[1. Roll Call]
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I CALL THIS MEETING AT THE MUNICIPAL FIRE EMPLOYEE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD TO ORDER, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? YES, SIR.
MR. JOHN TO PRESENT MR. MICHAEL LENON PRESENT.
DR. ROBINSON PRESENT, UH, ATTORNEY JOSHUA LOUISVILLE.
IT TIME NOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYONE HAVING, UH, COMMENT WILL NOT COME BEFORE THE BOARD? YES SIR.
WOULD YOU REPEAT YOUR NAME? PUT PUT SOME BUTTON AT VERY BOTTOM.
BRIAN BERT BATON ROU FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I'M REQUESTING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE DEPUTY CHIEF'S TEST.
I'M CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF'S OFFICE, UH, IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
MY CURRENT RANK IS DISTRICT CHIEF.
I'M THE LAST PERSON ELIGIBLE TO BECOME ASSISTANT CHIEF.
UH, WHENEVER THE DEPUTY TEST REQUIREMENTS CAME OUT, IT WAS LOWERED FROM BEING A, UH, PERMANENT POSITION TO, UH, SOMEONE THAT HAD JUST MADE IT.
AND, UH, I'M JUST NOT TO THAT POINT YET, BUT I'M THE LAST PERSON ON THE LIST ELIGIBLE TO TAKE ASSISTANT CHIEF.
IS THERE A REASON YOU DIDN'T TAKE THE LAST TEST? NO.
SO WHAT, WHAT, UM, WHAT ON, ON THE POSTING OF THAT LIST, WHAT WAS NOT MENTIONED ON THAT POSTING? UH, IT JUST SAYS ANYBODY IN THE ASSISTANT CHIEF'S POSITION IS ELIGIBLE TO TAKE THE TEST.
BUT, UH, BECAUSE NO ONE WAS CERTIFIED IN THAT POSITION, NO ONE IS CERTIFIED CURRENTLY.
UH, THEY LOWER THE QUALIFICATIONS TO ANYBODY THAT IS, UH, NOT CERTIFIED.
I'M PETITIONING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE TEST BECAUSE I AM ON THE ASSISTANT CHIEF'S LIST TO BECOME ASSISTANT CHIEF.
YOU HAVE PROBATIONAL, PROVISIONAL AND SUBSTITUTE APPOINTMENT.
AND YOU'RE IN ONE OF THOSE THREE? I'M IN, UH, IN A, UH, SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT TO ASSISTANT CHIEF.
CHIEF, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS IN THERE? GOOD MORNING BOARD.
SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, CHIEF AVERITT IS ON A STEPPED UP POSITION.
HE IS A DISTRICT CHIEF THAT STEPS UP DAILY INTO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF'S ROLE.
HE IS NOT ON A SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT.
HE'S NOT ON A SUBSTITUTE APPOINTMENT.
HE'S NOT ON A PROVISIONAL APPOINTMENT.
HE STEPS UP THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
HE IS A DISTRICT CHIEF THAT GETS PAID TO STEP UP ON THE DAYS HE'S SCHEDULED TO WORK.
SO IS THAT HANDLED DIFFERENTLY IN PROMOTIONAL THAN PROMOTIONAL OR REGULAR POSITION? SO DUE TO THE FACTS OF SOME PEOPLE HAD MOVED AND THAT'S WHY WE LOWERED THE QUALIFICATIONS TO PROBATIONARY ASSISTANT CHIEF TO TAKE THIS DEPUTY CHIEF'S POSITION WAS TO MOVE FORWARD TO GET PEOPLE QUALIFIED TO TAKE THE TEST.
'CAUSE NOBODY WAS ON THE CERTIFIED ASSISTANT CHIEF DUE TO VACANCIES.
WE MOVED HIM OVER TO THAT SHIFT.
HE WAS ON, UH, UH, OPPOSITE SHIFT.
HE AGREED TO JUST MOVE TO AN AH, ROTATION OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE WAS ON.
IT WAS NOT A FORCE, IT WAS NOT A PROMOTION, IT WAS A STEPPED UP POSITION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT HE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO APPLY BY THE WAY THE PFS READ? LIKE I SAID, CHIEF S ONE OF OUR GOOD EMPLOYEES.
I'M NOT TRYING TO KNOCK WHAT HE'S DOING.
BUT BY THE PROCESS, HE HAS NOT MET THAT THRESHOLD TO BE PROMOTED TO THAT POSITION YET.
YES, HE WORKS IN THERE CURRENTLY AS A STEPPED UP POSITION, BUT HE'S NOT STARTED THE PROCESS IN THAT POSITION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
SO, UM, TO BE CLEAR, ABSENT THE WAIVER THAT THE DEPARTMENT ASKED FOR LAST MEETING CHIEF EVERETT, IS THAT THE PROPER TERM CHIEF EVER? CHIEF EVERETT.
HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE, IS THAT CORRECT? THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE.
HE IS A DISTRICT CHIEF THAT WE STEPPED UP TO A VACANCY.
IT'S NOT, I SAY VACANCY THAT 'CAUSE THAT GUY IS MOVING AROUND OR OFF ON VACATION OR STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE STEP UP PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY ACROSS
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THE CITY TO FILL VOIDS.BUT BY THE PERMANENT CLASSIFICATION POSITION, HE IS A DISTRICT CHIEF.
AND AS FAR AS, UM, THE WAIVER, WHAT WE ASK FOR IS FOR ASSISTANT CHIEFS, PROBATIONAL ASSISTANT CHIEFS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE DEPUTY CHIEF EXAM.
THAT'S GUYS IN THEIR WORKING TEST PERIOD AS AN ASSISTANT CHIEF.
SO IN TWO DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION AREAS.
SO, UH, BOARD FOR CLARITY, IT SEEMS LIKE ALL WE, ALL WE DID LAST WEEK IS FOR ASSISTANT CHIEFS WHO WERE NOT CONFIRMED IN THEIR POSITION.
WE JUST REMOVED THAT REQUIREMENT.
IS THAT THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
FOR, UH, ASSISTANT CHIEFS THAT WERE NOT CONFIRMED IN THEIR POSITION OR YEAH.
ALL WE DID WAS REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT THAT YOU BE CONFIRMED TO TAKE THE DEPUTY CHIEF EXAM.
SO IF WE GO BACK, IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT NOW, THE REASON WE DID THAT GUYS AND LADIES, WAS THAT WE HAD POSITIONS TO PROMOTE IN AND WE HAD NOBODY DUE TO RETIREMENTS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE NOBODY THAT WAS IN A CLASSIFIED PERMANENT POSITION AS AN ASSISTANT CHIEF.
THE ASSISTANT CHIEF PROMOTES FROM THAT RANK TO THE DEPUTY CHIEF'S RANK DUE TO THE FACT OF THE RETIRE, DUE TO THE ISSUE OF RETIREMENTS, WE HAD NO PERMANENT ASSISTANT.
WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WAS BEING PROMOTED TO BE TEMPORARY OR IN THEIR WORKING TEST PERIOD.
AND THAT'S WHY WE LOWERED THAT TO THE PROBATIONARY ASSISTANT CHIEF TO BE ELIGIBLE TO TAKE THE POSITION.
BUT BUT TYPICALLY WHEN YOU EXHAUST A LIST AND YOU, AND YOU REDUCE THAT QUALIFICATION, IT'S USUALLY TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF QUALIFICATION.
SO IT WOULD BE ASSISTANT CHIEF RIGHT.
WHAT, FORGET ABOUT PROBATIONARY JUST TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF LEVEL.
SO WOULD THAT INCLUDE EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THAT ASSISTANT CHIEF LIST OR WOULD THAT INCLUDE SO WE LOWERED IT DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE PROBATIONARY ASSISTANTS THAT WOULD BE CERTIFIED HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH AND ONE TWO MONTHS FROM NOW.
THE ONE, THREE MONTHS FROM NOW.
BUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED.
BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS, SO YOU'VE GOT THREE POSITIONS SUBSTITUTE PROVISIONAL OR PROBATIONAL.
SO SHOULD ALL THREE OF THOSE BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT LIST INSTEAD OF JUST PROBATIONAL? WELL, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ALL TOOK THE TEST, MY, MY VIEW ON THAT CHIEF WAS THAT THESE CHIEFS TOOK THE PROMOTIONAL EXAM TO BE PROMOTED TO ASSISTANT CHIEF.
THEY DID THEIR PART TO TAKE THE PROMOTION WHILE THEY'RE IN THEIR WORKING TEST PERIOD.
SO TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE EMPLOYEE THAT TOOK THE TEST TO PROMOTE THIS ALLOWS THEM TO CONTINUE ON PROGRESSION IN THE DEPARTMENT.
WHAT I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE CHIEF ON THIS ONE.
UH, THERE, I GUESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE CHIEFS,
TYPICALLY YOU WOULD GO DOWN TO THE NEXT LEVEL, BUT WE, WE HAVE NOT EXHAUSTED THE ASSISTANT CHIEF UH, LEVEL.
WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE IS THAT THEY'RE JUST SIMPLY NOT, UH, CONFIRMED OR CERTIFIED FROM THEIR WORKING TEST PERIOD.
ALL WE DID WAS LIFT THAT REQUIREMENT SO THAT WAY, SINCE THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE POSITION, WE'VE NOW EXPANDED THE POOL OF PEOPLE.
UNFORTUNATELY WE COULDN'T GO DOWN TO THE DISTRICT CHIEF LE UH, CLASSIFICATION BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD BE GOING DOWN TWO LEVELS AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO I TEND TO AGREE THAT I THINK WHAT WE, WHAT WE DID WAS CORRECT.
UH, SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY I WOULD SAY THAT CATCH YOU ON THE NEXT ONE.
ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THAT EXPLANATION? AND THAT WILL BE OUR ACTION THAT WE NOT CHANGE WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.
SORRY IT DIDN'T WORK OUT YOUR WAY, BUT, UH, KNOW THAT WE ARE CONCERNED AND WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE RIGHT THING.
THE ACTION THAT WE TOOK, GUY, THE LAST MEETING WILL, WILL STAND.
ANYBODY ELSE HAS COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA? ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NO ONE? THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND MOVE.
[Additional Item 1]
TWO, APPROVE THE AGENDA.I'D LIKE TO ADD AN ITEM TO THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM ERNEST JONES TO
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CONTINUE HIS APPEAL, WHICH WAS SCHEDULED FOR TODAY AND THERE'S NO OPPOSITION TO THAT.AT OUR LAST MEETING, THE BOARD VOTED TO ALLOW THE CHAIR TO, UH, APPROVE SUCH APPEALS ON THE FIRST TRY.
CONTINUANCES, I'M SORRY, CONTINUANCE THE FIRST CONTINUANCE.
SUBSEQUENT CONTINUANCES MUST COME TO THE BOARD FOR, UH, APPROVAL, BUT THE MINUTES DOES NOT SHOW THAT IT WAS APPROVED.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE BOARD TO REAFFIRM THAT I AS CHAIR HAS THE AUTHORITY BEFORE I SIGN THIS TO ACTUALLY, UH, GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT.
SO IF WE COULD JUST HAVE A MOTION, UM, TO REVISIT THAT.
WELL ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA FIRST.
RIGHT? LET'S ADD IT TO THE AGENDA.
SO A MOTION TO ADD TO THE AGENDA WOULD BE IN ORDER I MOVE TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA.
I'LL SECOND IF IT NEEDS A SECOND.
WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND MOVE BY MR. THOMAS.
SECOND ABOUT MR. NEWELL THAT WE ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA.
ANY OBJECTIONS HERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS.
THE ITEM WILL BE ADDED AND WE'LL MAKE IT ITEM, UH, LET'S MAKE IT ITEM NUMBER THREE, FOUR.
AND THEN ITEM FOUR BECOME FIVE.
[2. Consider Motion to Approve Agenda.]
WITH THAT, UM, ADDITION THEN MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED AGENDA IS IN ORDER.I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED AGENDA.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT WE ADD, UH, TO THE REVISED AGENDA.
THE ADVISE AGENDA IS APPROVED.
[3. Consider Motion to Approve Minutes from July 22, 2024, meeting.]
THREE, CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM JULY 22ND.THERE ARE SOME CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION, UH, BEFORE WE DO THE APPROVAL.
AND, UM, OUR SECRETARY WILL TAKE CARE OF THESE, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
UM, UNDER ITEM FOUR IN THE LAST SENTENCE THAT SAYS, MOTION WAS SECONDED BY BILL JOHANSEN AND PLACED AT THE END OF THE AGENDA, WE'LL JUST ADD THE WORDS.
THE ITEM WAS REPLACED AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.
THE LAST UH, SENTENCE, IT SIMPLY SAYS THAT THE ITEM PASSED, BUT IT DIDN'T SAY BY WHAT VOTE.
AND I'M JUST ASKING WHETHER IT WAS UNANIMOUS OR WHETHER THERE WAS OBJECTION OR WHATEVER.
ITEM NUMBER 10, MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING BY MICHAEL LEMON.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AGAIN THERE, THAT THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION TO THE MOTION.
SO EITHER IT WAS UNANIMOUS OR IT WAS FOUR TO ONE OR TWO.
MICHAEL LEMON MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CHANGES TO THE JOB SPECIFICATIONS.
JOHN THOMAS SECONDED THE MOTION, THE ITEM APPROVED AGAIN IF IT WAS UNANIMOUS OR NOT.
ITEM 11, JOE HENDERSON AND CHAIRMAN ROBSON INSTEAD OF ROBERT
ALSO IN ITEM 11, MOTION TO REMOVE.
BULLET POINT NUMBER THREE, FAILED TO GAIN APPROVAL.
AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION, A MOTION WAS MADE TO MODIFY FINDINGS OF FACT BY JOHN THOMAS AND SECONDED BY MICHAEL LEMON.
I'M JUST ASKING THAT THAT BE REWORDED SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE FINDINGS OF FACT.
THESE ARE MINOR CHANGES BUT UH, THE SECRETARY WILL MAKE THOSE AND IF IT'S WITH THE BOARD'S APPROVAL, WE'LL JUST DELAY THE APPROVAL OF THESE MEDS UNTIL THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
[4. Consider Motion to Approve or Reject Personnel Action Forms.]
CONSIDER MOTION TO APPROVE OR REJECT PERSONAL ACTION FORMS. DO WE HAVE ANY? YES.[00:15:01]
PERSONAL ACTION FORMS. OKAY.SAME HERE WITH BAT ROUGES POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ALRIGHT, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE FOR FIRE? OOH, UH, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER.
BUT THEY ALL WERE IN ORDER? YES SIR.
ALL IN ORDER FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? YES SIR.
A MOTION TO APPROVE PERSONAL ACTION FORMS WERE IN ORDER.
THEN I MOVED TO APPROVE THE PERSONNEL ACTION FORM.
SECOND BY MR. LEMON THAT WE APPROVE.
UH, PERSONAL ACTION FORMS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OPPOSED? AS NAY PERSONAL ACTION FORMS ARE APPROVED.
MR. DOER JUST REMINDED ME THAT WE HAVE NOT INTRODUCED OUR NEW BOARD MEMBER TELLS ME WE HAVE A NEW LAWYER ON OUR BOARD.
WE NOW HAVE BIG MIKE AND LITTLE MIKE
BUT ANYWAY, MR. NO, WELCOME TO OUR VOTE.
IF YOU, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, YOU CERTAINLY AN ORDER.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO MEET EVERYONE.
UH, I'VE BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR ABOUT A DOZEN YEARS.
PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE FOR A LONG TIME, UH, PRIVATE PRACTICE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
I'M AT THE YWCA OF GREATER BATON ROUGE UNDER DIANA PEYTON DOING OR BUILDING OUT A LEGAL SERVICES DIVISION FOR, UH, VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
AND SO IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU.
ANYTIME YOU CAN ADD MORE LAWYERS TO THE GROUP.
[5. Consider Motion to review/accept applications for: Fire Department: Deputy Fire Chief Police Department: Criminal Intelligence Analyst, Police Sergeant, Police Lieutenant]
ITEM SIX, CONSIDER MOTION TO REVIEW OR ACCEPT APPLICATIONS FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, POLICE SERGEANT AND POLICE LIEUTENANT.
AND I NOTICED THAT WE HAD QUITE A FEW FOR SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT, UH, YOU WANNA, UH, APPROVE THEM? YES.
SEPARATELY? WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER.
IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS UNLESS YOU GOT IT.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE, TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. THOMAS.
I SECOND TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATIONS FOR BOTH THE FIRE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
[Additional Item 2]
I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY DID THERE WOULD WE? UH, THE CONTINUANCE ITEM? YEAH, WE SKIPPED IT.SO LET ME, UH, ASK THAT THE BOARD WILL GIVE ME A MOTION TO GIVE THE CHAIR THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THE FIRST REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE.
IF IT'S UNOPPOSED BY BOTH COUNCIL, I'LL MOVE, GIVE THE CHAIRMAN AUTHORITY.
I'LL SECOND MOVE BY MR. RICKS AND SECOND BY MR. NEWVILLE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
AND WITH THAT I WILL APPROVE THE, UH, REQUEST FROM ERNEST JONES WHOSE APPEAL WAS SCHEDULED FOR TODAY.
WE NEED TO, UH, CONSIDER WHEN TO RESCHEDULE THAT APPEAL.
IT WASN'T ACTUALLY HIS APPEAL, UH, SCHEDULED FOR TODAY.
UM, MR. JONES ACTUALLY FILED AN APPEAL TECHNICALLY BEFORE THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY HAD ISSUED DISCIPLINE.
AND THE, UH, THE DEPARTMENT WAS GONNA FILE MOTIONS ESSENTIALLY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT HE HAD THE RIGHT TO APPEAL.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING HERE LATELY.
IN THE MEANTIME, HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEGUN THE, UH, DISCIPLINARY PROCESS.
SO, UM, MR. JONES' COUNSEL FIGURED, HEY, IF DISCIPLINE IS GONNA COME, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, MIGHT AS WELL JUST WAIT FOR IT TO, TO COME BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO RESCHEDULE OR ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN AN OFFICIAL ACTION JUST YET.
AND THE ONLY REASON I CALLED FOR THAT, UH, SCHEDULING IS BECAUSE THE REQUEST FROM MR. IVY SAYS IT IS ORDERED THAT THE APPEAL HEARING SET FOR AUGUST 26TH, 2024 BE CONTINUED TO AND IT SAYS DATE.
SO THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, WE WILL NOT SET IT.
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WILL SIGN THIS WITHOUT SPECIFY WHEN.IN THAT CASE THEN, UH, A MOTION TO ADJOURN IS IN ORDER.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN SAYING THAT MOVED BY MR. LEMON AND SECOND BY MR. RICKS THAT WE ADJOURNED.