROJECTS WITH THE INSPECTION FIRMS THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE THREE INSPECTION FIRMS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE COVERING ALL THE, THE A R P FUNDED WORK.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO, TO LOWER THESE A A LITTLE BIT AND THEN BUMP UP THE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THEMSELVES AND, AND KEEP THE NUMBER THE SAME.
THE NEXT SLIDE IS WE, WE JUST PULLED THE, THE AVERAGE NUMBERS OF REPAIRS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, SO YOU CAN SEE OVER AND, AND I JUST, I WENT IN COMPLETE YEARS, SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE 2023, BUT WE'RE AVERAGING 444 PIPE REPAIRS PER YEAR, AND THEN 322 INLET REPAIRS PER YEAR.
AND AGAIN, THAT NEXT PAGE, SO THAT, THAT EQUALS AT $5,000 OF REPAIR, THAT'S $2.2 MILLION JUST TO GET THAT WORK DONE FOR THE PIPE REPAIRS.
AND THEN AT 1750, THAT'S JUST UNDER $600,000 TO GET THAT, THOSE INLET REPAIRS DONE.
THAT CURRENTLY IS COMING OUT OF THE 9.5 MILLION IN THE DEPARTMENT OF MAINTENANCE BUDGET WHEN YOU HIT THAT 2.2 IN YOUR CURRENT REPAIR COSTS THERE.
AND THEN WE ARE, UH, BETWEEN THAT AND THE A R P FUNDS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH ARE NOT, WHICH WILL NOT CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE.
YEAH, BUT BEFORE A R P IT WOULD'VE BEEN COMING OUTTA THAT 9 MILLION.
IT WOULD'VE HAD TO COME OUT OF THE 9.5 MILLION.
SO I THINK THE, UM, THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES WERE EXPLAINING WHAT WENT INTO THOSE NUMBERS.
UM, AND AGAIN, I GUESS THAT, THAT, BUT THAT QUESTION'S A, A GOOD SEGUE.
'CAUSE THE, THE EMPHASIS HERE IS THAT WE, WE HAVE SOME DEDICATED FUNDING TO DO MAINTENANCE ON THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, SPECIFICALLY THE, THE COLLECTION SYSTEM AND THEN THE, UH, THE OPEN CHANNELS.
AND THEN THAT ALLOWS THAT NINE AND A HALF MILLION.
THAT DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE HAS TO DO A LOT OF THINGS THAT IS FALLEN ONTO THE BACKLOG RIGHT NOW, SO THAT THE OVERALL SYSTEM IS BETTER MAINTAINED.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S IN THERE IS WE DO HAVE, UM, MONEY IN THERE FOR, FOR SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS.
AND THAT WAS A, A RAMPED UP NUMBER THAT WE WERE, WE HAD IN THERE.
SO WE WERE, WE WERE STARTING OUT AT ONE AND A HALF MILLION PER YEAR.
AND THEN WE WERE, WE WERE RAMPING IT UP.
SO WE HAD MONEY IN THERE FOR ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION OF CAPITAL PROJECTS IN, IN BOTH OF THE RECOMMENDED LEVELS OF SERVICE.
AND THAT WOULD BE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WOULD, FOR THE MOST PART, WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE, THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN ITEM.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MIGHT FIND A SUBDIVISION WHERE THE, THE PIPE IN A CERTAIN AREA NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED FOR A SIGNIFICANT LENGTH.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN COVER ON THE POINT REPAIR CONTRACT.
WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A, A CAPITAL PROJECT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THE INTENT WAS BEHIND THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT WE DID WAS WE JUST, JUST TO PUT SOME NUMBERS OUT THERE JUST TO SHOW WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE DID THE 200 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECTS FROM THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, AND THEN YOU PUT IN THE, THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH WAS THE 19.2 MILLION, THEN THE, THE BILLING UNIT PER MONTH IS, IS ROUGHLY A DOLLAR 30.
SO THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE WE ARE WITH THE VARIOUS SIZE HOUSES.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, YOU'RE AT $57 AND 20 CENTS ANNUALLY.
3,700 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE YOU'RE AT JUST UNDER $120 PER YEAR.
AND THEN SAME WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, THE LARGER STRUCTURES.
THE FOLLOWING PAGE IS, AGAIN, 200 MILLION
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IN CAPITAL FOR THE STONEWATER MASTER PLAN ITEMS, AND THEN THE, THE FULL RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE.AND THERE YOU'RE AT A DOLLAR 65 PER BILLING UNIT PER MONTH, WHICH PUTS YOU $72 FOR A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ANNUALLY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST UNDER A DOLLAR, I MEAN $152 FOR 3,700 SQUARE FOOT HOUSING.
SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE, AN IDEA OF ABOUT IF ALL THESE THINGS WERE COMBINED TOGETHER, WHERE THEY WOULD LAND.
UM, JOE, WOULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE PLEASE, SIR? THAT'S THE DOLLAR 30.
SO I CAN KEEP IT STRAIGHT IN MY HEAD.
I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO CRAFT MY QUESTION.
IF WE IMPLEMENT A FEE THAT WOULD START IN TWO YEARS, GOOD POINT.
IS IT? YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING WITH MY VERY, VERY HALF-BAKED QUESTION.
OKAY, SO THIS WAS IN THAT, THAT'S THE NUMBER IN 2035.
THE 200 MILLION, THE, THE 200 MILLION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S BONDING ALL $200 MILLION OVER 10 YEARS.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY IN YEAR 10.
SO IF WE STARTED, IF YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE FOUR, I THINK YES.
SO IF YOU ADD, BASICALLY IF YOU ADD 70 CENTS TO THOSE, THAT WOULD BE WHERE YOU ARE.
SO IN 2027 YOU'D BE AT 79 CENTS PER BILLING UNIT AND THEN IT WOULD RAMP UP TO A DOLLAR 30.
UH, AND WE JUST ROUNDED THE 57 OFF TO 60.
'CAUSE ALL THESE NUMBERS, WHOOPS, ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE APPROXIMATE AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE JUST REALLY ZERO IN ON SOMETHING.
THE, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE 19.2 MILLION WORKS OUT TO BE ABOUT 70 CENTS PER BILLING UNIT.
SO WHEN YOU, SO IN 2027, IT'D BE 79 CENTS.
IT, IT WOULDN'T JUMP UP OVER A DOLLAR UNTIL YOU GOT TO 2030.
THEN IN 2027, UNDER THAT $200 MILLION SCENARIO, FOLKS COULD EXPECT TO SEE 79 CENTS PER BILLING UNIT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND I'M SORRY TO THE COMMITTEE IF I WASN'T CLEAR IN MY QUESTION, BUT YOU DID A GREAT JOB, ADAM, AND IN INTERPRETING WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
THE TWO SLIDES AT THE END ON THE EXAMPLE OF STORMWATER CHARGE ARE BASED ON A RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE AND A LIMITED, UH, DID YOU PREPARE ONE FOR THE COMPLIANCE LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH THE $200 MILLION? THE COMPLIANT AS THE EXAMPLE? YEAH, THE COMBINING OF THE $200 MILLION CAPITAL, CAPITAL BUDGET PLUS THE COMPLIANCE MAINTENANCE BUDGET.
OKAY, SO JUST THE, SO THE SIX AND A HALF AND THE 200 MILLION IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SO YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE, SLIDE FIVE IS, IS THAT ONE NOW, THAT'S, NOW AGAIN, THAT'S IN, UH, 2035.
SO THE DIFFERENCE, IT'S ROUGHLY WAS THAT 45 CENTS? 'CAUSE THE SIX AND A HALF MILLION IS INCLUDED IN THE 19.2 MILLION.
WHEN EVERYTHING IS PUT TOGETHER, THAT INCLUDES THE SIX AND A HALF.
SO WE'RE JUST ADDING ON THAT INCREMENTAL AMOUNT.
I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS AND I HOPEFULLY IT'S PRESENTED IN A WAY.
I'M NOT, I'M I'M A SLOW LEARNER.
SOMETIMES THE PAGE SLIDE FIVE INCLUDES THE SIX AND A HALF MILLION BEING DEDICATED TOWARD COMPLIANCE AFTER 2026.
THAT WOULD BE AS TO BE A NEW EXPENSE RAISED BY THE STORMWATER FEE.
IN ADDITION TO THE 200 MILLION.
SO THE HEADER, IF WE WERE TO WRITE IT LIKE THE HEADER
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ON, I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.WOULD RERE PLUS COMPLIANCE PLUS COMPLIANCE YES.
AND THAT, THAT'S THE SAME FOR SLIDE SIX AS WELL.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE 300 MILLION PLUS COMPLIANT.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE GOAL OF TODAY WAS, IF WE KIND OF REALLY GET INTO SLIDE 10 WOULD BE WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE COMMITTEE'S THOUGHTS ON THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE VERSUS RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS? YOU COULD SAY, WELL, I WANT, I WANT TO FULLY FUND ONE OF THESE, BUT I'M OKAY WITH THESE OTHERS.
OR WE COULD, IT COULD BE THE MINIMUM, THE RECOMMENDED OR ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN, OR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE CALCULATION I WAS TRYING TO DO LAST MEETING, AND I WANTED TO REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THIS.
SO THE MALL OF LOUISIANA IS AROUND 167 ACRES.
AND IF I'M DOING THE MATH RIGHT ON THIS, AND THIS IS PARTLY A GUT CHECK TO MAKE SURE I'M KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT.
UM, IF YOU HAD A HUNDRED EIGHTY SIX SIXTY SEVEN ACRES, THEY THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY 80% IMPERVIOUS AREA, UH, IN THEIR, IN THEIR LAND AREA.
AND AT THAT 85 CENT FEE, THAT'S GONNA RUN THEM ABOUT 119,000 A YEAR.
AND SO IN THEIR BUSINESS, YOU'D LIKE THEM TO CUT PERSONNEL EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 119,000 PER YEAR OR RAISE RATES ON THEIR TENANTS BY 119,000 A YEAR IN AN ERA WHEN MALLS ARE GROWING INCREASINGLY UNCOMPETITIVE.
I'M JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE THE CHALLENGES, BUT I WANT TO PUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF A, A VERY SPECIFIC LARGE CONCRETE OWNER,
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WOULD, FROM A CREDIT STANDPOINT, I CAN'T, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN L P D AS PER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ON THE RIVER.
THEY DON'T, SO I'M, I'M THINKING, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CREDITS THAT THEY WOULD'VE, UM, BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR EITHER, EVEN IF THEY WERE, IT WOULDN'T KNOCK THAT DOWN A WHOLE LOT.
I JUST WANNA PUT 85 CENTS IN CONTEXT.
OF, OF A, I THINK I'VE ASKED IN PRIOR MEETINGS TO SEE THE LIST OF THE LARGEST IMPERVIOUS AREA PROPERTIES IN THE PARISH, JUST TO BE ABLE TO KNOW, HEY, LET'S HAVE SOME REAL PRACTICAL CONTEXT.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT BRECK AND L S U AND OTHER LA AND CITY, YOU KNOW, OR, UH, STATE LOUISIANA, BUT LIKE, THAT'S WORTHWHILE CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT WORTHWHILE HAVING SOME REAL WORLD EXAMPLES OF THAT LEVEL OF COST AND THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
WE, WE DO HAVE IT THAT WAY AS WELL.
AGAIN, MY, MY MATH COULD EASILY BE WRONG HERE, BUT MY, MY, THAT WAS OUR GUESS WAS IF, IF 167 PLUS 80% IS IMPERVIOUS ANNUALIZING, THAT MONTHLY NUMBER OF 85 CENTS, IT MIGHT BE WORTH IT TO HAVE A TEACHER WITH A BLACKBOARD.
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I I WOULD GUESS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY, UH, PUT A PENCIL TO MOST OF YOUR BIG LANDOWNERS BOOK.CAN WE GET THAT OR NOT? YES, SIR.
I, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND LIKE SARAH'S MENTIONED, SOME OF 'EM, AND I THINK THE, THE MALL'S PROBABLY ONE OF, WE JUST, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE ALL THE, THE PARCELS TOGETHER.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THEM, THEY'RE MULTIPLE PARCELS.
UM, AND EXXON IS, IS AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE OF THEY'VE GOT THAT AREA THAT THEY BOUGHT OUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA BY THE REFINERY, RIGHT.
SO THEY'VE GOT A TON OF INDIVIDUAL PARCELS RIGHT THERE.
BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE GRABBED ALL OF THOSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE, THE HANDFUL OF BIG ONES WHERE THEIR ACTUAL OPERATIONS ARE, BUT THEN YOU GOT A BUNCH OF LITTLE INDIVIDUAL ONES WHERE THEY, WHERE IT WAS CLASSIFIED AS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
I'M THINK IN A LOT OF CASES IT, IT'S STILL, STILL THERE IS CLASSIFIED AS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE GRABBED ALL OF THOSE WHENEVER WE WERE CAPTURING TOTAL, UH, LANDOWNERS.
THEY ARE, YES THEY ARE, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY STILL FALL AND IT, BUT WITH THE, UM, WITH THE TIER, YOU KNOW, THEY FALL, THEY ALL FALL IN THAT LOWEST TIER.
I'M GONNA THINK OUT LOUD HERE.
DO WE HAVE, HAVE WE LOOKED AT OTHER COMMUNITIES? I'M CONFIDENT OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE SOME SORT OF STORMWATER FEE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE LARGE IMPERVIOUS PROPERTIES, BUSINESSES IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
HAVE WE EXPLORED HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES TREAT THIS? I MEAN, THAT'S A HANGUP FOR A LOT OF FOLKS IS TO SHOW THE SHEER NUMBERS OF SOME OF OUR BIG JOB CREATORS, BIG PROPERTIES IN, IN THE PARISH AND WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE READ.
SO, I'M SORRY, BLACK AND VEATCH, HAVE THEY OFFERED UP ANY EXAMPLES? ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I, I'LL, I'LL HAVE THEM ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I KNOW THEY HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE, FOR THE MOST PART, THAT'S WHERE THE CREDITS AND WHERE THAT CONVERSATION COMES IN IN SOME WAYS.
BUT AGAIN, TO THE MR. KNAPPS POINT, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S, UH, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THESE HIGHER DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
I MEAN, WHEN WE WERE AT THE, THE 25 CENTS FOR COMPLIANCE, THAT THAT NUMBER WASN'T, UH, AS SIGNIFICANT.
ONCE WE ADD ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER, UM, ADAM, DIDN'T WE HAVE A LIST THAT HAD THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ENTITIES THAT REACHED A CERTAIN LEVEL? WE DID.
IT WA IT WASN'T, IT WAS JUST A HANDFUL AS I RE I DON'T HAVE THAT SL THAT WAS FROM A PREVIOUS MEETING.
YOU HAD RIGHT, RIGHT THERE, THERE WERE NOT, UM, OKAY.
'CAUSE IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE IT, IT NO LONGER MADE SENSE TO PUT FOLKS IN THE TIERS AND YOU JUST INDIVIDUALLY CALCULATE 'EM BECAUSE IT THEN YOU ESSENTIALLY JUST HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIERS ON THE HIGHER END.
BUT YEAH, WE, WE CAN, I THINK THAT WAS THE, UH, THAT WAS THE LAST MEETING I THINK I HEAR WE MIGHT BE GETTING SOME STORM WATER OUTSIDE.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST THAT WE HAD, THERE WAS ONLY TWO, IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL PARCELS.
DOES IT MEAN RESIDENTIAL PARCELS OR DO WE START HERE? THIS OPTION THAT WAS THE LAST MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW, OFFICER, THIS REFERS TO IT AS QUOTE RESIDENTIAL
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PARCELS.'CAUSE I, WHAT WE ULTIMATELY LANDED ON WAS TIERED RESIDENTIAL UP TO A CERTAIN POINT.
AND THEN THEY WOULD BE INDIVIDUAL, INDIVIDUALLY CALCULATED.
THEN EVERYTHING THAT WAS COMMERCIAL OR EVERYTHING THAT WAS NOT RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE INDIVIDUALLY CALCULATED.
SO THIS REALLY IS ONLY, I LIKE TO KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE UH, 500 TO 750,000, UH, SQUARE FOOT.
AND THEIR ANNUAL CHARGE WOULD BE 3,700.
I GUESS THAT'S THE PENNINGTONS AND ONE OTHER PEOPLE THAT I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THEN THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S AT ONE ANOTHER 1215.
SO UNTIL YOU GET TO ABOVE 25,000 THERE, THERE'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED TOTAL.
AND WE, WE DID SCRUB THAT QUITE A BIT 'CAUSE UH, INITIALLY THEY HAD SOME TRAILER PARKS IN THERE AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
'CAUSE THEY WERE ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
SO I THINK WE SCRUBBED IT FOR THE MOST PART TO WHERE IT'S, UH, TRULY RESIDENTIAL THERE.
BUT THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF, UH, FULL OF LARGE TRACKS OUT THERE.
THE, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE THEY FALL, BUT I, I, ONE THAT I, ONE AREA THAT I DO REMEMBER OF IS, UH, THAT MALLARD LAKES AREA.
THEY'VE GOT SOME, UH, SOME JUST LARGE PROPERTIES IN, IN GENERAL IN THAT AREA WITH SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THEM.
ANYBODY ELSE? SO THE QUESTION THAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IS THE USE YOU SUPPORT THIS MINIMUM OR RECOMMENDED OR SOME HYBRID OF THE TWO? IS THAT, I TH THAT WAS THE, UM, THAT WAS THE GOAL OF THE CONVERSATION.
I, I THINK WE, WE JUST IN, IN GENERAL, WE WERE GOING TO, AND WE LANDED ON THE SIX AND A HALF.
BUT IN, IN GENERAL, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, THE CONVERSATION WAS DO WE WANT TO REVISIT IF WE'RE GONNA BRING A PACKAGE TO THE VOTERS, WHAT, WHAT DOES, WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THAT, IN THAT PACKAGE THAT WE BRING TO THE VOTERS ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, UM, WHERE WE HAVE THE REOCCURRING FUNDING.
YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'M STRUGGLING WITH, AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE SHOWED A SLIDE WHERE WE, WE DO 400 PIPE REPAIRS AND 300 INLET REPAIRS EVERY YEAR.
AND, AND SO THAT, THAT FUNDING IS COMING OUT OF THE 9.5.
WE'RE WE'RE, AND SO IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO RECONCILE THE ZEROS THAT ARE THERE.
NOW, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT ONCE WE HAVE THE FEES THAT THAT FREEZE UP THE 9.5 AND I GUESS MAYBE TO DO OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T LISTED HERE, AND MAYBE I JUST NEED A BETTER APPRECIATION OF WHAT THOSE OTHER THINGS ARE.
WELL, I GUESS THE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE WORK THAT IS COMING IN.
SO IF, IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS, THIS, OUR FUNDING, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING, YOU KNOW, LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION WORTH A, A YEAR OF PIPE REPAIRS AND X AMOUNT OF INLET REPAIR.
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WE'D BE TRYING TO USE NINE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.DEPARTMENT OF MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS OUT VERY LITTLE WORK.
THEY DO HAVE, UM, HANDFUL OF THINGS.
THEY'VE GOT A, A SPRAYING PROGRAM WHERE THEY, THEY SPRAY THE, THE EARTH AND DITCHES TO MM-HMM.
BUT OTHERWISE, EVEN IF YOU CALCULATE IT IN-HOUSE EFFORTS, THEY'RE NOT DOING $2 MILLION WORTH A YEAR FOR OF POINT REPAIRS OR $750,000 A YEAR WORTH OF INLET REPAIRS BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY'VE GOT THAT NINE AND A HALF MILLION THAT'S GOTTA FUND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO.
SO THEY CAN'T COMMIT THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT THE BACKLOG THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THE PIPE REPAIRS AND INLET REPAIRS IN 2018 TO 2022 WAS FUNDED WITH A PORTION OF THE 9.5 OR FUNDED AS A PORTION OF THE A A R P A? A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE ARE USING A R P MONEY TO CONTRACT CATCH UP ON THAT, TO CONTRACT THINGS OUT AND, AND CATCH UP ON THAT BACKLOG.
SO WE'VE GOT, JUST TO GET INTO SPECIFICS, WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT WITH GRADY CRAWFORD TO DO THE PIPE REPAIRS, AND THEN WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT WITH N C M C TO DO THE INLET REPAIR.
THOSE DID NOT EXIST PRIOR WHEN THEY WERE ONLY GENERAL FUND DOLLAR.
AND HOW LONG, OR HOW MANY MORE YEARS DO WE HAVE THE A R P RIGHT NOW? WE GOT ONE MORE YEAR, WE GOT NEXT YEAR.
AND SO, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT LISTED AS THAT FUNDING GOING TOWARDS, SEE HOW THAT, AND, AND, AND I'M GUESSING IT'S THE ONETIME FUNDING, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AA, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO IT'S NOT LISTED AS SORT OF GOING TOWARDS INLET REPAIRS.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING, UH, IS, IS THAT CAPTURED IN THE 5 MILLION AND THESE NUMBERS DOWN BELOW IT IT, NO, IT'S NOT.
THE A R P SPENDING IS, IS NOT IN ANY OF THESE NUMBERS.
ADAM, JUST FOR, FOR CLARITY, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CORY MENTIONED WAS THAT THE 9.5 WOULD FREE UP IF THIS FEE WAS PASSED, BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN FISHING.
THE, THE 9.5 WILL CONTINUE TO GO TOWARD, TOWARDS DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE, TOWARDS DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE.
JUST OTHER, OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE, THAT THEY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON AND, AND PUT MORE EFFORT TOWARDS.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD FREE UP, IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO FREE UP MONEY WITHIN THE DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE BUDGET, CONCENTRATE ON THIS AMOUNT OF TASK AND STAY ON TOP OF THEM.
BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO USE THAT MONEY ELSEWHERE IN THE BUDGET.
YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO USE THAT MONEY ELSEWHERE.
YEAH, I THINK IF WE JUST HAD A FEW MORE DETAILS ON WHAT THAT 9.5 WOULD BE USED FOR, UH, 'CAUSE AGAIN, A LAY PERSON LIKE MYSELF SEES THIS LIST OF THINGS, SO THAT COVERS EVERYTHING THAT D P W DOES, BUT, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T.
UM, SO WHEN WE SAY IT FREES UP THE 9.5 SAY TO DO OTHER THINGS, I, I THINK JUST A LITTLE MORE CLARITY ON WE CAN DO THAT.
WHAT THOSE OTHER THINGS ARE, WE CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD FREE UP THE MONEY.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE YEAH, LIKE FRED MENTIONED, THERE'S, THERE'S SUCH A BACKLOG RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE, THE LACK OF FUNDING THAT WE HAVE THAT THERE, THERE'S GONNA JUST, THERE'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME WHERE THERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY CAP UH, CATCHING UP ON THAT BACKLOG.
AND THEN I, THERE WERE SOME ITEMS, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WITH, UH, LEVY MAINTENANCE THAT
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THEY NEED TO, TO FOCUS ON MORE.AND JUST CLEARING STREAMS, CLEARING BEAVER DAMS, THAT TYPE OF THING UP IN THE, THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PARISH WHERE IT'S VERY MUCH REACTIVE RIGHT NOW.
IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO FOCUS MORE OF THEIR EFFORTS ON THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THOSE, UM, ITEMS ARE PART TAKEN CARE OF.
SO LET ME ASK THE QUESTION THIS WAY.
THE 10 MILLION RECURRING, WHICH IS IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR MAINTENANCE RIGHT NOW, THE OTHER TWO, WHICH WAS EITHER AT 19, SAY 20 MILLION OR 30 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE, IF YOU DIDN'T DO THAT, YOU'D JUST BE CREATING A BACKLOG.
AND YOU HAVE TO SOMEHOW ANOTHER PRIORITIZE THAT.
AND BASICALLY THAT WOULD SAY THE SYSTEM'S JUST GONNA DETERIORATE AGAIN OVER TIME.
IS THAT FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT YES, SIR.
AND WE ARE, EVERYTHING THAT IS DONE RIGHT NOW IS, IS REACTIVE.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS, UM, PUTTING OUT THE, THE BIGGEST FIRE OF THE DAY.
AND IF, IF THERE WERE MORE DEDICATED FUNDING TO WHERE WE COULD BE MORE PLANFUL WITH THE WORK, THEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD STAY ON TOP OF THINGS.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S JUST WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER THE PROBLEM OF THE DAY IS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE FIXING.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU CAN, UM, YOU'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE BASED ON THE FUNDING THAT YOU'VE GOT.
SO I'LL, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT.
UH, ONE, UM, I WANT TO PLAY WITH A COUPLE OF CALCULATIONS.
MY, MY, MY OWN SENSE IS WE WOULD EXPECT THIS NUMBER TO BE SMALLER FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE.
IT'S ABOUT IMPLICATIONS ON, UH, ON, ON, ON, ON BUSINESS COSTS AND TRYING TO FIND A, A BALANCE.
UM, AND ALSO TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE FOR A COMMUNITY AND A BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THIS, HAS NEVER SEEN ANY SENSE OF, IT DOESN'T, A WHOLE LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN GENERALLY IN GOVERNMENT.
UH, AND I THINK THERE'S A RECOGNITION, RECOGNITION THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND SOME WAY TO BALANCE STARTING SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT AND ACCOMPLISHING A PURPOSE AT THE SAME TIME AS NOT JUMPING OUT TOO FAR AHEAD AS, AS HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST PERHAPS.
UM, AND, AND SO MY SENSE WAS ONE IS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE, BUT TRY TO FIND A NUMBER THAT THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT MORE REASONABLE.
THE SECOND THING I THINK IS NOT RELATED TO LEVEL OF SERVICE OR PRICE.
IT IS THE LACK OF COMMUNITY READINESS TO ADOPT THIS.
AND THEY, UM, PROBABLY THE, THE LACK, IF, IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, NOT COUPLED WITH SOME SORT OF SUBSTANTIAL COMMUNITY EDUCATION CAMPAIGN AND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME FOR PUBLIC INPUT, IT'S DEAD IN THE WATER ANYWAY, WHICH IS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM WE ENCOUNTERED LAST YEAR.
AND I THINK THE, THE CHALLENGE OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US FOR IS, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY MENTALLY CALCULATING MULTIPLE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME.
NOT JUST IMPACT TO OUR, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO KINDA THE FEASIBILITY OF SUCCESS.
AND, UH, I THINK IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'RE FRAMING THINGS IN BOTH THE POLITICAL CONTEXT, YOUR OWN KIND OF REPRESENTATIVE GROUP'S CONTEXT, UH, AS WELL AS KIND OF THIS COMMUNITY MINDEDNESS THAT YOU'VE ASKED US TO, TO SPEND THIS SEVEN WEEKS, THESE SEVEN MEETINGS WORKING ON THIS.
AND SO I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF I'M ASKED TO DO THAT ON BEHALF OF OUR ORGANIZATION, WE WOULD TRY TO COME BACK WITH A NUMBER THAT I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD SAY LIKE, OH, WE HAVE TO GO SHOP AROUND A NUMBER.
BUT THAT IF THAT'S THE KIND OF THE, THE RANGE OF POTENTIAL PRICES AND THE MAXIMUM UPSIDE TO THE WORST POSSIBLE IMPACTED BODIES, THEN WE CAN GO AND MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS AND KIND OF GET A SENSE OF HOW PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THAT NUMBER.
UM, BUT IT TAKES SOME SAKE OF DOING, ONCE THERE'S A REAL NUMBER, LIKE YOU FINALLY WE'VE GOTTEN TO THROUGH THIS MEETING IS NOW THERE'S SOME REAL WAYS TO DO SOME CALCULATIONS AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE THAT, IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT I KNOW WHAT MY ORGANIZATION THINKS ABOUT THIS.
'CAUSE WE HAD TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE HAD A NUMBER TO KIND OF SHOP IT AROUND.
AND IDEALLY THAT LIST OF POTENTIAL LARGE CONCRETE OWNERS, LARGE, YOU KNOW, IMPERVIOUS AREA OWNERS, YOU'D HAVE A, ON THE, ON THE BRAX SIDE, HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH 'EM TO KIND OF GET THEIR SENSE OF LIKE, HEY, HOW MUCH DO YOU HATE FLOODING
WHAT I WOULD TRY TO GO DO, AND WHAT I THINK YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO BY ASKING US TO BE ON THIS, IS TO MAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS, UM, TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
THE SECOND ONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO THINK ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO THINK ABOUT THE PROBABILITY THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO TACKLE THIS IS PREPARED TO TACKLE THIS, UNDERSTANDS WHAT THIS IS.
AND WHILE YOU'VE BEEN EDUCATING US, IT'S TAKEN SEVEN MEETINGS FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THIS.
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND A THING, BUT I'M TRYING
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UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT.
THAT I THINK IS AN ENORMOUS UNDERTAKING TO DO THIS COMMUNITY WORK.
YOU'RE ASKING ALL OF US TO PARTICIPATE IN, BUT ALSO THE GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO BRING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY ALONG BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'D EVER EVEN CONSIDER VOTING IN FAVOR OF IT.
NOT JUST THE METRIC COUNCIL, BUT THE PUBLIC WHEN IT ULTIMATELY GOES BEFORE THEM.
AND SO I, I THINK WE ALL ARE MOTIVATED TO BE SUPPORTIVE GIVEN THIS, YOU KNOW, COMPLEX CHALLENGE YOU PRESENTED US.
IT'S, ONE IS, DOES OUR CONSTITUENCY THINK THAT THEY WOULD, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, BE IN FAVOR OF IT? TWO IS HOW THE HECK DO YOU GET THE COMMUNITY IN FAVOR OF THIS INCREDIBLY COMPLEX TOPIC? SO THAT'S, DID YOU KNOW
AND, AND SO HOW DOES THAT, HOW IS THAT CURRENTLY HURTING OUR COMMUNITY? IS IT KEEPING BUSINESSES AWAY? IS IT, IS IT MAKING THE WATER WE DRINK ACCESSIBLE, SUSCEPTIBLE TO, TO, TO DIFFERENT THINGS? LIKE HOW, WHAT'S THE NEGATIVE IMPACT IT'S HAVING ON ME AS A CONSTITUENT RIGHT NOW? I GUESS HOW DO WE MAKE IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR SOMEBODY TO WANT TO, YES, I'LL PAY A FEE BECAUSE NOT ONLY WILL YOU GET RID OF THIS BAD THING THAT'S HAPPENING TO ME, BUT HERE ARE THE BENEFITS.
I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF I TOLD A BUSINESS, YEAH, YOU GOTTA PAY 119,000, BUT IT'S GONNA GENERATE 200,000 IN NEW BUSINESS, NEW CUSTOMERS TO WHATEVER, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DIGESTIBLE.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DONE ENOUGH TO PAINT THE PICTURE OF WHY THE CURRENT STATUS IS, IS, IS IS INTOLERABLE, UNACCEPTABLE, UNSUSTAINABLE.
UM, WHICH IS WHY WE ULTIMATELY ENDED UP BRINGING THE CAPITAL DISCUSSION IN BECAUSE FOLKS UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE, THE QUANTITY DILEMMA MORE THAN THE QUALITY DILEMMA.
AND SO I, I JUST THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND SORT OF ULTIMATELY WHERE WE NEED TO GET IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE MAKE THE PROBLEM REAL ENOUGH THAT, UH, IT IS THAT A, A SOLUTION IS, IS NEEDED IMMEDIATELY.
AND THE SOLUTION WE'RE LOOKING AT IS BASED ON A USER FEE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO DO WE CHARGE FOR THE FEE AND DOES THAT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THIS PERSON HAS, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
BUT EVEN BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, HOW DO WE PAINT THE PICTURE AS A SERIOUS ENOUGH? AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE MS 14 COMPLIANCE AND IT'S THE LAY PERSON'S NOT GONNA CARE ABOUT THAT.
LAY PERSON'S NOT GONNA CARE THAT YOU HAVE A BACKLOG OF PROJECTS AND THAT THERE'S PIPES BREAKING.
YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO WE MAKE IT PERSONAL ENOUGH FOR FOLKS TO SAY, YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IS SUFFERING RIGHT NOW, AND IF WE DO THIS, YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE WILL BE BETTER.
AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE THAT AS PRACTICAL AND DIGESTIBLE AS POSSIBLE, UH, IS WHERE I THINK WE GOTTA GET.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC HEARINGS DISCUSSIONS, UM, ACROSS THE PARISH.
YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS IN AREAS THAT HAVE FLOODED UNDERSTAND, I THINK, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY EASIER FOR HOMEOWNERS TO MAKE THAT, THAT CALCULATION WHEN THEY'RE HOME OR THEIR NEIGHBOR HAS FLOODED THAN MAYBE IT IS FOR BUSINESS BUSINESS ENTITIES.
UM, SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, I THINK, UNLESS I'M WRONG, BUT I'M SENSING THAT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR COMMUNITY EDUCATION EFFORT, UM, TO, TO BRING PEOPLE ALONG AND HAVE THEM TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
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THAT LED BY THE ADMINISTRATION? IS IT LED OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE, OR DO WE SEND BOTH OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE METRO COUNCIL? UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE, HAVE SENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE METRO COUNCIL BEFORE AND WATCHED THEM, UH, PULL THEM APART AND RECONFIGURED THEM IN WAYS THAT WERE NEVER DISCUSSED, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE.SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY TO HAPPEN TO METRO COUNCIL LEVEL AS WELL.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, OR DO WE WANNA HAVE A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORT OUT OF THIS EFFORT OR DO WE WANT TO SEND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE METRO COUNCIL AND THEN HAVE THE METRO COUNCIL, UM, YOU KNOW, IN COLLABORATION WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAVE A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORT? OR DOES THAT REST SOLELY WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, UM, AND AND YOUR OFFICE TO LEAD THAT EFFORT.
BUT I DO, I DO, I DO SENSE THAT THAT'S KIND OF TO CORY AND ADAM'S, UM, POINT, IT'S REALLY CONSTITUENT, YOU KNOW, CITIZEN, UM, FEEDBACK THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL, UM, HUNGRY FOR AT THIS MOMENT.
AND THAT I, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT IS, UM, CERTAINLY THE, THE NEXT STEP AFTER THIS.
AND I, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE, LIKE YOU SAID, WHETHER IT'S TWO OR JUST SOME, SOME NARROWED DOWN VERSION.
I THINK WE'VE, WE'RE GETTING THERE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE, UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS NOW.
SO I ONCE, ONCE WE CAN KIND OF BRACKET AND SAY, OKAY, MAYBE IT'LL BE BETWEEN HERE AND HERE, THEN THEN POSE THAT MM-HMM.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN PASS THOSE ALONG.
WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER TO GO PUBLIC WITH.
'CAUSE GIVEN A CHOICE, THE PUBLIC WILL ALWAYS CHOOSE THE LOWER NUMBER MM-HMM.
SO WE NEED TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THE RECOMMENDED OR THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE, GO TO THE COUNCIL WITH THAT.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THE JOB DONE.
GO PUBLIC WITH THAT AND EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE WHY WE NEED TO DO IT.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE ONE NUMBER THAT EVERYBODY AGREES ON.
THEY'RE GONNA GO LOWER EVERY TIME.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DECIDE HERE.
I, I WOULD, UH, IN REFLECTING BACK ON THE FIASCO THAT HAPPENED IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, I WOULD SORT OF DOVETAIL WITH WHAT COREY IS SAYING.
YOU HAVE GOT TO SELL THIS AS WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME FOR AN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER.
BECAUSE LAST TIME IT WAS ALMOST, YOU DON'T WANT THE BIG BAD E P A ON YOUR TAIL, SO THEREFORE WE NEED TO DO THIS.
OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE LIKE WE DID WITH THE STORM, WITH THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM PROBLEMS. YOU'VE GOTTA SELL IT.
LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH PERMITS.
WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE AND WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES OR MANY OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT CREATED SOME OF THE FLOODING IN THE PARISH.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, HERE'S WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU.
IF WE CAN IMPROVE OUR FEMA RATING, IT SHOULD COST YOU LESS THAN YOUR INSURANCE.
THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME, WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME, KIND OF TALK WHEN WE GO FORWARD.
NOT JUST, IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THE GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNMENT'S GONNA COME DOWN ON US AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT.
THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS SOLD LAST TIME.
AND PEOPLE TURNED OFF AND THEN WE SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE OF TO VOTE ON IT.
SO THAT OPTION WAS TAKEN AWAY TOO.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF DYNAMICS THAT HAPPENED THE FIRST TIME THROUGH.
AND SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT WOULD WE DO DIFFERENT? AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS KEY TO THIS THING.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO THE NUMBER BY FIGURING OUT WHAT THE VOTERS WOULD TOLERATE, NOT WHAT WE THINK THE NUMBER.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE COULD COME UP WITH A NUMBER.
I, I HAVE A GOOD NUMBER IN MY HEAD, BUT I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD ACCEPT IT.
YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WOULD TOLERATE.
AND THAT CAN, THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY SOMEONE REACHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC,
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NOT BY HAVING JUST COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BUT SOME POLLING AND SOME INFORMATION AND MAYBE THE CHAMBER CAN ASSIST US IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF TOLERANCE THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE THAT COULD SAY, I WOULD BE WILLING IF THIS IS THE, AND THE QUESTION HAS TO BE POSED.
IF WE WERE TELLING YOU WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE EVERY 15 YEARS, ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE BIG MAJOR CANALS WOULD BE, UH, LOOKED AT AND DONE.
WE WOULD HAVE THIS KIND OF MAINTENANCE AND POSE THE QUESTION TO 'EM AND THEN WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS.
I DON'T THINK THIS COMMITTEE CAN COME UP WITH A NUMBER JUST ON ITS OWN ABOUT THAT.
I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S FOLLY.
I WENT TO, I WENT TO GINO'S FOR LUNCH AND I'VE GOT AN ACTION ITEM TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME COSTS TO VARIOUS USERS AT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS.
WE'VE, I'VE GOT AN ACTION ITEM TO LOOK INTO POLLING THE, THE PUBLIC AND SEE HOW THAT WOULD WORK OUT.
SO HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE, AND I'M SORT OF, YOU KNOW, RESPONDING TO WHAT ADAM HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE IS THERE FROM THIS PROPOSAL TO THE LARGE BUSINESSES, TO THE BIG BOX STORES AND WHATEVER THAN WHAT WE DID BACK IN OCTOBER.
THERE'S PROBABLY VERY LITTLE IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT, IF YOU GO ON A IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA, RIGHT.
I'M, I'M TRYING TO RECALL THAT NUMBER WAS LIKE A DOLLAR 32 OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, I HAD A DOLLAR 36 IN MY HEAD.
YEAH, IT COULD, SO IT WAS A DOLLAR 30 ISH.
AND THAT, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE GOT HERE.
NOW THE, THE, RIGHT NOW THE DIFFERENCE IS NOW WE'VE GOT, UM, YOU'VE GOT A MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE AND YOU'VE GOT $200 WORTH OF CAPITAL IN THAT AND THEN THAT'S ALSO IN 2035.
SO YOU'D HAVE SEVERAL YEARS WHERE YOU WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THAT.
AND I WAS JUST, IT IS A DIFFERENT, I GUESS, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT EVERYBODY WAS, UM, HAD IN THEIR MIND WHEN, FROM WAY OR ANOTHER THE, UH, BUT THE, WHAT WOULD BE PROVIDED FOR THAT NUMBER WAS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TOWARD THE WATER QUANTITY SIDE.
ARE YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT THEN, RIGHT?
NO, THAT THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD COMPARISON THOUGH.
I'LL JUST SAY, LOOK, YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE DONE GREAT WORK AND, AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB FACILITATING THIS COMMITTEE, THESE MEETINGS AND, AND PRESENTING US WITH INFORMATION.
THE FEEDBACK THAT'S SORT OF BEING DIRECTED AT YOU, I THINK IS A GOOD INDICATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD ANTICIPATE TO HEAR GOING OUT TO A MUCH BROADER AUDIENCE.
THERE'S, WELL, WAIT, I HAVE QUESTIONS.
WELL WAIT, WHAT ABOUT THIS? YOU KNOW, SO, SO THIS IS A GOOD SORT OF STARTER FOR WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE.
UM, BUT I, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT THAT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE LEVEL OF EFFORT YOU'VE PUT IN HERE.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE NOT PUT IN THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THIS.
SO WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH,
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GOING NEXT,I, I THINK IF, 'CAUSE AGAIN, AT THE SIX AND A HALF MILLION, IT GETS TO THE POINT, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A, A CREDIT SYSTEM IF YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT, AND AND I SAY ONLY TALKING ABOUT SIX AND A HALF MILLION, I STILL, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S STILL, UH, UH, IT, IT, IT IS JUST, IT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT THESE OTHER OPTIONS HERE.
BUT I, I UNDERSTAND TO INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, ENTITIES, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, IT'S STILL A, IT'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
SO THE THOUGHT WAS DO WE ENTERTAIN CREDITS? DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT CREDITS? AND BECAUSE WITH THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE A CREDIT PROGRAM, YOU NEED TO ASSUME THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BILLING UNITS ARE, ARE GOING TO BE REDUCED BY THOSE CREDITS, BUT THAT THE 25 CENTS MAY END UP BEING 30 CENTS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU'VE GOT A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU NEED, ESPECIALLY IF, IF YOU BOND PROJECTS RIGHT, THAT THAT'S WHATEVER THEY ARE, THEY ARE, YOU GOTTA BOND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU GOTTA SPEND IT.
SO, BUT THE NUMERATOR'S THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT YOU GOTTA GET THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WITH LESS BILLING UNITS, WHICH MEANS THE BILLING UNITS HAVE TO GO UP.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE THE, WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT DO WE WANT MAKE THE, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE CREDITS AND WE CAN PRESENT IT? I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE SPREADSHEET WHERE WITH THE CREDITS BUILT IN, RIGHT.
YOU'VE KIND OF MADE SOME, UH, SOME GUESSES ON WHAT WOULD COME OUT, WHO WOULD GET CREDITS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO, SO WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT ABOUT WHERE THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE
SO THAT, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IT, BUT WE'LL RESURRECT WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE GIVEN Y'ALL THAT, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, THE, THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS WITH FOLKS LIKE WITH RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU ASSUME, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE, YOU'RE GONNA DO THE EDUCATION CREDIT, YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT.
THE SCHOOLS DO THE EDUCATION CREDITS, WHAT THAT WOULD, WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT WE, WE'VE GOT THAT IN THE, IN THE SPREADSHEETS.
SO THAT WAS THE PRIOR PLAN, IS THAT THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE ABOUT CREDITS IF Y'ALL WANNA CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT MEETING ABOUT CREDITS, AND THEN WE CAN, WE WILL GET YOU THOSE OTHER NUMBERS AS WELL.
THE, THE PUBLIC EDUCATION COMPONENT IS THE, THE KEY TO THIS WHOLE THING, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAJOR EFFORT IN THIS.
I WOULD ONLY JUST ASK THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, AND I, I KNOW THE, THE DESIRE IS TO SEE IT MOVE AT LEAST UP TO THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE.
BUT AT THIS POINT, ALL THAT THIS BODY HAS REALLY TALKED ABOUT IS COMPLIANCE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE PAGES KIND OF TOWARD THE END OR AT THE, FROM THE BEGINNING THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT PROBABLY TO MAKE SURE THAT COMPLIANCE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE 10, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO KINDA KEEP IT IN THE, ONE OF THE OPTIONS TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IS COMPLIANCE LEVEL SERVICE PLUS CAPITAL, CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THE SLIDE 15 AND 16 SLIDES, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CONSISTENCY OF DESIGN AND COMMUNICATION THAT WE'RE, WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT PROBABLY TO KEEP THE SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR OPTION FULLY AND CLEARLY EXPLAINED.
SLIDE 10 DOESN'T SAY WHERE THAT MONEY GETS ALLOCATED OVER THE NINE AND A HALF MILLION.
I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE TO MAKE SURE WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO PIPES AND INLETS
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WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE.SO I THINK THAT'S USEFUL INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE IS ON EACH OF THESE CHARTS AS WELL WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BRING THAT BACK SO WE CAN SEE IT JUST ALL FULL, STRAIGHT UP AND CLEAR.
LIKE THAT'S WHERE THE SIX AND A HALF MILLION GOES.
THAT'S A GOOD, I, AS I RECALL, THERE'S BEEN TWO RECOMMENDATIONS MADE OUT OF THE COMMITTEE.
THE FIRST ONE IS THAT WE WOULD BE AT THAT COMPLIANCE PIECE ONLY AT THE SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS WE AGREED UPON THE OPTION TWO, WHICH IS THE TIERED RESIDENTIAL UP TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY CALCULATED FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NON-RESIDENTIAL AND NON RURAL, I THINK IS THE WHAT IT WAS.
I THINK THAT THAT'S THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SO FAR.
THE THIRD WAS TO TAKE OFF THE TABLE PROPERTY TAX.
WE WERE GONNA, WE GOT RID OF THAT ONE.
NO, ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, ADAM, IN THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE, THE, THE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND INFORMATION, I, I WOULD, UM, AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, AS A PERSON WHO STANDS IN FRONT OF A PODIUM AND ASK THE ANSWER QUESTION, UM, I, I TYPICALLY DEFER TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE CLOSER TO THE PROBLEM.
UM, WE, WE'VE HAD SEVEN THREE HOUR MEETINGS AND I WOULD IMAGINE WE STILL KNOW 10% OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, SO I'M, I'M GONNA LEAN ON WHAT YOU WERE RECOMMENDING.
UM, UM, BUT, BUT, BUT AS WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ENGAGEMENT, I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU AND YOUR STAFF TO TRY AND MAYBE CAPTURE THAT ON ONE PAGE TO, TO BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY IT'S A BIG IMPORTANT PROBLEM, UH, CAN TALK ABOUT THE MS 14, BUT WE, WE THINK WE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GONNA RESONATE WITH THE PUBLIC.
UM, UM, AND THEN JUST WALK THROUGH THAT IN TERMS OF THIS IS WHAT'S NEEDED TO, TO, TO FIX THE PROBLEM, WHERE THE FUNDING COMES FROM.
WELL, LET'S LOOK AT WHO'S HAVING THE BIGGEST IMPACT.
AND THAT'S HOW WE GET TO THE IMPERVIOUS.
AND ULTIMATELY THIS IS THE, THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDED OR WHATEVER AMOUNT THAT IS.
SO JUST SOME FOUR OR FIVE STEPS OF, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND SUMMARIZE ALL OF THIS SO THAT IT'S DIGESTIBLE ENOUGH FOR SOMEBODY WALKING OFF THE STREET TO SAY, OH, I'M GETTING ASSESSED WITH FEE.
WHY IS THAT? IS THIS SOMETHING I COULD EASILY BUY INTO THIS ANOTHER, UH, UH, UH, FEE? YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE OTHER THING FROM A, FROM A TAXPAYER PERSPECTIVE IS, IS THERE GONNA BE A SCOREBOARD OR, OR, OR SOMETHING TO, FOR US TO, TO, TO FOLLOW ALONG? YOU KNOW, THEY SAID WHEN THEY PASS THIS FEE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CLEAN OUT THIS MANY DITCHES A YEAR IF THEY CLEAN OUT THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST TO PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE AS A COMMITTEE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMENDED, THIS IS WHAT WE SAID IT WAS GOING TO DO, AND THEN TRACKING THAT TO SAY, SEE, WE TOLD YOU IT WOULD DO THAT, OR HERE'S THE REASON IT DIDN'T DO THAT, ALTHOUGH WE TOLD YOU IT WOULD DO THAT.
THESE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THAT I, I THINK WE GOTTA KIND OF GET TO THAT PLACE.
BUT I THINK A ONE PAGER THAT, THAT TRIES AND CAPTURES AS MUCH AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND, AND WHY, UH, A FEE IS, IS NECESSARY.
UH, AND, AND I GUESS, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD WANT TO MENTION IS THAT I ALWAYS APPRECIATED THE COMPLIANCE LEVEL, THE SIX AND A HALF AS AS WHAT WE WOULD DO FOR, FOR THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS UNTIL WE, UH, UNTIL WE HAD OUR FEE IN PLACE.
I, I I, I NEVER INTENDED FOR THE 6.5 FEE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE CHANGE IT SORT OF THING.
I STILL THOUGHT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON WHAT THE ULTIMATE, UH, FEE WOULD BE, WHETHER IT'S COMPLIANCE, UH, MINIMUM OR RECOMMENDED.
AND, AND, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I, I WAS NOT AT THE PRESS CLUB WHEN THE MAYOR MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE 6.5 I, I WOULD WANT US TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION SET THERE WAS THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA BE JUST 6.5 AND IF WE COME BACK TOMORROW AND SAY, OH, BY THE WAY IT'S 29, HOW DOES
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THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO EVERYTHING? UM, SO LET'S, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL SINGING FROM THE SAME SHEET OF PAPER.I WAS, I WAS SURPRISED THAT THAT MAY HAVE SHARED THAT INFORMATION TO THE EXTENT WE'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS IT, BUT I KNOW SOME OF IT HAD TO DO WITH THE COMMITMENTS FROM THE BUDGET AND SORT OF THING LIKE THAT, WHICH PUBLIC INFORMATION.
BUT, UH, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD ON THAT MESSAGE, THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT.
WE'RE NOT THROWING THE PUBLIC ALOOF.
WELL, THANK Y'ALL FOR, FOR BEING FLEXIBLE AND, AND BEING HERE TODAY.
I THINK THERE WAS A, UH, ANOTHER MEETING ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON THAT COULDN'T BE HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT THAT, AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.
SO IT JUST, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO CHANGE IT.
HOPEFULLY THE, UM, OUR NORMAL THURSDAY DAY, THAT WAS A, A ONE-OFF MEETING.
SO HOPEFULLY OUR, OUR NORMAL THURSDAY IS, UM, IS ON SCHEDULE.
MS UH, MS. LAMBERT JUST WALKED IN.
SHE PROBABLY WANTS TO SAY WHY, WHY DON'T YOU COME? WHY DON'T YOU COME SAY SOMETHING? I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT,
I JUST, I WAS GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
CAN I JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, UM, ON THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNER CALCULATIONS IS, I THINK WE ASKED THIS IN THE PRIOR MEETING TOO, BUT ARE THERE EXAMPLES, JUST LIKE WE DID FOR RESIDENTIAL TO CREATE TIERS? ARE THERE EXAMPLES OF SOME MAXIMUM CAP ON ANY PROPERTY THAT IT DOESN'T GO ABOVE OR, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY DOESN'T GO ABOVE A CERTAIN NUMBER IN ANY OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ONE OF THESE FEES? I'LL, I'LL ASK THAT.
SO IT, IT ALSO SOLVES ONE OF THESE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS IS WE DON'T HAVE TO LOWER THE NUMBER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS PALATABLE AND, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATION.
AND, AND THEN HOW MUCH DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR COLLECTIONS? 'CAUSE IT'LL AFFECT WHAT YOU CAN BRING IN ON THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE OR WHAT YOU CAN AFFECT TO BRING INTO YOUR COMPLIANCE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE UNDERSTANDING ONE, IF THAT EXISTS IN OTHER CITIES FOR INCREDIBLY LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, OR INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL USERS, YOU KNOW, JUST AS WE DID ON RESIDENTIAL TIERS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PIECE THAT MIGHT GIVE US SOME WAY TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MANAGE THESE REALLY HIGH END COSTS.
ADAM, I THINK THE ISSUE IS FOR THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE TODAY GOING FORWARD, IT IS WHAT IT IS GOING FORWARD.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER GONNA BE ANOTHER MALL IN LOUISIANA, BUT THERE MAY BE A COSTCO KIND OF OUT, BUT GOING FORWARD, PEOPLE THAT ARE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THEIR CONSIDERATION OF IMPERVIOUS VERSUS NOT IMPERVIOUS, BUT HAVING SOMETHING APPLY FOR EVERYBODY THAT PLAYING UNDER OLD RULES.
AND IN SOME PLACES THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO.
AND A LOT OF, I, I KNOW A LOT OF, UH, AND I'LL LET BLACK AND VEATCH SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEEN CHALLENGED OVER THE YEARS, WHAT'S STOOD UP TO THE CHALLENGES OVER THE YEARS.
SO I'LL, I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THE, THAT THAT'S WHERE WE, WE, WE NEED THOSE FOLKS.
ADAM, I MISSED THE LAST MEETING, UM, AND READ HERE ON MY BEHALF, ON OUR BEHALF, UH, MEETING BEFORE THAT, I REMEMBER LARRY ASKING LEGAL, WHOEVER
SO ESSENTIALLY THOUGH, THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED BEFORE THE METRO COUNCIL, UM, IS FLAWED.
UH, IT, IT WAS ARRANGED AND WRITTEN IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BOTH THE PUBLIC SERVICE LAW AND THE NEW, UH, RES, UM, SORRY, REVISED STATUTE THAT'S BEEN, UM,
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AMENDED THEN.AND SO, UH, AT THIS POINT, THE DECISION WOULD BE UP TO THE METRO COUNCIL AND OF COURSE UP TO, UM, THE DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY PRESENT IT TO THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT, UH, RESOLUTION IS REVISED.
AND WE USE THE PUBLIC SERVICE LAW AS WE'VE DONE WITH A BRASCO, WHICH WOULD NOT REQUIRE A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE.
AND THEN THE METRO COUNCIL WOULD SET THE FEE IF THERE WAS A FEE, OR, UH, IF THAT RESOLUTION WOULD BE DELETED AND THE METRO COUNCIL WOULD, UH, SEND IT TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE, AND THEN YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE STEPS TO, TO PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S UP TO THE METRO.
DOES THAT ANSWER? AND, AND I, I THINK, AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE, BUT I, I THINK THE WAY THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN LEANING LATELY IS THAT, IS WITH THE INTENT THAT IT WOULD BE VOTED ON BY, BY THE PEOPLE.
IT, THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION AT THE, WHEN YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO BE HERE, THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION AT, AT THE LAST MEETING.
IT IT DOES NOT, NO, NO, BUT I, NO, BUT I GUESS THE, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING BACK TO WHAT WE NEED PUBLIC INPUT, RIGHT? AND THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE A, A CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
I THINK ED BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES LAST YEAR WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IS, HEY, THIS IS THE FEE AND THEN THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT IT.
AND A LOT OF THE HEARTBURN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WAS THAT IT WAS NOT BEING VOTED ON AS, AS OF, I, I WILL CONFIRM THAT, MAKE SURE THAT THE CHAMBERS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT AT, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.