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SO I'M, WE'RE GONNA GO LIVE, BUT
[Police Chief Candidate Review Meeting on October 20, 2023.]
YOU CAN SIT THERE, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU FIVE IF THAT'S OKAY.GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO, UH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE SELECTION COMMITTEE MEETING.
UH, I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, I GUESS MY ASHLEY TODAY WOULD BE MS. CHAMBERS.
MS. CHAMBERS, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YOU CAN.
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT LOOKS AS IF WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
I LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING, UH, TO ORDER.
UH, THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS ADOPT THE AMENDMENT TO THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA.
THE AGENDA THAT WAS POSTED ONLINE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, AND WE NEED TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA, AND THE ADOPTION OF THIS NEEDS TO BE UNANIMOUS.
SO, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA? SO MOVED AND SECONDED.
ANY OBJECTIONS? THE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN ADOPTED.
UH, CHAIRMAN, I WOULD JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS.
THE AMENDMENT IS THE REMOVAL OF, I'M SORRY.
SECRETARY CHAMBERS KNOWS WHAT IS THE REMOVAL OF? MAKE SURE WE SAY IT ON THE MIC.
IT IS THE REMOVAL TO DISCUSS THE ITEMS REGARDING THE PERSONNEL RECORDS OF THE CANDIDATES.
MOTION BY MS. VICTORIA AND SECONDED BY MS. CORWELL.
ANY OBJECTIONS? MOTION CARRIES.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ALL WERE, UH, EMAILED, UH, THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.
IS THERE ANYONE IN HERE WHO NEEDS TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? ANYONE NEEDING TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? SO MOVED BY MS. MATTHEWS, SECONDED BY THE REVEREND.
ANY OBJECTIONS? THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
DISCUSSION OF QUESTIONS TO CANDIDATES.
NOW WE HAVE OVER, UH, 60 QUESTIONS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN COMPILED.
UH, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. BIDWELL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US THE INFORMATION YOU SHARED WITH ME RELATIVE TO QUESTIONS AND WHO AND HOW WE NEED TO ASK AND WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IN TERMS OF HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT? AND LEMME STATE FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T WANT TO BE HERE ALL NIGHT.
IT'S GOOD FRIDAY LIVE AFTER FIVE.
IT'S GETTING READY TO START, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME SERIOUS BUSINESS WE ARE ATTENDING TO.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT, MS. AL? YES, PLEASE.
SO, UH, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS SHARING ALL QUESTIONS WITH THE, UM, WITH THE CANDIDATES IN ADVANCE.
SO NOBODY HAD AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OVER THE OTHERS.
AFTER ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WITH THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS WE DO NOT, IN FACT HAVE TO USE THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS FOR EACH CANDIDATE.
HOWEVER, WHAT WAS SUGGESTED IS WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A LIST OF PRE-APPROVED QUESTIONS UNDER SPECIFIC CATEGORIES THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, GO OVER.
AND WE COULD SWITCH AND SWAP, PICK OUT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, AND WE CAN SWITCH IT UP EVERY DAY THAT WE HAVE CANDIDATE INTERVIEWS.
FOR INSTANCE, IF, UM, THIS COMMITTEE WERE INTERESTED IN ASKING QUESTIONS AROUND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR DEPLOYMENT STRATEGIES, WE COULD HAVE A LIST OF FIVE, SIX, HOWEVER MANY PRE-APPROVED QUESTIONS UNDER EACH, EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
AND EACH TIME WE DID A ROUND OF INTERVIEWS, WE COULD PICK FROM THAT PRESELECTED LIST OR PRE-APPROVED LIST, RATHER.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE'VE JUST HEARD, MR. CHAIRMAN? I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.
WALT GREEN, GIVEN THAT THE PEOPLE HE SAID ON HERE LAST TIME, WHEN PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO LISTEN TO THE QUESTIONS ONLINE AND THE CANDIDATES WERE ABLE TO DO IT, LISTEN TO THE QUESTIONS.
IT ALMOST, IT DOES CREATE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO KNOW THE EXACT SCRIPTED QUESTIONS THAT COME OUT FOR THE EARLIER CANDIDATES.
SO I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO USE A POLL TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THE MOST OUT OF THE CANDIDATES.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA DECIDE WHICH QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING THE CANDIDATES.
LIKE I THINK WE'RE GONNA PICK FROM THE, THE CANDIDATE.
WE'RE GONNA PICK FROM THE, THE, THE TOPIC OF QUESTIONS.
AND YOU ASK WHICHEVER ONE YOU CHOOSE.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA APPROVE ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE SUBMITTED UNDER EACH CATEGORY, AND THEN EACH OF US CAN ASK WHICHEVER QUESTION WE CHOOSE.
WE JUST HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS UNDER THE CATEGORIES, CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE CORRECT.
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SO WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON WHICH CATEGORIES WE WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS UNDER.AND THERE'LL BE A GROUP OF IONS UNDER EACH CATEGORY.
AND THEN WE ALL CAN CHOOSE WHICH QUESTIONS WE WANT TO ASK UNDER EACH CATEGORY AS LONG AS WE ASK EACH CANDIDATE A QUESTION UNDER THAT PARTICULAR CATEGORY, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND, UH, ONE OF YOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAS ALREADY DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THAT LEGWORK BY BREAKING UP HIS PROPOSED QUESTIONS INTO A NUMBER OF CATEGORIES.
SO WHAT, UH, WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON AS WE SPEAK, BECAUSE WE DID ALLOW, UM, QUESTION SUBMISSION UP UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF COMBING THROUGH THE LIST OF 50, 60 PLUS QUESTIONS, UM, DROPPING THEM INTO BUCKETS, AND WE WILL BE SENDING THOSE TO THE COMMITTEE FOR APPROVAL.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO AGAIN, THE PROCESS IS THEY'RE GONNA PUT, UH, THE QUESTIONS INTO THE CATEGORY BUCKETS, AND THEY'RE GONNA SEND THAT TO US BY WHEN? UH, I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU THIS EVENING.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IT TO US THIS EVENING.
UH, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHARE THOSE QUESTIONS WITH THE CANDIDATES.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHARE THOSE QUESTIONS WITH THE CANDIDATES, BUT WE ARE GOING TO ASK EACH CANDIDATE QUESTIONS FROM, UH, THE BUCKET OF QUESTIONS WE ARE GIVEN BASED ON THE, THE, THE CATEGORIES CORRECT.
WAS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYONE? ALRIGHT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CANDIDATES.
IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR CANDIDATE WE NEED TO DISCUSS IN TERMS OF NOT BEING ABLE TO RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW? ANY CANDIDATE? WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY OF.
NOW LET ME STATE FOR THE RECORD, UH, WITH EACH OF THE CANDIDATES THAT EITHER OF YOU MAY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THOSE CANDIDATES.
AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE CANDIDATES.
AND IF THERE IS A MOTION TO EXCLUDE AN INDIVIDUAL FROM RECEIVING AN INTERVIEW AND A SECOND TO SUPPORT THAT MOTION, THEN WE'RE GONNA VOTE.
IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, WE WON'T NEED TO VOTE.
IF THERE ARE OBJECTIONS, WE'LL VOTE BY SHOW OF HANDS.
UH, THE MAJORITY WOULD BE FOUR OUTTA SEVEN.
AND IF FOUR VOTE TO DENY AN INTERVIEW, THEN THAT PERSON WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO INTERVIEW.
IF FOUR VOTE TO GIVE THE PERSON AN INTERVIEW, THEN WE'LL GIVE THE PERSON AN INTERVIEW.
NOW, I DO WANT TO EXPLAIN THIS PROCESS FOR ALL OF YOU, UH, AT HOME, WHO WILL WATCH.
AND I THINK EVERYONE HERE UNDERSTANDS IF THERE'S A MOTION TO DENY A CANDIDATE AN INTERVIEW AND IT DOESN'T RECEIVE FOUR VOTES, THAT CANDIDATE GETS AN INTERVIEW, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MOTION TO GIVE THEM ONE.
IF IT, THE MOTION IS TO DENY AND IT FAILS, THEY GET AN INTERVIEW.
IF THERE IS A MOTION, UH, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A MOTION.
'CAUSE IT'S ASSUMED THAT EVERYONE ALREADY IS GONNA GET AN INTERVIEW IF THEIR NAME IS ON THE LIST.
SO IF YOU MAKE AN MOTION, THE MOTION SHOULD BE TO DENY A CANDIDATE AN INTERVIEW IF THAT'S THE CASE.
ALL RIGHT, MR. COLLINS? AYE, MR. MAYOR
I, I, I WASN'T TRYING TO STEP ON FOLKS' TOES AND OUTLINING THOSE QUESTIONS IN THAT WAY.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE HELPFUL.
SO I, I HOPE I DIDN'T STEP ON ANYBODY'S WITH THAT.
UH, THE SECOND, UM, THING IS, UM, MR. MAYOR PROMAN.
I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, HOW THE PROCESS WOULD WORK WITH THIS, BECAUSE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INTERNAL GUYS, THEY'RE GONNA SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THEIR IA FILES.
SO I'M WONDERING, SHOULD WE MAYBE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? FIRST TALKING ABOUT QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF TALKING ABOUT TODAY? YEAH, ABOUT THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES.
CAN, YEAH, THERE IS, THERE ARE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT CANDIDATES AND ISSUES IN THEIR PERSONNEL FILE.
WE WILL NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IS THERE ANY, ANY, ANYONE ELSE WITH ANY CONCERNS ABOUT ANY CANDIDATE, MS. MATTHEWS? I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SAME, SAME CONCERNS ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.
SORRY, I FIGURED I'D SAY THIS BEFORE.
IF WE DO MOVE IN, JUST TO BRING US BACK TO QUESTIONS REAL QUICK.
SO I KNOW ON TUESDAY I HAD THROWN OUT THE IDEA OF A QUESTIONNAIRE.
SINCE WE'RE DOING THIS SORT OF BUCKETS IDEA, WOULD THAT LIMIT USING THAT? BECAUSE LIKE, WOULD WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT? BECAUSE I THINK FOR SOME OF THEM, LIKE FOR A FEW OF MINE, I THOUGHT YOU COULD HAVE IT IN SORT OF A CHOOSE YOUR TOPIC FORMAT.
LIKE WHAT ARE, UH, PREFERRED ATTRIBUTES OF A CHIEF THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY COULD KIND OF FILL IN AND MAKE EASY? OR WOULD THAT LIKE, REQUIRE ANOTHER MEETING TO APPROVE THAT AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO SEND IT OUT, THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, FROM WHERE I SIT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE ANOTHER MEETING, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE US TO HAVE IT TO, TO VOTE ON.
SO HAVE YOU DEVELOPED ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS PRIOR TO FOR US TO LOOK AT
UH, ANYONE ELSE? AND IF ANY OF THIS INFORMATION COMES UP IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE CAN REVISIT IT AT, AT MEETING.
IS THERE A MOTION TO GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? SO MOVED.
ANY OBJECTIONS? WE'LL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION UNTIL FURTHER KNOWS.
WE'RE GONNA GO IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM RIGHT OVER HERE TO THE LEFT, IF THAT'S OKAY.
ANYBODY WANNA ORDER
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TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.AND STATE FOR THE RECORD? YES.
THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION OF ANY CANDIDATE DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, BECAUSE WE WERE INFORMED BY THE ATTORNEYS, WE CANNOT DISCUSS ANY OF THE CANDIDATES IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITHOUT THEM, UH, WITHOUT THEM FIRST RECEIVING 24 HOUR NOTICE AND THEN WAIVING, UH, THE DISCUSSION SUCH THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IN THE PUBLIC OR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO WE'VE NOT HAD ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR CANDIDATE.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NOW IS VOTE ON CANDIDATES.
WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW FIRST.
THE FIRST CANDIDATES WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER BY A SHOW OF HANDS.
DOES EVERYONE AGREE, DARREN? I MAY SHOULD RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU AGREE ON DARREN.
DID DARREN, I MAY GET FOUR VOTES AGAIN IF HANDS FOR DARREN.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO THE, AS ALTERNATES? WE DON'T GET A VOTE AT THIS MOMENT, RIGHT? NOT AT THIS MOMENT OR ONLY ONE OF US WOULD.
YEAH, HE'S AN ALTERNATE WHO'S WHO ARE ALTERNATES.
SO SIX OF US ARE HERE WHO ARE NOT ALTERNATES.
SO THERE MEANS WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM 'CAUSE IT'S, WE ONLY NEED FOUR.
RAISE THE HAND FOR WHO? WHO'S THE ALTERNATE? THREE.
SO WE HAVE, UH, DONE SOME FURTHER RESEARCH ON THAT.
UM, AND I THINK WE'RE WAITING ON A RESPONSE FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ABOUT IT.
BUT OUR, WHAT OUR OFFICE, UM, HAS DRAWN FROM THE LAW, THIS IS OPEN MEETINGS LAW, UM, IS THAT PROXY VOTING IS NOT ALLOWED MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT ALTERNATES ARE DOING.
UM, AND SO IF YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATE SITTING IN FOR WHO WOULD BE A REGULAR MEMBER? MEMBER, THEN THEY SHOULD ONLY BE SITTING IN IF THAT, IF THAT REGULAR MEMBER HAS BEEN REMOVED OR WITHDRAWN PERMANENTLY.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE LAW OF THE STATE OF LOUISIANA DOES NOT ALLOW PROXY VOTING.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, EVERYBODY, NO ONE'S AN ALTERNATE.
EVERYBODY'S ACTUAL ON THE COMMITTEE IF THEY'VE BEEN CONSTITUTED, I DON'T KNOW IF IF EVERYBODY WHO'S SITTING HERE TODAY OR IS A REGULAR WAS ORIGINALLY APPOINTED.
EVERYONE WHO WAS SITTING HERE TODAY WAS ORIGINALLY APPOINTED TO THE POLICE CHIEF REVIEW COMMITTEE.
BUT THREE WERE IDENTIFIED AS ALTERNATES.
RIGHT? AND SO THOSE ALTERNATES CAN SIT IN TO VOTE COURT.
WE DO HAVE THE OPTION OF CREE JUST ASSUMING ALL INDIVIDUALS AS VOTING MEMBERS VERSUS HAVING THEM SERVE AS ALTS, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.
SO THE, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THAT THE MAYOR HAS.
Y'ALL WOULD NOT BE, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE THE ONES TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
UH, SINCE THE MAYOR'S THE ONE THAT CONSTITUTED THE COMMITTEE.
UM, SO ONE, ONE OPTION IS TO, NUMBER ONE IS NOT TO HAVE AN, NOT TO HAVE ALTERNATES AT ALL, RIGHT? THE OTHER OPTION IS TO GO WITH EVERYBODY, REGULAR SITTING AND ALTERNATES BE CONSIDERED MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE, WHICH WOULD BE MAKE, I GUESS BE 10.
I THINK THAT'S THE PREFERENCE OF OUR, OF THE ADMINISTRATION OKAY.
BUT THAT MEANS THAT CHAIN IS OUR QUORUM IS SIX.
IS EVERYBODY CLEAR? ANYBODY ANY QUESTIONS? SO THERE ARE NINE MEMBERS OF THE 10.
SIX VOTES IT TAKES FOR ANYTHING TO PASS.
IS EVERYBODY WITH ME? SO WHEN WE VOTE ON THESE CANDIDATES, WE'RE VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE CANDIDATE SHOULD RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW TODAY.
WE'RE NOT STATING THE REASONS WHY, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, WHETHER OR NOT THEY RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
AND I'M GOING IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE FIRST SEVEN CANDIDATES WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW ON, UH, TUESDAY, MARCH 23RD, EXCUSE ME.
IS THAT CORRECT? MONDAY, OCTOBER 23RD, RIGHT? MONDAY.
ALL RIGHT, SO HERE WE GO AGAIN.
DARREN AMED BY A SHOW OF HANDS.
DARREN AMED DOES NOT GET AN INTERVIEW.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE DOESN'T GET AN INTERVIEW AT ALL.
IT MEANS HE'S NOT ONE OF OUR FIRST SENATOR.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN? I'D VOTE IF WE'RE NOT GONNA INTERVIEW HIM, UH, INITIALLY AS WE GO OFF.
WE DON'T, THEY DON'T GET AN INTERVIEW.
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HERE TO MAKE A COMMENT, A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE COMMENTS THAT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO INTERVIEW THEM INITIALLY, THAT THEY DON'T RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW AT ALL? ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CANDIDATES.ALRIGHT, BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
MR. GREEN, IS THAT A MOTION? YES, SIR.
THERE'S BEEN MOTION BY MR. GREEN, SECONDED BY PASTOR GIBSON.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO, IF WE DON'T INTERVIEW FIRST? THEY DON'T RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW AT ALL? NO OBJECTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON A CANDIDATE? DARREN AHMED.
NO ONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON A CANDIDATE.
WE'RE NOW BACK TO, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE.
THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION, UH, TO, TO, WE VOTED ON DARREN AHMED TO RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
DAN, I MAY ONLY RECEIVE FOUR VOTES.
HE WILL NOT RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT? EVERYBODY CLEAR? ALL RIGHT.
BY SHOW OF HANDS, DO WE INTERVIEW T BALLARD? HANDS FOR T BALLOT.
ALRIGHT, T BALLOT GETS AN INTERVIEW.
DANTE T BALL NEEDS TO BE NOTIFIED.
THAT IS T BALLARD AND TURNER COUNTY.
IS ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? MS. MCINTYRE? YOU WANNA SPEAK ON T BALLOT? OKAY.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO IS HERE.
ALRIGHT, UH, T BALLOT WILL RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON WILLIAM? NOW WE GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE VOTING ON WILLIAM.
ANYONE FOR WILLIAM? ALL RIGHT.
WILLIAM DOES NOT RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? I'M SORRY.
IS ANYONE HERE WISH YOU TO SPEAK ON MYRON DANIELS? ALL WE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE IS ANYONE, UH, THIS IS BY SHOW OF HANDS, IS MYRON DANIEL RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
MYRON DANIELS RECEIVES AN INTERVIEW.
1, 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 UNANIMOUS ON MYRON DANIELS.
ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ALVIN DAVIS? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ALVIN DAVIS? NOW BACK TO THE CANDIDATES.
WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON, I MEAN COMMITTEE.
WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON ALVIN DAVIS.
BY SHOW OF HANDS, ALVIN DAVIS BY SHOW OF HANDS, BY SHOW OF HANDS.
ALVIN DAVIS DOES NOT RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON SHARON DOUGLAS? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON SHARON DOUGLAS? WE'RE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE BY SHOW OF HANDS.
SHARON DOUGLAS WILL RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
SO NOW WE HAVE SO FAR RECEIVING AN INTERVIEW T BALL, MYRON DANIELS.
WHO'S NEXT? VICE CHAIRMAN? UH, THOMAS GLOVER.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THOMAS GLOVER? BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
SHOW OF HANDS FOR THOMAS GLOVER.
SHOW OF HANDS FOR THOMAS GLOVER.
WHAT DO YOU, MS. MATTHEWS, YOU'RE LOOK CONFUSED.
THOMAS GLOVER DOES NOT RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW.
IT LOOKED LIKE WE MADE ANOTHER MISTAKE.
BECAUSE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS NOT LISTED SPECIFICALLY ON THE AGENDA, THE ELIMINATION OF CANDIDATES.
YOU ONLY HAVE DISCUSSION OF QUESTIONS TO CANDIDATES.
ACTION ITEMS IS NOT OKAY SPECIFIED.
SO BECAUSE IT'S NOT SPECIFIED, IT COULD BE DEEMED AS, UH, LACK OF NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THE VOTES ON ELIMINATING CANDIDATES.
UM, OUR OFFICE IS ADVISING THAT IT NOT MOVE FORWARD TODAY.
SO WE BASICALLY NEED TO INTERVIEW EVERYBODY.
BUT, BUT THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING.
YEAH, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
AND IT'S, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC.
WE ACTUALLY SAID WE WERE GONNA CHOOSE QUESTIONS.
WE DIDN'T SAY WE WERE GONNA CHOOSE CANDIDATES.
RIGHT? NO, WE DID SAY WE WERE GONNA ELIMINATE.
WE DID, WE DID SAY THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE DID SAY TO THE PUBLIC WE WERE GOING TO REVIEW THE CANDIDATES AND THEN, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
CAN WE DECIDE TODAY ON WHAT CANDIDATES WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW FIRST ON MONDAY? I WOULD WHO YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW FIRST WITHOUT ELIMINATION, CORRECT? I THINK, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
CAN WE, WE ASKED IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T INTERVIEW 'EM ALL MONDAY.
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RIGHT.SO, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR INTERVIEWS ON MONDAY CORRECT.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE LOVER WILL NOT BE RECEIVING AN INTERVIEW ON MONDAY.
SO FOR THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE NOT ELIMINATED ANY CANDIDATE FOR INTERVIEWS RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE JUST SIMPLY SELECTING WHO WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW ON MONDAY.
AND WE NEED TO, IS EVERYBODY CLEAR? AND ON MONDAY, WE WILL ENSURE THAT THERE IS A, SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT CLEARLY STATES WHAT WE WILL BE DOING AND THE DECISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE ON INCLUDING POTENTIALLY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.
WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND TAKE ACTION ON ELIMINATING CANDIDATES.
AND IF THERE'S SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO COME AND SUPPORT A CANDIDATE MM-HMM.
UM, AS LONG AS, BUT ON MONDAY MM-HMM.
AND JUST MAKE SURE THE AGENDA REFLECTS WHATEVER ACTION YOU WANT YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE ON MONDAY.
JUST PUT IT SPECIFICALLY ON THE AGENDA.
SO MONDAY WE'RE INTERVIEWING AND ELIMINATING C I JUST NEED SOME CLARITY ON THAT.
ON MONDAY, WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW THE CANDIDATES WE CHOOSE TODAY, THE SEVEN CANDIDATES WE CHOOSE TODAY.
AND THEN, UH, EITHER BEFORE THOSE INTERVIEWS BEGIN MM-HMM.
THE COMMITTEE WILL DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING, BEFORE INTERVIEWS, OR AT THE END, AFTER INTERVIEWS, WE WILL DECIDE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? GO AHEAD.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE MR. GREEN MADE THE MOTION THAT OUR VOTES ON THE CANDIDATES WOULD BE ELIMINATING THEM FOR THE PROCESS FOR THE SAKE OF PROCEDURE.
DO WE NEED TO SAY THAT OUR VOTES NOW TO NOT GIVE SOMEONE A VOTE A AN INTERVIEW ON MONDAY? OR ARE WE, IS THAT IMPLIED? WE DO NOT, BECAUSE THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA AS AN ACTION ITEM.
AM I CORRECT, COURTNEY? UH, YES.
AS AN ACTION ITEM, IF YOU WANT TO BE PROPHYLACTIC, THEN YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RESCIND THE VOTE.
MOTION TO RESCIND THE VOTES THAT ARE ALREADY MADE TO ELIMINATE CANDIDATES BY THE CHAIR.
ALL VOTES HAVE BEEN RESCINDED TO ELIMINATE CANDIDATES, BUT WE ARE DECIDING ON WHO WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW ON MONDAY THUS FAR.
T BALLARD, MARRON DANIELS, SHARON DOUGLAS WILL BE INTERVIEWED ON MONDAY.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON BARDON GUILLORY RECEIVING AN INTERVIEW ON MONDAY? BACK TO THE COMMITTEE BAR GUILLORY FOR MONDAY.
DOES NOT RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW MONDAY? KAY HINES.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON KEVIN HINES RECEIVING AN INTERVIEW ON MONDAY? WE'RE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
KEVIN HINES WILL BE INTERVIEWED ON MONDAY.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON T HENDERSON RECEIVING AN INTERVIEW ON MONDAY? BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
VOTE FOR T HENDERSON ON MONDAY.
ANYONE ELSE? T HENDERSON WILL NOT BE RECEIVING AN INTERVIEW ON MONDAY.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON CLIFTON IVY? WE'RE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
VOTE FOR CLIFTON IVY TO RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW ON MONDAY.
HE WILL NOT BE INTERVIEWED ON MONDAY.
ANYONE SPEAKING ON CONRAD? JOAQUIN, WE NOW GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
ANYONE WISHING CONRAD WILL NOT RECEIVING IT TO BE ON MONDAY? UH, KRS.
CONAL, KIRSCH, CONAL KI ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? WE GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
WILL NOT RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW ON MONDAY.
ANYONE SPEAK ON ANDREW MALVO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
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ANDREW MALVO.ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON MICHAEL MANNING? BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
WE'LL RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW ON MONDAY.
HOW MANY INTERVIEWS IS THAT? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
ANYONE WISHING MICHAEL MCCARLEY? WE GO BACK TO THE, THE COMMITTEE.
MICHAEL MCCARLEY AT THIS POINT COMMITTEE, I WANT TO ASK, DO WE WANT TO TAKE FIVE TO JUST BEGIN WITH? OR DO WE WANT TO TRY AND DO SEVEN? UH, LET'S, LET'S TRY TO DO SEVEN.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
OH, WHY DON'T WE DO SIX THAT NIGHT, SIR? YES.
IF THE IDEA ON MONDAY IS ALSO TO ELIMINATE CANDIDATES, WOULD FIVE BE A GOOD IDEA? SO THEN THAT WAY IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, SINCE MANY OF THESE ARE ALSO INTERNAL MM-HMM.
SO KNOWING THAT ON MONDAY WE'LL BE VOTING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT CANDIDATES WILL GET INTERVIEWS AT ALL, THAT WOULD REDUCE THE LIST DOWN.
SO WE WOULDN'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE INITIAL SEVEN PER NIGHT THAT WE HAD.
SO, BECAUSE OF THAT, AND CONSIDERING THAT THESE ARE INTERNAL CANDIDATES, AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW THESE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA GO ABOUT, 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT, SHOULD WE STICK TO FIVE TO ALLOW FOR THE EXTRA TIME FOR THOSE QUESTIONS AND FOR THE EXTRA MOTIONS? NOW I UNDERSTAND.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE WOULD POSSIBLY HAVE MORE THAN 30 MINUTES PER CANDIDATE? I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY CONSIDERING THE CURRENT POSITIONS OF SOME OF THOSE CANDIDATES AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE INTERNAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME FOR EVERY CANDIDATE OR CAN IT BE DIFFERENT? UH, COURTNEY, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME? SO THE QUESTION FOR ME WOULD BE, NOT ABOUT TIME, BUT QUESTIONS.
THE QUESTION WOULD BE DO WE HAVE TO ACT ONCE THE SAME NUMBER OF QUESTIONS UNDER THE CATEGORIES VERSUS THE TIME? I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM A, UH, EACH, UH, TIMEFRAME TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
HOW MUCH TIME SHOULD EACH CANDIDATE GET TO ANSWER A QUESTION? NO, NO, NO.
THE QUESTION IS, DOES EACH CANDIDATE RECEIVE THE SAME, THE SAME AMOUNT TOTAL AMOUNT OF TIME? LIKE, CAN ONE HALF 30 MINUTES AND ONE HAVE 45 MINUTES? OR DO WE HAVE TO SAY EVERYBODY GETS 40 MINUTES? NO, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD DO IT THAT WAY.
YOU PROBABLY SHOULD FOLLOW WHAT COUNCIL MEETINGS FOLLOW, WHICH IS I THINK GIVING EACH PERSON MAYBE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WAY YOU HAVE WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT THAT, THAT MIGHT TOTAL UP TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE FOR EACH CANDIDATE, BUT, UM, IF YOU GIVE THEM, UH, A FINITE AMOUNT OF TIME, SO WE DO 10 QUESTIONS, TWO MINUTES PER QUESTION.
IF WE DID 14 QUESTIONS, THAT WOULD BE 28 MINUTES.
IF, AND IF EACH ONE OF US ASKS TWO QUESTIONS.
IF ALL 10 MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ASKS TWO QUESTIONS, THAT WOULD BE A 50 MINUTE INTERVIEW.
SO TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM GIVING CANDIDATES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BASED ON THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS WE ASK.
SO IF THERE ARE 10 OF US, I THINK AT MINIMUM 10 OF US SHOULD ASK AT LEAST TWO QUESTIONS UNDER THE CATEGORIES THAT HAVE BEEN DECIDED.
AND IF EACH ONE OF US ASKS TWO QUESTIONS, THEN THE CANDIDATES WILL A ANSWER, UH, 20 QUESTIONS AND HAVE TWO MINUTES, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK THE YEAH, AS LONG AS YOU GIVE 'EM THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, SOMEBODY KEEP THE TIME, YOU KNOW? UM, AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR AND EQUITABLE.
SO TWO TIMES TWO IS FOUR, IF I'M CORRECT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE 40 MINUTES.
AND THEN LAST TIME, I THINK WE GAVE THEM A, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO GIVE A STATEMENT.
I DON'T WANT TWO MINUTE OR A FIVE MINUTE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THREE MINUTE STATEMENT.
WHATEVER THAT'S GONNA BE THEN DECIDE THAT NOW.
SO THE SEC SO THE SECRETARY CAN, UH, GET IT IN THE NEXT RECORD IT.
SO I'M SUGGESTING I'M MAKING A MOTION THAT WE EACH CANDIDATE A, I MEAN EACH COMMITTEE MEMBER ASKS TWO QUESTIONS, RIGHT? FOR A TOTAL OF 20 QUESTIONS.
ANY OBJECTIONS? THAT WOULD BE 40 MINUTES.
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NOW WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME DO WE GET 'EM FOR AN OPENING AND CLOSING STATEMENT? I WOULD SUGGEST THREE MINUTES FOR AN OPENING AND THREE MINUTES FOR A CLOSING SECOND.THAT MOTION TO GIVE THREE FOR OPENING AND THREE FOR CLOSING.
THIS WOULD GIVE THEM SIX MINUTES.
THERE'S BEEN MOTION TO SECOND AND THE OBJECTIONS THAT GIVES EACH CANDIDATE 46 MINUTES FOR AN INTERVIEW.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
DOES THAT ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
AND THEN, SO ONE THAT COMES UP TOO, IS WE COULD ASK LESS THAN 20 QUESTIONS THEORETICALLY AS WELL.
SO EACH CANDIDATE WOULD GET A MAX OF TWO, BUT IF WE GOT THROUGH 15 AND THAT WAS IT, WE'RE GOOD? YEAH, THERE'S NO CAP.
DID YOU COPY THAT MS. CHAMBERS? OKAY.
SO AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, WE HAVE FIVE CANDIDATES THAT WE HAVE AGREED ARE GOING TO BE INTERVIEWED ON MONDAY.
DO WE WANT TO ADD MORE TO THAT NUMBER KNOWING THAT EACH CANDIDATE IS GOING TO POTENTIALLY HAVE 46 MINUTES TO INTERVIEW? NO.
SO IS THERE A MOTION TO CUT AT FIVE? YES.
AND WE'RE GONNA START AT FIVE O'CLOCK ON MONDAY.
AND JUST SO I, JUST SO I'M CLEAR BECAUSE I WANNA START MAKING NOTIFICATIONS AS SOON AS I CAN, BALLARD, DANIELS, DOUGLAS HINES, AND MANNING HAVE ALL BEEN APPROVED FOR INTERVIEWS ON MONDAY EVENING STARTING FIVE O'CLOCK.
AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS PROVIDING EACH OF THEM A FEW MINUTES FOR AN OPENING STATEMENT.
THEN THERE'LL BE THE Q AND A SESSION, THEN A CLOSING STATEMENT.
AND HERE'S WHAT WE DECIDED TONIGHT.
WE CAN ASK UP TO 20 QUESTIONS UP TO UP TO 20 QUESTIONS.
AS LONG AS WE ASK AT LEAST ONE QUESTION FROM THE CATEGORIES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.
SO DURING THE PROCESS OF THE INTERVIEW, WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO ASK A QUESTION, IF YOU WANT FOREGO THAT OPPORTUNITY, YOU CAN ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY CLEAR? WE EACH CAN ASK TWO, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ASK TWO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
SO THE CANDIDATES KNOW THEY'LL HAVE UP TO 46 MINUTES TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
THEY'LL GET THREE MINUTES FOR OPENING, THREE MINUTES FOR CLOSING.
AND THEN WE AS A COMMITTEE CAN ASK TWO QUESTIONS, A PIECE UNDER EACH CATEGORY, BUT WE MAY NOT CHOOSE TO ASK TWO UNDER EACH MAILING NEED ONE.
AND WE'LL BE GIVING THEM AT LEAST TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER EACH QUESTION AS WELL.
EACH QUESTION, CORRECT? UNDERSTOOD.
SO BY VIRTUE OF THAT, EVERY INTERVIEW MAY NOT TAKE 46 MINUTES.
ALRIGHT? EVERY INTERVIEW MAY NOT TAKE THAT LONG.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD DECIDE NOW WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TO ELIMINATE CANDIDATES BEFORE OR AFTER THE INTERVIEWS.
MS. VICTORIA? I VOTE, I SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE THE INTERVIEWS.
IS THAT A MOTION IS TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AT FOUR? CAN WE DO 4:00 PM OR DO WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING AT 5:00 PM WE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE WE BEGIN THE INTERVIEW AT FIVE, RIGHT? EVERYTHING NEEDS TO START AT FIVE.
SO CONSIDERING THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD ABOUT NOTICE AND EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WHAT WE COULD AND COULD NOT TALK ABOUT, WOULD WE NEED TO FACTOR IN TIME FOR THAT AS WELL WITH THESE UH, YES.
DECISIONS TO REMOVE CANDIDATES FROM THE LIST AS WELL? YES.
AND, AND NO, IN MY MIND, FOR THIS REASON, I DON'T THINK THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE GONNA CARRY WEIGHT ON SOME OF THE CANDIDATES RECEIVING THE INTERVIEW.
I THINK THE, WHAT THEY'VE PLACED IN THEIR PACKET AS AN APPLICATION IS GOING TO CARRY WEIGHT RELATIVE TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD IN TERMS OF THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THE DISCUSSION YOU'RE REFERRING TO MAY NOT EVEN TAKE PLACE FOR SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES.
SO IF WE CAN'T START UNTIL FIVE, WE CAN'T START ANYTHING UNTIL FIVE O'CLOCK, THEN THERE'S NO, WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON ANYTHING UNTIL FIVE O'CLOCK, RIGHT? THE INTERVIEWS START AT FIVE MM-HMM.
SO WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING PRIOR TO FIVE O'CLOCK REGARDING THIS PROCESS.
IS WHAT I'M, IS WHAT MY CORRECT.
AFTER START AT FIVE, YOU NOTICE THE PUBLIC FIVE O'CLOCK.
SO IS YOUR MOTION STILL TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE THE INTERVIEWS? THAT IS MY MOTION, BUT I, UM, AM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CANNOT HAVE THOSE TYPE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE UNTIL FIVE.
SO IF THE INTERVIEW IS GONNA START AT FIVE, WE CAN'T HAVE OUR RICH DISCUSSION AT FIVE.
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MEETING STARTS.WHAT TIME? HE JUST LEFT OUT CALLING PEOPLE THAT THE INTERVIEWS WILL START AT FIVE O'CLOCK, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
SO IF INTERVIEWS START AT FIVE O'CLOCK, HOW WE'RE NOT GONNA BE IN SESSION DISCUSSING, WE ARE GONNA BE INTERVIEWING THE INDIVIDUALS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.
THE, THE, THE MEETING WILL START AT FIVE TO INTERVIEW CANDIDATES.
BUT IF WE CREATE AN AGENDA THAT SAYS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THE INTERVIEW OKAY.
BUT WE JUST CAN'T START THE MEETING UNTIL FIVE.
CAN I MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION THAT WE SEE FOUR CANDIDATES BE, I MEAN, DO WE, DO WE HAVE A SENSE THAT THIS DISCUSSION'S GONNA TAKE AN HOUR OR IS IT GONNA TAKE 10 MINUTES? I DON'T THINK IT SHOULDN'T.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE, UM, HAVING THAT DISCUSSION FIRST RATHER THAN THE INTERVIEWS FIRST AND THEN DISCUSSING AFTERWARDS.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE COULD DO THE DISCUSSION MORE EASILY AFTER.
SO MOVE MOTION TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AFTER THE INTERVIEW.
ANY OBJECTIONS? THE DISCUSSION WILL TAKE PLACE AFTER THE INTERVIEW.
SO THE INTERVIEWS WILL BEGIN AT FIVE WILL KEEP OUT.
COURTNEY, ANYTHING ELSE? NOT, NOT AT THIS TIME.
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO MAKE A COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYONE IN WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? ONE THING? YES SIR.
WILL WE HAVE, WILL WE HAVE ON THE, UH, PRINT ON THE AGENDA THAT WE WILL ALSO VOTE TO ELIMINATE? WE SAID DISCUSS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO YES.
YES, MS. CHAMBERS, WE WANT TO VOTE TO ELIMINATE CANDIDATES ON MONDAY AFTER THE INTERVIEWS.
'CAUSE THE AGENDA HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED BECAUSE YOU NEED 24 HOURS FOR THAT.
AND THE 24 HOURS STARTS TODAY.
WEEKENDS, YOUR AGENDA'S ALREADY UP.
SO Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO WHAT Y'ALL DID TODAY, WHICH IS ADOPT THE AMENDED AGENDA THAT MS. UM, MRS. CHAMBERS IS GOING TO PUT OUT.
AND CAN SHE, CAN WE PUT THAT OUT TODAY? OKAY.
ADDING THAT, THAT'LL GIVE US 24 HOURS.
IF WE START THREE MINUTES LATE.
IF WE START AT 5 0 3, YEAH, IT'S 5 0 3.
UM, MR. MAYOR PRO, AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR UM, UH, ATTORNEY COURTNEY HERE.
UM, YEAH, AND I KNOW WE CAN'T DISCUSS THE IA FOX, BUT THIS WAS STUFF THAT CONCERNS ME.
LIKE SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, UM, BEFORE WE MAKE A VOTE ON WHO WE RECOMMEND TO THE MAYOR? IT, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO, UH, WHO WANTS, WHICH CANDIDATE SAID THAT THEY PREFERRED, YOU KNOW, WHICH FORM.
EITHER THEY WANT OPEN OR THEY WANT PRIVATE.
SO IT IT, SO THE CANDIDATE GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT THE IA FILE DISCUSSED OR NOT IN PUBLIC.
THAT'S WHAT THE NOTICE HAS, NOTICE HAS BEEN SENT OUT TO THEM ALREADY.
AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AS WELL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IS YEAH, YOU CAN DISCUSS IT SO WE CAN IT SO BREAK THAT DOWN FOR US.
'CAUSE I THINK, UM, THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF CONFUSION ABOUT IT.
SO NOTICE HAS BEEN SENT, SENT OUT TO THE CANDIDATES, ASKING THEM, LETTING THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE A PUBLIC BODY BECAUSE YOU ARE A PUBLIC BODY.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISCUSSION THAT LEADS INTO THOSE FOUR THINGS THAT OPEN MEANINGS LAW SAYS YOU GENERALLY HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, PHYSICAL AND MENTAL, UH, HEALTH, UH, THEIR PROFESSIONAL CHARACTER.
AND SO THEY GET TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT GETS TO BE DISCUSSED IN A PUBLIC FORUM OR IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, NOTICE HAS BEEN SENT OUT TO THEM TODAY 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM 24 HOURS.
WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD BACK FROM SOME OF THE CANDIDATES, NOT ALL OF THEM.
SOME HAVE CHOSEN PUBLIC, SOME HAVE CHOSEN PRIVATE.
AND SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, THEN THE ONES THAT HAVE CHOSEN PRIVATE, YOU GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND THE ONES THAT SAY, I'M FINE WITH THE DISCUSSION HAPPENING OUT IN, IN THE OPEN, THEN YOU CAN HAVE IT OUT HERE IN, IN THE OPEN.
LAST PIECE OF THIS QUESTION, AND I I JUST FOR CLARITY, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT IF A CANDIDATE SAYS, I DON'T WANT MY IA FILE DISCUSSED IN THE PUBLIC OR EXECUTIVE SESSION, HOW DOES THAT WORK? I'M SORRY, DIDN'T OH, NO PROBLEM.
IF YOU DON'T MIND REPEATING, I'LL REPEAT IT.
IF A CANDIDATE SAYS, I DON'T WANT MY IA FILE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC, OUR EXEC SESSION, EXCUSE ME, EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? OR YEAH, THEY, THEY NEED TO DECIDE.
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SO THEY HAVE TO DECIDE.IT'S NOT FOR Y'ALL TO MAKE A DECISION.
THAT'S THEIR DECISION TO MAKE IF I MAY.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION.
THEY GOTTA DECIDE WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC OR A PROPERTY.
BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT IN ONE OR THE OTHER, CORRECT? YES.
WE COULDN'T DO THAT TODAY 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH NOTICE.
BUT ON MONDAY THEY WILL HAVE THE NOTICE.
BY MONDAY AT 12 NOON THEY'RE GONNA HAVE NOTICE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THEY SOME, SOME HAVE RESPONDED ALREADY.
SO YOU SAID MONDAY BY 12 NOON, SO THAT MEANS WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT MONDAY? YEAH.
SO BY 12 O'CLOCK MONDAY THEIR DEADLINE IS TO LET US KNOW IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR, IF THEY ELECT TO HAVE THEIR RECORDS DISCUSSED EITHER IN FRONT OF THIS BODY OR IF THEY PREFER TO HAVE THAT DONE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE A HOST OF CANDIDATES WHO HAVE RESPONDED SO FAR.
MAYBE ONLY A HANDFUL HAVE NOT.
UH, SO TO KIND OF CLARIFY JUST A FEW THINGS.
THE INDIVIDUALS WHO YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD ON, ON MONDAY, THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE ALREADY DECIDED, OR HAVE ALREADY RESPONDED WITH WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANNA, WANNA MOVE FORWARD IN THE PUBLIC SETTING OR IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THE TIME, UM, OF ALLOTTED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT ON THE NEXT MEETING DATE, IF THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE HEARD IN PUBLIC OR IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN SAY, I DON'T EVEN WANT MY FILE HEARD.
WE DON'T DISCUSS THEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND THE PUBLIC GOING PRIOR, WE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION.
UM, SO WE ARE GONNA HEAR ALL THESE INTERVIEWS.
DO WE THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK AMONGST OURSELVES? WE, WE WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO TALK.
WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN PUBLIC FOR THOSE CANDIDATES WHO STAY PUBLIC OR WE CAN HAVE 'EM IN PRIVATE.
THAT CAN BE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR MONDAY.
BUT WE CANNOT HAVE A DISCUSSION IN PRIVATE.
THAT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL DISCUSSION.
I MEAN IT'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY IN PRIVATE IF THEY HAVE CHOSEN US TO DISCUSS AS PART OF THE MEETING IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
BUT I MEAN, AND WE CAN, WE ONLY DO IT IN PRIVATE IF THEY'VE SAID I ONLY WANT, CORRECT.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, VICE CHAIR, THOSE DISCUSSIONS CAN ONLY BE HAD AS PART OF THE MEETING, EITHER IN PUBLIC OR IN PRIVATE.
BUT AS WE CAN'T MEET TONIGHT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT 'EM.
WE HAVE TO HAVE IT AS PART OF THE MEETING.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE BUD? I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE ANYTHING, ANY, ANY MORE THAN WHAT IT IS.
JUST TO ADD THIS, IF IT'S PUBLIC RECORD, IT CAN BE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC.
Y'ALL GOT THAT? YEAH, THAT'S IT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT BUT I'M, I'M SORRY.
AHEAD BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN LIKE WHAT WE, WE LIKE, WE'VE BEEN GETTING TOLD SINCE WE GOT HERE TODAY.
LIKE, 'CAUSE IF IT'S PUBLIC RECORD, THAT MEANS THAT WE COULD DISCUSS IT TODAY.
THE THINGS THAT YOU THAT THAT YOU CAN'T DISCUSS, WHICH, WHICH COULD LEAD TO IT.
THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M GOING TO ADVISE Y'ALL TO ALWAYS ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.
SO ESSENTIALLY I WANT TO, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT THIS CORRECT, EUGENE, ESSENTIALLY WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS YOU CAN DISCUSS THE IA FILES BECAUSE THEY'RE PUBLIC.
BUT IF IT GOES INTO THOSE FOUR AREAS, YOU CAN'T DISCUSS THOSE FOUR AREAS.
SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO US IS ERROR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.
WAIT UNTIL WE RECEIVE INFORMATION RELATIVE TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO DISCUSS IN PUBLIC OR IN PRIVATE BEFORE WE OPEN THOSE DISCUSSIONS UP.
'CAUSE AT A CERTAIN POINT WITH THOSE IA FILES, WE'RE GONNA ENTER INTO THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES.
THERE'S JUST NO WAY AROUND IT.
WELL, AND THE LARGER LOOMING ISSUE IS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T DISCUSS IT TODAY 'CAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN NOTICED.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY, BUT THE PUBLIC HASN'T BEEN PUT ON NOTICE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WANT TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK ON CERTAIN THINGS.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY WERE NOT NOTICED OF IT.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO OR DON'T, BUT YOU WANT TO GO TO YOUR NOTICE FIRST.
NOW IF IT'S NOTICED AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, THEN THE BASELINE IS THAT YOU CAN DISCUSS ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
THOSE THINGS THAT I'VE DETAILED, YOU KNOW, THE MENTAL, PHYSICAL, YOU KNOW, CAPABILITIES, PROFESSIONAL CHARACTER IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
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THE CANDIDATE CAN SAY, WELL LOOK, YOU KNOW, GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.THAT'S, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT I WANT TO HAVE MY STUFF OUT IN THE OPEN IN PUBLIC.
AND SO THAT'S THE NOTICE WE SENT TO THEM AND WE'VE HEARD BACK FROM SOME CANDIDATES ALREADY.
SO THAT'S A COURTESY TO PROVIDE THE CANDIDATE BECAUSE THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.
ALRIGHT, YOU GOOD MR. COLLINS? YES.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN OR IS THAT FOR THE DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION.
SO, AND THIS, IT SHOULD BE AN EASY ONE.
SO FOR NEXT WEEK, SINCE WE HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS AND TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ELIMINATE SOMEONE FROM THE LIST, IS THE PROCESS GONNA BE LIKE WHERE IT WAS TODAY WHERE WE JUST SORT OF VOTE? OR WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF ONE OF US HAS A COMMENT? LIKE SHOULD WE, IF THERE'S CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WE THINK, OH, THE COMMITTEE MIGHT NOT FIND 'EM SATISFACTORY, SHOULD WE PREPARE SORT OF A STATEMENT OR WILL IT BE SORT OF INFORMAL? WILL WE DISCUSS IT IN DEPTH? WHAT'S THE COMMITTEE'S IDEA OF HOW THAT'LL WORK? WELL, MY THINKING IS BY THAT TIME THE CANDIDATES WILL HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND WILL HAVE SAID TO US WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT THEIR INFORMATION DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC OR IN PRIVATE.
IF THE PARTICULAR CANDIDATE IN QUESTION, UH, WE'RE DISCUSSING TO ELIMINATE AND THERE ARE COMMENTS TO BE MADE, I THINK WE'LL ASK, UH, DID THAT CANDIDATE SAY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DISCUSSION? IF IT'S PRIVATE, WE'LL HAVE TO GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE, UH, YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT CANDIDATE CAN'T BE ABOUT ANYTHING IN, IN THOSE FOUR AREAS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE CANDIDATE, AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T GO INTO THOSE FOUR AREAS, YOU COULD DO THAT PUBLICLY.
AM I CORRECT? SO THE, WHEN YOU, IF IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THOSE FOUR AREAS THAT Y'ALL WANNA DISCUSS, YOU CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DISCUSS THEM.
UM, 'CAUSE SOME, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON THE LEVEL OF DISCUSSION THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE.
YOU CAN HAVE THAT IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN THOSE FOUR AREAS, THE CANDIDATE CAN SAY, WELL, DON'T GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT ME TO THE PUBLIC.
I WANT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR THIS.
AND THAT'S THE NOTICE THAT SECRETARY CHAMBER SENT OUT TODAY.
AND WE HAVE HEARD BACK FROM SOME FOLKS THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
NO, HIS QUESTION WAS RELATIVE TO IF WE ELIMINATING CANDIDATES AND HE WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT SAID CANDIDATE, WELL, COULD THAT HAPPEN OUT HERE BASED ON THE CANDIDATE? OR WE HAVE TO GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THAT STATEMENT TO BE MADE.
WHICH WOULDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE, BUT IT WOULD, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANNA SAY ABOUT THAT CANDIDATE.
AND I THINK YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOU ADDRESSED.
ANY OTHER QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? SURE.
UM, IT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS GONNA, UM, PUT THOSE CATEGORIES TOGETHER AND DROP THE VARIOUS QUESTIONS SO THAT WHEN WE GET HERE ON MONDAY, WE'LL HAVE CATEGORIES AND QUESTIONS FOR EACH, UH, FOR EACH OF US TO ASK.
IS THAT CORRECT MR. BIDWELL? YES, SIR.
AND YOU'LL GET THAT TO US TODAY, YOU SAID? YES SIR.
BUT WE'LL HAVE TIME BEFORE MONDAY'S MEETING TO SHOOT THE EMAIL BACK AND FORTH RELATIVE TO OUR CONCERNS, STARTS OR IDEAS.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST WANNA LET EVERYONE KNOW I WILL NOT BE HERE ON MONDAY.
I HAVE A PRE-PLANNED BUSINESS TRIP, SO I APOLOGIZE TO MY FELLOW MEMBERS.
ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ANY OBJECTIONS? MEETING ADJOURNED.