[Storm Water Advisory Committee on October 26, 2023.]
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WE, WE DO HAVE A LIGHT CROWD TODAY.
I KNOW A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, UH, LET ME KNOW THAT THEY, THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY, AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN GODDE IS GONNA, UH, HE'S GONNA COME IN, BUT HE'S GONNA BE A FEW MINUTES LATE.
SO, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I DID WANT TO MENTION, UM, IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, UH, ADAM KNAPP HAS, UH, MOVED ON FROM BRACK, AND HE'S TAKEN A POSITION WITH COMMITTEE OF 100 FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND HE'S, I THINK HE, HE'S WITH BRACK THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH, THROUGH TOMORROW.
SO, UH, ANN TRAPE, WHO WAS, AS I UNDERSTAND WAS THE, UH, ON THE BRAC BOARD AT ONE TIME.
I'LL LET HER INTRODUCE HERSELF IN A SECOND, BUT, UH, SO I DON'T MESS ANYTHING UP, BUT, SO SHE'LL BE A NEW, UH, NEW COMMITTEE MEMBER, BUT CERTAINLY NOT NEW TO THE TOPIC.
UM, IT'S GOT A VERY STRONG BACKGROUND IN, UH, IN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO I THINK, UM, I KNOW SHE'LL, SHE'LL COME ON AND, AND WE WON'T MISS A BEAT.
SO, WITH THAT, I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO, TO ANNE AND LET HER INTRODUCE HERSELF.
SO WITH THAT, UM, OUR TOPIC FOR TODAY IS CREDITS.
AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, ANA WHITE WITH BLACK AND VEATCH TO GO OVER THE, UH, CREDIT PROGRAM.
OKAY, WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND HERE WE GO.
UM, IF WE WANNA GO BACK, BACK A COUPLE SLIDES.
SO, SOME OF WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, UM, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF DO A, A RECAP ON THE, THE CREDIT PROGRAM THAT WE HAD, THE BLACK AND VEATCH HAD PROPOSED, UM, FOR BATON ROUGE.
WE'LL TALK THROUGH THAT AGAIN.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE TYPES OF CREDITS AND THE AMOUNT OF CREDIT, WE'LL WALK THROUGH ALL THAT AGAIN.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT, UM, FOLLOWING, I THINK IT WAS SWAC FIVE, I THINK, IS WHEN I WAS HERE AND I PRESENTED THE SAME INFORMATION FOR THE, THE CREDIT PROGRAM.
I THINK AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT, UM, WE COULD PROVIDE SOME CASE STUDIES, UM, FOR YOU.
AND SO WE HAVE, UM, SIX CASE STUDIES THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU IN A FORM OF A MATRIX.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH THOSE AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AGAIN ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR BATON ROUGE, AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
SO, JUST A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT A CREDIT PROGRAM IS FOR THOSE THAT ARE KIND OF, KIND OF NEW, NEW TO THIS CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT'S A CONDITIONAL REDUCTION IN THE STORMWATER FEE IF THAT PROPERTY CONFORMS WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CREDIT.
SO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IF A PROPERTY HAS A, UM, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE OF BMP, UM, ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT HELPS CONTROL EITHER THE QUALITY OF RUNOFF, SO TREATING THAT RUNOFF BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE SYSTEM, OR CONTROL CONTROLS, THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF COMING OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY, THEY COULD QUALIFY FOR A CREDIT.
THOSE ARE THE MOST TWO COMMON FORMS OF CREDITS, QUALITY AND QUANTITY.
THERE'S OTHER ONES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TODAY AS WELL, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT A CREDIT IS.
IF YOU DO SOMETHING TO HELP CONTROL STORMWATER RUNOFF, YOU CAN GET A CREDIT ON YOUR BILL.
THEY TYPICALLY APPLY ONLY TO NON-RESIDENTIAL PARCELS.
IT'S VERY HARD FOR A RESIDENTIAL PARCEL TO REALLY HAVE ANY IMPACT ON STORMWATER RUNOFF.
YOU KNOW, HAVING A RAIN BARREL OR A RAIN GARDEN, IT'S NICE, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T DO A WHOLE LOT IN TERMS OF HELPING THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AS A WHOLE.
SO MAINLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CREDITS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO NON-RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
SO THE BENEFITS OF, OF HAVING A STORMWATER CREDIT, IT'S BOTH, THERE'S BOTH ECONOMIC BENEFITS, UM, TO THE, TO THE, TO THE CITY, TO THE SYSTEM, UM, AS IT, YOU KNOW, IF IT HELPS CONTROL THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTANTS THAT ARE GOING INTO THE SYSTEM, AS WELL AS THE, THE PEAK FLOW GOING INTO THE SYSTEM TO TRY TO AVOID FLOODING ISSUES.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS AS, AS WELL.
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UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GREEN INITIATIVES THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED TO HELP, UH, STORM WATER RUNOFF, UM, AND OTHER KIND OF, OF, UM, FACILITIES AS WELL.SO IT REALLY BENEFITS, UM, THE COMMUNITY, BOTH E ECONOMICALLY, UM, AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK, WE'LL KIND OF CIRCLE BACK ON THIS.
UM, AT THE END WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED FOR THE PARISH IN TERMS OF A CREDIT PROGRAM, BUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE DEVELOP A CREDIT PROGRAM, THE, THIS, THESE ARE THE COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WHAT ARE THE OBJECTIVES? WHAT DOES THE PARISH WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE CREDIT PROGRAM? FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THERE A VERY SPECIFIC ISSUE, STORMWATER ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED? AND IF SO, HOW CAN WE DESIGN A A CREDIT THAT'LL HELP ADDRESS THAT? UM, THE TYPES OF CREDITS, THERE'S TWO VERY COMMON TYPES.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE, ARE FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES.
YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CASE STUDIES, UM, SOME UTILITIES HAVE UP UP TO NINE OR 10 TYPES OF CREDITS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPES OF CREDITS THAT ARE OFFERED ARE VERY SPECIFIC FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES IN THAT COMMUNITY.
THEN FOR EACH CREDIT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
SO WHAT'S THE CRITERIA THAT THAT PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO MEET IN ORDER TO GET THE CREDIT? WE'LL TALK THROUGH THAT PROGRAM POLICIES.
WHO DO THE CREDITS APPLY FOR, YOU KNOW, APPLY TO, CAN RESIDENTIAL GET CREDITS OR IS IT NON-RESIDENTIAL? WHAT'S THE APPLICATION FEE? UM, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG ARE THE CREDITS IN PLACE BEFORE YOU HAVE TO RENEW THEM? UM, THOSE KIND OF POLICIES.
AND THEN THE REVENUE IMPLEMENT IMPLICATIONS, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT IF YOU GET A CREDIT, YOU'LL GET A REDUCTION IN YOUR STORM WATER FEE.
THAT MEANS LESS REVENUE FOR THE PARISH.
AND SO WHEN WE CONSIDER THE CREDIT PROGRAM, AND WHEN WE CONSIDER THE AMOUNT OF CREDIT THAT WILL BE OFFERED, WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT'S A REDUCTION ON REVENUE.
AND WHEN WE REDUCE THE REVENUE, WE'RE NOT, TECHNICALLY, WE'RE NOT REDUCING THE, THE COSTS THAT NEED TO BE RECOVERED, WE'RE, WE HAVE TO BUMP UP ALREADY A LITTLE BIT IN ORDER TO STILL MEET THOSE COSTS WITH LESS REVENUE.
SO WHAT WE HAD PROVIDED, UM, WAS A MATRIX FOR SIX UTILITIES.
AND IT PROVIDED, UM, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS A SUMMARY OF THE TYPES OF CREDITS THAT EACH OF THOSE SIX COMMUNITIES PROVIDE, THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA, UM, THE, THE, UM, CREDIT, UM, BEING OFFERED FOR EACH OF THOSE CREDITS, AND THE MAXIMUM, UM, AGGREGATE CREDIT ALLOWED AS WELL.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO, NO INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A CREDIT PROGRAM, AND YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH THESE SIX, HOW VERY DIFFERENT THEY ARE.
LIKE I MENTIONED, ONE OF THEM HAS UP TO NINE CREDITS, ANOTHER ONE HAS TWO CREDITS.
SO THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRY GUIDELINE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE OR NO MORE THAN SIX.
UM, IT'S REALLY JUST WHAT, WHAT, UM, FITS WELL WITH, WITH THAT COMMUNITY.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT, THAT THERE'S CREDITS, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THESE.
SOME OF THE CREDITS ARE, ARE BASED ON MEETING RE UH, REGULATIONS.
SOME ARE BASED ON EXCEEDING, UM, REGULATIONS, AND SOME ARE, ARE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT OF REGULATIONS.
SO AGAIN, THERE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO STANDARD, UM, IT, IT VARIES FROM CASE TO CASE.
SO WE'LL WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE AND THEN WE'LL REVIEW WHAT WE, AGAIN, WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING FOR, UH, THE PARISH.
SO THE SIX COMMUNITIES THAT WE PICKED OUT HERE ARE ALL MORE OR LESS SIMILAR IN SIZE TO THE PARISH IN TERMS OF POPULATION AND SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WE TRIED TO, TO GET AS CLOSE AS WE POSSIBLY COULD.
SO THE FIRST ONE HERE, UM, CHARLOTTE MECKLENBURG IN NORTH CAROLINA.
SO THIS IS ONE THAT HAS, UM, QUITE A NUMBER OF CREDITS TOTAL OF SIX CREDITS.
THE MOST COMMON CREDITS THAT WE SEE ARE QUANTITY, SO THE AMOUNT OF FLOW AND QUALITY.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE AS WE LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THESE, THAT MOST OF THESE DO HAVE THOSE TWO, THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST COMMON CREDITS.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, THE STORMWATER PEAK AS PEAK MANAGEMENT, THAT'S THE, THE QUALITY, THE QUANTITY OF FLOW GOING THROUGH THE SYSTEM OR ENTERING THE SYSTEM, STORMWATER VOLUME.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S ALSO SOME THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT SPECIFIC FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
SO THE COUNTY LINE FEE CREDIT, UM, AND THERE'S A, I'M NOT SURE EVEN HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT, CAT OW, KAMBA RIVER FEE CREDIT.
THOSE ARE VERY SPECIFIC FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, IF FLOW IS GOING INTO ONE OF THOSE TWO, UM, UH, AREAS THERE, THEN THERE'S A CREDIT FOR THAT.
UM, THE OTHER ONES THAT YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, PEAK MANAGEMENT, AGAIN, THAT'S FOR THE, THE AMOUNT, UM, OF FLOW GOING INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER ONE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE FOUR OR FIVE FOR THE SAME KIND OF, FOR THE SAME TYPE OF CREDIT
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IN TERMS OF A PEAK CREDIT.BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT QUALIFICATIONS FOR MEETING THOSE IN DIFFERENT, UM, AMOUNTS OF CREDITS THEY CAN GET.
THERE'S ONLY ONE ON THERE THAT WOULD APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S THAT POND FREE FEE CREDIT.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT MOST LIKELY THAT MAY BE FOR, UM, LIKE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES AND HOA THAT HAS SOME KIND OF A, A RETENTION POND AS PART OF THEIR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO THAT'S A CREDIT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY APPLY THERE.
SO CHARLOTTE MECKLENBURG IS AN EXAMPLE OF A, A COMMUNITY WHERE CREDITS ARE INDEPENDENT OF, OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
SO IN TERMS OF THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA THAT'S REQUIRED, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL REGULATIONS ARE, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE THERE.
THE MAXIMUM AGGREGATE CREDIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY IS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, BASICALLY THAT MEANS THAT IF SOMEBODY, UM, SOMEBODY CAN APPLY FOR AND BE GRANTED ENOUGH CREDIT SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A STORMWATER CHARGE.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S A REDUCTION ON REVENUE.
SO HOPEFULLY NOT VERY MANY PARCELS WOULD ACTUALLY GET TO THAT POINT.
UM, BUT YOU DON'T SEE A HUNDRED PERCENT AGGREGATE CREDIT, UM, VERY OFTEN.
THE SECOND EXAMPLE HERE, THIS IS FORT WORTH.
SO FORT WORTH HAS NINE DIFFERENT CREDITS.
UM, AGAIN, THEY KIND OF, THEY HAVE THE TWO MOST COMMON WATER QUALITY AND, AND QUANTITY.
UM, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, AN EDUCATION CREDIT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE MENTIONED FOR BATON ROUGE.
AND SO FOR THE, THE EDUCATION CREDIT, BASICALLY, IF, IF, UM, THERE'S A PROGRAM IN PLACE TO PROVIDE STORMWATER EDUCATION, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER IN, IN THE, THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE K THROUGH 12 SCHOOL SYSTEM.
UM, AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LIBRARY COULD HAVE THE SAME KIND OF A STORMWATER EDUCATION PROGRAM FOR KIDS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OR OTHER ENTITIES LIKE THAT THAT CATER, CATER TO KIDS.
UM, IF THEY HAVE A PROGRAM LIKE THAT, THEY COULD QUALIFY FOR STORMWATER CREDIT.
UM, AGAIN, IN FORT WORTH, LIKE WITH, WITH CHARLOTTE MECKLENBURG, THE CREDITS ARE INDEPENDENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN THEIR CRITERIA, THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT SPECIFICALLY POINTS TO WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE, AND YOU HAVE TO MEET OR EXCEED THOSE REGULATIONS.
FOR THE CREDIT, THE MAXIMUM AGGREGATE CREDIT FOR FORT WORTH IS 40%.
SO IT WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR CHARLOTTE MECKLENBURG HERE IT'S ONLY 40%, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE REASONABLE.
OKAY, THE NEXT EXAMPLE, SO THIS IS KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI.
SO THIS ONE KIND OF STANDS OUT 'CAUSE IT ONLY HAS TWO CREDITS, AND ONE OF THOSE CREDITS IS A RATIO CREDIT.
KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE WE'VE EVER SEEN THE RATIO CREDIT.
THE ONLY REASON WE KNOW ABOUT IT'S 'CAUSE I'M FROM KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI, SO I WAS AWARE OF IT.
OTHERWISE WE MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW THAT THAT EXISTED.
BASICALLY, THE RATIO CREDIT, UM, FOR KANSAS CITY IS PROPERTIES THAT HAVE IMPERVIOUS AREA TO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA RATIO OF 30 TO ONE.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDWEST AND IN KANSAS CITY, THERE'S VERY LARGE PROPERTIES, A LOT OF AGRI AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE A LITTLE HOUSE AND THEN A LOT OF LAND.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT RATIO OF CREDIT CAN HELP ADDRESS.
UM, IT'S PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF A BREAK TO THOSE KIND OF PROPERTIES THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, HUNDRED ACRES OF LAND, THAT RUNOFF IS REALLY STAYING ON YOUR PROPERTY, NOT ENTERING THE SYSTEM.
AND THEREFORE THAT'S WHAT THAT CREDIT IS TO REFLECT.
UM, THE OTHER CREDIT THAT KANSAS CITY HAS IS THE, THE PEAK MANAGEMENT.
SO THOSE TWO TYPES OF CREDITS, THE MAXIS IS 50 FOR EACH OF 'EM.
THEY HAVE A, A MAXIMUM AGGREGATE OF 75%.
SO SOMEBODY COULD, COULD, UH, QUALIFY FOR BOTH OF THOSE CREDITS.
WHAT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL IS THAT THERE'S NO CREDITS FOR OFFSITE RETENTION.
SO THERE'S NO, WHICH IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL.
USUALLY WE SEE THAT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
BUT FOR KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI, UM, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN, IN THEIR PROGRAM.
UM, THE NEXT EXAMPLE IS MILWAUKEE.
SO THEY HAVE FOUR CREDITS THERE.
UM, A GREEN ROOF, THAT'S ONE THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN THE EXAMPLE SO FAR.
SO IF THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PLANTS PLANTED ON, ON THE ROOF THAT ARE HELPING TO, UM, WITH THE, THE INFILTRATION OF THE, THE RAINWATER HELPS, HELPS CLEAN THAT.
RAINWATER, THERE'S A CREDIT FOR THAT.
UM, THEY ALSO HAVE THE PERMEABLE OR THE POROUS PAVING.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT ALLOWS THE WATER TO, TO KIND OF GO THROUGH.
UM, INSTEAD OF RUNNING OFF YOUR DRIVEWAY, IT CAN GO, GO THROUGH, UM, BIOSWALE AND THEN A WET DETENTION POND.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT MILWAUKEE HAS REALLY FOCUSED ON WATER QUALITY WITH ALL FOUR
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OF THESE CREDITS.THE AGGREGATE MAXIMUM THERE IS 60%.
EACH OF THOSE CREDITS INDIVIDUALLY CAN GET A CREDIT UP TO 60%.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE MILWAUKEE CREDIT PROGRAM IS REALLY, UM, DEVELOPED AND TARGETED ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE THEIR MAIN CONCERN WITH IS WATER QUALITY.
THE NEXT ONE THEN IS NORTHEAST OHIO REGIONAL SEWER DISTRICT.
WE SEE PEAK MANAGEMENT HELP CONTROL, UM, VOLUME.
YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT ONES FOR WATER QUALITY.
UM, THEY DO HAVE ONE IF THERE'S A AN MPDS PERMIT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIRLY COMMON AS WELL.
YOU'LL SEE, UM, IF A, UM, PROPERTY OWNER, UM, HAS A, A PERMIT, UM, FOR RUNOFF, THEN THERE'S A CREDIT.
UM, THERE COULD BE A CREDIT OFFERED FOR THAT.
UH, AND WE SEE HERE ALSO HAVE THE EDUCATION CREDIT, LIKE WE SAW BEFORE.
SO THE MAXIMUM CREDIT FOR ANY SINGLE ONE OF THESE IS 75%.
UM, THE AGGREGATE HERE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A COMMUNITY, UM, WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER COULD ACTUALLY, UM, NOT HAVE A STORM WATER CHARGE IF THEY WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE ENOUGH CREDITS FOR THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT CREDIT AMOUNT.
SO ST PETERSBURG'S KINDA LIKE KANSAS CITY ONLY HAS TWO.
THE OTHER ONE IS, IS UNIQUE, IS A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC FOR ST.
PETERSBURG, UM, FOR FLOW THAT'S FLOWING DIRECTLY INTO, UM, ONE THEIR, THEIR BAYS.
UM, THE BOCA, I, I'M NOT SURE I CAN PRONOUNCE THIS ONE EITHER.
BOCA CIGA BAY OR OR TAMPA BAY CIGA.
UM, SO VERY SPECIFIC FOR TAMPA BAY.
YOU CAN SEE THE, THE MAX CREDIT FOR EACH OF THOSE IS 52%, AND THE AGGREGATE IS ALSO 52%.
SO THOSE WERE THE SIX EXAMPLES THAT WE HAD, UM, PROVIDED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY ALL OF THIS INFORMATION THAT WE JUST WALKED THROUGH AND A LITTLE BIT MORE IS IN THE MATRIX THAT WE PROVIDED.
UM, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE DE THE DETAILS, UM, FOR EACH OF THOSE CREDITS, YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, SO NOW LET'S WALK THROUGH WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED FOR THE CITY PARISH, UM, STORM, UH, CREDIT PROGRAM.
SO ON A WALKTHROUGH, THE, THE FRAME, THIS, WHAT I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH IS THE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN, UM, IN THE PAST MEETING.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THESE KIND OF UTILITIES EXAMPLES THAT WE JUST WALKED THROUGH.
UM, AND, AND, AND BASED ON CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH, WITH ADAM AND HIS TEAM ON THE PARISH'S SPECIFIC NEEDS, UM, THAT WE WANNA TRY TO ADDRESS, UM, WITH THE PROGRAM.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE IDENTIFY THE CREDITS AND THE CRITERIA AND THE AMOUNT OF THE CREDITS NOW.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS IMPACTS THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WILL BE RECOVERED FROM, UM, THE, THE CUSTOMER BASE.
AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE A GENERAL I IDEA NOW WHAT THOSE CREDITS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE SO THAT, UM, ADAM'S TEAM CAN KIND OF EVALUATE WHO'S GONNA QUALIFY FOR THOSE CREDITS, HOW MUCH REVENUE COULD WE POTENTIALLY, UM, LOSE HOW, YOU KNOW, REVENUE REDUCTION, UM, FROM THESE CREDITS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR FINANCIAL PLAN.
SO THE OBJECTIVES, UM, FOR THE PARISH PROGRAM WAS REALLY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE, THE QUANTITY AND THE QUALITY OF STORMWATER RUNOFF.
THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST COMMON CREDITS AND MOST COMMON OBJECTIVES.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, UH, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC TO REDUCE, UM, THEIR STORMWATER BILL BY CONTRIBUTING TO, YOU KNOW, TO CONTRIBUTING TO ADDRESSING THE ISSUES IN WITHIN THE PARISH IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF STORMWATER RUNOFF, THE POLLUTANTS, AS WELL AS THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF IN THE PEAK FLOW.
UM, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT SUPPORTS COMPLIANCE WITH REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF A PARCEL OWNER HAS A, UM, FACILITY, ABNP ON THEIR, ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY ONLY GET THE CREDIT IF THAT BNP IS ACTUALLY WORKING AND IT'S BEING MAINTAINED.
SO HELPING TO ENCOURAGE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, MEETING THEIR REQUIREMENTS AND DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
UM, INCENTIVIZING ONSITE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
SO AGAIN, WE WANNA JUST GO BACK ONE SLIDE.
UM, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
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IN THE STORMWATER RUNOFF THAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING THAT AND INCENTIVIZING THEM TO DO THAT.AND THEN RECOGNIZING ANY PROPERTIES THAT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE REQUIREMENTS.
YOU CAN GET A CREDIT FOR MEETING REQUIREMENTS, BUT GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND IS EVEN IS EVEN MORE.
SO THESE WERE THE FIVE CREDITS.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE PEAK DISCHARGE AND THE QUALITY CREDIT.
AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST COMMON.
WE ALSO HAVE THE RATIO CREDIT.
WE DID STEAL THAT FROM KANSAS CITY.
UM, THE MPDS CREDIT, THAT ONE'S NOT AS COMMON, BUT WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN OTHER PLACES.
AND THEN THE EDUCATION CREDIT AS WELL.
SO EACH OF THESE CREDITS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN SPECIFIC MAXIMUM CREDIT, UM, THRESHOLD.
UM, EACH CREDIT REQUIRES, UM, CONFORMANCE WITH, WITH, UM, IDENTIFIED TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
SO FOR EACH CREDIT PROPERTY OWNER WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THAT CREDIT.
UM, PROPERTY OWNERS CAN RECEIVE MORE THAN ONE CREDIT.
THE AGGREGATE, UM, CREDIT WITH THESE FIVE THAT WE'LL GO THROUGH IN MORE DETAIL, THE AGGREGATE MAX CREDIT IS 40 TO 50%.
AND THEN ALL TYPES OF THESE CREDITS ARE SUBJECT TO A PERIODIC RENEWAL.
SO AGAIN, YOU DON'T GET THE CREDIT ONCE AND YOU HAVE IT FOREVER.
YOU DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A RENEWAL PROCESS TO SHOW THAT THAT FACILITY IS STILL ON YOUR PROPERTY.
IT'S STILL WORKING, YOU'RE STILL MAINTAINING, IT'S DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO IN ORDER FOR YOU TO RENEW YOUR CREDIT.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE, THE PEAK DISCHARGE CREDIT.
SO THIS IS THE QUANTITY CREDIT.
THIS IS THE MOST COMMON OUTTA THE SIX THAT WE JUST SAW.
PETERSBURG WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE QUANTITY CREDIT.
SO THIS IS OFFERED FOR VOLUME CONTROL AND MANAGING THE PEAK RATE OF RUNOFF OFF OF A PROPERTY.
UM, AND THIS IS TO HELP ADDRESS THE, THE FLOODING, UM, ISSUES WITHIN THE PARISH.
HELP TO MANAGE THE CONVEYANCE OF STORMWATER THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND PURPORT PERFORM, UH, AND SUPPORT THE CHANNEL, UM, PROTECTION.
SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THERE FOR THE CREDIT IS 10 TO 15%, AND THAT'S FOR EXCEEDING THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR RETENTION AND DETENTION.
UM, JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, FOR THE SIX THAT WE LOOKED AT WITH THAT, THAT CREDIT MAGNITUDE RANGED FROM 5% FOR FORT WORTH UP TO 75% FOR NORTHEAST OHIO.
SO 10 TO 15% IS ON THE LOW SIDE COMPARED TO THE SIX THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
UM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE FOR, FOR THIS CREDIT THAT WE HAVE THAT THE, THE PARISH HAS, UM, CLEAR RETENTION AND DETENTION REQUIREMENTS, UM, IF PEAK IS GOING TO BE MANAGED ON SITE.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED TO ACHIEVE, UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, RECEIVE THIS CREDIT YES.
ARE WE CONSIDERING THIS CREDIT FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ALSO OWN A DETENTION POND OR PART OF A DETENTION OR A RETENTION POND? OR COULD WE, I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO, BECAUSE WELL, THE WAY THE CREDIT PROGRAM IS BEING PRESENTED, IT, IT'S FOR NON-RESIDENTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S ONLY COMMERCIAL.
BUT I SEE THAT IT'S DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE IN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OWN DETENTION AND RETENTION PONDS CAN GET CREDIT.
COULD WE, COULD WE, 'CAUSE WE'RE CREATING THIS NOW.
COULD WE ADD THAT IN FOR THAT CASE? IT, IT, IT'S CERTAINLY UP FOR, FOR DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT OUR FRIENDS AT THE, UM, WELL, THEY'RE NOT HERE, THE DEVELOPER, UM, GROWTH COALITION.
THE GROWTH COALITION, UM, AND I, I, I MEAN, I KNOW PERSONALLY I'M, I MEAN I'M IN MY HOA BOARD AND OUR PROPERTY, WE HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OWN OUR DETENTION PONDS AND WE ARE FIGHTING WITH THAT.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM ALL UP AND DOWN ALL THROUGHOUT THE PARISH WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS OWN ALL ARE PART OF THESE PONDS.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE HUGE IF WE COULD MAKE THAT A, YOU KNOW, FOLD THAT IN SOMEHOW.
UM, AND THEY'RE ALL HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT RIGHT NOW, FIGURE OUT HOW TO DREDGE IT, OR THEY'RE ALL FILLING UP.
IN OUR CASE, OUR NEIGHBORS HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO WHEN THEY BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, SOME OF 'EM 25 YEARS AGO.
AND NOW THEY'RE FILLING UP BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENTS DOWN THE ROAD THAT HAVE PUSHED, THAT ARE NOW BEING FILTERED INTO THEIR PERSONAL POND.
IN OUR CASE, I COULD SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, OUR NEIGHBOR'S DETENTION POND, THERE'S THREE OF THEM THAT OWN IT.
AND NOW ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND FEED INTO THAT.
SO CAN WE CONSIDER, WELL THAT, SO THAT'S UP TO THE, THE COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, YOU COULD, I GUESS THIS WAS A, A PLAN THAT
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WE, WE PUT TOGETHER THAT I GUESS AS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I'D CALL IT A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THIS WAS JUST A PLAN THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER.IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE COMMITTEE TO, UM, TO MODIFY THIS.
THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP.
LIKE, LET'S, CAN WE, SO I KNOW THAT OUR METRO COUNCIL PEOPLE HAVE HEARD THIS FROM THEIR YEAH, SO, SO ADAM, IN THAT EXAMPLE, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE GONNA QUALIFY FOR THIS CREDIT.
UH, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WAY THIS CREDIT WOULD WORK IS THAT TO QUALIFY YOU WOULD NEED TO EXCEED THE CURRENT STANDARD, WHICH IS THE 100 YEARS.
ALL OF OUR PREVIOUS SUBDIVISIONS WERE DEVELOPED TYPICALLY TO THE 10 YEAR, I THINK MAYBE A VERY FEW HANDFUL GOT DEVELOPED TO THE 25 YEAR.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS WOULD QUALIFY FOR THAT.
UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD THAT WE WOULD SET TO SAY THAT YOU'VE EXCEEDED THE CURRENT STANDARD, RIGHT? SO THAT 100 YEAR STANDARD IS ALREADY CONSIDERED TO BE A, A PRETTY HIGH STANDARD.
UM, I MEAN, ARE WE TAKE, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT THRESHOLD WOULD BE, 250 YEARS OR, OR WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? NO.
WELL, I, I CAN TAKE MY MM-HMM,
BUT I, I'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING PARISHES, I CAN TELL YOU, YOU HAVE TO DESIGN TO WHERE LET'S SAY EITHER THE 25 YEAR OR THE 50 YEAR MEET, THE 10 YEAR PRE-DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE SO OTHER PARISH, THEY ACTUALLY MAKE YOU REDUCE THE RUNOFF FROM THE SITE WHEN YOU DEVELOP MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS PRE-DEVELOPED.
SO THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE THE WAY THIS WOULD, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T SAY, OKAY, WELL IT'S ONE CCFS LESS SO I GET, UH, RIGHT.
BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, WELL IF THE, UH, 25 YEAR POST MEETS THE 10 YEAR PRE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEN YOU GET 10%.
IF THE 50 YEAR POST MEETS THE 10 YEAR PRE, THEN YOU GET 50, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME, UH, SET STANDARD SO THAT, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET TO DO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE QUALITY CREDIT.
NOW THIS IS FOR PROPERTIES THAT, UM, MANAGE POLLUTANTS IN THE RUNOFF.
SO THE, WHAT WE HAVE HERE, WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING IS A, A 20% MAX FOR REMOVING, UM, A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF, UH, TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS TSS THAN REQUIRED.
SO FORT WORTH AND NORTHEAST EASTERN, UM, OHIO WERE EXAMPLES THAT ALSO HAD A SIMILAR CREDIT.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 20%, UM, I BELIEVE ST.
PETERSBURG AND MILWAUKEE WERE ON THE HIGHER END AT AT 50 AND 60%.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, THERE'S A RANGE, UM, ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 60% IN, IN THE CASE STUDIES THAT WE LOOKED AT.
IS THERE ANY INDICATION ON WHAT THAT HIGHER IS THAT'S WE'RE LOOKING AT? IS THERE A GOAL? IS THERE A GOAL FOR THAT HIGHER PERCENTAGE? AGAIN, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A, UM, UH, A POLICY DECISION THAT WE WOULD MAKE SUBSEQUENT TO, TO THIS MEET.
BUT SIMILAR TO THE, TO THE LAST ONE, THERE WOULD BE SOME, WE'D HAVE TO SET SOME THRESHOLD WHERE IT'S NOT JUST RIGHT, RIGHT.
HALF A PERCENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY.
THE THIRD ONE IS THE, THE RATIO CREDIT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS TWO RANGES.
SO IF THE RATIO OF, OF IMPERVIOUS TO PERVIOUS IS LESS, IS 25% OR LESS THAN A 15% CREDIT, UM, IF IT'S BETWEEN 25 AND 35%, THEN A LITTLE BIT LOWER, 10% CREDIT.
UM, AS A REMINDER, K CMOS CREDIT WAS 30%.
SO, UM, NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN KANSAS CITY.
SO THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION.
LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE.
UM, IT DOES SEEM THAT LIKE IN, IN THE, UM,
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NORTHERN PART OF THE SERVICE AREA, THERE'S MORE LARGER PROPERTIES, MORE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES.AND SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, AN OPTION THAT THAT, UM, MIGHT BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THOSE PROPERTIES.
BUT THAT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL THEN TOO, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES IN THE NORTH, UH, RURAL AREAS HAVE, ARE, ARE RESIDENTIAL, WELL, IF YOU CAN CONSIDER 'EM RESIDENTIAL, THEY HAVE A HOUSE ON A LARGE PROPERTY.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
WHY AM I BEING, UH, COMPARED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I HAVE 30 ACRES AROUND MY HOUSE? THAT MUST SURELY CONTRIBUTE LESS.
AND THE, UM, THE PROPERTIES IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PARISH THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY CLASSIFIED AS AGRICULTURAL.
SO THEY WOULD FALL, THEY WOULD FALL UNDER THIS CREDIT.
THEY'RE NOT MOST OF THE ONES THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT.
IS IT AGRICULTURAL FALLS UNDER NON-RESIDENTIAL IN THE CLASSIFICATIONS THOUGH? YEAH, THERE'S AN AGRICULTURAL SLASH RURAL CLASSIFICATION IN OUR ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE THE FOURTH ONE, UM, THE LPDS CREDIT, SO THIS IS FOR PROPERTIES THAT HAVE A, UM, AN INDUSTRIAL, UM, DISCHARGE PERMIT FOR DIRECT DISCHARGE.
SO A 10% MAX, UM, IF THEY HAVE THAT PERMIT AND THEY'RE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE PERMIT, WE SAW SIMILAR, UM, PERMIT CREDITS ALLOWED FOR IN, IN NORTHEAST OHIO, THAT EXAMPLE AS WELL AS AS FORT WORTH.
WHY WOULD YOU GIVE A CREDIT TO SOMEBODY THAT'S MEETING THEIR PERMIT BY LAW, RIGHT.
DISCHARGES THAT ARE GOING DIRECTLY INTO A WATER BO BODY AND NOT THROUGH THE PARISH SYSTEM.
YEAH, I KNOW, BUT THEY'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO MEET THOSE NPDS PERMITS, HUH? OR LPDS PERMITS.
WELL, AND THE CREDIT IS TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ENTERING THE PARISH SYSTEM.
THEY'RE GOING DIRECTLY INTO A WATER BODY.
WELL, SO IF THEY'RE NOT ENTERING OUR SYSTEM, WHY WOULDN'T WE GIVE THIS A 100% CREDIT IF WE'RE NOT HANDLING THEIR WATER? BUT WE ARE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING INTO ONE OF THE OTHER TRIBUTARIES IN THE PARISH, RIGHT? WELL, I GET, WELL, IN MANY CASES THEY'RE GOING DIRECTLY INTO THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER, WHICH IS NOT, UH, OKAY.
PART OF IT, THIS IS MORE THAT'S TALKING MORE INDUSTRIAL KIND OF INDUSTRIAL CLIENTS.
BUT I GET TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S GOING BACK TO, EVEN THOUGH THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER, FOR INSTANCE, THE, THEY'RE STILL USING THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THEIR, THEIR INDUSTRY, AND THEY'RE STILL IT.
WHILE THAT, UH, MOST OF IT MAY NOT GO TO THE MS FOUR, THEY COULD HAVE AN ENTRANCEWAY UP FRONT THAT GOES, THAT'S, THAT'S A ROADSIDE DITCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE OTHER EMPLOYEES EVERY DAY ARE USING THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO, TO GET THERE.
SO THAT, THAT WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND NOT GIVING A A FULL CREDIT.
AND THESE ARE, ALL OF THESE ARE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MOVE 'EM AROUND HOWEVER YOU WANT.
I MEAN, IF, IF 10%, YOU KNOW, IF THE THOUGHT IS IS, HEY, IT OUGHT TO BE MORE THAN 10%.
THAT'S, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MORE CREDITS YOU GIVE, WHAT IF WE NEED A DOLLAR AMOUNT, THEN WHATEVER CREDITS WE GIVE, WE GOTTA GET THAT MONEY BACK SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO IT'S GONNA GO TO THE RESIDENTIAL, THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, IT'S GONNA, UH, AND THEN IT IS GONNA FALL ON EVERYBODY ELSE.
I'M GONNA GUESS I THOUGHT NOT THE ONLY THING YOU CAN HAVE.
SO YOU'RE NOT BURDENING THE, YOU STILL HAVE
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SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST YES.AND IT, AND AGAIN, AND IT'S, I I THINK MOST OF THE ONES THAT WE LOOKED AT, I DON'T, THEY'RE ALL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHERS THAT DIRECT, THAT ARE DIRECT DISCHARGES THAT AREN'T GOING TO THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, MIND, IF YOU COULD TURN YOUR MIC.
SO HERE'S, IF EVERYBODY COULD TURN, I KNOW I, SO WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT, UM, IF ANYBODY'S LISTENING AT HOME, THEY, THEY CAN'T HEAR BECAUSE IT, IT WON'T GO THROUGH THE, THE SOUND.
UM, SO, SO I, IT'S NOT JUST THE MISSISSIPPI, IT'S ANY WATER OF THE US WHEN YOU HAVE IT IN NPDS, THAT, THAT, THAT'S FAIR.
EVEN IF IT GOES INTO A DITCH, IT EVENTUALLY GOES TO THE MISSISSIPPI, YOU STILL ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN NPD.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE EDUCATION CREDIT.
UM, SO WE SAW THIS IN THE, A COUPLE OF THESE EXAMPLES THAT WE LOOKED AT.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A 15% MAX CREDIT, UM, FOR LIKE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE K THROUGH 12 SCHOOL OR SIMILAR ENTITY, IF THEY PROVIDE A STORMWATER EDUCATION PROGRAM, THEY COULD APPLY FOR THE CREDIT.
SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, POLICIES THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED ALONG WITH THE CREDIT PROGRAM IS THE, YOU KNOW, ELIGIBILITY.
UM, DOES THIS PROGRAM APPLY ONLY TO NON-RESIDENTIAL PARCELS OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE, UM, A PIECE OF THIS THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES CAN ALSO APPLY FOR AS WELL? MAKING SURE THAT WE IDENTIFY THAT CRITERIA, UM, FOR WHO CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM AND APPLICATION FEE, A NOMINAL FEE, WE'RE THINKING, UM, $150 FOR A NEW APPLICATION, AND THEN MAYBE SOMETHING AROUND A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A RENEWAL.
UM, BECAUSE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, AMOUNT OF EFFORT REQUIRED ON THE PARISH'S PART TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE IN THE APPLICATION AND CONFIRM ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND CONFIRM THAT THAT PROPERTY DOES IN FACT, QUALIFIED FOR THE REQUESTED CREDIT DOCUMENTATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE CREDIT PROGRAM MOVES, MOVES FORWARD, THERE'LL BE A CREDIT MANUAL THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED THAT WILL LIST SPECIFICALLY ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOCUMENTATION THAT, UM, MAY BE REQUIRED AND MAY BE ACCEPTED, UM, IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE CREDIT THAT WILL ALL BE IDENTIFIED AND, AND PUT IN WRITING.
UM, EXAMPLES WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAPS DETAILING, UM, THE, THE DRAINAGE SITE, UM, CONNECTION POINTS TO THE PARISH SYSTEM, UM, CONSTRUCTION DESIGN, UM, LIKE AS-BUILTS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK PRETTY TYPICAL INFORMATION, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD HAVE ON ON HAND IF THEY HAVE THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, BMPS, THESE FACILITIES ON THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT THAT WOULD ALL BE LAID OUT VERY CLEARLY.
CREDIT DURATION, UM, ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO FOUR YEARS.
MAINLY THE, THE REASON WHY THERE'S A DURATION AND A RENEWAL IS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PARISH WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A, A FACILITY, UM, THAT, THAT RECEIVED THE, THE CREDIT, THERE'S A, A, B AND P ON THE PROPERTY OF RETENTION POND OR SOMETHING, THAT IT'S STILL THERE AND IT'S STILL WORKING.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU JUST GET THE CREDIT ONCE AND YOU GET IT FOREVER.
YOU STILL HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING THAT PRO THAT THAT, UM, FACILITY AND IT IS STILL THERE.
SO IF SOMEBODY DOES NOT, UM, COMPLY, UM, WITH THE CREDIT PROGRAM, IF THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINING THAT FACILITY, UM, THEN THEIR, THEIR CREDIT COULD BE, UM, TERMINATED.
IS THERE A, AN APPROVAL STEP IN THIS THING FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION? SO TYPICALLY THERE IS, UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UM, THERE'S A BOARD THAT, UM, REVIEWS THE APPLICATIONS AND MAKE A DECISION TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
AND THEN WHETHER IT'S THE, THE UTILITY DIRECTOR OR COMMISSIONER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
AND THEN THERE SHOULD ALSO BE A PROCESS IF THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, WANTS TO, UM, UM, WANTS TO COUNTER, YOU KNOW, IF THEIR, IF THEIR APPLICATION WAS DENIED, IF THEY WANNA, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DISCUSS DISCUSSION PROCESS YEAH, YEAH.
THERE'LL BE A PROCESS FOR THAT AS WELL.
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AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS OUTLINED IN THE MANUAL.SO ELIGIBILITY, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT INITIALLY IT'S LIMITED TO NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ONLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL CREDITS, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF RAIN BARRELS AND RAIN GARDENS.
AND WHILE THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NICE AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST LIKE HAVING THOSE ON THEIR, THEIR PROPERTIES 'CAUSE THEY LOOK NICE, UM, THEY DON'T DO A WHOLE LOT IN TERMS OF, OF MANAGING, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER RUNOFF OR, OR, OR, OR, OR QUALITY.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU WANNA ADD THAT RESIDENTIAL PIECE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DO THAT.
SOMETIMES IT'S, IT IS JUST IN THE FORM OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING AWAY, YOU KNOW, $50 VOUCHERS FOR RAIN BARRELS OR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO HAVE A LANDSCAPER COME OUT AND HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, DESIGN A RAIN GARDEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT MOST OF THESE CREDITS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, THEY DON'T, A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR THOSE.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PROPERTIES HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR, UM, THEIR BNP IS, IS FUNCTIONING, THEY'RE MAINTAINING IT.
UM, AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, MAYBE, MAYBE RESIDENTIAL CREDITS IN THE FUTURE.
SO IN SUMMARY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CREDIT PROGRAM IS JUST ONE PIECE, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE, THE, THE NEEDS, UM, THAT THE SYSTEM HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS TO MEET IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AND, AND, UH, MANAGING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, MEETING REGULATORY COMPLIANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CREDIT PROGRAM IS KIND OF A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX TO HELP HELP THE PARISH ACHIEVE THOSE.
BUT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER HAND THAT THE MORE CREDITS WE OFFER, THE LESS REVENUE IS GENERATED.
AND SO WE HAVE TO, TO FIND THAT, THAT BALANCING POINT BETWEEN ENCOURAGING THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT, RIGHT.
FOR THE, FOR THE SYSTEM VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA IMPACT THE REVENUE A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, JUST, JUST ONE QUESTION AND I GUESS I, I HAVE TO ASK THIS.
BASED ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PARISH, DRAINING SIGNIFICANTLY THROUGH SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY, OKAY? WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER RUN THROUGH THERE.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH A $35 MILLION PROJECT TO PREVENT EROSION BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER FLOWING THROUGH THAT CAUSED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO PROPERTY AND EVEN THREATEN SOME BUILDINGS.
SO I KNOW THAT WE HAD BASICALLY A 10% EDUCATIONAL, UM, CREDIT DUE TO PROVIDING INFORMATION TO, TO STUDENTS AND, AND THE COMMUNITY OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR LIKE AND KIND BENEFIT? OKAY, BECAUSE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THE DRAINAGE ISSUE COMING THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY, AND BECAUSE THERE'S A LARGE AREA OF IMPERIOUS IMPERVIOUS AREA, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR ADMINISTRATION WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOME CONSIDERATION JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT GOES THROUGH THE CAMPUS HEADING TO THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER.
AND, AND I, AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE CREDITS CAN BE, UM, EVALUATED ON A, A CASE BY CASE BASIS IF ONE OF 'EM DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY MEET A CERTAIN SITUATION.
I, I, I THINK THAT ADAM AND HIS TEAM WOULD CONSIDER CASE BY CASE, UM, AS WELL.
ARE YOU, YOU AWARE OF ANY, LIKE WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT? SO HE'S RIGHT, SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY IS RIGHT ON IN THIS PART OF IT.
UM, THERE'S A LARGE UPSTREAM AREA.
ARE YOU AWARE SOME KIND OF WAY SOMEBODY'S FILTERING A LARGE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY, SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THAT'S, YEAH, I, I'M NOT OF ANY SPECI.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC, UM, I YOU ARE, YOU ARE ALMOST USED TO SEEING PBA STANDING UP HERE.
SHE COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU FOUR OR FIVE EXAMPLES.
UM, SO LET ME TALK TO HER AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.
BUT I'M JUST, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, AND WE KNOW SHE'S GONNA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S $35 MILLION PROJECT THAT REALLY WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN PART OF THE CAMPUS AT ONE TIME AND HAVE AN ALTERNATE ROAD BECAUSE OF JUST THE AMOUNT OF EROSION THAT WAS HAPPENING BY THE FLOW OF WATER GOING THROUGH THE CAMPUS.
SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAPPEN TO SIT DOWN AND, AND SPEAK WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT IT.
WHEN PRPA, ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING MEETINGS, PAPAPA AND I ACTUALLY HAD AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION NOT EXACTLY ABOUT THAT, BUT ABOUT SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR AND SHE CITED THE
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EXAMPLE OF PHILADELPHIA AND THE UNIVERSITIES.THERE'S THREE OR FOUR UNIVERSITIES IN PHILADELPHIA, UM, THAT ARE ALL PAYING INTO THE STORMWATER PROGRAM.
AND SHE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT YOU MIGHT WANNA CHECK INTO THAT.
THERE ARE FOUR UNIVERSITIES IN PHILADELPHIA AND THEY ALL PAY IN, BUT THEY ALL HAVE SOME SORT OF CREDIT.
AND, AND I'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND ON THAT AND WRITE SOMETHING UP FOR YOU.
I I, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE SOMETHING AROUND THE PEAK FLOW PEAK MANAGEMENT CREDIT.
UM, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 50 YEARS, THEY HAVE NO RETENTION OR NO CAPABILITY OF REDUCING THE PEAK FLOW.
BUT MOST OF THE ONES WHO WERE IN THE LAST MAYBE FI 10 TO 15 YEARS ALL HAVE RETENTION PONDS.
UM, AND MOST OF THOSE ARE PART OF HOAS, WHICH IN THEMSELVES COMMON ELEMENTS AND THEY'RE NON-PROFIT CORPORATIONS.
SO DO THEY FALL UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL OR CAN THEY BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF NON-RESIDENTIAL FOR THE PURPOSE OF THOSE DETENTION BONDS AND MAKING IMPROVEMENTS IN GETTING CREDITS? I KIND WANNA SAY THAT THE, THE HOA IS A, A NON-RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE HOAS OWN MOST OF THOSE ED, THE H THE RETENTION PONDS ARE COMMON ELEMENTS.
HOAS ARE NON-PROFIT CORPORATIONS.
SO DO THEY FALL UNDER THE, THE GUISE OF RESIDENTIAL OR CAN THEY FALL UNDER THIS OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL KIND OF THING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF CREDITS? BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, THOSE AREAS DO MORE TO HELP REDUCE THE PEAK FLOW THAN ALL OF THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE NO KIND OF CONTROLS IN PLACE.
I THINK THEY FALL UNDER RESIDENTIAL, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S UP TO THIS COMMITTEE AND IF YOU WANT TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO BLOCK THOSE OUT AND MAKE IT TO WHERE THOSE FALL IN, THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND IF WE NEED A MOTION, WE NEED TO SAY IT.
AND I THINK IT'S WHETHER THE HOA OWNS IT OR THE INDIVIDUALS, BECAUSE IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHAT I'M DEALING WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS OWN THE PONDS.
SO I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY.
'CAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU, IT DOES A LOT TO, NOT ONLY THAT, WE, WE GET ALL THE, THE LITTER THAT COMES DOWN FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER AND EVERYTHING AROUND, AND WE CLEANED THAT UP OUT OF THE POND.
AND I THINK THIS GOES ALONG WITH, WE WERE HAVING A, UM, A CONVERSATION BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED ABOUT THE QUALITY CREDIT.
AND I'M GONNA GET BACK ON THE QUANTITY IN A SECOND.
BUT IT, SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS THAT TYPE OF THING, THAT HAVE THE MECHANICAL SEPARATORS RIGHT NOW THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE MAINTAINED PROPERLY.
THEY'RE OFFLINE, MOST OF 'EM, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE HYDRODYNAMIC SEPARATORS, YES, CORRECT.
THERE'S 200 OF 'EM, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT OUR RESEARCH SHOWED.
THERE'S 200 OF 'EM AND WE'VE, WE'VE GOT 'EM ALL MAPPED NOW.
BUT YOU'LL SEE RIGHT NOW THAT THIS QUALITY CREDIT, IT'S FOR EXCEEDING THE, THE TREATMENT AND IT'S A 20% MAX.
WELL, ONE THING THAT WE COULD PUT IN THERE IS, HEY, YOU GET A, IF YOU HAVE ONE AND YOU MAINTAIN IT, THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT MIGHT NOT BE A TWO TO FOUR YEAR RENEWAL.
AND IT, AND IT DOES A HANDFUL OF THINGS FOR US BECAUSE IT, IT'S PART OF OUR PERMIT TO GET INFORMATION FROM THEM.
SO WE COULD GIVE THEM A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT, TO DO TWO THINGS, TO MAINTAIN IT PROPERLY AND TO GET US THAT REPORT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE KICKED AROUND.
SO PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THAT, YOU YEAH.
YOU COULD SAY, HEY, IF THE HOA IS MAINTAINING THE DETENTION POND PROPERLY, WHEN IT DOES SILT UP, THEY'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE IT'S BEING CLEANED OUT, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THEN MAYBE YOU, YOU OFFER A SMALLER CREDIT FOR JUST MAINTAINING WHAT YOU'VE PUT IN, BECAUSE THAT'S FAIR.
LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
IT, IT'S ONE THING TO PUT THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT TO IT, IT'S ANOTHER TO MAINTAIN IT, TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
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RIGHT.SO YOU COULD, THAT THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, YOU'RE GIVING THEM A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO MAKE SURE THEIR SYSTEM IS WORKING AS IT WAS DESIGNED.
DON'T YOU, ONE, ONE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THE HOMEOWNER IS PAYING THE FEE.
THE HOMEOWNER PAYS A FEE TO THE HOA TO MAINTAIN THE POND.
THE OA DOESN'T PAY A FEE TO GET A CREDIT ON THE HOMEOWNER GETS, PAYS THE FEE.
SO HOW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT THE HOA IS THE ENTITY IN OF ITSELF TO GET A CREDIT? WELL, I THINK WHAT THE ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHERE THE POND IS ON, UH, COMMUNITY PROPERTY, COMMON PROPERTY, WHATEVER THE THE WORD IS.
AND SO THE HOA OWNS THE POND AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POND.
THE HOA IS GONNA PAY A FEE FOR ANY COMMON ELEMENTS THAT IT OWNS ON BEHALF OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IF THEIR FEE GOES UP, THEN IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO THE RESIDENTS.
RESULTS IN LESS LOWER FEES OR NOT RAISING THE FEES RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD ALSO DO FROM A WATER QUALITY STANDPOINT WITH DETENTION PONDS AROUND AQUATIC PLANTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE, THE WORST, THE WORST VIOLATION IS PROBABLY IN PESTICIDES AND STUFF, OR FERTILIZERS RATHER NOT PESTICIDES, FERTILIZERS THAT COME OFF ALL OF LAWNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GO INTO THAT POND.
YOU COULD PROBABLY DO SOME STUFF THERE.
SO THAT SHOULD BE MAYBE A, AN INCENTIVE TO INCENTIVIZE THAT KIND OF QUALITY STUFF THAT COULD.
SO IS THIS THE TIME TO RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD THAT IN OR WHAT, WHAT IS THE TIME TO DO THAT? WELL, I GUESS ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED? SO JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE QUESTION AROUND THIS.
SO THE, THOSE MAXIMUMS, YOUR TEAM THAT EVALUATED WOULD GIVE SOME KIND OF A PERCENTAGE SO YOU CAN GET A MAXIMUM OF 10.
SO YOU WOULD REVIEW THIS THING AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS ONLY WORTH LIKE A 5% REDUCTION.
THAT'S SORT OF WHAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WOULD BE.
THE WAY I ENVISIONED IT WAS THAT IF, IF, IF Y'ALL SAY THEY WE'RE GOOD WITH THESE FIVE CREDITS WITH SOME MODIFICATION, WHATEVER THOSE ARE, THEN WE WOULD GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, HOW WOULD WE ACTUALLY, UH, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT CREDIT WAS MET? WE WOULD PUT SOME, UH, GUIDELINES IN PLACE, WE WOULD GET IT BACK OUT TO YOU GUYS AND ULTIMATELY THE COMMITTEE WOULD, WOULD BLESS IT OR MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REVISIONS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
BUT FUNDAMENTALLY IT'S NOT ZERO OR MAX YOUR PROCESS.
YOU WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF GRADUATED SYSTEM IN YOUR REVIEW.
IS THAT CORRECT? FOR, FOR MOST OF THESE, THE, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT, AT THE CASE STUDIES THAT I SHOWED, THEY WEREN'T, THERE WEREN'T RANGES OF, OF THE CREDIT FOR EACH TYPE OF CREDIT.
SO A LOT OF THE RANGES THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE YOU WANNA SET THAT WE WOULD ADVISE SOMEWHERE WITHIN THIS RANGE THAT WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY SAYING THAT EVERY CREDIT SHOULD BE A RANGE.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME THAT COULD BE A RANGE.
FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU EXCEED REQUIREMENTS BY THIS AMOUNT, YOU GET THIS CREDIT.
IF YOU GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AT THIS LEVEL, THAT COULD BE A HIGHER CREDIT.
BUT MOST OF THE RANGES WERE REALLY KIND OF, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, IT COULD FALL SOMEWHERE WITHIN THAT RANGE FOR POLICY DECISION.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE LISTING AND CREDITS.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A CONSIDERATION, A SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.
IT SHOULD THERE BE A CATEGORY THAT ADDRESSES THAT THAT NOT CAN BE PIGEONHOLED INTO ANY OF THE OUTLINING CREDITS? I, I, I THINK THAT COULD BE A, A SIX OKAY.
AND THE, AND ALL OF THESE HAVE TO BE APPLIED FOR US.
IT'D BE THE SAME THING THAT YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT AND WE'D HAVE SOME, WE, WE ESTABLISHED SOME MAXIMUM.
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LAST QUESTION.I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE THE ANSWER BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF STEPPING WAY AHEAD.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT, GIVEN THOSE CREDITS, SAY WE WILL GO IMPLEMENT THOSE AROUND HOW MUCH THAT'S GONNA COST OR HOW MUCH CREDIT THAT'S GONNA BE? WE DO.
UM, I CAN GO PULL UP MY LAPTOP AND I CAN GET THAT OUT FOR YOU.
BUT YET WE, WE DID, BUT WE, YES.
SO Y'ALL TOOK THE TOP 100 AND THEN YOU PROJECTED HOW MUCH CREDIT THERE MIGHT BE FROM THE TOP 100.
IS THAT HOW YOU DID IT? OBJECT TO THE CREDIT.
UM, FOR THE RATIO CREDIT, IT WAS EASY.
'CAUSE WE HAD THE IMPERVIOUS, THE NON IMPERVIOUS AREA FOR THE, THE PEAK QUAL DIS THE FIRST ONE, THE PEAK DISCHARGE CREDIT.
THAT ONE WAS KIND OF HARD TO QUANTIFY.
WE JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAD AND ASSIGNED THAT PERCENTAGE.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE 30% WOULD QUALIFY FOR THAT.
AND THEN, UM, EDUCATION CREDIT WAS JUST BASED ON THE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA AND THE PARK.
WELL, YEAH, IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY SAYING, OKAY, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE TO ADJUST EVERYBODY ELSE'S THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL RIGHT? KIND OF LIKE A MINI VERSION OF THE ITEP CREDIT, HUH? YEAH.
HE'S JUST SITTING THERE GRINNING.
SO WHILE Y'ALL ARE LOOKING THAT UP, THE GOAL HERE TODAY IS TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION YES.
FOR THIS, THOSE ASSEMBLED HERE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT, UM, YES, IT WOULD, WOULDN'T IT? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH, I GUESS WE UNDERSTAND THOSE ASSEMBLED HERE, MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME BIG DOGS THAT ARE NOT HERE, LIKE BRACK AND LSU.
LIKE HOW DO WE, HAVE THEY TALKED TO YOU OFFLINE? I HAVE, I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ANY, ANYONE OFFLINE.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY THINK OR WHAT, WHERE THEIR HEADS ARE.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING AN ALTERNATE.
I THINK DIRECTIONALLY IS THIS, THE QUESTION HAS TO BE, DOES THIS LOOK ABOUT RIGHT FOR CREDITS FOR THIS PARISH? AND THEN YOU GUYS STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO DO TO, TO FLESH OUT THE DETAILS ON IT.
AND, AND THE DEVIL'S GONNA BE IN THE DETAILS.
AND UM, AGAIN, AND YOU, YOU BROUGHT IT UP, IT'S WHATEVER YOU GIVE IN CREDITS, THAT'S GOTTA, YOU GOTTA GET THAT BACK.
SO WHETHER IT'S THE, THE LOW END OR THE HIGH END, THERE'S SOME, HOWEVER MANY CENTS YOU GOTTA GO UP ON THAT BILLING UNIT TO GET THE REST OF THAT BACK.
SO I EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH PROPERTIES HAS THE BIGGEST NUT HERE.
RATHER YOU HAVE OPTION ONE OR OPTION FIVE.
DO Y'ALL INTEND TO APPLY FOR CREDITS? I DON'T SEE WHERE WE WOULD, WHICH ONE ARE YOU LOOKING AT, KELLY? THIS IS NUMBER ONE.
EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH PROPERTIES.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE WOULD, UH, I DON'T, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE OURSELVES IN OKAY, GOOD CREDITS.
JUST WANTED TO KNOW
IF WE DID INDUSTRIAL CREDITS ONLY FOR EACH OF THOSE THINGS, THAT WAS AT 26TH THEN.
BUT THAT'S AT THE, AT THE JUST ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE IT'S $850,000.
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SORRY TO GO DO SOME MATH.I I GUESS GOING BACK TO IT WHERE EITHER WAY WHERE WE PLAN TO LEAVE OFF TODAY WAS THAT WE WOULD TAKE A BREAK FOR THE HOLIDAYS AND POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, RECONVENE AND IN FEBRUARY, MARCH TIMEFRAME.
IT ASSUMING THAT WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION IF, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A, A FULL RECOMMENDATION.
NOW AGAIN, IF WE GOING BACK TO THE CREDITS, IF, IF Y'ALL SAY YOU COME TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION TODAY OF FIVE, SOUNDS LIKE THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A, A RECOMMENDATION FOR A SIX CREDIT.
BUT HEY, HERE'S THE, THESE WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE SIX CREDITS.
MM-HMM
WE COULD, AGAIN, WE WOULD ESTABLISH SOME, UH, GUIDELINES WITHIN SOME OF THE CREDITS THAT WE WOULD, UH, NEED TO ESTABLISH SO WE WOULD KNOW WHETHER THEY, UH, GET THE CREDIT OR NOT.
AND THEN WE WOULD SEND THAT BACK OUT TO EVERYONE AND THEN WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT AGREED UPON AT SOME POINT AS WELL.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT BLACK AND VEATCH HAS GONE TO ALL THIS TROUBLE, ANALYZE ALL THESE ALTERNATIVES TO COME UP WITH THE SIX FOR BATON FOR THE CITY PARISH.
THEY'RE THE EXPERTS ON THE SUBJECT.
THIS IS, THIS IS THEIR BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND WE'VE ALL AGREED THAT WE DO NEED CREDITS.
'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS HERE THAT, THAT, UH, WOULD BE HURTING WITHOUT THE CREDITS.
IF WE GO AHEAD AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THESE SIX CREDITS FOR THE PARISH, YOUR OFFICE IS GONNA WORK OUT THE DETAILS OF HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE APPLIED AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE, BE MANAGED.
AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THESE, THESE CREDITS APPROVED.
PUT THIS BEHIND US AND LEAVE THE DETAILS TO YOU FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I, I THINK KELLY, DO YOU WANT TO, I THINK I HEARD EARLIER YOU WANT TO ADD SOME THINGS TO ALLOW WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RETENTION PONDS AND THE RETENTION PONDS ARE IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
SO WHETHER THE EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT.
SO WHETHER THE HOA IS JUST DEEMED A NON-RESIDENTIAL OR WE JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT IS RESIDENTIAL, THOSE, THOSE RESIDENTIAL PIECES QUALIFY, HOWEVER THE DETENTION PONDS GET IN THERE.
BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, AND I KNOW ED'S PROBABLY THE SAME, THOSE DETENTION AND RETENTION PONDS ARE HUGE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND KEEPING, HELPING WITH FLOODING ISSUES.
AND THEY'RE HUGE AND THEY HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED AT A COST, WHETHER IT'S THE HOA OR THE PERSON THAT OWNS IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HELPING US.
SO I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD QUALIFY.
I THINK AND THAT'S WHY THE SIX CATEGORY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING BE PIGEONHOLED INTO IT.
THEY NEED TO BE A SIX CREDIT CATEGORY THAT, AND TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT MAY NOT FIT DIRECTLY INTO IT.
MAYBE IT JUST FALLS IN THERE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
I GUESS I, I'M JUST A A, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING A CREDIT FOR AN HOA, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING OR WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING AN HOA TO DO TO GET A CREDIT.
SO IF IT'S FOR ME, IF, IF IT, IF IT MAKES SENSE TO REDUCE TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS WITH SOME OF THOSE HYDRODYNAMIC SEPARATORS, THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GIVE A CREDIT FOR JUST NORMAL MAINTENANCE OF A DETENTION POND.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M WELCOME OPEN TO FEEDBACK, BUT WHAT, WHAT'S Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ON THAT, THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE REGULATIONS, RIGHT.
SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CREDIT IS AN HOA APPLYING FOR OTHER THAN NUMBER TWO, A QUALITY CREDIT? UM, WHAT, WHAT CREDIT WOULD THEY BE APPLYING FOR? WELL, I, I GUESS IT WOULD GO BACK TO QUANTITY AND QUALITY.
THE PEAK DISCHARGE CREDIT, BUT YEP.
MAYBE IT WOULDN'T BE, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE MY NUMBERS, IT'S JUST MY, SO MAYBE IT'S A 5% FOR JUST DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING NOW.
SO IT WOULD GIVE THEM A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO JUST MAINTAIN IT PROPERLY.
SO WE MAY GIVE A CREDIT FOR JUST NORMAL MAINTENANCE OF YOUR DETENTION BOND.
AND THEN SIMILARLY WITH, WITH NUMBER TWO, WE COULD POTENTIALLY GIVE A CREDIT FOR JUST MAINTAINING YOUR, UH, YOUR HYDRODYNAMIC SEPARATOR.
IT, IT COULD BE A, IT, IT WOULD BE MUCH SMALLER THAN THE 20%.
BUT, AND AGAIN, THOSE WOULD BE, HEY, YOU GOTTA GIVE US YOUR REPORT ANNUALLY.
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FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO MAINTAIN IT PROPERLY AND THEN TO GIVE US THE REPORTS THAT WE NEED ANYWAY.SO I THINK THE MOTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FIVE CREDITS THAT WE HAVE TO ADD A SIXTH CREDIT.
OR, UM, UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES SPECIALTY.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT A GOOD NAME FOR IT, BUT WHAT HE SAID
I THINK HE HAD A GOOD NAME FOR IT.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, WHAT KEN SAID.
BUT ADD, ADD A SIXTH FOR, FOR ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT FALL WITHIN THE, THE CURRENT FIVE THAT WOULD, IN MOST CASES WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT TO PROPOSE TO US WHAT THAT, WHAT THEY ARE APPLYING FOR.
AND THEN ADD IN DETENTION PONDS IN SOME FORM OR FASHION IN, IN RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH ITEM NUMBER ONE OR THROUGH ITEM NUMBER SIX, DETENTION, RETENTION, WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING 'EM THIS WEEK.
I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
I'LL SECOND I'M GONNA ADD, SORRY, I'M GONNA ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND, OKAY.
FORGIVE ME IF Y'ALL WENT OVER THIS AND IT'S BECAUSE OF MY TARDINESS AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
AN HOA WOULD GET A CREDIT FROM PAYING WHAT, WHAT, HOW WOULD AN HOA BE CHARGED? WHAT IMPERVIOUS AREA? WHAT IS THEIR STORMWATER FEE? WHAT ARE THEY GETTING A CREDIT FROM FOR, FOR THEIR, WHATEVER THEIR STORMWATER FEE WOULD BE FOR THEIR COMMON AREA.
SO THEY COULD HAVE A STORMWATER FEE FOR, IF THEY'VE GOT A PLAYGROUND THAT'S COMMON AREA, IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME IMPERVIOUS AREA TO IT.
THEY MAY HAVE, IF IT'S HOA OWNED, IF IT'S HO, IF IT'S HOA OWNED.
AND THEN TYPICALLY THE DETENTION PONDS, RETENTION PONDS ARE OWNED BY THE HOA.
ALL, IT'S COMMON BECAUSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S THE IN WE HAVE YEAH.
I HAVE, I HAVE ENCOUNTERED THAT IN A FEW SUBDIVISIONS WHERE IT'S PROPERTY OWNERS GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY.
BUT I GUESS IN THIS, AND I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE SAYING HOWEVER THEY ARE OWNED MM-HMM.
IF IT IS OKAY, PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL, THEN THEY WOULD, UH, GET THAT.
WELL, THEY COULD COME MAKE THE CASE TO YOU.
THEY, THEY COULD COME MAKE THE CASE.
WELL, SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE COME SAY, COME, PLEASE COME TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT IN THE, IN THE SPECIFIC CASE OF THE HOA AND IN, IN MOST CASES, THE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT, THAT COMMENT.
UM, I'M GONNA TAKE A STEP BACK.
CAN YOU REMIND ME, HAVE WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON A FEE STRUCTURE? CURRENTLY WE ARE AT, UH, TIERED RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN WE ARE AT, UM, INDIVIDUALLY CALCULATED FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL.
IS THAT WE HAVEN'T SET A RATE, WHAT'S THE TERM I NEED TO BE USED? THE, THE RATE THAT IS CURRENTLY FOR A LEVEL OF SERVICE.
WE HAVEN'T SET THE RATE FOR A LEVEL.
WE HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING BEYOND THE, THE MINIMUM FOR COMPLIANCE.
WHICH IS OPTION ONE, WHICH IS 26 CENTS PER BILLING UNIT.
I'M WONDERING IF WE AS A COMMITTEE SHOULD LOOK AT ALL OF OUR OPTIONS ON A MATRIX.
AND Y'ALL APPARENTLY THOUGHT OF IT BEFORE ME, SO
DO OH, YOU MEAN THIS IS OPTION 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
AND WHAT EACH OF THESE WOULD PAY WHAT IT WOULD COST.
UM, FROM A, FROM WHAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING STANDPOINT.
I MEANT MORE SO WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS THIS COMMITTEE NEEDS TO MAKE TO GET TO WHAT A STORMWATER PROGRAM SHOULD, WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, LET ME PAUSE 'CAUSE I'M KIND OF THINKING OUT LOUD RIGHT NOW.
THE ONLY THING WE HAVEN'T RECOMMENDED IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AM I ACCURATE IN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE? AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO ADD CAPITAL PROJECTS TO THE, THE FEE AS WELL.
WELL, IN THE LAST COUPLE MEETINGS, I MEAN, WE'VE GONE FROM MEETING ONE TO MEETING EIGHT.
NOW WE'VE GONE FROM, YOU KNOW, THIS BEING PRESENTED IN THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS.
WE WERE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE TO, AT ONE POINT, LARRY SAID, LET'S TRY TO PUT EVERYTHING IN THERE WE CAN WHILE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND I THINK WE SETTLED BACK DOWN ON A MINIMUM
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OR A MIDDLE, A MIDDLE GROUND.THE MINIMUM OPTION ONE WAS BARELY GONNA MAKE A DENT.
AND I THINK WE SAID, LET'S, LET'S GET SOMETHING FROM, LET'S HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW FOR THIS.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE LEFT OFF.
WE AGREED THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS QUANTITY.
IF WE DON'T ADDRESS FLOODING, THIS IS A WASTED EFFORT.
SO BARE MINIMUM WASN'T GONNA CUT IT.
YOU'RE HELPING ME ORGANIZE MY THOUGHTS.
CAN WE THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON CREDITS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE FINANCIALLY? CAN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW MUCH WILL BE CREDITED IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS GONNA BE ON THE OVERALL PROGRAM? THE, THE FISCAL IMPACT ON THE OVERALL PROGRAM.
BUT YOU JUST TOLD US HOW MUCH, WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR OPTION ONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WOULD BE $870,000.
THAT'S FOR THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE.
$850,000 WOULD BE THE IMPACT ON MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AND NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
OPTION ONE ON HERE IS NOT, THAT'S, I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST THE COMPLIANCE ONLY, RIGHT? IT IS.
THE EIGHT, THE EIGHT FOR COMPLIANCE.
IF AT, OKAY, SO THE ESTIMATED CREDITS THAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS IT, IT'S HIGH LEVEL, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE $850,000.
SO WE WOULD'VE TO MAKE THAT UP, I I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING THE SAME NOMENCLATURE HERE.
COMPLIANCE ONLY WAS THE MS FOUR ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF.
RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE MAINTENANCE.
THEN WE HAD A $200 MILLION AND A $300 MILLION CAPITAL PROJECT.
WEREN'T THOSE THE FIVE LEVELS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT? I THINK THAT'S ROWDY'S ASKING THE SAME THING.
WE'RE, WE'VE HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THIS THING, WE NEED TO SORT OF COME TO AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE.
AND SO, WHICH, WHICH IS THE ONE WE'RE PICKING.
I'M LOOKING BACK AT THE, UH, LAST MEETING.
I'M GONNA PULL UP THE, UH, LET, YOU MAY HAVE IT.
I'M, I'M GONNA PULL UP THE, UH, PRESENTATION FROM THE LAST MEETING.
SO WE CAN ALL HAVE THE SAME TERMINOLOGY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT EACH OPTION INCLUDES.
SO I BELIEVE THE WAY IT IS, OPTION ONE IS COMPLIANCE ONLY.
OPTION TWO IS 200 MILLION IN CAPITAL AND MINIMUM COMPLIANT.
IS THAT RIGHT? LET ME, LET ME PULL UP THE, UH, WHAT'S THE, UH, WELL, WE HAD MINIMUM LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE SERVICE.
WE HAD RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE SERVICE, 29 MILLION AND WE HAD $200 MILLION WORTH OF CAPEX.
AND THEN 300 MILLION, RIGHT? LEMME FIND THE, OKAY.
SO IT'S, UH, OPTION ONE IS COMPLIANCE ONLY.
OPTION TWO WHERE THE BILLING UNIT IS 85 CENTS.
THAT IS COMPLIANCE ONLY AND 200 MILLION IN CAPITAL.
OPTION THREE IS, WHICH IS A DOLLAR 10 FOR A BILLING UNIT THAT IS COMPLIANCE ONLY AND 300 MILLION IN CAPITAL.
OPTION FOUR IS COMPLIANCE, MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND 200 MILLION IN CAPITAL, WHICH IS A DOLLAR 30 PER BILLING UNIT.
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FIVE IS COMPLIANCE, RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND 200 MILLION IN CAPITAL.SO THAT'S A DOLLAR 65 PER BILLING UNIT.
SO THERE'S NO 300 MILLION IN THAT ONE THEN? NO, SIR.
NO, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'VE, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE NOMENCLATURE OF WHAT'S IN THERE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S HOW THEY'RE SEPARATED OUT RIGHT NOW.
SO OPTION ONE 26 CENTS PER BILLING UNIT THAT IS COMPLIANCE ONLY.
THAT IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED OR AGREED UPON.
OPTION TWO, COMPLIANCE ONLY WITH 200 MILLION IN CAPITAL.
THAT'S 85 CENTS PER BILLING UNIT.
AND THAT'S THE, THE REST OF THE NUMBERS, I'M ABOUT TO SAY THAT'S ALL IN 2035.
'CAUSE REMEMBER IT RAMPS UP FROM WHENEVER IT STARTS TILL 2035.
OPTION THREE, THE DOLLAR 10 PER BILLING UNIT.
OPTION FOUR IS A DOLLAR 30 PER BILLING UNIT THAT IS COMPLIANCE, MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE AND 200 MILLION IN CAPITAL.
OPTION FIVE IS COMPLIANCE, RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND 200 MILLION IN CAPITAL.
HOW MUCH
HAS ANYBODY MET WITH, WITH EXXON DIRECTLY ABOUT THIS? NO, MA'AM.
I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO.
THAT'S WHAT, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THEY DO, THEY SIT DOWN WITH THE TOP 10, ONE OF ONE ONE-ON-ONE IS THAT EASY AS, OKAY, SO BACK TO THIEVE'S, UM, RECOMMENDATION OR HIS REQUEST THAT WE APPROVE THE, UH, THE CREDITS OR WE CAN, WE CAN WE PROCEED WITH THAT? UM, BASED UPON WHAT HE, WHAT HE SAID, WHICH I AGREE.
BUT THAT BLACK AND VEATCH HAS DONE YEARS OF WORK ON THIS TO RECOMMEND BASED UPON BEST PRACTICES, WHAT THEY THINK WORKS BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
CAN WE PROCEED WITH THE CREDITS? YEAH.
WHAT OTHER INFORMATION DO WE NEED TO MAKE THIS CALL? NOT FOR THE CREDITS.
NO, I DON'T THINK WE DO WE AGREE THAT THE CREDITS ARE CUSTOMARY AND REASONABLE? I THINK THE CREDITS ARE NECESSARY AND WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE ARE GONNA GET ON IT.
CAN WE AT LEAST AGREE ON THAT? I AGREE.
AND THEN IS THIS GROUP READY TO VOTE ON AN OPTION? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
SO WE MADE A MOTION AND AGREED ON THE SIX CATEGORIES.
IS THAT WHAT I JUST HEARD? I THINK, BUT THAT WAS KIND OF A, DON'T MAKE A MOTION TO AGREE ON THE SIX CATEGORIES.
NOT A VERY EXCITING AGREEMENT.
WELL, I, I THINK IT WAS THE COUNCILMAN GODDE ASKED IF WE WERE READY TO MAKE THE, UH, THE DECISION WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS GONNA COST FOR EACH.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT AN IDEA.
YOU JUST TOLD US THAT FOR OPTION ONE IT'S $850,000.
I THINK YOU COULD BACK UP THE ENVELOPE, KIND OF FIGURE OUT YOU DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.
WAIT, DO WE GO TO THE BATHROOM WHILE YOU DO THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
WHERE'S THAT NUMBER COMING FROM? EIGHT 50? IS IT IN, IS IT IN THE CHART THAT IT, UM, SARAH LOOKED AT? SO
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FOR INSTANCE, THE, THE SCHOOLS, WE JUST ASSUMED THAT THE SCHOOLS WERE GOING TO APPLY FOR AND GET THE EDUCATION CREDIT.SO WHATEVER THE SCHOOL'S, UM, WHATEVER THEIR FEE WAS, WE APPLIED THE EDUCATION CREDIT.
UM, THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE, UM, HARDER TO PREDICT, BUT WE, WE JUST USE THE A PERCENTAGE THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF WHAT'S DONE IN YEAH.
IT'S AN ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT.
IS IT, IS IT THE SUM TOTAL OF THE SPREADSHEET? WE HAVE THE SUM TOTAL'S JUST NOT ON THE SPREADSHEET SUM TOTAL OF ALL OF THESE COSTS FROM THE THREE PAGES FROM A, I'LL LET, I'LL LET THERE ANSWER THAT.
LIKE I ADD UP ALL OF OPTION ONE AND IT EQUALS TO EIGHT 50.
DO I HAVE THE, WHERE'S THE EIGHT 50
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS WHERE'S THE EIGHT 50 COME FROM? IT WAS, IT WAS ESTIMATES Y'ALL MADE, BUT WE DON'T SEE THOSE NUMBERS CORRECT.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, ADAM.
THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE TAKEN OFF OF THAT BOTTOM LINE NUMBER IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO, SO IF, IF THE BILLING UNIT IS 26 CENTS, THEN IT MIGHT NEED TO BE 30 CENTS TO MAKE UP FOR THE, FOR THE UH, CREDITS THAT YOU'RE GIVEN.
THE OTHER, THERE'S THE RUB 30 FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, AND IT, IT'LL GO UP FOR EVERYBODY, BUT YES.
IT'LL OTHER PEOPLE, AGAIN, IF YOU NEED A FIXED AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S RIGHT.
THEN YOU GOTTA MAKE IT UP SOMEHOW.
YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA MAKE IT UP.
AND THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA WORK.
AND WE CAN, UH, WE KNOW HOW MANY BILLING UNITS WE HAVE.
THAT'S WHERE MY COMFORT LEVEL DECREASES MAKING THE ULTIMATE.
I'M FINE RECOMMENDING THE CREDITS.
I THINK IT'S A RELEVANT AND NECESSARY PROGRAM, BUT WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT THAT IMPACT IS GONNA BE THE RESIDENTS.
BUT NOW, ONE THING THAT ANA DID POINT OUT IS THAT, UM, TYPICALLY PARTICIPATION RATE IS LOW.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, ON A CREDIT PROGRAM, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYBODY THAT QUALIFIES.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THE RATIO CREDIT, THAT'S AN EASY ONE, RIGHT? YOU JUST, YOU DO THE MATH, YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR IMPERVIOUS AREA IS, YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR TOTAL AREA IS.
THEY EITHER MAKE IT OR THEY DON'T.
AND WE ASSUMED EVERYBODY THAT MATHEMATICALLY WORKED OUT, THEY GOT IT.
WELL, IF THEY DON'T APPLY FOR IT, THEN THEY WON'T AUTOMATICALLY GET IT.
IT, IT COULD BE DEPENDING ON, AND, AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT, BUT MAYBE WHAT THEIR CREDIT WOULD BE, IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH APPLYING FOR IF IT'S A SMALLER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE, THAT WAS ONE THAT WE DID IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THOSE LARGER AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES UP IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PARISH, THAT THEY HAD A BARN IN THE MIDDLE OF 30 ACRES.
SO WE, IT WAS TO ACCOUNT FOR, FOR THOSE SPECIFICALLY.
ADAM, JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND THE, THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE ON THE FLOOR, UM, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE ACCEPT THIS CREDIT PROGRAM.
WE'RE BASICALLY JUST GIVING YOU ALL THE GUIDANCE TO GO AND FLESH OUT A CREDIT CREDIT PROGRAM BASED ON THESE SIX CRITERIA AND FURTHER DEVELOP IT, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
AND OF COURSE, AT ANY TIME, THERE COULD BE A, A CHANGE.
SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, I THINK WE, I THINK AS A COMMITTEE, I THINK WE'RE READY TO GET PAST THAT QUESTION.
SO I'LL CALL FOR THE QUESTION AND UH, AND HOPEFULLY WE COULD JUST HAVE THAT DONE.
I CAN, UH, SO I CAN RUN THROUGH A REAL QUICK, DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THE NO, THE NUMBER YOU WANT, PAUL, FOR THE QUESTION PLEASE.
DO YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT NOW? THE NUMBERS, THE TOTAL NUMBERS, THE APPROXIMATE AMOUNT OF CREDITS BY EACH OPTION.
SO LET ME, LET ME DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE.
WE'VE GOT SO MANY NUMBERS AND SO MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
IF I RECALL TRYING TO SYNTHESIZE DOWN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT OVER THESE LAST, HOWEVER MANY MONTHS IT'S
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BEEN, WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO COMPLIANCE.WE SAID WE WANTED TO HAVE MAINTENANCE INCLUDED ON THIS FEE, CORRECT? YES.
SO THAT'S EITHER OPTIONS FOUR OR FIVE NOW.
SO AREN'T WE REALLY LOOKING AT ONLY FOUR OR FIVE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE WANNA LOOK AT POTENTIAL CREDITS WITH? YES.
SO THEREFORE, LET'S NARROW DOWN OUR FOCUS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO JUST THOSE TWO THAT WE'VE ALREADY SORT OF TENTATIVELY AGREED.
WE WANT TO HAVE COMPLIANCE, SOME MAINTENANCE LEVEL AND SOME CAPEX LEVEL.
AND GONNA TAKE BASICALLY A DOLLAR 30 OR A DOLLAR 65 TO GET THOSE.
THAT'S WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING.
THAT'S WHAT BLACK AND VEATCH AND OTHERS ARE SAYING.
IF WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE YES.
I CAN, UH, THEN I CAN GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS HERE IN A SECOND.
THE OPTIONS FOUR AND FIVE, IF MY VERY QUICK MATH IS CORRECT, OPTION FOUR.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ASSUMING THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT QUALIFY FOR CREDITS, THEY APPLY, APPLY FOR THEM.
SO I, I, UH, REALIZE THAT THESE NUMBERS MAY BE HIGH AND THEY, THEY APPLY AND THEY RECEIVE IT.
THEY, THEY APPLY AND THEY RECEIVE, YEAH.
UM, NOW THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE DETENTION PONDS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO MAY CLOSE, UM, OPTION FOUR, $4.2 MILLION.
THAT WOULD BE, SO IF WE HAD TO MAKE THAT UP, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 16 CENTS ON THE BILLING UNIT.
SO THAT WOULD DRIVE IT TO LIKE A DOLLAR 46.
RIGHT? NOW THERE'S PROBABLY THAT, THAT'S VERY ROUGH MATH.
WE, WE'D HAVE TO REALLY RUN IT BACK.
WE'LL BAR WE'LL, WE ARE BALLPARKING THAT THAT'S WHAT, UH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT ANA DOES.
UM, OPTION FIVE, IT, THE CREDITS WOULD BE $5.4 MILLION AND IT WOULD MAKE A 20 CENT, UM, ADJUSTMENT.
SO WOULD BE THE, THE BILLING YEAR DOLLAR 85.
BUT YOU STILL DO BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA JACK UP OR WHATEVER A MONTH.
I MEAN, SO WHAT'S THE POINT OF JUST KEEPING BUT BRING DAVE'S GOT A GOOD POINT.
Y'ALL LISTEN, DO, IF YOU LOOK AT MEETING SEVEN, WE LOOKED AT THE EXAMPLE STORMWATER CHARGES FOR RESIDENTIAL FROM THE SMALLEST TO THE LARGER, UH, FOR A DOLLAR 30 PER BILLING UNIT, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING IN FROM 57 TO 120 BUCKS A YEAR.
AND FOR THE, FOR THE DOLLAR 65 FOR BILLING UNIT THAT 72 TO A HUNDRED TO UH, A HUNDRED TO 150 BUCKS A YEAR.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR ANYONE TO GET UPSET ABOUT LESS THAN 10 A MONTH.
I MEAN, JUST A FEW CUPS OF COFFEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
WE'RE, WE'RE ARGUING OVER SOMETHING THAT'S DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
I'D SAY WE SHOULD, SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT.
I MEAN, THE BIG THING IS GONNA BE SELLING THIS TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I MEAN, WE'VE SPENT EIGHT TIMES, 3 24 HOURS AT LEAST PLUS EXTRA TIME ON THIS.
MOST OF US AND SOME OF US A LOT MORE STUDYING THIS ISSUE.
AND THE EXPERTS OVER THERE HAVE SPENT YEARS DOING IT AND THEY'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION.
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EN ENGAGE AND EDUCATE THE MAJOR STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS COMMUNITY, GET THEIR BUY-IN.AND THEN EITHER THE METRO COUNCIL VOTES ON IT OR THEY BRING IT TO THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE.
BUT EITHER WAY, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF EDUCATING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE.
UM, AND I AGREE WITH STEVE, IT'S GETTING OUT THERE AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, WHAT'D YOU SAY, 130 A MONTH TO ME AND YOU VERSUS 190 A MONTH OR $210, OR EXCUSE ME, A YEAR.
IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A HELL OF BEANS.
AND AS LONG AS WE PUT IN, IT'S GONNA BE CONTROL, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE HECK IS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND WHY DO I NEED IT? 'CAUSE THAT'S STILL THE BIGGEST NUMBER ONE ISSUE THAT WE AS THE STORMWATER COALITION FACE EVERY DAY, IS LIKE, WHY DO WE NEED THAT? LIKE, WE ARE NUMBER ONE IN RAINFALL.
WE HAVE GOT TO GET STARTED, GUYS.
WE'RE 30 YEARS BEHIND THE BALL.
SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
YEAH, I, I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE PUSHBACK HERE.
'CAUSE I, I, I'LL JUST TELL YOU, YOU HAVEN'T MET THE TAXPAYERS IN CHIN OR OLD JEFFERSON OR
UH, THAT, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO, TO MANY OF MY CONSTITUENTS.
UM, SO I, I'M NOT THERE YET ON SELECTING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR THE CREDIT PROGRAM.
AND I, APO I APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY BECAUSE I AM JUST NOW WALKING INTO THE DISCUSSION AND ADAM REALLY DID NOT BRIEF ME.
ADAM DID NOT BRIEF ME AS TO EXACTLY.
I I READ THROUGH SOME STUFF LAST NIGHT REALLY QUICKLY, BUT I DID NOT REALIZE WE WERE TAKING A VOTE TODAY.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND A CREDIT PROGRAM IF ALL YOU'RE GONNA DO IS JACK UP THE PER WHATEVER COST, AGAIN, TO MAKE THOSE SAME NUMBERS WORK.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T UNDER, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, AND IT MAY BE A DISCUSSION FOR LATER, BUT, BUT I MEAN, I, IF, IF, IF AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED $7.7 MILLION TO DO OPTION FOUR, WHICH IS, UM, COMP MINIMUM LEVEL SERVICE AND 200 MILLION CAPEX.
OKAY? IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED THOSE DOLLARS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE SAYING THE 4.2 IS GONNA BE THE CREDITS, BUT YET YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO JACK UP THE PRICE FROM A DOLLAR 30 TO WHATEVER.
I DON'T, I DON'T GET THE POINT.
I, SO I, I THINK ONE, ONE MAJOR BENEFIT IS MOVING FORWARD, IT PROMOTES GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO IT, IT PROMOTES PEOPLE TO, UH, HAVE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND MORE MAYBE, MAYBE THEY PUT IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT INSTEAD OF JUST POUR CONCRETE.
MAYBE THEY, UH, MAYBE THEY HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE THAN THEY WOULD HAVE BEFORE.
SO IT, IT PROMOTES A REDUCTION IN RUNOFF, IT PROMOTES A HIGHER QUALITY RUNOFF MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.
AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF IN FACT YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THEM THE REDUCED COST, BUT IT SOUNDS, WHAT AM I MISSING? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT GIVING THEM A REDUCED COST AND NOW THEY'VE GOTTA SPEND MONEY TO GET A CREDIT THAT IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THEY DID IT OR NOT.
BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE SAYING, I'M GONNA JACK UP THE PRICE 'CAUSE I GOTTA MAKE UP THAT $4.2 MILLION.
WELL, I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST A AM I, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I MEAN, THIS IS, SOMETHING'S NOT MAKING SENSE TO ME.
WELL, WELL, GOING UP ON IT IS JUST A FUNCTION OF IF SOME OF THE LARGER CONTRIBUTORS PAY LESS THAN, AND WE NEED A, A CERTAIN AMOUNT, THEN THE, THE BILLING UNIT'S GONNA GO UP.
AND THEN FROM, FROM AN EDUCATION STANDPOINT, IT, IT, IT CONTINUES TO PROMOTE EDUCATION ON STORMWATER.
THAT THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE EDUCATION CREDIT.
IT, IT, THE, THE SCHOOLS CAN, CAN START PROMOTING THIS AT A YOUNG AGE ABOUT WHY WE NEED TO, TO HAVE TO PROTECT OUR STORMWATER QUALITY, WHY WE NEED TO DO THINGS A CERTAIN WAY.
BUT IT, BUT IT'S A 10% CREDIT OR WHATEVER THE CREDIT IS FOR EDUCATION, WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS, 25%.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE GONNA GET THAT CREDIT FOR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, 10, 25%, YOU'RE STILL GONNA, THAT PER UNIT COST IS STILL GONNA, IS NOW YOU'RE GONNA RAISE IT.
SO ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE PAYING THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE INSTALLED THESE, THIS GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE OR EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE DONE THE, OR THEY'VE, THEY'RE DOING THE EDUCATION PIECE.
SO TO ME, THAT DOESN'T INCENTIVIZE ME AT ALL TO DO ANYTHING.
'CAUSE NOW I STILL GOTTA PAY THE SAME AMOUNT.
I I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, OR ACTUALLY I'M PAYING MORE.
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IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME AMOUNT BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING A CREDIT OVER WHAT EVERYONE'S PAYING.AND IT BRINGS US BACK TO WHAT BROUGHT US TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHICH IS MS FOUR AND NON-COMPLIANCE WITH DEQ AND EPA.
THEY, FOR 25 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN IN VIOLATION OF THE PERMIT.
THEY FINALLY SAID, WE'RE GONNA CALL YOU ON IT OR TAKE YOU TO COURT, WHICH BROUGHT THIS COMMITTEE TOGETHER AND THE FIASCO WE HAD LAST YEAR, THESE, THESE CREDITS ARE INCENTIVES TO DO THINGS WHICH BRING US IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR MINIMUM CONTROL MEASURES FOR MS FOUR.
WHICH LOOK GOOD ON THE REPORT, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANNA DO.
SO THE MORE, THE MORE CREDITS WE GIVE TO GET MORE POINTS TO OUR BENEFIT ON THE ANNUAL REPORTS TO DEQ, THE BETTER.
INSTEAD OF US HAVING TO DO IT, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT FOR US.
SO LET'S JUST USE ONE PERSON AS AN EXAMPLE AND PICK ANYBODY, UM, LET'S SAY HEC MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
OKAY? THEY'RE GONNA, WE ARE GONNA GO WITH OPTION FOUR.
AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PAYING, THEY, THEY'D BE PAYING $27,035 AND 36 CENTS A YEAR.
AND THEY DO, I DON'T KNOW, THEY DO QUALITY, UM, ENGINEERING TO GET TO GET DOWN BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.
THEY'RE ON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER ARE THEY? PAGE NUMBER, THEY'RE NUMBER 52.
I JUST NEEDED TO FIND THE PAGE.
THEY WERE JUST AT THE TOP OF THAT PARTICULAR PAGE THAT I LOOKED AT.
SO, SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THEY MAKE, LET'S SAY THEY GET A 40% REDUCTION 'CAUSE THEY'VE DONE ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS, BUT THEY STILL HAVE 60% TO PAY.
BUT NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE UNIT PRICE IS GOING FROM A DOLLAR 30 TO, WHAT DID WE SAY? DOLLAR 40.
SO, SO NOW THE 60% THAT THEY'RE STILL PAYING ON GOES UP A DOLLAR 46.
THEY'RE NOT PAYING AT A DOLLAR 30 ANYMORE.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE CHARGING THEM THE SAME AMOUNT.
AND I HAVEN'T DONE ALL THE MATH, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU'RE SAVING THEM ANYTHING AND THEY'RE SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY TO DO THESE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HELP.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO DO SOME OF THIS STUFF.
I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THE CREDIT PROGRAM FROM A, FROM A JUST A PURE NUMBERS STANDPOINT, DOESN'T, IS NOT MAKING SENSE TO ME.
UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY GIVE SOMEBODY THE CREDIT AND KEEP THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WHAT THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN THE SAME, RIGHT? YEAH.
HER, HER, HER ARGUMENT IS VERY VALID.
SO IN, INSTEAD OF TRYING ALL THESE MONKEY NUMBERS HERE, JUST TAKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS, SAY MY, MY, UH, COST IS A HUNDRED BUCKS AND YOU GIVE ME A 10% CREDIT, MY COST THAT I PAY IS 90, $90, 90.
JUST IF I TAKE THAT 10%, BUT WE'VE INCREASED THE BILLING RATE.
SO IS IT TRULY NOW A HUNDRED OR IS IT 115 NOW? AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMIC OR THE MECHANICS OF HOW THE CREDITS WORK VERSUS ROLLING BACK IN AN INCREASED BILLING RATE.
IT, IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO WORK.
I MEAN, COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE US HAVE CREDIT PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY DO SEE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THOSE, AND YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE PARCEL IS NOT PAYING MORE BECAUSE OF THE CREDIT PROGRAM.
THEY REALLY DO HELP, UM, THE SYSTEM AND, AND THE COMMUNITY.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PARCEL, THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, THE AMOUNT OF THE CREDIT, HOW MUCH THE RATE IS GOING UP, THE PARTICIPATION RATE, YOU KNOW, THE MATH THAT YOU JUST WALKED THROUGH, THAT'S THE MATH THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT SIT DOWN AND DO AND SAY, NOW IT'S NOT WORTH APPLYING.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THE PARTICIPATION RATE IS LOW.
BECAUSE PEOPLE DO THE MATH AND SAY, IT'S NOT WORTH IT FOR ME TO MAINTAIN THIS FACILITY.
I DON'T WANNA DO THE CREDIT E EXCEPT IF YOUR GOAL IS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID AND TO, TO HELP US LOOK BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THEN YOU'RE NOT MEETING YOUR GOAL.
I MEAN, LOOK, I, YOU TALK ABOUT WANNA GO EXPLAIN THIS TO PEOPLE,
LOOK, I MEAN,
SO THE REALLY, THE CREDIT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THE CREDIT WAS GONNA BE.
ARE YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS? I WOULD BE VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO LIKE A, A LOW INCOME DISCOUNT SALE ON THE WATER BILL.
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FOR THAT, YOU GET A DISCOUNT ON YOUR BILL.BUT IF YOU GET A DISCOUNT, THE RATE NEEDS TO GO UP TO COVER THAT.
IT'S THE, THE, IT'S THE SAME KIND OF LOGIC FOR THE CREDIT PROGRAM THAT YOU QUALIFY FOR THE DISCOUNT, BUT THE RATE HAS TO GO UP TO QUALIFY TO, TO COVER IT.
SO YOU DON'T GET THE DISCOUNT.
YOU ORIGINALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE GETTING RIGHT WITH THE RATES BEFORE WE IMPLEMENTED THE CREDIT PROGRAM, AND THAT'S GONNA, IT'S JUST, YEAH.
AND, AND LOOK, KELLY, I I AGREE WITH YOU.
FOR US, $120 A YEAR MAY NOT BE A BIG DEAL, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FIXED INCOME.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WASN'T THE ARGUMENT WE WERE MAKING.
NO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE US THAT ARE HOMEOWNERS.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT WE'RE GONNA PAY THE ONE 20, NOT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SAYING WE'RE JUST SAYING THE DELTA AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTION THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE, WHATEVER ISN'T IT'S SELLING THE PROGRAM.
AND GETTING BUY-IN FOR THE PROGRAM, WHICH HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE $50 A YEAR.
IT'S GONNA BE THE PROGRAM IN GENERAL, WHETHER IT'S $2 OR $150 A YEAR, IT'S SELLING THE PROGRAM IS GONNA BE THE CHALLENGE.
AND, AND MAYBE YOU START AT, AT A LOWER LEVEL OF THE PROGRAM.
MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE RECOMMENDED O AND M OR YOU DON'T HAVE THE HIGHER CIP YOU START THERE.
ONCE YOU SEE WHAT THAT PARTICIPATION RATE LOOKS LIKE FOR THE CREDIT PROGRAM, WHAT THE ACTUAL IMPACT IS, THEN MAYBE AT SOME POINT YOU COULD MOVE TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE OR ADD MORE CAPITAL.
AND I KNOW THAT ENTITIES LIKE BRECK AND LSU AND SOUTHERN ARE GONNA BE VERY TUNED INTO THIS CREDIT PROGRAM.
THEY'VE SAID IT FROM THE BEGINNING, CORY SAID IT IN EVERY MEETING.
AND THAT'S WHAT OTHER SIMILAR PARK SERVICES AROUND THE COUNTRY DO.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY HAVE SUCH INCREDIBLE, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS REALLY WITHIN OUR OWN PARK.
RIGHT? SO THAT SHINING EXAMPLE IN OUR UNIVERSITIES, SHINING EXAMPLE OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, YOU GOTTA KEEP IN MIND TOO THAT AS THIS PROGRAM PROGRESSES AND MORE OR FEWER PEOPLE APPLY FOR CERTAIN CREDITS ON CERTAIN PROPERTIES, THE AMOUNT OF LAG IN REVENUE WILL VARY THROUGH THE YEAR.
AND IT HAS TO BE RECALCULATED EVERY YEAR AS TO AS TO HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY NEED TO ACCOMPLISH THE PROGRAM.
SO THE RATES ARE NOT SET IN STONE LIKE FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA CHARGE.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ARGUMENT THAT A HOMEOWNER OR A PROPERTY OWNER NECESSARILY IS GOING TO HEAR.
BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW IS, OKAY, THIS COULD VARY YEAR TO YEAR AND WE COULD RANDOMLY ALMOST CHANGE IT ON YOU.
I, I'M JUST, I, WE TRYING, TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF TRYING AND THROW IT ALL OUT THE WAY.
STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS A UTILITY.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER OUR SEWER BILL.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER THIS JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S SET UP IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED PROFESSIONALLY.
WE'RE AS COMMUNITY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THERE.
WE DON'T REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT'S, OR WE DON'T WANNA PAY FOR IT.
WE, WE GOTTA KEEP IN MIND WHAT, WHAT THE GOALS HERE ON THE NUMBER ONE GOAL HAS GOT US INTO THIS IS MS FOUR NONCOMPLIANCE.
WE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO COURT AND HAVE THEM DO WHAT THEY DID TO US ON THE SANITARY SEWER STICK.
A BIG FINE ON US FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
AND WE PAY THROUGH THE NOSE FOR IT.
AND WE HAVE CONTROL, THEN WE HAVE NO CONTROL.
AND BATON ROUGE HAS A SERIOUS FLOODING PROBLEM.
AND THEN THE, THE LAST FLASH FLOOD.
SO WE WANNA DO SOMETHING TO SOLVE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT IS THE FLOODING.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MS FOUR.
BUT WE GOTTA COMPLY WITH MS FOUR TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OFF OUR BACKS.
THE, THE, THE CREDIT PROGRAM WILL HELP US COMPLY WITH MS FOUR IF WE CAN CONVINCE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN IT.
AND BY PUTTING IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, WE GET THE FLOODING PROGRAM UNDERWAY AS, AS, AS APPROVED BY THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA NOT GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM SELLING IT TO THE PEOPLE IF WE PRESENT IT THE RIGHT WAY.
THE MS FOUR IS JUST A VERY MINOR PART OF THIS.
THE CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO AFTER.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? YEAH, IT'S ALL THE, ALL THE COMMENTS EVERYBODY'S MAKING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THIS THING PIECEMEAL AND WE SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS AND WE THROW SOME FAIRY DUST ON IT.
WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THIS AND THEN WE SAY, OH, LET'S GO BACK AND DO THIS.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE BIG PICTURE YET.
AND UNDERSTAND HOW THIS THING IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO, UH, THE CITIZENS OF THIS PARISH.
ARE THEY GONNA VOTE ON IT OR NOT? HOW ARE THESE CREDITS GONNA BE APPLIED? ARE WE STARTING OFF WITH CREDITS IN PLACE? CAN, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE
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GONNA BE ABLE TO, THEY CAN GO UP OR DOWN ON A YEARLY BASIS.UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE BIG PICTURE YET, ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN BUILDING IT AND WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS EIGHT TIMES ALREADY THAN ANYBODY THAT'S SITTING OUT IN THE PARISH RIGHT NOW.
AND AT SOME POINT WE JUST NEED TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S DO OPTION FOUR.
LET'S GIVE THESE SIX CREDIT AREAS, PUT TOGETHER A STRAW MAN PROPOSAL AND SAY, IF WE DID ALL OF THESE, THIS IS WHAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE CAN START PICKING IT APART AND ASKING SOME VERY DETAILED QUESTIONS.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST BUILDING LAYER AFTER LAYER.
AND, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY WE HAVE TO DO IT.
BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BIG PICTURE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT FOLKS ARE RAISING RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE'RE, AND AND I GUESS MY GUIDANCE IS, IS AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE HAVE TO LAND THE PLANE AND GET ON WITH DOING SOMETHING.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A TERRIFIC JOB GATHERING THE DATA, GOING BACK AND GETTING MORE INFORMATION SO THAT WE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US.
WE JUST NEED TO PROPOSE SOMETHING, SEE WHAT THE WHOLE PICTURE LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN GO BACK AND START TWEAKING IT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M, YOU, YOU'RE HEARING QUESTIONS THAT, THAT FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, FEEL LIKE, WELL, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, SO I'M GONNA ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT LET'S JUST PROPOSE SOMETHING AND MOVE ON, GET A PICTURE, PICK IT APART, THEN WE CAN ASK THEM QUESTIONS.
I STILL DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE, TO THE FOLKS AND SAY, UM, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON IT.
OR IF THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A FEE THAT'S, WE GOTTA ANSWER THAT.
I THINK I, A QUESTION I WOULD, UH, I I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S GOING TO THE VOTERS.
I THINK THAT'S A, THE, THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD BE UNDER RIGHT NOW.
UNLESS, AND SO WE GOT A, WE GOT A, AN ELECTION COMING UP HERE IN WHAT APRIL DO WE WANT TO HAVE IT BY THEN? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST, THE SENSE OF URGENCY WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS WITH A THREE MEETING KIND OF FORMAT YEP.
SEEMED LIKE MID-YEAR WE NEEDED TO HAVE THE ANSWER.
AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO GO AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, LET'S YOU KNOW, LET'S HOLD OFF FOR THE HOLIDAYS AND REGROUP NEXT YEAR.
WE SOLVED FOR TWO YEARS, HUH? WELL, I WON'T SAY WE SOLVED, BUT A SOLUTION WAS PUT INTO PLACE FOR TWO YEARS.
SO, SO WE'RE THE TIMELINE AND THE URGENCY, THE TIMELINE AND THE URGENCY THANK WAS WAS PUSHED BACK A BIT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW, WE FIGURED OUT COMPLIANCE.
YOU COMPLIANCE IS COVERED FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
AT LEAST THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE MADE THAT STATEMENT HERE.
I KNOW, I REMEMBER YOU SAID THAT, BUT I REMEMBER YOU ALSO SAID, YEAH, IT'S TWO YEARS, BUT WE HAVE TO START COLLECTING THAT MONEY A YEAR IN ADVANCE SO IT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU.
SO WE REALLY ONLY HAVE A YEAR.
WE, BUT WE'VE, I GUESS WE'VE GOT, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT PUTTING MONEY IN PLACE BEYOND THAT, BUT WE'VE GOT THE NEXT TWO YEARS COVERED.
AND I GUESS TO ANSWER THE, TO USE IT, IT, IT'S, UH, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE, BUT WE, WE COULD NOT EVEN, UH, WE, WE COULDN'T MAKE THE APRIL ELECTION RIGHT NOW.
I, I, I DO KNOW THE SCHEDULE, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO INTRODUCE BY DECEMBER, UH, THE, YEAH.
IT HAS TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER TO MAKE THE APRIL BALLOT.
SO THERE'S JUST NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA MAKE APRIL.
SO THEN WHEN WOULD IT BE FOR THE FALL, IN THE FALL ELECTION TO BE IN THE FALL AND WE HAVE TO BE FALL.
WHEN DOES IT HAVE TO BE INTRODUCED TO MAKE IT ON THE FALL? I DON'T, I DON'T COULDN'T THAT ISH.
SO I MEAN, WE HAVE THE THREE OF Y'ALL HERE, THREE METRO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I MEAN, IS IT REALISTIC THAT WE COULD, THIS COMMITTEE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND Y'ALL COULD PRESENT IT AND DISCUSS IT AT THE METRO COUNCIL MEETING IN TIME FOR A FALL TO BE ON THE BALLOT? NEXT FALL? NEXT FALL, YEAH, NEXT FALL.
THEY'VE ALREADY SAID WE CAN'T DO APRIL.
SO THAT WOULD BE NEXT FALL IF YOU'RE ASKING ME LOGISTICALLY, IS IT POSSIBLE? YES.
UH, I, I WOULD SAY, HOWEVER, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WANTED TO DO, UH, FINDING THE EXISTING MONEY TO GET INTO COMPLIANCE, UH, IS SO THAT WE COULD BUILD A ROBUST PROGRAM, UH, AND HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IT'S GONNA WORK.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO SEE US GET THAT STAMP OF APPROVAL OR THAT FINAL, YOU KNOW, STATEMENT FROM THE FEDS SAYING, YES, YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE BEFORE WE GO TO THE VOTERS.
UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE VOTERS HAVE CONFIDENCE IN OUR
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ABILITY TO ADMINISTER A PROGRAM.SO I, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE BEFORE WE DO THAT.
WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TOO IS SELLING IT TO THE VOTERS.
AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.
THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE FACTORED IN AHEAD OF PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT.
SO DO WE KNOW WITH THE 200 MILLION CAPEX IS GONNA BE SPENT FOR YEAH, WE DO.
IT WAS, UH, THOSE PROJECTS ARE ONLINE, SO WE, RIGHT.
SO, UH, WE HAVE THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, AND WHAT WE ASKED, UH, HNTB TO DO WAS TO PRIORITIZE THE FIRST 200 MILLION FOR US.
AND WE SAID OKAY THAT, AND WE, WE SAID, GIVE US $200 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS AND $300 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS.
SO YES, THE SHORTER ANSWER IS YES, THERE'S A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE 200 MILLION.
COULD WE MAYBE DO A SIDEBAR FOR ANN AND ANYONE ELSE THAT MIGHT WANT TO MEET WITH HNTB OR BLACK AND BEACH AND YOU AND OR WHOEVER ELSE AND BRING HER UP TO SPEED ON ALL OF THIS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE COVERED IN THESE MEETINGS? YEAH, AND I CAN, I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
I, I THINK THE ANSWER IS, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF THE, UH, AND DOESN'T HAVE TO JUST BE MAKING SURE YOU COULD OFFER ANYBODY COULD ATTENDED THAT MIGHT WANT WE, WE MAY DO THAT.
AND JUST, WE NEED TO HEAR THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
NO, I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF THAT EVERY MEETING THAT WE HAVE, THERE'S, THERE'S THE ABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE INVOLVED IN, IN SOME FORM OR FASHION.
SO I, YEAH, WE WE'D PROBABLY STILL HAVE TO, IT COULD, IT COULD BE AN OPTIONAL MEETING, I GUESS.
ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY, WE HAVE TO START DEVELOPING SOMEWHAT OF A GANT CHART AND A TIMELINE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IT.
I THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN THE MOST, UM, PRODUCTIVE TIME IN THE FOOTBALL GAME IS DURING A 20 MINUTE DRILL.
THEY GOT A GOAL IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING, WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE NEED.
WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN, BUT IF THERE'S A TARGET THAT WE TRYING TO MEET, THEN IT IS PROBABLY A BETTER CHANCE THAT WE, WE CAN MEET IT.
SO SETTING UP THE STAGE AT THIS MEETING, WE NEED TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
AND BY THEN WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE NEED TO GO TO THE VOTERS.
SO, I MEAN, THAT HAS TO BE SCHEDULED.
IT HAS TO BE PUT IN SOME KIND OF TIMELINE AND IT HAS TO BE A GOAL OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN ORDER TO MEET THOSE PARTICULAR OBLIGATIONS.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I GUESS THE EXPERTS CAN HELP DO THAT SO THAT WHEN WE COME TO, EVEN WHEN YOU SEND OUT YOUR, YOUR INFORMATION ABOUT THE MEETING, THE GOAL AT THIS MEETING IS TO ACHIEVE THIS.
AND SO WE HAVE THE THINKING ABOUT HERE'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN ORDER TO MEET THIS DATE.
AND AS COUNCILMAN HUDSON, THERE IS A, UM, THERE IS A WAY TO BACK INTO THE, UM, THE ELECTION TIMELINE.
AND, AND THAT WOULD HELP WITH US KNOWING IF YOU'RE GOING, IF WE'RE GONNA NOT MEET FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, THAT ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO BY NOT MEETING, MEET THAT LIST OF ACTIVITIES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE'RE GONNA DECIDE ON RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING.
THIS, THIS WAS THE LAST THING, WASN'T IT? THE CREDITS.
AND SO WE'RE READY TO SORT OF PUT THIS THING TOGETHER, THIS STRAW PROPOSAL AND SAY, OKAY, HERE IT WOULD BE, AND THEN LET'S START PICKING IT APART.
'CAUSE THERE'S THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID WE'RE GONNA GO FOR FOUR A VOTE, AND ANYTIME WE MAKE CHANGES TO THE STREET FEE STRUCTURE STUFF, DOES THAT JUST GO BEFORE THE METRO COUNCIL? OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE MECHANICS? I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS THING WORKS EVERY TIME WE CHANGE THE FEES, SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO IRON OUT, I BELIEVE.
UH, YEAH, BECAUSE, AND THEN WE NEED TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA NEED TWO MINUTES WINDOW FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WE WENT TO THE SECOND MEETING AND THIS THING DIED AS A FIASCO, UH, ON THE FIRST TIME, WE, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT HAPPEN HIS TIME.
I THINK WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS AND BOTH YOUR MEMBERS OF THE TEAM IN BLACK AND BEACH AND STUFF.
I WANT TO COMMEND ALL OF THOSE FOLKS 'CAUSE THEY HAVE DONE A WELL OF A JOB.
AND WE WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU.
HOWEVER WE CAN GETTING THIS THING ACROSS THE GOAL LINE.
UM, I BELIEVE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT DOES IT HAVE TO CONTINUE GOING TO THE VOTERS? IT, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT'S ON THE BALLOT AND HOW IT'S PRESENTED
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ON THE BALLOT.IT CAN BE PRESENTED ON THE BALLOT SUCH THAT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA BOND THE PROGRAM, THEN THAT, THAT FEE'S GONNA RAMP UP OVER TIME.
SO IF THAT IS CHOSEN TO BE ON THERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO WRITE IT SUCH THAT THE, THE FEE INCREASES AS WE TAKE OUT BONDS.
SO YES, IT CAN GO UP WITHOUT, WITHOUT A RE GOING BEFORE THE VOTERS.
WE JUST NEED TO, WE JUST NEED TO BE VERY MINDFUL IN THE WAY THAT IT IS WRITTEN AND PUT ON THE BALLOT.
SO HOW FAR ARE WE TO FOLLOW UP ON DWIGHT'S POINT? DWIGHT, YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATION UNTIL WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, UNTIL WE GET SOME, UH, FURTHER SIGNAL, I THINK WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO SAY IT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR ABILITY TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
SO WHERE ARE WE IN THAT PROCESS AND HOW FAR, HOW LONG, FAR, HOW FAR AWAY ARE WE FROM THAT? I CAN ANSWER THE FIRST PART.
WE, WE SUBMITTED IT ON SEPTEMBER 15TH.
IT, IT IS NOW IN THE REGULATORY AGENCY'S HANDS FOR, FOR REVIEW.
UM, AS FAR AS TIMING, I, I DON'T KNOW THE, THEY DON'T TELL YOU WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN 90 DAYS, SIX MONTHS.
ANY, YOU HAVE NO IDEA? NO IDEA.
ARE WE DONE? WELL,
THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO PROCEED WITH.
I HEARD A WIMBER, LIKE A WHIMPER OF YES.
THERE WAS LIKE A AGAIN, THAT, UH, SO THE, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO RE, THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE IS TO, FOR STAFF TO CONTINUE DEVELOPING THE CREDIT PROGRAM BASED ON THE SIX CATEGORIES.
SECOND, WITH THE MOTION, UNDERSTANDING THAT PROPERLY.
SECOND, ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED PASSES.
UM, WHAT I THEN HEARD YOU SAY IS WE NEED SOME PROPOSAL THAT WE CAN THEN COME BACK TO YOU.
SO IS THAT A PUT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER BASED ON OPTION FOUR AND FIVE RIGHT.
OR WHATEVER WHATEVER OPTIONS YOU WERE, YOU WERE LOOKING AT, BUT YOU WANTED A, YOU WANTED TO MAKE, OR I THINK I HEARD THAT YOU WANTED TO DECIDE ON SOMETHING AND THEN, OKAY.
IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION, THEN YOU GIVE US YOUR PRESENTATION ON THAT RECOMMENDATION.
JUST FOR CLARITY, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE MY MOTION'S OVER, WE VOTED ON THAT RIGHT? IN THIS, I'M SORRY.
I'M NOT, SO THIS IS THE BIG PICTURE MODEL OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? BUT BUT GO AHEAD.
I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT TO OPTION FOUR AND FIVE BECAUSE IN MY MIND, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN OPTION TO THINK ABOUT MAYBE IN YEAR ONE FOR THE PUBLIC IT IS COMPLIANCE AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM AND START PAYING 26 CENTS.
AND THEN IN YEAR TWO IT'S COMPLIANCE PLUS SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS.
AND SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IN YEAR TWO, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA PAY AN 85 CENTS.
I THINK WE COULD HAVE SOME OPTIONS TO INTRODUCE IT, IT UP AND THEN RAMP IT UP.
AND THEN BY YEAR FOUR OR FIVE WE'RE INTO A CREDIT PROGRAM AND WE'VE GOT A GRADUATED PROGRAM THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND THEY'RE SEEING PROGRESS OF THE 200 OR 300 MILLION THAT WE, THAT WE GET TO, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE BREX OF THE WORLD ARE GONNA START.
SO I, I WANT THAT AS AN OPTION FOR CONSIDERATION THAT, THAT WE INTRODUCE IT TO THE PUBLIC, GET EVERYONE COMFORTABLE, GIVE 'EM CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN MANAGE A PROGRAM AND THEN GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF, YOU'RE NOW AT A DOLLAR 30 OR A DOLLAR 46, THERE'S A CREDIT PROGRAM, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR THAT.
SO, AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A VISUAL OF WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR THAT.
SO I DIDN'T WANT TO JUST LIMIT IT TO FOUR AND FIVE, SHOW US THAT ON A SPREADSHEET AND LET'S MAKE A DECISION.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO,
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FOUR OR FIVE FULLY IMPLEMENTED.AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS VERSUS THE TOTAL DESIGN OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE FOUR YEARS DOWN THE DOWN IMPLEMENTATION.
SO YOU COULD START OFF LIKE YOU JUST FIRST YEARS COMPLIANCE, SECOND YEARS START THROWING IN SOME MAINTENANCE LEVEL AND THEN AFTER THAT CAPEX AND GRADUALLY INCREASING.
BUT AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TELL EVERYBODY, HERE'S WHAT THE PROGRAM IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO COST AND HERE'S THE GUESSTIMATED ANNUAL INCREASE THAT YOU'D EXPECT TO SEE ON YOUR BILLS.
AND, AND AS A, AS A, AS A RESIDENT AND CONSUMER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE 10 YEARS OUT AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW FOR PLANNING PURPOSES.
SO OPTIONS, AGAIN, OPTIONS FOUR AND FIVE.
I THINK THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THERE IS THAT OPTIONS FOUR AND FIVE, THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING, THOSE ARE 20, 35 NUMBERS.
SO THAT'S WITH THE, THAT'S WITH RAMPING UP OVER A PERIOD OF, UM, 10 YEARS.
NO, BUT YOU'RE STARTING, YOU'RE STARTING AT THAT DOLLAR 30 OR WHATEVER FROM DAY ONE? NO, NO MA'AM.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU LAND IN 2035.
SO NOW THE COMPLIANCE PIECE WAS IN THERE DAY ONE, AND THE O AND M PIECE WAS IN THERE DAY ONE, BUT THERE WAS A VERY SMALL CAPITAL COMPONENT IN THERE ON DAY ONE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WITH, UH, WITH BONDS.
YOU CAN ONLY BIND OUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT AT A TIME.
YOU CAN'T, WE CAN'T TAKE OUT THE WHOLE 200 MILLION ON DAY ONE.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOME AND LAWS THAT YOU, YOU GOTTA SPEND X AMOUNT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO THE, THAT PART WAS GONNA BE RAMPING UP.
I THINK THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WHAT WE COULD, IF YOU WANT TO SEE A PRESENTATION THIS WAY WOULD BE WE COULD RAMP UP THE O AND M OVER THE 10 YEARS AS WELL.
AND THEN THAT WAY IT STARTS OUT, UM, AND, AND KIND OF STAYS LOWER AND BOTH OF THEM RAMP UP.
WE CAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT PRESENTED IF YOU WANNA RUN IT FROM BOTH OF 'EM.
SO, SO YOU TALK, I MEAN, THERE COULD EVEN BE KIND OF A PAY AS YOU GO AND THEN A BOND OUT PROGRAM ON CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE MONEY? OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BONDING IT ALL OUT? WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BONDING OUT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THEN, BUT THERE WAS A, AN O AND M COMPONENT OF IT WHERE WE NEED TO COLLECT MORE O AND M DOLLARS AND THAT WE WERE SAYING, OKAY, IF IF WE'RE SAYING WE NEED AN EXTRA 20 MILLION IN O AND M, THEN WE'RE GONNA START COLLECTING THAT 20 MILLION IN O AND M DAY ONE.
I GUESS TO COUNCILMAN GOADS POINT, MAYBE WE SAY WE'RE GONNA RAMP THAT UP OVER FIVE YEARS AS WELL.
AND YOU START OUT WITH, I DON'T KNOW, SIX, 8 MILLION IN O AND M AND THEN YOU GO UP TO THE 20 MILLION IN O AND M.
WE, WE CAN PRESENT THAT TO, AGAIN, IF THE PROMOTE THE, THE CONFIDENCE IN THE PROGRAM.
NOW THE MS FOUR COMPLIANCE SIDE, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE YEARS TO PROVE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PERFORM COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? THAT IS BEING DONE NOW, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT NOW.
SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET SOME, UH, SOME BUY-IN BY SHOWING THAT THAT CAN BE DONE STARTING NOW BECAUSE IT'S FUNDED.
RIGHT? WE, WE ARE DOING THAT NOW.
I'M JUST GONNA, I'M JUST GONNA BEAT A DEAD HORSE.
BUT WE'RE BACK IN THE PLACE WHERE I THINK WE'VE BEEN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW.
AND THAT IS THAT WE ARE ALL, WHETHER IT'S AT THE FRONT OF OUR HEAD OR THE BACK OF OUR HEAD, WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH WHAT THE TOLERANCE IS OF WHAT THE PRICE SENSITIVITY IS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, I LIKE THE SUGGESTION THAT WE OPEN UP CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TOP 10, UM, THE TOP 10 CHARGES, THE TOP 10 PEOPLE WHO BUSINESSES, ENTITIES WHO WOULD BE PAYING, I KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF THOSE ENTITIES ARE, ARE HERE IN, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THIS ROOM.
BUT THERE, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE NOT AND, AND MAYBE DON'T EVEN HAVE A SENSE THAT THIS COULD BE COMING THEIR WAY.
AND, UM, AND THEN I'M, I'M GONNA JUST SAY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO, UM, MEASURE THE SENTIMENT OF THE, THE VOTERS AND TAXPAYERS IN THIS PARISH TO UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT, WHAT FENCE WE SHOULD BE SWINGING TOWARDS.
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ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I KNOW ANNA'S GOTTA GO CATCH A FLIGHT.ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CREDIT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? I WANNA MAKE SURE SHE DOESN'T, UH, MISS HER FLIGHT.
SO BUILDING ON WHAT ROWDY SAID AND WHAT YOU'VE ALSO ELABORATE ON, UM, MAYBE YOU JUST START OFF WITH THE, UH, MINIMAL MAINTENANCE SPENDING AS OUR TARGET VERSUS THE RECOMMENDED.
START THAT OFF AND BUILD THAT UP OVER TIME AND PROVE, YOU KNOW, PROVE THE RESULTS.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, YOU GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL OR INCREASE TO THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL.
SO WE'RE GRADUALLY BUILDING IT UP, WE'RE PROVING THAT WE CAN DELIVER AND HAVING RESULTS, WHICH SHOULD THEN REINFORCE THE ABILITY TO, TO INCREASE THIS OVER TIME.
THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ITERATION OF WHAT MM-HMM.
AND I, I THINK THE, THE SECOND THING THAT HE MENTIONED THAT I DIDN'T MENTION THE FIRST TIME WAS, UM, MAYBE STARTING THE CREDIT PROGRAM LATER ON.
AND I, I, SO FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE, ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THE CREDIT PROGRAM, I GUESS I'D LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT BECAUSE AT THE, MAYBE AT THE 26TH CENT FOR BILLING UNIT RANGE, MAYBE IT DOESN'T, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S LESS, IT'S NOT OVERWHELMING TO THEM.
IT'S LESS OF A BURDEN AT THAT POINT.
BUT WHEN IT GETS TO, WHEN YOU START ADDING IN SOME OTHER THINGS, THEN, THEN THE CREDIT PROGRAM STARTS.
IS, IS THAT PALATABLE? WELL, YEAH, SURE.
LOOK, I'LL TELL YOU, THIS IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AT OPTION FOUR OR FIVE, RIGHT? AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S DECLINING ENROLLMENT IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THERE'S LIMITED FUNDING.
AND SO THIS WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO CREDITS, AS LONG AS WE CAN PAY A LESSER AMOUNT IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL.
UM, AT 26 CENTS, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN OVER A HALF A MILLION, 600, 700,000.
SO, OKAY, SO AT, SO IF WE STARTED AT A LESSER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE THOUGHT WAS WE START OUT AT COMPLIANCE ONLY YEAR ONE, IF I'VE HEARD THAT.
SO, AND THEN GO UP FROM THERE.
SO SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OKAY IF WE DON'T HAVE A CREDIT PROGRAM YEAR ONE, IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING COMPLIANCE ONLY AT YEAR ONE.
I GUESS THAT'S JUST THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
I, I I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BASICALLY THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA AND WHAT THAT BASIS WELL HITS THE BOTTOM LINE.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND HIGHER EDUCATION, I THINK LSU HAD A BILLION DOLLAR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEEDS SOUTHERN HAD $130 MILLION DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEED.
WE GOT PROBABLY 8 MILLION TO THAT NEED AT THE LAST, UH, SESSION.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THOSE KIND OF NEEDS AND ANY, ANY MONEY TO THE BOTTOM LINE HELPS, PROVIDES FACILITIES FOR EDUCATING KIDS.
I THINK WE, WE'D BE WILLING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON HOW WE, WE, WE MOVE THAT FORWARD, BUT, UM, IT IS AN ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE UNIVERSITY.
LIN, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? OKAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OPTION ONE, THE MINIMUM CAUSES, YOU KNOW, $5,700 AND FOR BRCC GROSS TO OPTION FIVE, UH, WHICH IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, $36,000.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE CREDIT PROGRAM, UH, AT THAT, AT THAT LEVEL.
BUT AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, WE'RE NOT AT THE LEVEL OF LSU IN SOUTHERN AND EAST BATON ROUGE, UH, PARISH SCHOOLS IN, IN TOTAL IMPERVIOUS, UH, AREAS, SO, RIGHT.
SO IS THE, IS THAT A, A RECOMMENDATION TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH A, UM, BEGINNING AT COMPLIANCE ONLY RAMPING UP AND THEN ALSO COME BACK TO YOU WITH A TIMELINE BACK INTO A TIMELINE OF WHEN, WHEN DO WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO WRAP THIS THING UP? YES, PLEASE.
AND MAYBE SHOW US, I MEAN, BUILD OUT OPTION FOUR AS WELL SO WE HAVE A COMPARISON.
AND THAT MIGHT EVEN HELP IF AND WHEN WE GO TO THE MEMBERS OF
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THE PUBLIC, SO BY SAYING, LOOK, WE DID A THOROUGH ANALYSIS AND HERE'S ONE OPTION ANYWAY.I THROW A FEW SCENARIOS AT US, BUT THAT GRADUATED ONE WAS WHAT WAS INTEREST TO ME.
AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, WHO CAN MEET WITH THE TOP 10? I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE COVERED 'CAUSE THEY'RE IN THIS MEETING IN THE TOP 10, BUT LET'S SAY FLUSH IT OUT TO THE TOP 15.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM THAT HAVE NOT SAT THROUGH EIGHT MEETINGS AND THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND.
WELL, I CAN, WELL EXON, SO, SO GREG BOWSER IS, UM, WITH THE LOUISIANA CHEMICAL ASSOCIATION.
SO THAT I, I'LL HAVE TO REACH OUT TO HIM AND, AND FIND OUT IF HE'S HAD ANY, UH, ONE-ON-ONES.
OR, OR ANY OF THE, THE INDUSTRY.
AND THEN THE OTHERS WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
I'D PROBABLY GO TO THE TOP 20.
SO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS NEXT TIME, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE TOP, THE OTHER 10 DON'T AGREE? AND WHAT HAPPENS IF IT VOTE VOTED DOWN, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? I'LL HAVE TO ANSWER THAT.
I MEAN, I'LL HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT, YOU CAN'T ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO COULD AT ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THAT, WHAT HAPPENS.
ANYTHING ELSE? MOTION TO ADJOURN.