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THIS MEETING OF THE MUNICIPAL FIRE EMPLOYEE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD IS CALLED TO ORDER.
[1. Roll Call ]
HAVE A ROLL CALL? YES, SIR.PRESENT BOARD ATTORNEY JOSHUA RA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
AT THIS POINT WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? HEARING NONE IN SCENE.
NO ONE APPROACHING THE PODIUM.
WE'LL MOVE THEN TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT BEFORE
[2. Consider motion to approve agenda. ]
WE APPROVE THE AGENDA, UM, I THINK THERE'S A MOTION TO, TO DISMISS THE APPEAL.WE WANT TO ADD THAT TO OUR AGENDA.
SO IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, AMEND THE AGENDA TO ADD THAT MOTION.
I'LL MOVE TO AMEND THE AGENDA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, I'M WONDERING IF YOU GUYS COULD JUST REPLACE NUMBER EIGHT INSTEAD OF ADDING, I WOULD JUST REPLACE NUMBER EIGHT.
JUST REPLACE NUMBER EIGHT? YES.
YOU WANT TO MODIFY YOUR MOTION TO REPLACE NUMBER EIGHT INSTEAD OF MAKING A NEW MOTION? YEAH.
SO I'M, UH, UH, MODIFY MY MOTION TO REPLACE, UH, ITEM EIGHT.
AND SECONDLY, THAT WE REPLACED ITEM EIGHT WITH A MOTION TO DISMISS THE APPEAL.
ANY OPPOSES? NO OPPOSES IN THAT CASE THEN WE'LL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM TWO.
UH, FOR MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.
AND SECOND IT THAT YOUR MOTION BE AGENDA, BE APPROVED.
[3. Consider motion to approve minutes from: • July 22, 2024, meeting • August 26, 2024, meeting ]
CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM JULY 22ND.IF YOU RECALL AT OUR LAST MEETING, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES TO BE MADE.
THOSE HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WE'RE ASKING THAT WE APPROVE THOSE MINUTES TODAY AS WELL AS THOSE FROM AUGUST 26TH.
SO LET US DO THOSE SEPARATELY SO I COULD HAVE A MOTION.
FIRST TO DO APPROVAL OF JULY 22ND.
MOTION MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY A SECOND.
I'LL STATE THE FIRST CODE BEING I WASN'T ON CORRECT.
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JULY 22ND MEETING.
I MOVED TO APPROVE JULY 22ND AND ALSO AUGUST 26TH.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH MO UH, MINUTES TO HAVE A SECOND.
MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE BOTH THE JULY 22ND AND THE AUGUST 26TH.
OPPOSED? AS NAY, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
[4. Consider motion to approve or reject Personnel Action Forms: ]
ITEM FOUR, CONSIDER MOTION TO APPROVE OR REJECT PERSONNEL ACTION FORMS FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE.DO WE HAVE 'EM, GENTLEMEN? YES, SIR.
I MOVED TO APPROVE THE BAT ROUGE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, DO WE HAVE, DO YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IT'S NO BIG DEAL.
JUST, JUST POLICE AND, UH, AND, AND THE FIRE DEPART AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
AND A SECOND, UH, THE PERSONAL ACTION FORMS OF BOTH FIRE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NAY PERSONAL ACTION FORMS ARE APPROVED.
[5. Consider a motion to approve extension of Provisional Appointments by Chief Michael Kimble, Baton Rouge Fire Dept. ]
FIVE.CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE EXTENSION OF PROVISIONAL APPOINTMENTS BY CHIEF MICHAEL KIMBO.
THAT MEANS FIRE DEPARTMENT CHIEF.
YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? GOOD MORNING.
UM, I WANTED TO COME BACK TO Y'ALL.
WE PUT THOSE PEOPLE ON A PROVISIONAL PROVISIONAL APPOINTMENT AND BY THE STATUTE WE NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL REQUEST AN EXTENSION DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE TEST HAS NOT, HAS BEEN CALLED FOR, BUT HAS NOT BEEN ADMINISTERED.
I THINK MR. RICKS HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO CHIEF, UM, WHEN WERE THOSE EMPLOYEES PLACED IN THE PROVISIONAL POSITIONS? JULY 13TH OF THIS YEAR.
SO THAT'S WITHIN, 'CAUSE I KNOW AS A BOARD WE HAVE, THEY CAN GO WITHIN THREE MONTHS SO THAT IT IS WITHIN THE THREE MONTHS.
UH, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT THE NEXT, WE CAN EXTEND THAT THREE MONTHS,
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BUT THAT TIMEFRAME'S GONNA RUN OUT UNTIL BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, CORRECT? CORRECT.THAT THREE MONTHS WILL HAVE COMPLETED BEFORE THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.
AND DID JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, DID, DID YOU GUYS SUBMIT, UH, I KNOW YOU HAVE 15 DAYS TO SUBMIT TO THE BOARD WHEN SOMEONE GOES INTO A PROVISIONAL APPOINTMENT.
HAVE, HAVE YOU GUYS? UH, WE DID, WE DID SEND A LETTER TO, UM, MR. PRESS AND I THINK TO THE BOARD.
AND THEN THIS IS ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION.
WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE BOARD? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROVISIONAL POSITIONS.
ARE WE DOING AN EXTENSION? YEAH, DOING EXTENSION.
I THINK THE MOTION WOULD BE AN EXTENSION.
AND THEN FOR HOW LONG TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION FOR, WE CAN ONLY DO IT FOR ANOTHER THREE MONTHS.
YOU CAN DO IT UP TO THREE MONTHS.
SO ARE Y ALL DOING THREE MONTHS? IS THAT WHAT THE REQUEST IS? WHEN IS THE EXAM? SO FROM OUR POINT, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO CALL FOR THE TEST.
IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD TO LOWER THE QUALIFICATIONS.
I THINK NOW IT'S IN THE HANDS OF THE STATE EXAMINER GETTING A TEST SCHEDULED.
I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE TO THE MEMBERS THAT PERHAPS WE GIVE OURSELVES A LITTLE LEEWAY IN CASE WE HAVE TO EXTEND THE TESTING PERIOD OR SOMETHING.
WHY NOT EXTEND IT FOR ANOTHER 30, UH, THREE MONTHS? YEAH, I AGREE.
BECAUSE ONCE WE GET THE TEST RESULTS, THEY'LL COME OFF THAT PROVISIONAL APPOINTMENT ANYWAY.
THEY COME, UH, WE'RE STILL IN HURRICANE SEASON.
Y'ALL KNOW THAT, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO THERE'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT THE TEST MAY NOT BE GIVEN.
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR EXTENSION AND SPECIFY THE TIME I MOVED THE EXTENDED SIX MONTHS.
SECOND BY MR. RICKS THAT WE EXTEND THE PROVISIONAL, UH, APPOINTMENTS BY THREE MONTHS.
THE PROVISIONAL APPOINTMENTS ARE NOW EXTENDED IN ADDITIONAL THREE MONTHS.
[6. Consider Motion to review/approve Sick Leave Policy on behalf of the Baton Rouge Fire Department. ]
ITEM SIX.CONSIDER A MOTION TO REVIEW APPROVE SICK LEAVE POLICY ON BEHALF OF THE BATON ROUGE FIRE DEPARTMENT CHIEF, I GUESS YOU BETTER COME BACK AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
AND I GUESS BEFORE THE CHIEF GETS STARTED, JUST A BRIEF POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, DURING THE FLINT APPEAL, I'M CORRECT.
UM, PART OF WHAT THE BOARD ORDERED WAS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GO AND MODIFY, CREATE, UH, REVIEW THEIR SICK LEAVE POLICY AND BRING IT BACK TO US.
IF YOU GUYS RECALL, I THINK A FEW DAYS LATER, WE THEN HAD A TRAINING WITH THE STATE EXAMINER, UH, WHO ESSENTIALLY, UH, IN MY PRIVATE DISCUSSION WITH HER, TOLD ME WE WERE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
UH, THE ONE THING SHE CLARIFIED IS WE CAN'T THEN APPROVE THE SICK LEAVE POLICY.
AND I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE THE DISCUSSION, BUT, UH, THE WAY THAT THE LAW READS, AND I'M READING FROM, OR I'M LOOKING AT REVISED STATUTE, UH, 33, 25, 57, WHILE THE BOARD PROVIDES FOR THESE DIFFERENT LEAVES AS ABSENCES IN TERMS OF REGULATING IT, THAT'S, UH, STRICTLY FOR THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY.
SO I, I DID AT LEAST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO THAT WAY WE HAD KIND OF A CLARIFICATION OF EVERYBODY'S ROLE IN THIS MAKE SENSE? RIGHT.
SO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD CANNOT ADOPT.
SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY QUESTION.
JUST THIS PAST FRIDAY TO, TO THE STATE EXAMINER, COULD WE ADOPT IT? AND SHE SAID, NO.
THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE, UH, PROVINCE OF THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY
UH, SHE HAD GIVEN US SOME POWERPOINTS THAT SAID THAT, AND I ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION ON FRIDAY AND THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
LOOK, YOU KNOW, UH, THE WAY THAT IT BECOMES AT ISSUE FOR US IS IF AN EMPLOYEE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE POLICY, IT'S IN THE APPEAL, THEN IT COMES TO US.
BUT SHE SAID IN TERMS OF US ADOPTING IT, AND FRANKLY, THAT HAS BEEN WHAT THIS BOARD HAS DONE IN THE PAST.
IT WAS A DIFFERENT STATE EXAMINER, OF COURSE.
SO DIFFERENT THEORIES OF THE CASE.
UH, SO I'M JUST KIND OF DEFERRING ON THAT ISSUE.
UM, BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST PUT THAT OUT THERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW EVEN ME AND CHIEF KIMBLE HAD HAD A CONVERSATION SURE.
AND THAT WAS PART OF WHAT THE, THE, I GUESS THE PLAN WAS THAT HAVE MADE THINGS SO MUCH SIMPLER FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT THIS, UH, THIS CONVERSATION CERTAINLY IS APPROPRIATE.
I THINK THAT THE BOARD CAN CERTAINLY MAKE SUGGESTIONS, BUT THAT IS, UH, THE CHIEF'S RIGHT.
SO WE'RE SIMPLY, UH, REVIEWING THE POLICY? THAT'S CORRECT.
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TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.THE CHIEF AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE COMPLYING WITH THE BOARD'S ORDER AND, UH, I THINK THE CHIEF CAN GIVE US THE HIGH POINTS.
I KNOW THAT SOME BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
AND, UH, I THINK THE CHIEF CAN DO AS HE WILL.
AND YOU KNOW, IF IT COMES BACK TO US ON AN APPEAL THEN, OR SOME OTHER PROCESS, A PETITION OR WHATEVER, UH, WE'LL DEAL WITH IT THAT WAY.
BUT IN TERMS OF APPROVING IT AND SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY, UH, THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE STATE EXAMINER TELLS US TO DRAW THE LINE.
SO CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS YOU WANNA MAKE? I'D LIKE BEFORE OR YOU WANNA JUST HEAR FROM BOARD? I HEAR FROM Y'ALL FIRST.
SO, SO CHIEF, UH, I'M JUST GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE, UM, AS A BOARD, IF, IF WE HAVE MAYBE SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT WE SEE AS A BOARD THAT, THAT WE COULD FORWARD TO YOU GUYS TO, TO MAYBE HELP YOU TO, TO, TO FURTHER THIS, THIS ALONG OR, OR TO, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT, THAT WE SEE THAT MAY HELP YOU IN THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT? AND WE WOULD JUST, LIKE I SAID, AS A BOARD, SEND THESE SUGGESTIONS TO YOU AND YOU CAN INCORPORATE 'EM OR YOU DON'T, WE'RE OPEN OKAY.
BUT THE VI THE VISION OF THIS WAS TO PUT ON PAPER AS Y'ALL ASKED US.
AND WE PRETTY MUCH JUST HAD TOOK THAT FROM, TO HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THINGS WERE DONE AND TOLD AND PUT IN PLACE THROUGH THE WAY THE BAT ROUGE FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATES AND HANDLES SICK LEAVE.
I KNOW, UH, WHAT GOT US TO THIS PLACE WAS FLINT'S APPEAL AND HE, UM, I GUESS HE WAS WORKING WHILE HE WAS ON SICK LEAVE.
AND THERE WASN'T, AT LEAST AT THAT POINT IN TIME, ANY POLICY THAT WE SAW, UH, AT LEAST IN THAT RECORD, UH, THAT DISCUSSED THAT ISSUE.
SO HOW DOES THIS, I GUESS, ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM? THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
THE OVERALL OBJECTIVE OF THIS IS TO LAY OUT WHAT YOU CAN DO AND WHAT YOU CANNOT DO WHILE ON SICK LEAVE.
IT GOES INTO HOW YOU MUST SUBMIT YOUR SICK SLIP WITHIN SO MANY HOURS.
UH, RETURNING TO WORK FIT FOR DUTY.
UM, KIND OF GOES IN DETAIL WHAT YOU CAN DO AND WHAT YOU CANNOT DO WHILE YOU'RE ON SICK LEAVE.
BUT DOES IT COVER A SITUATION LIKE FLINT SECONDARY? I BELIEVE THAT IT DOES, SIR.
SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT, IT DOES ADDRESS SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT.
WHERE, WHERE IN THE POLICY IS THAT? 'CAUSE I LOOKED FOR THAT AND I DIDN'T SEE IT.
IT'S GONNA BE IN SECTION 2.9, POINT 11, 0.1 0.9, 11.1.
SO IT STATES FOR SOMEBODY, AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S ON SICK LEAVE FOR THE FIRST 30 DAYS, THEY ARE TO REMAIN AT THEIR RESIDENCE WHILE ON SICK LEAVE FOR THE EXCEPTION OF GOING TO VOTE.
CHURCH ACTIVITIES, OBTAINING MEDICATION, DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS, GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE FOR FOOD OR TO A RESTAURANT OR TAKING OR PICKING UP CHILDREN FROM SCHOOL ACTIVITIES.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IN A CASE LIKE MR. FLINT WHO HAS A REGULAR OUTSIDE JOB THAT IS OUTSIDE OF HIS FIRE DEPARTMENT DUTIES AND HE CONTINUES THAT.
SO IF HE'S OFF SICK, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE AT ONE OF THESE SICK SIX LOCATIONS FOR THE FIRST 30 DAYS.
NOW WE UNDERSTAND SOME PERSON COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE AN INJURY OR AN ILLNESS THAT PUTS 'EM OFF LONGER THAN 30 DAYS.
AND THAT'S TRULY A, A SEVERE INJURY OR ILLNESS.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE THE EMPLOYEE WAS TAKEN CARE OF TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT CONFINED TO THEIR HOME.
THEY CAN GO OUT AND DO OTHER THINGS AS IT STATES IN THE NEXT SECTION THAT EMPLOYEES ON SICK LEAVE ARE NOT TO ENGAGE IN SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT, SPORTS, HOBBIES, OR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES THAT COULD IMPEDE THEIR RECOVERY FROM THE ILLNESS.
SO DURING THAT TIME, THEY CAN DO THINGS AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT IMPEDE THEIR RECOVERY PROCESS JUST DURING THE TIME THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON DUTY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING FOR ANYTIME AFTER THE 30 DAYS IF THEY'RE OFF ON SICK LEAVE.
SO IF THEY'RE OFF ON SICK LEAVE FOR 60 DAYS? YES SIR.
I I COULD SEE RESTRICTION WHILE YOU ARE, UH, SUPPOSED TO BE EMPLOYED DURING THE TIME THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING, BUT THEIR OFF TIME LOOK LIKE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENGAGE IN WHATEVER ACTIVITIES.
SO THEY'RE STILL NOT ABLE TO COME BACK TO WORK.
SO THEY'RE STILL ON SICK LEAVE AT THAT POINT.
MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT AT LEAST YOUR SUGGESTION IS THAT, UH, THIS SHOULD ONLY APPLY TO THEIR REGULAR, REGULAR TOUR OF DUTY AND NOT FOR THE DAYS THAT THEY'RE OFF? CORRECT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEM, UH, THEY'RE NOT GETTING, UH, COMPENSATED FOR STAYING AT HOME ON THE DAYS OFF.
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IT SHOULD BE DURING THE TIME THAT THEY'RE GETTING COMPENSATED.AGAIN, I, I FEEL THAT IF YOU CAN GO TO DO SOMETHING, IF YOU SCHEDULE TO WORK MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND FRIDAY, AND I'M, I'M NOT SAYING ABOUT THE EMPLOYMENT, THE SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT PART, BUT IF, IF SOMEONE IS OUT SICK AND THEY WANT TO TAKE THE FAMILY OUT TO EAT, UH, TO A SPORTING EVENT, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO A SPORTING EVENT AS LONG AS THEY'RE GONNA IMPEDE THEIR, UH, THEIR ILLNESS.
SO IF THEY CAN GO, DO, THEY CAN GO OUT AND ENJOY THAT ON THEIR DAY OFF? SHOULDN'T THEY BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO WORK? NOT NECESSARILY.
UH, I HAD ROTATOR CUFF SURGERY.
SO FOR AN INJURY WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND, AND LONG AS THEY COMMUNICATE THAT WITH THEIR ASSISTANT CHIEF, THIS IS FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S OFF ON SICK, REMEMBER WE DON'T HAVE INJURED LEAVE, WE JUST HAVE SICK LEAVE UNFORTUNATELY.
WE HAVE TO TREAT 'EM DIFFERENT.
BUT A PERSON THAT'S INJURED, THEY JUST, THEY HAVE TO COMMUNICATE THAT THROUGH THEIR CHIEF OF WHAT THEIR INJURY IS AND COMMUNICATE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE INJURED AND THEY'RE USING SICK LEAVE.
IF YOU ARE USING SICK LEAVE, I GOT INJURED AT HOME, I'M USING SICK LEAVE, UH, IT, IT FALLS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF BEING SICK.
FOR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT IS INJURED, SIR, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN LOOKED AT DIFFERENT.
WE UNDERSTAND IF YOU GOT A BROKE ARM, YOU, YOU COULD STILL, BUT THE POLICY IS BASICALLY SAYING YOU SHOULD STILL STAY IN YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATION IN SICK LEAVE OR INJURED LEAVE CHIEF.
UM, SO I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN, IN FOLLOW BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CASES.
I KNOW, UH, THE NAILER CASE, UH, WAS HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, AWOL, SOMEONE AWOL AND I I DIDN'T SEE THIS IN HERE.
IS ARE WE, DID YOU ADDRESS THE AWOL SITUATION AS WELL? SO AWOLS IN A DIFFERENT SECTION.
I, WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG TO ADDRESS HER FOR AWOL.
BUT YOU DO HAVE AN AWOL ISSUE OR POLICY OR, OR RULE PUT IN PLACE FOR, FOR THAT SITUATION IF IT CAME UP AGAIN THAT SOMEBODY CALLS IN THAT IF YOU'RE ON AWOL, WELL, WELL HE WAS PLACED ON AWOL BECAUSE HE WASN'T SICK.
AND THAT WAS BASICALLY AWOL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND ONE LAST THING, CHIEF AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE, UH, I SEE VOLTAIRE OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT.
MAYBE VOLTAIRE CAN ANSWER, BUT I HAD A QUESTION ON THE FIT FOR DUTY.
CHIEF SANDERS CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
MORNING CHIEF BECAUSE ON THE FIT FOR DUTY, UH, AIRE, HOW, HOW DOES BASICALLY THAT WORK? SO WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE IS OFF, LET'S JUST SAY INJURED AND THEY, THEY COME BACK TO WORK, SO YOU'RE FIT FOR DUTY.
UM, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A FIREFIGHTER WHO'S COMING BACK AND YOU SEND HIM FOR A FIT, FIT FOR DUTY, DO YOU HAVE A JOB SAFETY ANALYSIS FOR THAT FIREFIGHTER? YES, SIR.
THE WAY IT WORKS IF, UH, A PERSON GET INJURED PREFER THEY HAVE TO GO, UH, FROM THEIR, PER THEY SEE THEIR PERSONAL POSITION.
AND THEY WOULD DO A-A-A-F-C-E TEST ON IT, WHICH ARE A FUNCTIONAL CAPACITY EXAM.
AND THAT WOULD DETERMINE IF THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THE JOB THAT THEY'RE IN AND, AND THAT, THAT'S SET FOR, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE POSITIONS IN THE FIRE SERVICE.
SO A FIREFIGHTER'S GOTTA MEET A CERTAIN STANDARD.
AND THEN A DISTRICT CHIEF HAS GOTTA MEET A CERTAIN STANDARD AND, AND MAYBE, UM, SO ARE THERE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT YES.
JOB SAFETY ANALYSIS? ACTUALLY WE HAVE A JOB, WE HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION TO EVERY, UH, EVERY DIVISION IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN A FAVOR, PHYSICIAN.
SO WHETHER YOU IN ADMINISTRATION OR WHETHER YOU'RE IN SUPPRESSION, WHERE IF IT'S, UH, ANYWHERE FROM A PRIVATE UP TO A DISTRICT CHIEF, WE HAVE A DESCRIPTION FOR THOSE AND ANYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION.
AND WHAT I WOULD DO THAT WE WOULD SEND THAT DESCRIPTION TO THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL AND THEY WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND DETERMINE IF, WHEN THEY SAY THEY OKAY, THEY COULD COME TO DUTY IF THEY PUT ANY TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS ON THERE, WE, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND COMPARE THE TWO AND SEE IF OKAY.
THEY COULD EITHER COME BACK TO WORK AND IN THEIR FULL DUTY
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CAPACITY OR THEY COULD GO TO SOME TYPE OF MODIFIED DUTY.AND THAT'S AND THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE OCCUPATIONAL MEDICINE YES, SIR.
POSITION AND THEN HE'LL REFER THEM TO THE WHATEVER JOB DESCRIPTION OR WHATEVER.
JSA HE NEEDS, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
HE WOULD HAVE TO GET EXAMINED BY THE PERSONAL POSITION AND BY THE, THE, THE POSITION AT TOTAL OCCUPATION MEDICINE.
WHO WILL YOU THANK YOU CHIEF SAMS? YES, SIR.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DO, YES SIR.
TO, TO GO BACK TO 2.9 POINT 0.1 AND TWO.
SO LESS THAN 30 DAYS SICK LEAVE.
THIS IS POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
SO IN 0.2, THE EXTENDED LEAVE EMPLOYEES ARE BARRED FROM ENGAGING IN SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT THAT COULD IMPEDE THEIR RECOVERY FROM ILLNESS, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO WITHIN 30 DAYS THERE'S, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE LIMITED TO THEIR HOMES, BUT THERE IS NO PRESCRIPTION FOR SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT.
COULD THEORETICALLY ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES DO REMOTE WORK FROM HOME DURING THAT 30 DAY PERIOD? THEY, THEY POSSIBLY COULD.
AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER, UNDER YOUR POLICY.
SO AGAIN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT IMPEDING THEIR RECOVERY PROCESS.
AND WELL, IT, THE REASON WHY I, IT JUMPED OUT AT ME A LITTLE BIT IS THAT IN ARGUABLY THE, THE EXTENDED LEAVE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIMITING.
AND I KNOW THAT I'M, I'M PICKING MYTHS A LITTLE BIT IN, IN HOW IT'S WORDED.
UM, BUT THE WAY THAT 0.1, 11.1 IS WORDED, THERE ISN'T THE PROHIBITION THAT REMOTE WORK OR WORK AT HOME CAN'T BE LIMITING TO THEIR RECOVERY WHERE THAT LIMIT IS IN THE EXTENDED LEAVE.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS INTENTIONAL OR IF THAT WAS SIMPLY AN OVERSIGHT IN THE LAND.
THE WAY WE LOOKED AT THAT WAS WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR WAY WE WORK IS THE 24 HOUR SHIFTS.
MOST TIME OUR GUYS ARE OFF FOR TWO OR THREE DAYS AT A TIME.
UM, SO WE DIDN'T DIVE INTO THAT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY WERE STAYING WITHIN THE LIMITS OF WHAT TO RECOVER.
SHOULD, SHOULD YOU SAY IF THEY ON AN EXTENDED LEAVE TO WHERE THEY CAN POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING BUT NOT IMPEDE THEIR RECOVERY PROCESS.
AND, AND I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THAT I'M BELABORING THE POINT, BUT I JUST WANT TO, MY READING OF 2.9 0.1 IS THAT IF ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES ON SICK LEAVE IN THAT FIRST 30 DAYS IS MOONLIGHTING AS A CRUNCH CODER AND IS WORKING 18 HOUR SHIFTS, THE FROM HOME THE WAY THAT YOUR POLICY IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN WOULD TECHNICALLY NOT BAR THEM FROM DOING SO, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO MY READING.
SO I JUST WANNA LOOK AT THAT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
SO, SO JOSH, ARE YOU KIND OF SUGGESTING THAT IT HAVE THAT SAME LANGUAGE OF, UH, REGARDING SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT THAT COULD IMPEDE IF THE GOAL IS TO ALLOW THEM TO AT LEAST IN THEORY WORK FROM HOME DURING THOSE FIRST 30 DAYS, AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT IMPEDE, THEN YES.
I WOULD SUGGEST ADDING THAT LANGUAGE THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN 11.2, ADDING THAT DOES NOT IMPEDE LANGUAGE TO 11.1 AS WELL.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THAT IN ADVISEMENT AND THEN FURTHER COMMENTS A QUESTION.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE WHILE HE'S COMING UP, SO CHIEF, IF I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DIFFERENT POLICY FOR INJURIES? NO.
SO IF YOU'RE INJURED LIKE A ROTATOR CUFF, LIKE HE'S SAYING IT'S THE SAME, IT'S FOLLOWING THIS PROCESS THAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW.
MR. UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO BRING UP, PLEASE THERE, I KNOW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
NAME WITH THE STATE EXAMINER SHANE SPELMAN, I'M SORRY.
CHIEF ADMINISTRATION IES FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO WHEN THE CITY PARISH PUT THE DRUG OR ORDINANCE IN PLACE, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE DRUG ORDINANCE.
THERE WAS A LAWSUIT THAT WAS FILED.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT DRUG ORDINANCE ENDED UP HERE AT THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD TO BE ADOPTED AS POLICY.
SO I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DRUG POLICY AND THE SICK POLICY? BECAUSE BOTH OF 'EM HAD BEEN, HAD WENT THROUGH THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY, WHICH IS THE METRO COUNCIL, BUT THEN IT WAS RULED, AND MAYBE YOU CAN CHECK ON THAT.
IT WAS RULED THAT THE METRO COUNCIL COULD NOT SET LEAVE POLICY IN DIFFERENT POLICIES FOR FIRE AND POLICE.
AND THAT'S WHY IT ENDED UP IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD.
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THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE.SO, UM, I WOULDN'T CALL NECESSARILY THE, UH, THE COUNSEL, THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY AS IT RELATES TO DUAL SERVICE LAW.
USUALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE CALLED THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY.
UH, THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY IS USUALLY MORE YOUR EXECUTIVE AND, AND I'M SORRY.
AND I MEANT TO SAY GOVERNOR AUTHORITY, I SAID APPOINTING AUTHORITY.
THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND WHAT I MEANT IS THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY AND THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY IS THE EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH COUNCIL ON SOME AND SOME IT'S Y'ALL THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
AND LIKE I SAID, AND THAT, THAT'S WHY THAT WAS ADOPTED HERE AFTER IT WAS ADOPTED BY THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY IN 95 AT THE COUNCIL, THEN IT CAME BACK AND I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK IN YOUR POLICY NOW THAT THE, THE POLICY THAT WE GO UNDER IS THE ONE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THIS BOARD HERE OR THE DRUG POLICY.
I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T LIKE THE DRUG POLICY BEING ADOPTED BY THE BOARD EITHER.
UH, I THINK WHAT THE, THE DISTRICT COURT MEANT TO DO WHEN IT, WHEN THAT LAWSUIT HAPPENED, I THINK THEY WERE SIMPLY SAYING THAT THE COUNCIL DID NOT HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE FIRE AND POLICE TO DO WHAT IT DID.
AND, AND THEN THEY MADE THE SUGGESTION TO TAKE IT TO, TO THE BOARD.
AND THE BOARD SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT, HEY, LOOK, AS IT RELATES TO MISCONDUCT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY WHO SETS ALL THAT STUFF UP SO LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH, UH, I GUESS FOR YOU GUYS PROVIDE STATUTE 33 2500, WHICH SETS OUT THE CAUSES.
YOU KNOW, SO ONE OF THE CAUSES MAY BE LIKE CAUSES FOR DISCIPLINE WOULD BE LIKE, UH, FAILURE TO PERFORM A DUTY.
WELL THE DUTY WOULD BE NOT TO, YOU KNOW, DO DRUGS.
AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE BRFD POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, THAT KIND OF THING.
WHAT THE DISTRICT COURT SUGGESTED ESSENTIALLY IS TO MAKE THE BOARD BASICALLY THE PERSON THAT SETS THE RULES AND THEN PUNISHES FOR THE RULES.
YOU SEE KIND OF THE PROBLEM THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IN THIS SICK LEAVE SITUATION.
I MEAN, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
IT DOES FLY IN THE FACE OF WHICH I'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WHICH IS WHAT ME AND CHIEF KIMBALL WE'RE KIND OF DISCUSSING, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT THE JUDGE TO DECIDE, HEY, THESE ARE THE RULES THAT YOU CAN'T BREAK.
IT'S LIKE THE JUDGE WRITING THE, THE, THE CRIMINAL CODE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A SEPARATION FOR A REASON.
SO WHEN YOU COME, I CAN THIS BOARD SENTENCES, RIGHT.
YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THE JUDGE AND THE JURY.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE IF WE SET FORTH.
SO, SO I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE THE JUDGE AND THE JURY BECAUSE THE POLICY DOESN'T HAVE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PERSON.
SO THIS POLICY DOES NOT SAY THAT IF I CATCH YOU WORKING SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT, YOU GET FIVE DAYS OFF, YOU GET 10 DAYS OFF.
THAT'S STILL WITH THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY.
WELL, SO, SO YEAH, INITIALLY IT'S WITH THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU'RE NOT SETTING DISCIPLINE.
YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS POLICY RIGHT HERE THAT I'M GOOD WITH THIS POLICY 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD ASKED FOR.
AND I'M SURE WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
TO ME IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE THAT IF THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD IS WANTING AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOUR INPUT, THEN YOU SHOULD ADOPT IT BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU CAME AND, AND TOLD US TO DO.
YOU TOLD US TO HAVE A POLICY AND PRESENT IT BACK TO Y'ALL RIGHT NOW, WE COULD HAVE JUST NOT DONE THAT AND POSTED IT FOR 10 DAYS AND PUT IT OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT PER OUR UNION CONTRACTOR WITH COLLECTED BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY.
BUT I GUESS MY AGGRAVATION IS IS THAT THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ASKED FOR AND NOW JUST 'CAUSE YOU ASKED FOR IT, YOU WON'T ADOPT IT.
SO WE DID ALL THIS WORK ON IT.
SO I THINK IT WAS, WE'RE GONNA COME HERE, LET Y'ALL ADOPT IT THAT WAY.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WE WOULD TAKE Y'ALL SUGGESTIONS, COME BACK, HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, LET EVERYBODY ELSE TALK ON IT AND, AND GO THAT ROUTE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS ASKED OF US.
BUT NOT SETTING THE DISCIPLINE IN THERE.
SO I DON'T SEE HOW YOU ARE THE JUDGE AND THE JURY BECAUSE THERE'S NO DISCIPLINE SET IN THERE.
SO TO THE REASON WHY WE'D BE THE JUDGE AND THE JURY IS BECAUSE IF SOMEONE GETS DISCIPLINED UNDER THE POLICY AND THEY APPEAL, WE DECIDE GOOD FAITH AND FOR CAUSE AND THEN WE HAVE A SEPARATE DUTY TO INDEPENDENTLY DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PENALTY WAS COMMENSURATE WITH THE OFFENSE THAT MAKES US THE JURY.
BUT TO GO BACK, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME AT ALL.
I THINK NOW WHAT YOU HAVE IS AN UNDER AN UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY AND THE BOARD.
SO WHENEVER YOU GUYS DO DISCIPLINE SOMEONE UNDER THIS POLICY, NOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY HERE.
SO WHETHER THAT, SO LEMME FINISH, I'LL LET YOU FINISH.
PUT THE KYLE FLINT SITUATION UP AGAINST THIS POLICY.
SEEMS PRETTY SIMPLE AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? WITHIN THE FIRST 30 DAYS, DID YOU WORK OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT? IF THE ANSWER IS YES, NOW THAT YOU HAVE THIS POLICY, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE DECISION FOR THE BOARD.
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IF HE WORKS, UH, EMPLOYMENT OUTSIDE OF THE FIRST 30 DAYS.THE QUESTION IS, DID HE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE ASSISTANT CHIEF? IS THIS OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT GOING TO IMPEDE THE, UH, THE RECOVERY PROCESS? EVERYTHING'S NOW BLACK AND WHITE.
YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WITH THE BOARD.
I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE BEEF.
WE ASKED YOU GUYS TO, WE ASKED YOU GUYS TO COMPLY WITH, YOU KNOW, AN ORDER.
YOU GUYS DID IT AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
THE ONLY ISSUE IS YOU GUYS WANT US TO APPROVE IT AS A BOARD POLICY.
AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT THE LAW SAYS, HEY, WHEN IT COMES TO REGULATING THESE LEAVES OF ABSENCES, THAT'S THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY.
SO WHEN THE STATE EXAMINER SAYS, HEY LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT THE STATUTE AND THE STATUTE SAYS XI THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD DO IT THIS WAY.
I I WHAT DO YOU WANT THE THE BOARD TO DO? WELL IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BOARD WANTED THIS POLICY.
AND THEN THAT'S WHY WE WERE ASKING, THAT'S WHY THE WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA IS SO Y'ALL TO ADOPT A POLICY THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WANTING FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
AND, AND I THINK WE THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS BEFORE WE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH STATE EXAMINER, THAT'S, BUT NOW WE WERE FINDING THAT THEY'RE TELLING US THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE NEED TO DO THIS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE CHANGING OUR TUNE IN TERMS OF, OR AND, AND AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THE POINT UP ABOUT THE DRUG POLICY.
BECAUSE IT'S EXACTLY, THE DRUG POLICY WAS ADOPTED EXACTLY LIKE WE WERE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS POLICY WAS GONNA BE ADOPTED.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T SEE A DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO, BUT A DIFFERENT STATE EXAMINER.
AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
BUT WE'VE BEEN ADVISED NOT TO APPROVE IT.
WE APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE BRINGING IT BACK.
I THINK THIS IS GOOD FOR SURE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? JUST, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT NOTE.
CHIEF IS, IS ARE NOT APPROVING IT CAUSING YOU OR YOUR DEPARTMENT ANY HARDSHIP? NO, IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP, IT'S JUST THE, THE POINT OF US, AGAIN, WHAT CHIEF SPILLMAN SAID OFF OF HISTORICAL THINGS, WE THOUGHT WE'D BETTER COME IN HERE, ADOPT IT.
SO MOVING FORWARD, IT'S CUT AND DRIVE THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD AND THE THE ADMINISTRATION IS ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
SO I I HAVE A QUESTION AND, AND IT'S BACKING UP TO THE PREVIOUS, UH, POINT, NOT, NOT WITH THE, THE, UH, THE LEAVE POLICY.
IT'S ON THE PROVISIONAL, UH, THE PROVISIONAL APPOINTMENTS.
CAN WE BACK UP TO THAT AND ASK THAT QUESTION? WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN ACTION.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION I'LL ASK AFTER.
I'LL ASK AFTER, BUT WHAT'S MY PLEASURE? UH, THERE IS NO ACTION TO TAKE.
IF YOU GUYS CERTAINLY FIND LAW THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CONTRARY TO WHAT I'VE ADVISED, I'D BE GLAD TO CONSIDER IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT YOU WILL, BUT AGAIN, YES, CERTAINLY.
I CHIEF SPILLS BACK LIKE SO THAT'S WHAT WE, UNTIL WE JUST, YOU TOLD US THAT, RIGHT JOSH? WE THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE HERE FOR AND, AND AND WE THOUGHT SO TOO.
YOU HEARD OUR COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT, DO WHAT YOU WILL WITH IT.
HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO EVER HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN FOR SICK LEAVE.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY CLEAR.
I MEAN, WHAT Y'ALL HAVE IN HERE NOW, WE'LL SEE
MR. DO WE NEED A MOTION TO TABLE OR PASS OR CAN WE JUST MOVE ON WITHOUT A MOTION? I THINK WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY ACTION TO TAKE.
[7. Consider a motion to review/approve test scores on behalf of: Baton Rouge Fire Department Baton Rouge Police Department ]
SO WE'LL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN.MOTION TO REVIEW, APPROVE TESTCOS ON BEHALF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND I'M OPEN AND TESTCO IS NOW, THIS IS A MAJOR OPERATION.
THESE ARE BY UH, YEAH, JUST THE CHIEF.
THOSE ARE POLICE OR THOSE ARE POLICE.
THEY REALLY, UM, MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO GET THESE OPEN.
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SHORT NIGHTALL OF THESE IS ASSISTANT CHIEF OF SPECIAL SERVICES.
THEY ALL MEET, THERE ARE FIVE TO FOUR, FOUR PERSONS.
THEY EACH HAVE THE FISHER SCORE TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS.
THESE ARE FINGERPRINT TECHNICIAN ONE.
THERE WERE TWO OR SIX, SEVEN NO SHOWS.
FIVE BY A COMMUNICATION OFFICER.
THERE ARE THREE PERSONS EACH QUALIFIES AS IT RELATES TO SCORE.
OH, I'M SORRY, I MISSPOKE THERE.
THERE'S ONE THAT DOES NOT, TWO THAT DOES AND ONE THAT DOES NOT.
AND UH, THERE'S FIVE SURVEYS MANAGEMENT IN THIS ENVELOPE OVER HERE.
THEY HAVE, UH, FIRE AND POLICE IN THERE.
THEY ALL COMMUNICATION OFFICER THREE.
WE HAVE, UM, LOOKS LIKE THREE PERSONS.
THERE'S ONE THAT DID NOT MEET THE DUAL CRITERIA.
TWO THAT DID TWO AND THREE DID NOT.
THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE, UH, THERE ONE MEET THE CRITERIA.
BUT WHAT'S OUR PLEASURE? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE POLICE AND FIRE SCORES.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, BOTH THE POLICE AND THE FIRE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
THIS GOES, UH, HEREBY APPROVED RULE.
[8. Conduct a hearing on behalf of Crystal Duckworth. ]
EIGHT.CONDUCT A HEARING ON BEHALF OF KRISTA DUCKWORTH.
YOU WANT CHANGE THE YEAH, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY WE MODIFY THE AGENDA TO DISMISS THAT HEARING, SO THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN THERE.
MR. I I THINK HE WANTED, OH, MR. IVER? YES.
I'LL, UH, ASSUME THE BOARD'S GRATITUDE FOR THIS, UH, LATE FRIDAY FILING.
UH, BUT PURSUANT TO, UH, UH, MY CLIENT'S DIRECTIONS LATE LAST WEEK, UH, WE DID FILE A MOTION TO DISMISS A COURTESY COPY OF MR. RAINS.
AND, UH, HE AGREED HE WOULD CONTACT THE WITNESSES, ALL OF WHOM WERE EMPLOYED BY THE DEPARTMENT, UH, NOT TO APPEAR.
AND DID I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, ATTORNEY WAS GOING TO BE TAKING THE BOARD MEMBERS TO, UH, KU OR I THINK THAT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IS THAT, THAT WAS THAT, UH, ASSUMED EXPRESSION OF GRATITUDE THAT, UH, I MENTIONED.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
A MOTION TO DISMISS IS APPROVED.
AND WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD, A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING IS AN ORDER.