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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DENNIS.

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ASHLEY, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? WE HAVE

[CALL TO ORDER]

A QUORUM.

I'D DEFINITELY LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

WE'RE GONNA BE LED IN OUR INVOCATION BY THE HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBER SHAUNA BANKS FROM DISTRICT TWO.

UH, AND IF, UH, SCOTLANDVILLE, UH, BOYS AND GIRLS TRACK TEAM ARE NOT HERE TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BANKS WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AS WELL.

COUNCIL MEMBER BANKS.

OKAY, MS. MINISTER TREMAINE STERLING WILL LEAD US IN PRAYER FROM I TALKED TO TREMAINE.

YOU BETTER REPRESENT YOU WALKED RIGHT ON IN THERE, CAME RIGHT ON IN.

LET US PRAY.

FATHER, WE THANK YOU THAT THIS IS THE DAY THAT YOU'VE MADE.

WE REJOICE AND WE ARE GLAD IN IT.

FATHER, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE ASSEMBLED HERE TODAY TO TAKE CARE OF THE NECESSARY ACTIONS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD.

LORD, WE LOVE YOU.

WE PRAISE YOU, AND WE BLESS YOU.

IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

AMEN.

GOOD JOB, COUNCIL MEMBER BANKS, PLEASURE, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

ONE UNDER INDIVIDUAL WITH LIMITED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEM ONE,

[ADOPTION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

APPROVAL AND ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL MEETING OF JANUARY 31ST, 2024, AND THE SPECIAL METROPOLITAN COUNCIL MEETING OF FEBRUARY 5TH, 2024 IN THE GREATER BATTER AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING OF FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024 BY THE COUNCIL, ADMINISTRATIVE TREASURER.

IS ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM? I'LL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE.

SO MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER AMAROSA, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER AKA AND ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED.

ASHLEY, WOULD YOU PLEASE

[INTRODUCTIONS]

READ THE INTRODUCTIONS? SECTION 2.12 INTRODUCTIONS NUMBER TWO, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR PRESIDENT TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES WITH BAKER TEXACO NOT TO EXCEED $200,000 BY EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DIRECTOR.

NUMBER THREE, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR PRESIDENT TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES WITH SOLUTIONS GROUP IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $200,000 BY EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DIRECTOR.

ITEM FOUR, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR PRESIDENT TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES WITH SOLUTIONS GROUP NOT TO EXCEED $400,000 BY EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DIRECTOR NUMBER FIVE, AUTHORIZING SETTLEMENT OF THE MATTER ENTITLED NIA TOM THORNTON VERSUS CITY OF BATON ROUGE AND JEREMY BONNET IN THE AMOUNT OF $500,000 PLUS COURT COST THE AMOUNT OF $44 FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF $500,044 AND APPROPRIATING THAT SUM FOR SUCH PURPOSE BY THE PARISH ATTORNEY.

NUMBER SIX, AUTHORIZING SETTLEMENT OF THE MATTER ENTITLED RAVEN PATAN VERSUS THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE PARISH OF EAST BATON ROUGE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MICHAEL RICHARDSON IN THE AMOUNT OF $75,000 PLUS COURT COSTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $369 AND 44 CENTS FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF $75,369 AND 44 CENTS IN APPROPRIATING THAT SUM FOR SUCH PURPOSE BY THE PARISH ATTORNEY.

NUMBER SEVEN, AUTHORIZING SETTLEMENT OF THE MATTER ENTITLED STATE FARM VERSUS LAIE OSBY AND BRPD CONSOLIDATED WITH WILLIE MCOWEN, B LAIE OSBY AND BRPD THROUGH THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE.

CONSOLIDATED WITH DONALD AND WANDA SANDERS VERSUS THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE, BRPD AND LAIE OSBY IN THE AMOUNT OF $82,500 PLUS COURT COSTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,040 AND 96 CENTS FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF 86 80 $3,540 AND 96 CENTS AND APPROPRIATING THAT SUM FOR SUCH PURPOSE BY THE PARISH ATTORNEY.

NUMBER EIGHT, AUTHORIZING SETTLEMENT OF THE MATTER ENTITLED RASHADA LITTLE VERSUS THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE IN THE AMOUNT OF $65,000 PLUS COURT COSTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $521 AND 76 CENTS FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF $65,521 AND 76 CENTS AND APPROPRIATING THAT SUM FOR SUCH PURPOSE BY THE PARISH ATTORNEY.

NUMBER NINE, AUTHORIZING SETTLEMENT OF THE MATTER ENTITLED TO MARK WELLS VERSUS MAURICE DUKE AL IN THE AMOUNT OF $80,000 PLUS COURT COSTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $989 AND 2 CENTS FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF $80,989 AND 2 CENTS AND APPROPRIATING THAT SUM FOR SUCH PURPOSE BY THE PARISH ATTORNEY.

NUMBER 10, ADMITTING THE 2024 ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE ALLISON SAINT AMA LEAF FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT.

SO IS TO APPROPRIATE $16,970 FROM ALLISON'S FUND BALANCE ON ASSIGNED FOR THE PURPOSE OF A MOTOR MOTOROLA RADIO UPGRADE AND PRESSURE WASHER BY THE ALLISON SAINT IRMA LEE, FIRE CHIEF NUMBER 11, AMENDING THE 2024 ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE BROWNSFIELD FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT.

SO AS TO APPROPRIATE $89,700 FROM THE BROWNFIELD'S FUND BALANCE UNASSIGNED TO FUND EXPENSES OF BROWNSFIELD FIRE STATION NUMBER 72, MY BROWNSFIELD FIRE CHIEF NUMBER 12, AMEND THE 2024 PAY PLAN FOR CLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED NON-CLASSIFIED CONTRACT.

FIRE POLICE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE AND PARISH OF EAST BATON ROUGE.

SO AS TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, ADD NEW CLASSIFICATION, CHIEF PROGRAM ANALYST AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM MANAGER BY HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR NUMBER 13, AMEND THE 2024 ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE CHARLES CHARLES R. KELLY COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO TO APPROPRIATE $25,000

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FROM ANTICIPATED RENTAL REVENUES GENERATED BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR EVENTS AND EQUIPMENT AT THE CENTER BY CHARLES R. KELLY COMMUNITY CENTER.

NUMBER 14:00 AM AMEND THE 2024 ALLOTMENT OF POSITIONS FOR THE CITY OF BATON ROUGE PARISH OF VISTA.

BATON ROUGE SHOW IS TO CHANGE THE ALLOTMENT OF THE MAYOR PRESIDENT'S OFFICE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

DELETE ONE COMMUNITY, DEVELOP MAN MANAGER AND ADD ONE ASSISTANT URBAN DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, ONE CHIEF PROGRAM ANALYST FOUR, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM MANAGER AND TWO SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALISTS BY HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

NUMBER 15, AMEND THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET SO AS TO REALLOCATE $4,263,695 AND 75 CENTS OF THE PROCEEDS FROM THE LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS THROUGH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES AS FOLLOWS, $1 MILLION FOR EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND HOUSING STABILITY, $1 MILLION FOR COMMUNITY VIOLENCE AND OUR VISION PROGRAMS. $560,000 FOR SENIOR MEALS TO BE PROVIDED THROUGH THE COUNCIL ON AGING.

$600,000 FOR PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT FOR THE BAKER POLICE DEPARTMENT.

$100,000 FOR BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS AT THE HUMAN RESOURCES BUILDING $200,000 TO ASSIST WITH HOMELESSNESS THROUGH CAPITAL AREA ALLIANCE FOR THE HOMELESS.

$200,000 IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO OUTSOURCE AND EXPEDITE DNA TESTING OF GUN RELATED CRIMES.

$103,695 AND 75 CENTS FOR POLICE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES AND $500,000 FOR STORM WATER DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS BY THE MAYOR, PRESIDENT.

ALL ITEMS THAT REQUIRE READING HAVE BEEN READ AND A MOTION TO INTRODUCE ALL ITEMS AS IN ORDER.

I ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBER SHOW ME AS ABSTAINING TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, PLEASE.

COUNCIL MEMBER DUN JR.

SO JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARITY, YOU READ ALL THE WAY TO NUMBER NINE.

THE OTHER INTRODUCTIONS ARE NOT PART OF THIS.

YOU READ, YOU READ ALL OF THEM.

I READ THE 15.

THEY JUST DIDN'T MOVE.

THAT'S ALL.

AND 16 AND 17.

YOU DO NOT, WE DO NOT HAVE TO READ ANYTHING THAT'S LISTED UNDER OTHER INTRODUCTIONS.

I ONLY READ WHAT'S LISTED UNDER 2.12 INTRODUCTIONS.

THAT'S WHAT I NEED.

INTRODUCE ALL ITEMS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER 17.

THERE IS A MOTION TO INTRODUCE ALL ITEMS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 17.

SECONDED BY THE CHAIR, PLEASE SHOW COUNCIL MEMBER ROCKER ABSTAINED ON ITEM NINE.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS? ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 17.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU, WE HAVE NO CONDEMNATIONS THIS EVENING.

IF YOU GO TO PAGE 13, UH, TODAY IS ANOTHER SPECIAL BIRTHDAY.

OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR'S BIRTHDAY IS TODAY.

SO I'M GONNA TAKE AN ITEM EARLY SO HIS, UH, GIRLFRIEND CAN TAKE HIM TO DINNER.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GO NOW

[68. 24-00128 ]

TO ITEM 68, CONSIDERING AN APPEAL OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION DECISION IN THE CASE HPC ONE THREE DASH TWO THREE MADE ON JANUARY 23RD, 2024 BY COUNCIL, ADMINISTRATIVE TREASURER REGION FOR EMERGENCY TO ALLOW THE APPEAL TO BE HEARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE UDC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE 1 6 4 4 2.

THIS ITEM MUST BE THE CARRIED EMERGENCY BY TWO THIRDS VOTE OF THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL.

IS THERE A MOTION TO DECLARE ITEM OF AN EMERGENCY? SO MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER COLEMAN.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO DECLARING THE ITEM IN EMERGENCY? WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ITEM.

I DO WANT TO READ SOME INSTRUCTIONS FOR THOSE, UH, SO WE CAN CLEAR ON THESE, UH, VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS. UH, THE APPLICANT IS GONNA HAVE THREE MINUTES TO STATE HIS OR HER CASE RELATIVE TO THE ITEM.

AND THEN IF THERE ARE OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES WHO ARE HERE IN OPPOSITION AND OR IN SUPPORT, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

YOU'LL GET THREE MINUTES.

WE WILL GO WITH THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THOSE WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION.

IF WE HAVE ANYONE WHO IS IN OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO REBUT.

IF THERE IS NO ONE HERE WHO OPPOSES THE ITEM, UH, THAT'LL BE THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, SO AT THIS TIME, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL COME UP AND, UH, PRESENT THEIR CASE.

AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

LAURA PHILLIPS 700 LAKELAND DRIVE, BATON ROUGE.

THANK YOU.

HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE METRO COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

I AM HERE TO ADDRESS A THREAT TO THE PHYSICAL SAFETY OF MY FAMILY AND MY HOME.

THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF OUR HOUSE IS UNSHADED TO THE WEST.

LAST SUMMER, WE WERE UNABLE TO COOL OUR HOUSE BELOW 90 DEGREES.

WE ARE PEELING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION'S DENIAL OF OUR REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM.

UH, SLIDE B UM, IN THE HEATWAVE LAST JULY, THE PRESIDENT ISSUED AN ADVISORY RECOMMENDING PAINTING ROOFS WHITE TO COOL HOUSES.

THE HPC DENIED OUR APPLICATION FOR A-C-C-O-A TO PAINT OUR ROOF WHITE WITH A ROOF COATING SYSTEM.

THIS IS OUR APPEAL OF THAT DECISION.

PAINTING A ROOF WHITE IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO PROTECT A BUILDING FROM HEAT.

IT CAN COOL THE ROOF BY

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50 DEGREES.

THIS PRACTICE IS THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD.

SLIDE C, THE H PC'S DENIAL OF OUR COA WAS UNLAWFUL FOR SEVEN REASONS WHICH WE WILL PRESENT.

SLIDE D FIVE SPANISH TOWNHOUSES ALREADY HAVE WHITE ROOTS, SO OUR PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH SPANISH TOWN'S VISUAL ATTRIBUTES.

SLIDE E ON JANUARY 22ND, DEPUTY PARISH ATTORNEY COURTNEY HUMPHREY, EMAILED THE HPC BOARD STATING THAT SPANISH TOWN GUIDELINES ARE SILENT ON ROOF PAINTING.

YET SHE ADVISED THE BOARD THAT THEY MAY REFER TO A DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR PUBLICATION FOR LEGAL GUIDANCE.

THIS DEFIES LOUISIANA'S CONSTITUTIONAL PROHIBITION AGAINST LEGISLATING BY REFERENCE.

AT THE JANUARY 23RD SPECIAL MEETING OF THE BOARD, SHE ADVISED THE BOARD THAT THEIR DECISION WILL MAKE LAW SLIDE F.

THE UDC ALLOWS RELIEF FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS FOR AN UNDUE HARDSHIP.

I HAVE CHRONIC HEALTH ISSUES AND THERE'S, UM, ON THE SLIDE, THERE'S A, A COPY OF A LETTER FROM ONE OF MY DOCTORS DOCUMENTING THE IMPERATIVE OF KEEPING MY HOME ADEQUATELY COOLED.

AT THE JANUARY 23RD SPECIAL MEETING, MY HUSBAND WENT INTO A HUMILIATING PERSONAL DETAIL ABOUT HOW WE TRIED TO COPE WITH THE HEAT, THE STIFLING HEAT.

THE BOARD DID NOT GIVE THOSE CONCERNS.

A SECOND THOUGHT REVEALING THAT IN ADDITION TO BEING UNLAWFUL, THEIR DECISION IS UNETHICAL AND CALLOUS SLIDE G.

THE UDC REQUIRES THE HPC TO NOTIFY US IN WRITING OF THE REASONS FOR DENIAL LET YET DIRECTOR HOLCOMB'S JANUARY 23RD LETTER DOES NOT DO THIS CONFIRMING OUR IMPRESSIONS THAT OUR DENIAL LACKED ANY VALID LEGAL OR TECHNICAL BASIS AND THAT THE DENIAL WAS INSTEAD ARBITRARY AND PREJUDICED.

SLIDE J MY HUSBAND IS A VETERAN WHO DEFENDED ALL OF OUR RIGHTS IN THE TIME OF WAR.

AS SUCH, IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFF DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO WATCH THE GOVERNMENT UNLAWFULLY AND ETHICALLY UNETHICALLY TRAMPLE ON OUR LEGAL PROPERTY.

RIGHT.

WE HUMBLY ASK THE METRO COUNCIL TO OVERTURN THE HPC VOTE THROUGH THE APPEAL WE BRING TO YOU TODAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM, WE'LL TAKE THOSE INDIVIDUALS FIRST.

IF YOU ARE HERE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM, PLEASE COME NOW.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD IF THERE IS COMMISSIONER SHIRLEY BALLER, IF ANYONE.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO OPPOSITION.

IS THIS IN FAVOR OR, AND, UH, SHE SAID IN FAVOR.

COMMISSIONER SHIRLEY BLEY.

COMMISSIONER SHIRLEY BLEY.

ALRIGHT, WE NOW GO TO COUNCIL.

COUNCIL MEMBER COLEMAN.

YES.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, GRANT THEIR REQUEST.

WE TALKING ABOUT 50 DEGREES, UH, COOLER.

ALL OF US OUGHT TO BE TRYING TO PAINT OUR ROOFS.

WE HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR AGENDA HERE FOR ENTER ENERGY TO DISCUSS ENERGY EFFICIENCY FUNDING.

AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS BE PASSED, APPROVED SO THAT THEY CAN GO AND PAINT THEIR ROOFS AND THAT WE WILL CONSIDER SUCH THINGS FOR OURSELVES.

UH, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN MCC COLEMAN.

THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM SECONDED BY THE CHAIR.

JUST SO I'M CLEAR, IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ANYONE? WE CAN SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER COLEMAN.

SECONDED BY THE CHAIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER MO? YEAH.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW, HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL LIVED AT THIS HOME? GO TO THE MONTH.

YEAH, WE MOVED THERE IN JUNE OF PULL IT DOWN.

2021.

JUNE OF 2021.

WHAT? OKAY.

WAS THE HOUSE IN THIS CONDITION WHEN YOU MOVED IN? YES.

YES.

IT WAS IN THE SAME SHAPE THAT IT WAS IN NOW AS FAR AS IT GOES.

YES.

UM, BUT LAST SUMMER WAS EXCEPTIONALLY HOT.

I I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT REAL ESTATE, REAL ESTATE OR REALTORS OR WHATEVER ELSE, BUT WHEN YOU MOVE INTO A PLACE WITH A, ESPECIALLY A HISTORIC AREA, THEY GO OVER EVERYTHING WITH YOU.

DO THEY TELL YOU EVERYTHING AS FAR AS WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO? AND I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT THAN A HOA YEAH.

BUT WE WERE TOLD THERE'S AN HOA WE WERE PROVIDED WITH THE GUIDELINES.

WELL, I DON'T, THIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

NOT WITH ANYBODY.

THIS IS NOT H HOA.

THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WE WERE TOLD THERE'S A HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

WE WERE PROVIDED WITH THE SPANISH TOWN GUIDELINES.

OKAY.

THE GUIDELINES ARE SILENT ON PAINTING THE ROOF.

AND,

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UH, THE UDC GUIDELINES MAKE CLEAR THAT PAINTING IS MAINTENANCE AND THAT MAINTENANCE IS NOT UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THAT.

NOT UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE H-P-C-H-P-C MAINTENANCE.

NOT OKAY.

AS FAR AS THE COOLING THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE OR PLANTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

Y'ALL WAS AWARE OF ALL THAT? WELL, WE DID NOT KNOW WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE.

'CAUSE WE HADN'T, WE SAW THE HOUSE IN THE SPRINGTIME.

SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, WE DID NOT KNOW UNTIL WE MOVED INTO IT HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS GOING TO BE TO.

OKAY.

I I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE TIMELINE CORRECT BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS, LOOK, I ONE REASON I DON'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A HOA , I'M NOT GONNA HAVE 'EM TELLING ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO AND SO ON.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I RESPECT MY NEIGHBORS AND SO ON AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT, UM, IT JUST SEEMS SOME OF THESE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO TO PURCHASE AND OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T KNOW HOW HOT IT WAS GONNA BE.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME ANSWERS ABOUT THE QUESTIONING OF THE, UM, THE LEGALITY OF THE ADVICE.

SOMEBODY CAN COME SPEAK ON THAT FROM THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO WHAT ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE, UH, YOUR LEGAL ADVICE WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

WHY, WHY AND WHAT GROUNDS ARE THEY SAYING THAT IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL ON? I'M NOT SURE.

OKAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S AN ASSERTION THAT THEY'VE MADE, BUT I, OKAY.

SO UNDER THE ASSERTION THAT THEY'VE MADE, WHAT IS THE, THE COUNTER TO THAT ASSERTION? SO THE COUNTER WOULD, UH, UH, TO THAT WOULD BE, THEY ARE ACTUALLY CORRECT.

THERE IS NO, THERE ARE NO GUIDELINES ABOUT PAINTING ROOF, UM, IN THE SPANISH TOWN.

HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UH, OR THE UDC, HOWEVER, UH, ONE OF THOSE BODIES, THE, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE OR THE SPANISH TOWN PRESERVATION DISTRICT GUIDELINES ACTUALLY REFER TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES AS BY REFERENCE.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE GUIDELINES, THAT DOES SPEAK TO, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE TRIED TO DO.

OKAY.

I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS SHE WAS SAYING THAT, OR, OR, YEAH.

AND THAT'S THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAD RELIED ON AT FIRST.

OKAY.

UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE SHE WAS SAYING THAT YOU GIVING LE YOU WERE GIVING LEGAL ADVICE TO SPANISH TOWN.

YES.

I'M, I'M ACTING AS THE BOARD ATTORNEY.

UM, OKAY.

THIS IS DEANNE FRAZIER.

SHE IS GOING TO BE THE, THE PERMANENT BOARD ATTORNEY FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

OKAY.

SO YOU WERE ACTING IN CAPACITY YEAH.

AS THE BOARD ATTORNEY? YES, SIR.

SO I'VE BEEN GOING TO THE MEETINGS, UH, TO SERVE AS THE BOARD ATTORNEY.

OKAY.

AND SO AT THE MEETINGS WHEN THEY, WHEN THE BOARD ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO DELIBERATE MAKE A DECISION, I LOOKED AT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAD RELIED ON.

AND IN LOOKING AT THAT, THE UDC OR THE SPANISH, SPANISH TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, THEY SAY LOOK TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR GUIDE, YOU KNOW, FOR GUIDANCE.

OKAY.

AND SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR, SO IT'S OKAY, IT WAS OKAY FOR YOU TO GIVE LEGAL ADVICE BECAUSE YOU WAS DOING IT AS THE PRESERVATION AS THE BOARD BOARD'S ATTORNEY.

THE BOARD'S ATTORNEY.

YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

TAKE CARE OF THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL PART.

OKAY.

UM, I'M GOING TO ROLL THIS IN TO THE NEXT FOR A COUPLE THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW IF PLANNING NEEDS TO ANSWER THIS OR IF Y'ALL AS BOARD ATTORNEYS, BUT WHAT, WHAT DOES THIS OPEN UP OR POSSIBLY OPEN UP FOR? UH, WELL, PREVIOUS RULINGS, HAS ANYTHING BEEN LIKE THIS AS FAR AS PREVIOUS AND, AND UPHELD? AND WHAT IS THIS THE FIRST ONE AND WHAT DOOR DOES THIS OPEN? I THINK RYAN CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

OKAY.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REASON APPEALS OF THE DECISION OF THE HPC, BUT THERE HAS BEEN ONE, UH, THAT WE LOOKED AT IN TWO, UH, 2018 WAS THE LAST KNOWN APPEAL OF THE HPC DECISION.

AND WHAT WAS THAT? UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

UH, AN AN, AN OPPONENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, APPEALED A FAVORABLE DECISION OF THE HPC.

AND THAT WAS, UH, DENIED BY THIS BODY.

OKAY.

I'M GONNA GO TO THE WHITE ROOFS.

UM, I'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 HOMES ALREADY IN SPANISH TOWN WITH THE WHITE ROOFS.

WHAT MAKES THIS ONE DIFFERENT? SO THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND BROUGHT UP BY THE APPLICANT

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AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION TO THE HPC.

IT WAS ULTIMATELY DETERMINED THAT THOSE, UH, ROOFS IN QUESTION CAME FROM THE MANUFACTURER ALREADY WITH THAT COLOR APPLIED.

UM, SO IT WAS, IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE A DIFFERENT, UH, CIRCUMSTANCE OKAY.

THAN, THAN WHAT WAS DISCUSSED HERE.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT'S BEING APPLIED SECONDARY OF REPLACING THE ROOF? THAT'S CORRECT.

COUNCILMAN, THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION.

IT'S, IT'S THE FIRST OF ITS KIND KNOWN TO ME.

IT'S THE, OKAY.

SO BACK TO THE BOARD MEMBER BOARD ATTORNEYS, IF THEY WERE TO REPLACE THE ROOF INSTEAD OF PAINTING, DOES THAT MAKE IT LEGAL OR WOULD THAT MAKE IT APPROPRIATE? UH, WHERE IT WOULD MATCH THE OTHER FIVE? I'M, I'M, THERE'S, THERE'S FIVE HOUSES IN SPANISH NOW WITH WHITE ROOFS ALREADY.

THEY WERE DENIED.

THEY DENIED.

DENIED.

DO SECOND, I DUNNO, THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION, BUT WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS A LEGAL QUESTION, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF ROOF THAT THEY PUT ON THERE RIGHT NOW? IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS TO PAINT THE ROOF.

CORRECT.

WHETHER IT COMES I ALREADY DONE THAT WAY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO IF THEY STRIP THE ROOF OR REROOF IT, THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM.

CORRECT.

AND THEY BUY A WHITE ROOF, OR IF A STORM COMES THROUGH, DAMAGES THE ROOF AND IT HAS TO BE REPLACED AND THEY PURCHASE A WHITE SHINGLES TO BE APPLIED TO THE ROOF.

THAT'S OKAY.

WOULD THAT BE OKAY? UNDER THE, UNDER THE STANDARDS, AGAIN, THESE ARE GUIDELINES INTENDED TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO THE HBC AND PART OF THOSE GUIDELINES SUGGEST THAT ROOFING MATERIALS SHOULD BE REPLACED IN KIND, SO AS SIMILAR AS POSSIBLE TO WHAT EXISTED HISTORICALLY ON THE STRUCTURE.

OKAY.

AND, AND LOOK, I I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S INFORMATION.

I JUST, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THE FIVE OTHER HOMES HAVING WHITE ROOFS SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THESE HISTORIC HOMES BEING BUILT.

UM, MAYBE THEY WERE ADDED ON LATER ON.

MAYBE THEY ADDED ON BEFORE THE, UM, THE PRESERVATION SOCIETY, OR IT BECAME BEFORE IT BECAME A HISTORICAL DISTRICT OR WHATEVER.

AND SIR, IF IT'S WORTH NOTING THIS, THIS IS A COMPLAINT DRIVEN PROCESS, MAYBE THEY PUT THOSE ROOF UP.

NOBODY COMPLAINED, BUT SOMEBODY FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE PAYING THEM, SO THEY COMPLAINED.

RIGHT? YEAH.

WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO MAKE THE COMPARISON.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A SECONDARY PROCESS VERSUS ACTUAL REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF.

MM-HMM.

, UM, WHERE THEY WOULD ORDER A WHITE ROOF.

SURE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SEE.

AND THEN, AND POSSIBLY IF THE MEMBERS, IF Y'ALL COULD, UM, AND I KNOW MONEY'S MONEY, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT IF THAT WAS AN OPTION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE THE ROOF REPLACED WITH WHITE INSTEAD OF PAINT IT BECAUSE I, I GOT A FEELING THE NERVOUSNESS IS, AND PROBABLY WHERE THE COMPLAINT CAME FROM WAS YOU'RE DOING A WHOLE NEW PROCESS THAT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT IT'S GOING TO INCUR WITH THE LOOK OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, VERSUS COMPLETELY REPLACING THE ROOF WITH THE DESIGN SPECIFICATION THING.

SO, UM, AND SIR, WHAT I RECALL AT THE TIME OF DELIBERATION BY THE HPC BOARD MEMBERS IS THAT THEY WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE GUIDELINES DO PROVIDE, WHICH IS THAT YOU REPLACE BECAUSE IT'S A HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT THAT YOU REPLACE THE MATERIALS IN KIND SO THAT YOU TRY TO, YOU KNOW, LIKEN IT OR MATCH IT UP AS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND IF YOU ALL WOULD, LIKE, THEY DO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE HBC BOARD HERE, THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.

OKAY.

WELL, I'VE ONLY GOT 32 SECONDS LEFT IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW THAT QUESTION.

'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THESE PEOPLE CAN'T DO WHAT FIVE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY DONE.

AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THESE FIVE OTHER HOMES WERE BUILT WITH WHITE ROOFS THAT EVENTUALLY WEREN'T CHANGED OUT.

AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND IF NOBODY COMPLAINED, IT HAPPENED.

RIGHT.

SOMEBODY HAPPENED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS ONE AND I THINK THE ONLY REASON THEY COMPLAINED WAS IF THIS IS A NEW PROCESS AND THEY'RE NERVOUS ABOUT IT.

SO IF THE BOARD WANTS TO SPEAK ON THAT.

I HAVE, I'M DONE.

I ONLY HAVE FOUR SECONDS LEFT.

COUNCIL MEMBER, I DON'T LIKE TO TAKE UP ALL MY TIME.

I AM A MEMBER OF HBC.

HOLD UP.

HOLD UP MA'AM.

WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, COUNCIL MEMBER MO UH, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER HUDSON.

WELL MA'AM, COME ON UP AND LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

'CAUSE OF 'CAUSE YOU CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION.

I SUPPOSE.

I I HAVE A SIMILAR QUESTION IN THAT.

IS IT THE CONCERN OF THE COMMISSION THAT THERE'S A WHITE ROOF OR THAT THERE'S PAINT ON THE ROOF? IT'S NOT THE COLOR OF THE ROOF.

IT'S THAT THERE'S PAINT ON A ROOF ON A MATERIAL THAT IS NOT TRADITIONALLY PAINTED.

GOTCHA.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL THE, THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU.

OKAY.

UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, TAKE A SEAT.

AND THEN, UH, RYAN, UH, LET'S GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE STIPULATION FROM THIS.

I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS IT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR OR WHAT EXACTLY IS THE STIPULATION THERE? SO, AS IT WAS STATED, UH, THIS TYPE OF REQUEST IS, IS UNIQUE FIRST OF ITS KIND.

SO IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED

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IN THE GUIDELINES IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, THAT THE HBC WOULD TYPICALLY USE.

BUT, UH, AS THE PARISH ATTORNEYS NOTED, UM, WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD.

UM, AND THOSE GUIDELINES ARE TO BE DRAFTED CONSISTENT WITH THOSE STANDARDS.

AND THE INTERIOR DESIGN, UH, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR DESIGN STANDARDS STATE THAT APPLYING PAINT OR COATING TO A ROOFING MATERIAL THAT WAS NOT COATED HISTORICALLY IS NOT RECOMMENDED.

SO THAT ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE, BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES WERE SILENT, WERE PASSED ON TO THE HBC MEMBERS IN THE STAFF REPORT JUST FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO, SO TELL ME, AS A, IF I'M A CONSTITUENT AND I'M NAVIGATING THIS PROCESS, UM, HOW, HOW DO I GO ABOUT FINDING THAT STANDARD? I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN YOU TELL ME TO GO LOOK AT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, HOW DO I FIND THAT, HOW DO I FIND THE SPECIFIC SECTION? WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS? SO IT'S, UH, THERE'S A STATE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

UH, THEY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE AND DOCUMENTS AND THERE, THERE'S INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE.

UM, BOTH, BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I'LL ONLY SAY THAT, UM, I AM A REALTOR.

I DO KNOW ABOUT REAL ESTATE.

I, I, I WOULD IMAGINE DURING THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS, YOU, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE, UH, CONSIDERED THERE ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HEAT WOULD BE THIS EXCESSIVE, CERTAINLY THAT IN THESE OLDER HOMES, THAT KIND OF ISSUE COMES UP.

AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU GUYS ARE EXPERIENCING THAT.

UM, I WOULD SAY MY, MY PROBLEM WITH, UH, THE RULING OF THE COMMISSION IS, UM, THIS ENDS UP BEING A VERY ONEROUS PROCESS ON THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GO IN AND, AND WE'VE GOTTA NAVIGATE A UDC, WE'VE GOTTA NAVIGATE A BUILDING CODE.

UH, AND THEN NOW TO THROW IN A, ANOTHER FEDERAL GUIDELINE ON TOP OF THAT, LIKE AS A, AS A CITIZEN, I, I'M GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE UPDATING MY HOME IN A COST EFFECTIVE WAY, UH, IF I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLY WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS AND KIND OF GETTING THE RUNAROUND FROM GOVERNMENT.

SO THAT'S MY BIG PROBLEM WITH IT.

UM, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION TO, UH, TO, UH, COUNCILWOMAN COLEMAN'S POSITION.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN MENO.

RYAN, CURIOUS, READING THE, THE WRITEUP FROM MS. HUMPHREY, UM, WHEN SHE'S REFERENCING THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S A, B, C, D AND ALL OF THEM END WITH IS NOT RECOMMENDED.

ARE ALL OF THE, UM, ITEMS IN, IN THOSE STANDARDS LISTED AS NOT RECOMMENDED? OR ARE SOME OF THEM DEFINITIVE STATING, NOT ALLOWED? AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE.

SO THEY'RE NOT REGULATIONS, UM, THEY'RE NOT PART OF AN ORDINANCE OF REGULATIONS.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE MEANT TO BE GUIDANCE FOR THE HBC.

SO THEY WOULD ALL SAY, NOT RECOMMENDED.

CORRECT.

NOT, CAN'T DO IT DEFINITIVELY.

RIGHT.

IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED.

CORRECT.

AND, AND, AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE THAT VERBIAGE ALONE TENDS TO GIVE SOME DISCRETION TO A BODY JUST AS WE HAVE DISCRETION HERE TODAY, UM, FOR EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

AND I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, UH, WITH APPROACHING IT THE WAY Y'ALL DID, UH, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN IT SAYS NOT, NOT RECOMMENDED, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BODIES THAT NEED TO EXERCISE MORE DISCRETION AND SOME THAT I THINK SHOULD PULL BACK.

AND SO I THINK, YES, IT'S ONEROUS THAT IT'S LANDED HERE, BUT I THINK THIS MIGHT BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO GO AHEAD AND APPLY DISCRETION.

AND I'M COMFORTABLE DOING THAT, BUT I, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT Y'ALL MADE THE WRONG MOVE AND APPLYING THESE STANDARDS THE WAY THEY'RE BEING READ EITHER.

SO, COUNCIL MEMBER MO, DID YOU GET ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, RYAN? IF YOU STAKE NOT PINK IN THE MIDDLE WHEN YOU GET THERE, BRING COUNCIL MEMBER MO .

NO, I GUESS, I GUESS MY FINAL QUESTION IS, WE WET THIS, THIS ROOFING THING IS BEFORE WE SIT HERE AND, AND, AND LOOK, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT ONE TO, I DON'T LIKE TO OVERTURN BODIES THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND SO ON.

BUT THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION TO BE WOULD, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF I WAS TO NOT MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW, BUT EVEN IF I WAS TO ASK FOR A DEFERRAL, I WOULD ASK THE OWNERS THAT IS A NEW ROOF REPLACEMENT AN OPTION? AND THEN I WOULD ASK THE BOARD IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO LET THEM DO, TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOMES IN THERE.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR RELUCTANCE TO TRY A NEW THING.

UH, UH, YOUR, I CAN'T IMAGINE PAINTING A ROOF.

I'D HAVE TO SEE THAT WHOLE PROCESS, UM, AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND SO ON.

AND I CAN IMAGINE YOUR RELUCTANCE

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TO SEE IN THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY TWO QUESTIONS TO THE OWNER, IF THAT IS A CONSIDERATION, IF YOU GOT, IF YOU WANTED TO GET A PRICE, IF YOU WANTED TO CHECK ON IT AND TO THE BOARD, UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER CONSIDERING THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THE HOME AND EVERYTHING AND THE HEAT.

WELL, THE, WE WOULD CONSIDER IT, BUT THE ROOF IS RELATIVELY NEW.

IT'S LIKE SEVEN YEARS, 30 YEAR ROOF.

SO THAT'D BE AN ENORMOUS EXPENSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE ATTRACTION OF THIS.

SURE, SURE.

WELL, THE, THE ROOFING MATERIALS THEMSELVES ARE A HISTORIC, THEY WERE ALREADY, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, SHINGLES WERE ALREADY REPLACED.

THESE ARE MODERN ASPHALT SHINGLES.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, THEY WERE ALREADY A HISTORIC, AS WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE DORMER IN THE FRONT OF IT.

UM, REGARDING THE REFERENCE TO THE, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES, I HAVE THE UDC RIGHT HERE.

I COULD READ IT.

UH, OKAY.

UH, UH, JUST MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD CONSIDER? WE'D CONSIDER IT AFTER GETTING A PRICE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE AND TO THE BOARD.

IS IT SOMETHING THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER LETTING THEM DO? I DON'T WANT THEM TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS AND EVERYTHING THEY GET ACROSS, THEY GET PRICE.

THEY GO TO Y'ALL AND SAY, LOOK, WE GOT THIS PRICE.

IT'S TOO HIGH.

WE'RE GONNA BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET OVERTURNED.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL ALLOW, HEY, THEY ACCEPT THE PRICE, THE QUOTE THAT THEY GOT, THEY'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP ACCOMMODATE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND KEEP IT IN PLAY OF WHERE IT'S AT.

AND I DON'T WANT THE BOARD GOING AFTER 'EM.

OH NO, WE'RE STILL NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT.

SO THAT'S MY QUESTION TO THE BOARD.

IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER LETTING THEM REPLACE THEIR ROOF WITH THE WHITE STUFF IF THE QUOTE COMES IN SUSTAINABLE? AND FOR THEM, MR. MO, I'M GONNA CAUTION, UM, ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD FROM GETTING UP TO MAKE A, A DEFINITIVE STATEMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON WHAT A BOARD WOULD DO WHEN WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEMBER.

THERE'S SOME OPEN MEETINGS ISSUES WITH, WITH, WITH THAT.

THANK YOU.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS FOR ONE MEETING.

AND I KNOW WE'RE COMING BACK NEXT WEEK, UM, JUST TO LET THEM GET A QUOTE.

LET THEM SPEAK TO THE BOARD.

IF THAT'S MS. MS. CAROLYN WOULD LIKE, IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

YOU ALL TAKE YOUR SEATS UNTIL YOU FALL BACK UP.

WE GONNA GO, WE GOTTA DO 30 MINUTES.

COUNCIL MEMBER BANKS.

SO I THINK, AND NOT ONLY, UM, I THINK SO OFTEN PEOPLE GET CAUGHT UP IN WHAT CHARACTER MEANS, WHAT HISTORIC DISTRICT ALLOWS, WHAT AMBIENCE MEAN.

AND BASICALLY THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT HAS TO DO WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MATERIAL.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COLOR.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WHETHER YOUR GARAGE IS ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK, WHETHER YOU HAVE A SWIMMING POOL, WHETHER YOU'RE NOT.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

UH, AN EXAMPLE AS IT RELATES TO ROOFING, AS IT FOR, UH, A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE IF ALL THE ROOFS HAVE A PITCH AND SOMEBODY COMES IN, THEY WANT A FLAT, IT'S NOT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MATERIAL, THE COLOR, WHETHER OR NOT YOU USE WOOD PANELING.

UM, WHETHER YOU, NONE OF THAT MATTERS.

IT IS ONLY TO, BECAUSE FOR ONE THING, NOT ONLY WEATHER, BUT MATERIAL GET OUTDATED.

UM, ALL KIND OF MATERIALS CONSTANTLY CHANGE.

IT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH THE MATERIAL.

IT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH IF HE WANTED.

THEY DON'T EVEN NEED A REASON TO PAINT THEIR WOUND.

'CAUSE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHARACTER.

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AMBIENCE.

IT ONLY IF HE WANTED, HE WAS GONNA, IF ALL THE HOUSES, UH, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HE WANTED TO DO, MAKE A HAY, MAKE HIS, UH, ROOF OUT HAY OR OUT OF WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE? SO, YOU KNOW, OUTTA WOOD COLOR TERRA OR EVEN TERRACOTTA, THE COLOR TERRACOTTA IS FINE.

THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND SO OFTEN WE DO THIS OVERKILL BECAUSE WE, IF IT HAD, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USE, UH, UM, MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SOMEBODY BUYS A HOUSE AND THEY OPEN A DAYCARE THAT'S MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER.

OR IF, UH, EVERY HOUSE IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE BACK IN THE SIXTIES AND SOMEBODY DECIDE TO PUT A, A MANSION AT THE TOP, YOU KNOW, A TWO STORE.

IF ALL, EVERYTHING ONE STORE, SOMEBODY DECIDES TO DO A TWO STORY OR, UM, THE FARM, UH, EVERYBODY HAVE ENCLOSED GARAGE, BUT THIS PERSON WANTS THEIRS SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE.

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THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A CHARACTER.

NOT THE COLOR, NOT THE MATERIAL THAT THEY USE.

UNLESS IT IS LIKE CRAZY.

AND I, WE WE'RE, YOU, WE ARE MISINTERPRETED AND WE'RE DOING OVERKILL ON A WHITE ROOF, WHICH NOTHING IS WRONG WITH.

IT HAS NOTHING IF JUST IF THEY WANT A WHITE ROOF BECAUSE THEY WANT A WHITE ROOF, THEY DON'T HAVE TO, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S 20 DEGREES.

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHARACTER.

THAT HAS TO DO WITH UNIQUENESS AND DISTINCTION.

AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT DOES THAT IS ALLOWED, IF THEY WANTED TO PAINT ALL OF, IF EVERYBODY ELSE HAD, THEY SAID DIDN'T HAVE GRASS IN THE FRONT, AND THEY DECIDED TO PUT A FLOWER BED THAT THEY COULD DO THAT WE DON'T, OUR UNDERSTANDING OF, OF CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC, YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR WINDOWS, YOU COULD DO A LOT OF THINGS.

MOST OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BACK IN THE DAY, THEY HAD WINDOWS THAT WERE LIKE FOUR INCHES LONG, WHERE IF SOMEBODY COMES IN, THEY WANNA MAKE IT 12 BECAUSE NOW IT'S SAFE.

AND YOU, IF A HOUSE CATCH ON FIRE, YOU CAN'T GET OUT.

YOU CAN'T, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NOT GONNA CHANGE YOU FROM, UM, LENGTHENING YOUR WINDOWS IN, IN 2024.

COME ON FOLKS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE WITH THE MOTION OF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CALL FOR, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UH, TO APPROVE AS IS, I MEAN TO OVERTURN.

CORRECT.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND THERE'S A SECOND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ADAMS. MM-HMM.

DID, DID, WAS THERE A SECOND ON THE SUBSTITUTE? NO, I DON'T KNOW.

NO, I THINK SOMEBODY STARTED TALKING BEFORE WE COULD ASK FOR IT.

I'LL SECOND THE SUBSTITUTE SECOND ON THE SUBSTITUTE BY COUNCILMAN MADAMS. COUNCILMAN ADAMS? I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY.

THERE RESPOND.

UM, I'D LIKE TO OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, FROM, FOR THE LADY FROM THE HPC TO COME UP AND JUST, UM, KIND OF JUST LET US KNOW WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS, WHAT THE VOTE WAS.

UM, YOU MADE IT ALL THE WAY HERE.

I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU.

UM, YES.

UM, I AM A MEMBER OF THE HPC.

MY NAME IS AMY FRANON.

I DO LIVE IN SPANISH TOWN.

UM, THE ISSUE IS NOT THAT THEY WANT A WHITE ROOF.

IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO PAINT THE ROOF WHITE.

AND THAT IS NOT AN A, IT IS NOT A TRADITIONAL USE OR TRADITIONAL WAY TO TREAT ROOFING MATERIAL IS TO PAINT IT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE PROBLEM.

UM, I AM SENSITIVE.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE HOUSE IS HOT PROFESSIONALLY.

I DO NOT THINK THAT THE WHITE PAINT IS GOING TO GIVE THEM THE RESULTS THAT THEY WANT.

UH, AS A, I AM AN ARCHITECT, THAT IS MY BACKGROUND, AND I DO WORK IN CONSTRUCTION AT PRESENT.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH PAINT AND MATERIAL AND SO FORTH, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA GIVE THEM THE RESULTS THAT THEY WANT.

I ALSO NOTE THAT THIS HOUSE, WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES FROM THE PAST.

THIS ROOF LINE OF THIS HOUSE WAS CHANGED SOME YEARS AGO, AND MAYBE LIKE 15 OR SO YEARS AGO, THE ROOF LINE CHANGED THAT SOMEONE AT ONE POINT REMOVED THE DORMERS.

I THINK THERE IS A GREATER PROBLEM TO THE HOUSE OVERHEATING THEN THE MATERIAL OF THE ROOF.

IF THOSE DORMERS WEREN'T, IF THAT DORMER WASN'T REMOVED AND THE ROOF VENTS WEREN'T REMOVED, I DO BELIEVE THE HOUSE WOULD BE COOLING MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN IT IS NOW.

WHAT WAS THE VOTE? THAT WAS, UH, TWO, TWO PEOPLE VOTED TO, UH, WANTED TO PASS IT AND THEN THE REMAINDER DID NOT.

SO MAYBE IT WAS TWO TO FOUR.

TWO TO FOUR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FIRST.

THERE'S A MOTION TO DEFER ITEM FOR ONE WEEK MOTION BY MO TO THE NEXT MEETING.

EXCUSE ME, WHICH IS NEXT WEEK.

MOTION BY MOOCH.

SECONDED BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ADAMS. UH, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE MACHINES.

MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE MOTION TO DEFER FOR ONE WEEK.

MOTION FAILS.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE, WHICH IS TO OVERTURN ANY OBJECTIONS? ITEM CARRIES.

WE NOW GO TO ITEM 67,

[67. 24-00063]

RECEIVING A, THE 2023 ANNUAL REPORT FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE EAST FAIR RIDGE PARISH COMPLETE STREET CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON ITS PROGRESS, IMPLEMENTING COMPLETE STREETS POLICY AND IMPLEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE PARISH, INCLUDING IMPROVEMENT, SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY, IMPROVE MOBILITY, SAFETY, ROUTES TO PUBLIC PLACES, AND ACCESSIBILITY IN THE OTHER AREAS IS PRIORITY FOR IMPLEMENTING SAFETY IN THE PARISH AND TRANSPORTATION NETWORK BY COUNCILMAN MCC COLEMAN.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER GODDE.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE REPORT FIRST AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WHO'S DOING THE REPORT? GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M, UH, MARK MARTIN.

I LIVE

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AT 5 0 5 UNIVERSITY WALK HERE IN BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN BATON ROUGE.

AND, UM, I'M ALSO GOING TO BE JOINED.

I'M THE CHAIR OF THE COMPLETE STREET CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AT A LATER ON THE CO-CHAIR, JESSICA KEMP.

WE'LL COME UP TO ADDRESS, UM, ANOTHER ISSUE OR ANOTHER POINT OF OUR PRESENTATION.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR INVITING US TO COME DOWN TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR PROGRESS OVER THE YEARS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

SO, YAY.

UM, I DO WANNA MAKE THIS SUCCINCT AND QUICK, BUT I'M GONNA START WITH A LITTLE PROLOGUE BECAUSE I WANNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE.

SO, WHEN I STARTED IN 1940 WITH THE, UH, THE FIRST TIME THAT THE CITY PARISH PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THERE WAS A CON JOINED GOVERNMENT IN WORLD WAR II, INTERVENED, 1947, WE HAD THE COMBINED GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS WHERE THIS BODY CAME FROM.

1950 WAS THE FIRST MASTER PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PARISH IN 1950.

ALL OF THE TRANSPORTATION COMPONENTS OF THAT PLAN WERE ABOUT AUTOMOBILES AND MOTOR VEHICLES ONLY.

SO YEARS ROLL BY, WE HAVE MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY PLANS.

THEY ALL TALK ABOUT AUTOMOBILES ONLY.

WE GET TO 1974, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, THERE'S A BICYCLE MASTER PLAN.

SO 20 YEARS LATER, THAT PLAN IS APPROVED AND THEN SHELVED.

THEN WE MOVE FORWARD.

IT'S NOW 65 YEARS AFTER WE STARTED OUR FIRST PLAN WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NOTHING BUT AUTOMOBILES.

AND THIS BODY WAS VERY GOOD ABOUT APPROVING THE COMPLETE STREETS POLICY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS YES, THE SLIDE IS UP.

SO THE COMPLETE STREETS POLICY IS A VERY DIFFERENT VIEW OF TRANSPORTATION.

IT TALKS ABOUT ALL ROADWAY USERS, REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY'RE USING THE ROADWAY, NOT JUST IN CARS, BUT ON FOOT, ON BICYCLE IN PERSONAL MOBILITY DEVICES, YOU NAME IT.

THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE FROM THE PRECEDING 60 YEARS OF BEHAVIOR.

I'D LIKE TO, UH, REALLY THANK FRED RAYFORD AND THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT FOR HAVING EMBRACED THESE CHANGES.

SO THE POINT OF THE COMPLETE STREETS POLICY IS TO GO IN AND TRY TO MAKE THE STREETS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE TO USE AS SAFELY AS POSSIBLE.

WE'RE DOING THAT THROUGH ROADWAY DESIGN AND BEST PRACTICES.

AND WE STARTED DOING THAT THROUGH THE POLICY.

BUT THEN THE NEXT YEAR IN 2015, WHICH WOULD BE SLIDE THREE, PLEASE.

WELL, THAT'S BACK.

ONE MORE.

NO, THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT.

SO, UH, 2015 WE GOT THE COMPLETE STREETS CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH HAD BEEN SUGGESTED BACK IN 1996 IN A PREVIOUS REVIEW OF POLICIES.

THIS IS AN ALL VOLUNTEER GROUP THAT IS BROUGHT FROM A WIDE SPECTRUM OF COMPONENTS OF THE PARISH.

THESE WERE INSTITUTED BY ORDINANCE, AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT EVER SINCE.

UM, WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HERE, IF YOU WOULD.

WELL, A FEW.

1, 2, 3, 2.

TERRIFIC.

THANK YOU.

UM, CITIZENS TAKING AN ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT IN THEIR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

SO IT'S STRUCTURALLY IT'S SET UP.

SO THE POLICY IS THERE, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, THEY WORK TOGETHER TO GENERATE THESE OTHER THINGS.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR REVIEWING AND RECOMMENDING ORDINANCES, POLICIES, DESIGN CRITERIA, ET CETERA.

WE'LL TALK IN MORE DETAIL LATER ABOUT RECOMMENDING, UH, METRICS TO MEASURE WHETHER WE'RE DOING SOMETHING OR NOT.

AND THEN WE ALSO PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT TO THIS COUNCIL.

NEXT SLIDE.

THANK YOU.

YOU'LL SEE FROM THIS SLIDE THE, UM, THE SCOPE OF REPRESENTATION FROM THE COMMUNITY.

UH, THERE ARE TWO CITIZENS WHO CAN STEP UP AND ASK TO SERVE, AND THEY'RE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, PRESIDENT.

SO WE'RE NOT ONLY GETTING AGENCIES, BUT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WORKING TOGETHER.

MAY I HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS A DEMONSTRATION, SOME GENERAL VIEWS OF WHAT A COMPLETE STREET MIGHT MEAN.

I WOULD REFERENCE MORE THAN THIS IMAGE.

THE, UH, RECENT WORK ON GOVERNMENT STREET, WHICH TOOK A FOUR LANE STREET, BROUGHT IT DOWN TO THREE, TWO TRAVEL LANES, LEFT TURN LANE BIKE LANES, COMPLETE SIDEWALKS WITH CURB CUTS ALONG ITS LENGTH.

THERE WAS A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THAT PROJECT, AND MANY PEOPLE'S MINDS, THERE STILL IS OPPOSITION.

BUT THE BATON ROUGE AREA CHAMBER JUST RECENTLY PUBLISHED A REPORT SHOWING THAT THAT REDESIGN DROPPED THE CRASH RATE

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BY 50%.

IT ALSO HAD THAT KNOCK ON EFFECT OF INCREASING TAX REVENUES, ABOUT 14% ABOVE THE REST OF THE PARISH.

SO IT'S WORKED.

IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.

THIS IS A, IT ALSO DOESN'T TALK ABOUT HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF REINVESTMENT AND NEW INVESTMENT HAVE GONE INTO THAT DISTRICT FOR THAT STRETCH OF ROAD, IN PART BECAUSE OF THAT ROAD DIET.

IT'S A COMPLETE STREET THAT WORKS, AND IT'S A TERRIFIC EXAMPLE OF HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THERE WE GO.

SO WE, THERE ARE SURVEYS IN LOTS OF PLACES, AND THE FUTURE BR SURVEY ASKED PEOPLE HOW MU HOW LIKELY WERE THEY TO START WALKING AND RIDING BICYCLES IF IT WERE SAFER? NOT SURPRISINGLY, MOST PEOPLE AGREED THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO THAT IF IT WERE SAFER.

MIKE BATON ROUGE DID A SURVEY SOME TIME AGO ASKING THE SAME QUESTION.

THEIR OVERWHELMING RESPONSE IS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO THIS MORE IF THEY FEEL SAFER.

HOW DO YOU MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFER THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION OF COMPLETE STREETS? AND PART OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION, YOU'LL SEE THE MULTI-USE TRAILS HAVE INCREASED BY NEARLY 30 MILES.

SIDEWALKS HAVE GONE UP, WHAT, A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING MILES.

SO WE'RE DOING IT, WE'RE MOVING IT FORWARD.

WE'RE BEGINNING TO AFFECT IN A POSITIVE WAY HOW PEOPLE CAN GET AROUND IN TOWN.

YEP.

OKAY.

SO WHAT HAVE WE DONE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS? WELL, THE UNI UNIT, HMM.

UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS BEEN MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE THESE NEW THINGS.

THE MOVE VR AND THE GREEN LIGHT PLAN PROJECTS HAVE INCORPORATED, UH, TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER.

THE COMPLETE STREETS FACILITIES MOVE VR MORE SO THAN GREEN LIGHT PLAN.

BUT THE GREEN LIGHT PLAN DID USE A LOT OF THE AMENITIES, MONEY TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THE, UH, ACCESSIBILITY AND BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S HOT.

WE KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S NICE TO HAVE SHADE.

PART OF THE BEAUTIFICATION IS TO ADD TREES, URBAN TREE SCAPE TO THESE PROJECTS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN BE MORE COMFORTABLE.

THE BRETT GREENWAYS, WHICH IS FORMERLY THE, UH, CAPITAL AREA PARKWAY PLAN, HAVE, UH, ADDED WARDS CREEK PENNINGTON AND IS ABOUT TO MOVE ON ANOTHER MAJOR PROJECT THAT WILL CONNECT, UM, DOWNTOWN TO BLUNT ROAD, MEANING THAT THERE WILL BE SOME TYPE OF FACILITY.

IT'S A MIX OF FACILITIES THAT WILL GO ALL THE WAY FROM THE SOUTH END OF THE PARISH TO THE NORTH END OF THE PARISH.

IT PROVIDES A REALLY NICE SPINE FOR ALL THOSE COMMUNITIES.

ALONG THE WAY, WE ALREADY HAVE THINGS ON THE GROUND THAT GO TO THE EAST AND WEST, PARTICULARLY GOVERNMENT STREET AND THE TWO FROM SOUTH NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST, GOING FROM THE LAKES OUT TO, UH, PERKINS ROAD PARK.

SO WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A BEGINNING.

WE WILL, UH, WE'RE WORKING NOW.

WELL, THE DOWNTOWN GREENWAY HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT, PARTICULARLY THIS LATEST EDITION, WHICH WAS THE LOUISIANA STREET CONNECTOR, WHICH NOW CONNECTS THE GREENWAY TO GOVERNMENT STREET, WHICH MEANS PEOPLE CAN GO UP IN THE LEVEE OUT TO, UH, THE MAIN LIBRARY IF THEY WANT TO.

IT'S ABOUT FIVE MILES, AND THEY HAVE FACILITIES WHICH THEY DID NOT HAVE BEFORE.

WE'RE WORKING ON THE UPDATE OF THE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE MASTER PLAN.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, UH, A MAP THAT'S A SIMPLIFIED GRAPHICAL VERSION OF WHAT'S ON THE GROUND NOW AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO LOOK FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT'LL BE A LOT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT.

WE MENTIONED METRICS, UM, FOR THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BROUGHT TOGETHER, THE COMMITTEE HAS CREATED THIS METRICS LIST.

THERE ARE NO NUMBERS ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST YEAR WE'VE DONE IT.

IT'S A BASELINE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT IN THE ANNUAL REPORT THAT YOU GOT, YOU GOT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE THERE.

BUT WITH THESE IN PLACE, WE CAN NOW TRACK YEAR TO YEAR WHAT PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING IN FAIR AMOUNT OF GRANULARITY.

SO THAT'LL HELP US FOCUS ON WHERE WE NEED TO DO WHAT WORK WE NEED TO DO.

THIS IS ALSO NEW, AND SO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE FROM A CO-CHAIR, JESSICA KEMP, WILL COME UP AND ADDRESS

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THAT COMPONENT.

THANKS, MARK.

UM, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US.

UH, ALL OF THE GREAT PROGRESS THAT MARK HAS, UM, REVIEWED FOR US, UH, THE ORDINANCE IS A NEXT STEP TO INSTITUTIONALIZE THAT PROGRESS.

AND SO THE POLICY THAT HE MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS PRESENTATION WAS ADOPTED AS A RESOLUTION.

IT PROVIDES A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF GUIDANCE AND VISION FOR COMPLETE STREETS IN BATON ROUGE.

UM, AND WE SEE THAT BEING REALIZED THROUGH THE WORK OF THE LAST DECADE.

UM, THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING WILL, UM, CODIFY THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESSES, THE RELATION, THE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND ENTITIES AND THE COMPLETE STREETS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, UM, ALL WITH AN EYE TO STANDARDIZING AND INSTITUTIONALIZING THE GREAT PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING.

AND SO THIS HAS BEEN AN EFFORT, UM, THAT, SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH AN INTRODUCTION.

I'M JESSICA KEMP WITH THE CENTER FOR PLANNING EXCELLENCE AND, UH, I'VE SAT ON THE COMPLETE STREETS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, UM, AND HAVE BEEN INVESTED IN THIS PRO THIS PROCESS AND THIS PROGRESS, UH, SINCE, SINCE THE DAYS OF THE RESOLUTION.

UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN CP E'S CENTER FOR PLANNING EXCELLENCE HAS BEEN DOING KIND OF THE HOMEWORK AND THE LEGWORK.

UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE FULL COMPLETE STREETS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE CITY, UM, SPREAD, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

SO THIS HAS DEFINITELY BEEN A JOINT EFFORT AND THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS NOW IN THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE GO AHEAD FROM THE PARISH ATTORNEY, WE ANTICIPATE REACHING OUT TO ALL OF YOU TO SIT DOWN AND KIND OF GO OVER THIS POLICY AND, AND HEAR, YOU KNOW, TALK WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS AND, AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR INPUT.

UM, AND THEN, UH, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, INTRODUCE IT TO THE COUNCIL FOR, UM, ADOPTION, UH, IN THE SPRING, HOPEFULLY.

DID I MISS ANYTHING? ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE GO TO ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, IS THERE ANYONE HERE? IS, IS THAT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION? UH, I BELIEVE SO.

OKAY.

BEFORE WE GO TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, IS ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? LET'S GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMAN BANKS.

WELL, UM, I, I COMMEND YOU ALL.

UH, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A, A, A REALLY BIG FAN OF COMPLETE STREET ADVISORY.

UM, UH, THEY, YOU ALL ARE BACK ON THE UPSWING.

THEY'VE HAD SOME, UH, A COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE DIDN'T HEAR A LOT.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING ARE IN, UH, FULL THROTTLE.

UM, I GUESS ABOUT WHEN I, UH, THINK ABOUT THE MOVE, UH, VR PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING, UM, ACTIVELY, UH, CONSTRUCTED AND HA AND OVER THE LAST THREE TO FIVE YEARS, AND CURRENTLY THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMPLETE STREET ADVISORY BOARD DURING PROBABLY, UH, 20 16, 15, 16, PROBABLY 15 MM-HMM.

.

AND, UM, SO I, I LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT YOU DO ANYMORE INVOLVEMENT AS IT RELATES TO WHICH PRO WHICH STREETS GET, YOU KNOW, THE STREET PLANS, WHETHER IT'S A BRICK, UM, THE CITY, PARISH, TRANSPORTATION, ALL THAT.

WHAT IS YOUR, UM, INVOLVEMENT AT THE, I GUESS LOW LEVEL, LIKE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? UM, IT WAS REALLY THE KNOWLEDGE I GAINED FROM COMPLETE STREETS TO DETERMINE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF BAD ROADS, BUT THEY WERE LIKE, THINK ABOUT WHERE THERE SCHOOLS, WHERE THERE CHURCHES, WHERE THERE ARE HOMES WHERE THERE ARE SOCIAL SERVICES THAT ARE ALL CONNECTED.

AND IT WAS, IT WAS THAT ADVICE, UM, THAT HELPED ME, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DETERMINE OF A, A LOT OF PROJECTS WHICH WANDS.

SO I WANT TO KNOW, NUMBER ONE, UH, ARE Y'ALL, DO YOU ALL WORK WITH THAT? AND NUMBER TWO, UM, JESSICA, WELL, WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A MEETING AS IT RELATES TO THE, THE, UH, RAIL FROM BATON ROUGE TO NEW ORLEANS.

AND I, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT TRAVEL, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH BEING ABLE TO TRAVEL MORE EFFICIENTLY.

UM, IT'S ALSO ADDS TO ANOTHER MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION.

AND IN SOME WAY I WOULD THINK THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH COMPLETE STREETS.

SO MY QUESTIONS ARE LIKE, ON WHAT LEVEL ARE YOU INVOLVED WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE, UH, ADMINISTRATION REGARDING PRIORITIZING

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WORK, OUR BEAUTIFICATION SIDEWALKS, WHATEVER.

AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS, ARE YOU ALL IN ANY PART, UH, INVOLVED WITH, UH, THE DISCUSSIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE RAIL? HMM.

INTERESTING.

UM, THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

MOST OF OUR WORK DEALS WITH THE, THE EARLIER WE CAN GET INTO THE DESIGN PROJECT ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

SO ON THE ZERO LEVEL OR 10% DESIGN LEVEL IS WHERE WE CAN GET OUR MOST EFFECTIVE INPUT.

THAT'S FOR INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS.

AS WE'RE WORKING ON THE BIKE PET MASTER PLAN, AS YOU WILL SEE EVENTUALLY WHEN WE GET THE MAP DONE, WE'RE WORKING ON, WE'RE LOOKING AT CREATING A NETWORK OF INTERCONNECTED UNIFORM ROUTES THAT WILL GET PEOPLE FROM PLACE TO PLACE IN A SENSIBLE WAY WITHOUT GAPS.

AND THAT PLAYS PART OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR WHERE, WHERE DO THEY GO.

AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THAT, TALKING ABOUT WHICH OF THE, UH, HOW WE DEAL WITH EACH OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT.

YOU KNOW, GRANT, MS. THANKS YOUR MIC.

YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE EVEN THE DRAFT THAT YOU ASKED TO THE PARISH ATTORNEY, I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY HERE HAVE SEEN IT, BUT I'M THINKING ALL OF, UH, I PROBABLY THE LEASTS STUDENT AS IT RELATES TO A MAP AND TRANSFER, BUT A LOT OF, UH, MY COLLEAGUES HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE, NOT EXPERTISE, BUT THEY KNOW IT.

THEY KNOW.

YEAH.

AND SO IF WHEN YOU GO TO THE POINT YOU ARE APPROVING THAT AND IT'S LIKE, LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CATCH QS, YOU, THEY'LL PUT BOOK BY, I MEAN, BUS THINGS AND YOU'RE LIKE, DON'T NOBODY EVEN GO DOWN THIS STREET.

YEAH.

SO ARE YOU COMMUNICATING PRIOR TO THE DESIGN AND EVEN THE CHOICE? YEAH.

UH, I, I THINK THE HABIT AND THE, THE, THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT IN THE PAST IS NOT THAT, UH, THERE WAS SOME