Mar 18, 2026 Council Zoning

[CALL TO ORDER]

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I GUESS I NEED TO LOG INTO MY DOG. WELCOME, EVERYBODY, TO THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL ZONING MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY, MARCH 18TH, 2026, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

ASHLEY, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? WE HAVE A QUORUM.

ITEM NUMBER 1. RV-4-25. SAINT JAMES, FRANCE AND EUROPE STREET.

[1. 26-00020 RV-4-25 St. James, France, and Europe Street (multiple right-of-way)]

STREET RIGHTS OF WAY LOCATED SOUTH GOVERNMENT STREET, WEST OF PHILIP STREET.

DISTRICT 10 COLEMAN COMMISSION. ACTION, MOTION TO APPROVE.

CARRIED 6-0. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, GO TO COUNCIL. YES, SIR. MOTION TO APPROVE.

BY COUNCILWOMAN COLEMAN. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN AMOROSA.

IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEMS 2 AND 3 TOGETHER.

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TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FROM AGRICULTURAL RURAL TO INDUSTRIAL, LOCATED ON NORTH SIDE OF FLORIDA BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF RIVERSIDE PARK DRIVE.

COUNCIL DISTRICT 4, MOAK. COMMISSIONER ACTION, MOTION TO DENY, CARRIED 6-0.

CASE 53-25 17501 FLORIDA BOULEVARD TO REZONE FROM COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSING TO RURAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON NORTH SIDE OF FLORIDA BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF RIVERSIDE PARK DRIVE. COUNCIL DISTRICT 4, MOAK. COMMISSIONER ACTION, MOTION TO DENY CARRIED 6-0.

JUST NEED A MOTION TO DELETE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MOAK.

SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN RACCA. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES.

TAKE 4 AND 5 TOGETHER THESE 2 NEED 8 VOTES. THERE WAS A, I THINK, A SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE AT THE MEETING AND LACKED THE AFFIRMATIVE.

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COMMISSION ACTION, MOTION TO APPROVE FAILED DUE TO LACK OF AFFIRMATIVE VOTES. 4 TO 2. CASE 10-26 T11830.

GREENWELL SPRINGS ROAD REZONE FROM LIGHT COMMERCIAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 827 ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GLENWOOD SPRINGS ROAD WEST OF MONTICELLO BOULEVARD. COUNCIL DISTRICT 5 HURST. COMMISSION ACTION, MOTION TO APPROVE, FAILED DUE TO LACK OF AFFIRMATIVE VOTES 4 TO 2.

ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 4 AND 5? WE HAVE EDWARD PRATT. GOOD AFTERNOON. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? ALRIGHT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO CITIZENS ASSOCIATION.

LET IT BE T SHIRT. BUT ANYWAY, TO ANNOUNCE THAT WHAT I WANT TO SAY AS A SUBDIVISION, MOST OF THE PEOPLE LIVE IN OUR SUBDIVISION HAVE BEEN THERE ON THE BOULEVARD.

THEY HAVE BEEN THERE 35, 40, 50 YEARS, THEY LIVE THERE.

WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHERE WE LIVE, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE.

WHAT HAPPENED TO US IS A PROPOSAL WAS MADE TO TURN A EMPTY AREA INTO A PLACE WHERE THEY PUT 37 HOUSES, PROPOSAL WAS MADE. WE DIDN'T FIND ABOUT, WE DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THAT UNTIL ABOUT.

WE GOT. WE HAD A MEETING THAT WAS SET UP 2 DAYS BEFOREHAND AND THEN THAT WAS THE MEETING HELD AND THEN IT WENT TO THE WENT TO THE THE ZONING COMMISSION BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO TAKE IN WHAT WAS WHAT WAS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO CHANGE THE SUBDIVISION? 37 HOUSES AND THE 37 HOUSES WOULD BE IN A SMALL AREA WHERE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU TRY TO GET OUT OF MONTICELLO, BECAUSE THE IN THE MONTICELLO RIGHT THERE AT GREEN SPRINGS ROAD, YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF THERE NOW AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 37 HOUSES, WHICH MEANS THERE COULD BE AS MANY AS 54 NEW CARS, MORE CARS SITTING RIGHT THERE THAT WOULD BE BLOCKING YOU GETTING OUT.

THEN THE GROUND WHERE THEY WOULD HOW THEY WOULD MAKE THAT IS THAT THE WATER WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN INTO THE STREET SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. SO THAT IS THAT IN ITSELF IS A PROBLEM.

THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSES. THE HOUSES IN MONTICELLO, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 2500 OVER 3000FT².

THESE HOUSES WOULD BE SMALLER THAN THAT. THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT AT THE, AT THE MAIN STREET THAT WE WERE TOLD THAT WOULD BE CLOSE TO WHAT MONTICELLO BUT THEN THE OTHER 1 WOULD BE SMALLER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT WE KNOW THAT.

WE ALSO ASKED THEM AT THE AT THE ZONING COMMISSION.

I SAID, LOOK, WOULD YOU ALL COME AND TALK TO US AND MAYBE WE COULD DISCUSS THIS AND SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE THAT WE WOULD LIKE.

COULD YOU LESSEN THE NUMBER TO 20? COULD YOU LESSEN THE NUMBER TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN THAT? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE COMMERCIAL. WE WOULD RATHER BE FOR HOUSES, BUT AT LEAST COME AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO TALK TO US.

WE HAD A WE HAD A CIVIC ASSOCIATION MEETING 3 WEEKS BEFORE THAT.

THEY COULD HAVE COME THERE AND TALK TO US, THEY DIDN'T.

THERE WAS A SMALL THERE WAS A QUICK MEETING HELD, LIKE I SAID, THREE, 2 OR 3 DAYS BEFORE THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

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CAME TO THE COMMISSION, CAME TO THE ZONING COMMISSION AND WHEN I SPOKE TO HIM AND WHAT THEY SAID.

10S. HAMMEL YOU GOT ABOUT. 10S. OH, NO. BUT ANYWAY.

BUT ANYWAY, WHEN I SAID, WOULD YOU AT LEAST BE WILLING TO TO TALK TO US AND, AND THE PERSON THAT WAS REPRESENTING THEM SAID, NO, ARE WE ASKING FOR IS A CONVERSATION WE MIGHT GET WHAT THEY WANT.

PROBABLY NOT, BUT NOT EVERYTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE KYLE HAGLER. SURE, SURE, THAT'S FINE.

I DIDN'T SIGN UP. GO AHEAD. OH, IT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'VE BEEN THERE ALSO. I DID GO TO THE. OH. TANYA JONES.

THANK YOU. TANYA. OKAY, SO I DID GO TO THE INITIAL MEETING THAT THEY HAD AT THE SCHOOL.

IT STARTED OFF WITH A LITTLE SIGN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THEY HAD A BIG OLD SIGN TO LET US KNOW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.

I DID ATTEND THAT MEETING, ABOUT 50 OTHER PEOPLE.

THEY DID HAVE A FEW PEOPLE WITH CONCERNS ABOUT 4 OR 5 PEOPLE, THEY EXPLAINED TO US THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH I'M FOR, THAT I'M NOT FOR APARTMENTS.

I WASN'T FOR CONDOS, AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT FOR A GAS STATION.

SO I WOULD DEFINITELY LOVE FOR THIS TO BE REZONED INTO RESIDENTIAL, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S ALONG WITH THE HOUSING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, I WAS FOR THAT. THEY TOLD US THAT THAT'S WHAT WHAT WAS THE PLAN? AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT THEY COULDN'T ADDRESS THE FLOODING PART, WHICH WE HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT AND THE ENTRYWAY OF THE CONGESTION.

SO LIKE I SAID, I AM FOR RESIDENTIAL. I'M NOT FOR I'M READY FOR IT TO BE ZONED AWAY FROM COMMERCIAL BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A GAS STATION AT THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS CAUSED MANY PROBLEMS. SO YES, I DO WANT THIS TO BE REZONED AS RESIDENTIAL, BUT NOT APARTMENTS OUR CONDOS.

IF IT'S ALONG THE SIDE, IF THEY CAN GUARANTEE THAT.

I'M FOR THAT. THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD US IN THE MEETING.

I STAYED AND TALKED AND I ASKED QUESTIONS AFTER THE MEETING ALSO.

THAT'S WHAT THEY PROMISED US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM.

YES, SIR. YEAH. JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS FLOYD BAILEY. I LIVE IN THIS SUBDIVISION.

I'M AGAINST THE AGAINST IT BECAUSE THE FLOODING AND THE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF MONTICELLO WITH THAT LIGHT, IT WILL BE RIDICULOUS. OKAY? WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THERE AT ALL.

HOLLY. SO I AM JUST COMPLETELY AGAINST THAT. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? MR. HAGLER? KYLE HAGLER. I WORK WITH SJP GROUP ENGINEERING FIRM REPRESENTING THE LANDOWNER. CURRENTLY THIS LOT IS ZONED PRIMARILY C-2.

A SMALL PORTION IS C-1 WITHOUT ANY ZONING CHANGES SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED.

I KNOW A LOT OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT BUT WE CAN WE ALREADY CAN DO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED NURSING HOMES, ASSISTED LIVING GROUP HOMES, MULTIFAMILY. PER THE CURRENT ZONING, WE CAN PUT UP TO 419 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, DUPLEXES, GAS STATIONS, CONVENIENCE STORES, HOTELS, MOTELS, OFFICE, WAREHOUSE, ETC.

WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO ACTUALLY PUT A MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONING ON THIS TO STICK WITH RESIDENTIAL TO REMOVE THE POSSIBILITY OF, EXCUSE ME, OF MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL. THE, WE CURRENTLY CAN DO 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO A-1 ON THE PORTION FRONTING MONTICELLO, WHICH WOULD BE 75 FOOT LOTS.

IT ACTUALLY BE BIGGER LOTS ON MONTICELLO AND THEN DOING A.27 IN THE REAR.

SO WE COULD DO 50 FOOT LOTS IN THE IN THE REAR.

WE'RE TOLD, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR MARKET ADVISORS THAT HAVING BOTH OPTIONS WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S DRIVING THE DESIRE TO REZONE.

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WE'RE NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE AND WE'RE PLANNING ON FRONTING ON MONTICELLO BOULEVARD, GREENVILLE SPRINGS ROAD, RIGHT? THERE WOULD BE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY RESTRICTIVE FOR THAT THAT ENTRANCE AND THE CURRENT CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS ONLY 37 LOTS, WHICH IS LESS THAN 3 PER ACRE.

SO IT'S PRETTY LOW DENSITY. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'D LOVE TO ANSWER? WE'LL FINISH THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'LL.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL.

NO, NO. OH, YEAH. YES, SIR. PLEASE. KEVIN SULLIVAN DEVELOPER, PROPERTY RV-4-25WNER. I JUST WANT TO STATE WHAT KYLE WAS MENTIONING OF HOW AT THIS POINT, WITHOUT IT BEING APPROVED TO BE REZONED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SELL THE PROPERTY. WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP AND WE'VE HAD THE PROPERTY IN MY FAMILY FOR 40 YEARS.

WE DEVELOPED MONTICELLO ORIGINALLY. MY GRANDFATHER DID FRANK SULLIVAN, HE DEVELOPED PARK FOREST.

I'M TRYING TO CONTINUE THAT. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS.

I MEAN, OTHER THAN US MAINTAINING IT, IT'S BECOME A TAX BURDEN ON US EVERY YEAR.

THE MAINTENANCE, PROPERTY TAXES AND WHATNOT. SO WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF SELLING THE PROPERTY IF WE DON'T GET IT REZONED.

WE'LL PROBABLY JUST PUSH FORWARD WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT WANT AND I AGREE, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY. I'D MUCH RATHER DO 37 HOUSES OR IF WE CAN GET IT REZONED IN THE MEETING WE DID HAVE, IT WAS A SHORT NOTICE.

I CAN APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE HAD 40 TO 50 PEOPLE AND MAYBE 2 OR 3 ACTUALLY OPPOSED IT.

THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE ANSWERED, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE COULDN'T ANSWER.

WE CAN'T GET TO UNTIL WE HAVE A REZONE AND WE CAN PUT THAT MONEY INTO THE DESIGN INSTEAD OF WASTING THAT, THAT DOLLAR TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING FOR NO REASON, SO IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY SMART.

SO THAT'S ALL I GOT. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

MR. HAGLER, YOU SAID YOU KIND OF STATED SOME OF THE USES THAT YOU COULD HAVE NOW, AND YOU SAID YOU CAN DO RESIDENTIAL NOW AND YOU CAN DO 65 FOOT WIDE. 60 FOOT LOTS. 60 FOOT. AND YOU WANTED TO DO.

YEAH. SO THE A1, WHICH WOULD BE 75 FOOT. OKAY, SO WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE, ON THE MONTICELLO SIDE, ACTUALLY GOING TO A BIGGER MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THEN IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WOULD GO TO A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE JUST LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MOSTLY A.1 AROUND IT.

WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE LOT WIDTHS IN THAT A.1 THAT'S SURROUNDING IT? I WANT TO SAY RYAN MIGHT BE ABLE TO CORRECT ME THAT THEY'RE 60 TO 70.

RYAN. YOU KNOW.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT A.1 REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 75 FOOT LOT, LOT WIDTH. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE IN MONTICELLO IS NON-CONFORMING, OR WOULD THEY TYPICALLY BE 75 FOOT? THEY'RE TYPICALLY AROUND 75 FOOT.

THEY MAY BE A LITTLE SMALLER AND IN THAT CASE IT WOULD BE LEGAL NONCONFORMING.

OKAY. SO I AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS, IS THERE IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU WOULDN'T JUST DO A.1 ON ALL OF IT AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION? WELL, WE'RE CURRENTLY CAN DO THE, THE 60 FOOT LOTS WITH CURRENT ZONING AND WE'RE LOOKING TO DO A MIXED SIZE. SO THE 50 FOOT IN THE REAR WE THINK WOULD HAVE A BETTER MARKETABILITY BUT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT MIGHT BE A TOUCH SMALLER THAN WHAT'S ON THAT BOULEVARD.

SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AS A GIVE AND TAKE, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THE 75 FOOT ON THE FRONT SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE BOULEVARD, WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING. WELL, AND SEE, THAT'S WHERE AND I QUESTION THIS, THIS IS THE REASON I, I WANTED TO SPEAK ON IT IS BECAUSE I SEE THIS A LOT WHERE THE INTENT YOU SAY THE MARKETABILITY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S CHANGING WHAT'S IN THERE, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN SELL MORE TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK.

SO YES, YOU CAN MARKET IT A LOT EASIER WHEN YOU'RE DOING SMALLER LOTS AND IT'S TYPICALLY SMALLER HOUSES IN THAT REGARD, AND YOU COULD FIT MORE AND SELL THEM FOR A CHEAPER PRICE AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT GETTING GETTING THEM GONE/ BUT WHEN YOU'RE CHANGING

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I MEAN, DID Y'ALL LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF DOING IT ALL WITH 75 FOOT AND MAKING IT LOOK LIKE WHAT'S SURROUNDING IT RIGHT NOW? YEAH, IT DOESN'T WORK. THE THE BETTER OPTION WOULD BE GO MULTIFAMILY AT THAT POINT, JUST FROM A NUMBER STANDPOINT.

CORRECT. OKAY. MAKES SENSE. AND I BELIEVE RYAN CAN BACK ME UP, BUT I WANT TO SAY A.27 HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THAT AREA IN THE PAST, NOT EXACTLY RIGHT NEXT TO US, BUT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY OUT OF THE THE NORM. YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ADJACENT TO IT LOOKS LIKE IF IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL, IT'S A.1. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN SCENARIOS WHERE THERE'S A FAR HIGHER DENSITY PUT NEXT TO LOWER DENSITY AND IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT'S NEVER WELCOMED AND I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS GOOD PERSONALLY, AND I WOULDN'T WANT IT NEXT TO ME. I'D PREFER, I THINK IT LOOKS FAR BETTER WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE KEEPING UP THE SAME STANDARD AND SAME LOT WIDTHS THROUGHOUT. I KNOW FROM A NUMBERS STANDPOINT, FROM, FROM MARKETABILITY, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER.

THE MORE YOU CAN FIT, THE MORE YOU CAN SELL BUT. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A TOTAL LOT COUNT, IT'S THE THE VERSATILITY IN THE LOT SIZES THAT WE COULD PROBABLY FIT A SIMILAR AMOUNT OF 60 AS WE CAN, 75 AND 50 RIGHT BUT IT IT'S IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THE DEVELOPER AND THEIR TEAM TO, TO DO THIS. AND WE TRULY THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A NET POSITIVE FOR EVERYBODY.

YOU REMOVE THE COMPLETE POSSIBILITY OF MULTI-FAMILY DUPLEXES, APARTMENTS, GAS STATIONS, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

NO ONE COULD COULD EVER DO ANYTHING THERE WITHOUT COMING BACK.

EVEN IF SOMETHING FALLS THROUGH ON THIS, YOU REMOVE THAT POSSIBILITY ALTOGETHER AND IT FEELS LIKE A NET BENEFIT TO EVERYBODY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT'S. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COUNCILMAN HURST.

HEY, SO THEY THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. THE, THE MEETING THAT THEY HAD WAS NOT REQUIRED.

THEY DID IT OUT OF GOOD FAITH TO THE COMMUNITY.

OUT OF THE 50 PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE, THERE WERE REALLY ONLY 2 PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION.

1 GUY WHO ASKED ABOUT AARON'S FAVORITE DEAL WITH THE WHAT WAS PAUL SAWYER OVER THE THE DIVERSION CANAL? YUP. AND 1 PERSON WAS CONCERNED ABOUT EXITING THE COMMUNITY.

THAT WAS THE ONLY 2 CONCERNS THAT WERE THERE.

EVEN MR. FLOYD IN THE BLUE SAID THAT HE WAS AGAINST THE COMMERCIAL AND THE MULTIFAMILY, BUT WAS FULL OF THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF IT.

SO THAT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE IN TERMS OF INTEGRITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO DRAG, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A.Q1. IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE 2.7.

HE'LL BE LOOKING IN THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE JUST APPROVED A BUNCH OF LOTS FOR 2.7.

EVERYTHING AROUND IT THAT BACKS UP TO IT IS 2.7, 2.6.

SO IT'S STILL KEEPING WITHIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

AND IN THAT MEETING WITH THE 50 PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE THAT SHOWED UP, REALLY NOBODY WAS AGAINST IT EXCEPT FOR 1 PERSON THAT WAS AGAINST .

THE TRAFFIC, NOT THE SIZE OF THE HOMES AND THE OTHER PERSON HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE DIVERSION CANAL AND FLOODING AND SO THE DEVELOPER TALKED ABOUT BUILDING 2 100 YEAR FLOOD MORATORIUM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO TO TO PREVENT FLOODING, WHICH SATISFIED THE COMMUNITY AND AGAIN, THERE'S CURRENTLY THE SAME ZONING AND THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, BOTH OF THEM. SO DIRECTLY BEHIND HERE IS 2.7.

AND IN THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS 2.7. YOU GOT TO LOOK, YEAH, IT'S A BIGGER MAP.

IT'S A STREET OVER FROM THERE. SO THIS WOULD PROVIDE A FRONTAGE THAT WOULD STAY IN LINE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN COMMITTED TO DOING RANCH STYLE HOUSES, THE NEWER VERSION, SO THAT THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THE BIGGEST THING THAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS I'VE HAD TO WORK WITH THE SHERIFF'S FOR 2 REASONS.

THE APARTMENTS JUST HAD A SHOOTING ON [INAUDIBLE] AND PRESCOTT, AS GREAT AS THEY ARE AND AS GOOD AS THEY WERE BUILT. THEY HAD A MURDER IN HOWARD PLACE, AND THIS IS A GREAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER, RIGHT? WE'VE HAD DRUG DEALING AT THE WHICH IS WHAT MISS JONES WAS TALKING ABOUT AT THE THE GAS STATION ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BEST, HIGHEST USE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT KEEPS IT IN LINE AND WHAT KEEPS THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER IS WHAT THEY DID.

AND I THINK IT WAS A HAPPY MEDIUM BECAUSE THEY CAME THERE WITH A BUNCH OF SMALLER HOUSES AT FIRST AND THEY SAID,

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Y'ALL JUST APPROVED THE SAME THING IN 2.7, JUST FYI.

THE SAME BODY DID IT. SO THAT PROVIDES BOTH THE INTEGRITY OF THE THE DRIVE IN, BUT ALSO SMALLER HOUSES IT WAS SMALLER LOT SIZES, WHICH MATCHES THE OTHER PORTION OF MONTICELLO, WHICH WE CALL THE NEWER PORTION OF MONTICELLO.

RIGHT. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. THERE WAS SOME MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHERE I STOOD WITH THIS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, BUT I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF IT. I'D RATHER THIS OVER 412 APARTMENTS, AND WHAT HAS BEEN MADE CLEAR BY THE DEVELOPER IS THAT ONE OR THE OTHER IS GOING TO HAPPEN, HE SAID. AT THIS POINT, THIS PROPERTY, HE SAID, THE GREAT THING ABOUT INHERITANCE IS THAT IT LEAVES A LEGACY.

THE BAD THING IS IT LEAVES TAX BURDENS. HE'S HAD TO PAY FOR THE PROPERTY, CUT THAT, CUT THE GRASS AND AT THIS POINT, IT'S AN ASSET ON PAPER, BUT IT'S A FINANCIAL LIABILITY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

HE SAID WE'RE NOT SELLING IT, WE'RE DEVELOPERS.

SO IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE THE 37 HOUSES OR 412 APARTMENTS AND SO FOR ME TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY, I'M ASKING FOR THE 37 HOUSE TO BE APPROVED BECAUSE I LIVE THERE AS WELL.

SO I DON'T WANT THE 412, AND NEITHER DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE NEIGHBORS, OR EVEN SOMEBODY WHO'S IN MAY HAVE SPOKEN TODAY WILL TELL YOU IF I HAD TO PICK BETWEEN THE TWO, IT WOULD BE THE 37 HOUSES. SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH AND I ASK THAT THE THE COUNCIL VOTE TO APPROVE IT.

IS THAT OKAY? WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HURST TO APPROVE.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HUDSON.

COUNCILMAN MOAK. THE DEVELOPER COME UP? ARE YOU PLANNING ON LEAVING THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE START OF THE SUBDIVISION? BECAUSE EVERYTHING ACROSS THE STREET'S COMMERCIAL EXCEPT FOR WHERE IT STARTS AT CANTERBURY, THAT'S THE ONLY 1 SMALL STRIP THAT'S IN FRONT OF WHAT I CONSIDER A BUFFER ZONE WITH THE CREEK.

DID Y'ALL PLAN ON LEAVING THAT BUFFER ZONE. THAT'S ON [INAUDIBLE] SPRINGS SIDE OR BEHIND IT? MONTICELLO. MONTICELLO AND CANTERBURY. OKAY. THERE'S A CREEK THAT GOES RIGHT THERE UNDERNEATH MONTICELLO AND RUNS STRAIGHT THROUGH.

THERE'S A BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN BASICALLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE START OF THE SUBDIVISION.

OKAY. EXCEPT FOR A FEW HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE CANTERBURY DRIVE IS, THERE'S 8 HOUSES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY STEADY BUFFER ZONE RIGHT THERE.

THAT SHOULD BE AN ENGINEERING QUESTION BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THAT.

KYLE. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE PORTION THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C-1 THAT FRONTS? I'M REFERRING TO THE PORTION AND RYAN, IF YOU CAN HELP OUT, I DON'T KNOW THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST OR WEST, BUT IF YOU GO DOWN MONTICELLO, I'M LOOKING AT IT ON THE MAP TOO.

OKAY. YEAH. YEAH.

THE C1. C1 SECTION. SO THERE'S CURRENTLY A A SERVITUDE OR A RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT EXISTING CANAL, THE ENGINEERING DEPOT CANAL, WE DON'T OWN THAT.

WE CAN'T TOUCH IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

OKAY. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE. I MEAN, THAT'S A DEFINITIVE BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT LOOKS LIKE. AGAIN, I'LL JUST REITERATE WHAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID BEFORE IS WHAT CAN BE PUT THERE NOW VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING, YOU KNOW WHEN IT FIRST CAME UP AND I SAW THE 4 TO 2, I WAS JUST LIKE, HOW, HOW DO YOU TURN THAT DOWN? YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO GO AGAINST OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WHEN THEY BRING SOMETHING BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

BUT I WOULD THINK THE BEST OPTION, YOU KNOW, FOR Y'ALL FOR MONTICELLO SUBDIVISION WAS, WOULD BE TO APPROVE THIS AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER Y'ALL WORK OUT SOMETHING, AS COUNCILMAN NOEL SAID, WITH THE DIFFERENT LOT SIZES OR CAN, CAN DO A MORE ENHANCED CONFIGURATION TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE LOOK AND FEEL.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK OF THAT.

BUT I THINK THE BEST THING IN THE PLAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, I DON'T HAVE MY PLANS AND EVERYTHING PULLED UP OR SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY SENT US, BUT WE ALL BE GOING OUT ON THE GREENVILLE SPRINGS ROAD OR INTO MONTICELLO BOULEVARD.

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I MEAN, THAT'S A HUGE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I KNOW THAT EXITS OUT ONTO SHERWOOD FOREST.

WHEN YOU WEAVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT BUT IF THERE WAS A 2NDARY EMERGENCY EXIT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING. YES, SIR.

COUNCILWOMAN COLEMAN. YES, I'D LIKE THE RECORD TO REFLECT.

I AM ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND THERE WAS NO MISUNDERSTANDING.

THEY CAME AND HAVE ANSWERED QUESTIONS AND YES, A MEETING IS REQUIRED WHEN YOU ARE GOING IN OTHER FOLK NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN CUTTING GRASS AND FINANCIAL LIABILITY IF YOU OWN ANYTHING, THAT'S PART OF IT AS ME, I DO.

AND SO WHEN YOU SAY WHETHER THIS PASSED OR NOT, WHAT ALL YOU CAN DO.

YEAH, WE ALL KNOW ALL OF THAT BUT THAT 4-2 WAS DEFINITELY THE PLANNING AND ZONING MADE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT CAME BEFORE THEM AND THERE WERE MANY CONSTITUENTS THERE FROM THAT AREA THAT SPOKE UP AND OUT AGAINST THIS.

AND SO I'M GOING TO VOTE THE SAME WAY TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'LL BE HYPOCRITICAL FOR ME TO DO ANYTHING, ANY ANY ELSE OTHER THAN ANY ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT I DID THEN AND SO THAT IS IT.

SO NO, I'M NOT FOR THIS. I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

IF YOU ALL ARE WILLING TO, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE Y'ALL MAYBE NEED TO, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE HAVE A, ANOTHER MEETING WITH, WITH THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA TO REALLY DO A DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF MEETING Y'ALL HAD OR WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE.

BUT I THINK IF YOU CAN SHOW THEM SOME OPTIONS OF, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HERE'S WHAT'S SURROUNDING US. LIKE COUNCILMAN HURST SAID THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS WITH SIMILAR LOT SIZES, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN BUILT ON ALREADY, IF THEY ARE. YOU CAN CERTAINLY SHOWCASE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT AND HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND MAYBE Y'ALL CAN ALL COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON, ON HOW, HOW MANY HOUSES OR WOULD THE LOT SIZES ARE OR WHATEVER.

I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BEHOOVE YOU ALL TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THEM AND PUBLICIZE IT TO GET THE RIGHT TURNOUT SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM COUNCILWOMAN COLEMAN STANDPOINT, THERE WERE EVEN MORE PEOPLE AT THE PLANNING MEETING.

I, SO I, I WOULD OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO DEFER THIS ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT ZONING MEETING.

SO TO GIVE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A MEETING, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP Y'ALL PROBABLY COME, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE ON THIS AND EVERYBODY HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING FOR.

MOTION BY CHAIR A 2ND BY COUNCILWOMAN RACCA. COUNCILMAN HURST.

SO I WILL SUPPORT THE DEFERRAL AS WELL. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

BUT WHAT I WILL TELL Y'ALL AGAIN IS THAT THERE WERE 50 PEOPLE THERE AND THERE WERE 2 PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST IT.

THE SAME 2 PEOPLE SHOWED UP LAST TIME, WHICH WAS OR THREE, WHICH WAS MR. PRATT, WHO'S IN THE CROWD? KEISHA JACKSON AND THE GUY WHO WITH THE DIVERSION CANAL, THAT'S IT.

TODAY YOU HAVE MR. FLOYD WHO SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT COMMERCIAL, BUT HE'LL TAKE THE RESIDENTIAL.

YOU HAVE TANYA JONES. BOTH OF THOSE SIT ON THE SAME BOARD THAT HE SITS ON FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. I DON'T MIND DOING IT, BUT BUT YEAH.

AND LOOK, I I'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION, THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL. BUT IT'S COUNCILMAN HURST TURN.

I'LL GIVE HIM. BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO LET ME KNOW. COUNCILMAN.

IF YOU WANT TO ASK THEM. I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, THEY HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS.

THEY RESHAPED THE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS IN LINE OUT OF THE 50 COMMUNITY MEETING MEMBERS, YOU HAD 3 THAT HAD QUESTIONS. I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE DEFERRAL IS NEEDED.

I'M GOING TO ASK MISS JONES TO COME TO THE MIC AGAIN AND JUST DISCUSS THE MEETING.

I KNOW YOU CANNOT BECAUSE I ASKED MISS JONES TO COME.

NO I WON'T. CAN MISS JONES, DO YOU MIND COMING TO THE MIC BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T AT THE MEETING?

[00:30:04]

YOU WEREN'T THERE. YOU WEREN'T AT THE MEETING, MR. PRATT. NO, MR. PRATT, I'M GONNA LET MISS JONES TALK. YOU. BUT YOU WEREN'T.

MR. PRATT, NOBODY CAN HEAR YOU, WHO'S WATCHING THIS SO PLEASE.

YEAH. SO AND IT'S NOT DISRESPECTFUL. YOU JUST WEREN'T AT THE MEETING. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M SAYING THAT. SO MR. PRATT WASN'T AT THE MEETING, BUT THEY DID HAVE IT ON THE PHONE AND HE WAS LISTENING.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HE HEARD OR HOW MUCH HE DIDN'T HEAR, BUT HE WAS LISTENING ON THE SPEAKER.

I WAS AT THE MEETING. THERE WERE 3 PEOPLE THERE THAT HAD 3 CONCERNS.

OUT OF HOW MANY? IT WAS 3. OUT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE.

IT WAS ABOUT 50 PEOPLE THERE. EVERYBODY WAS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT NOT FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND NOT FOR APARTMENTS AND NOT FOR CONDOS, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN THE BACK IN PARK FOREST.

AND THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. SO IF THEY WAS OFFERING US THEIR LAND, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT.

BUT IF THEY ARE OFFERING US A DEAL, AS IN THEY WERE GIVING US SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD.

EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH THAT. I TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE AFTER THE MEETING.

I ASKED THEM ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AFTER THE MEETING ABOUT WHAT WERE THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND I WAS COMFORTABLE WHAT THEY PROPOSED. I FELT LIKE THEY WERE BEING HONEST AND OPEN, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

AND LIKE I SAID, IF THEY WERE OFFERING THAT OVER WHAT THEY COULD PUT.

OTHERWISE, I'M NOT FOR THAT. SO THAT'S HOW I STAND ON IT.

I'VE BEEN IN MONTICELLO SINCE THE LATE 70S. I'VE MOVED IN AND OUT, BUT I'M STILL THERE.

THAT'S WHAT I AGREE ON.

YOU WERE AT THE MEETING, AND I JUST WANT TO HEAR BACK THE REASON WHY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY ASKED IF THEY NEEDED TO SHOW UP TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AND I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T THINK SO BECAUSE IT WAS A DOWNGRADE AND ZONING, WHICH IS NORMALLY EXTREMELY ATTRACTIVE TO ANYBODY.

TO REMOVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOME OF THE UNDESIRABLES.

SO I ENCOURAGE THEM. I SAID, Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO WASTE YOUR TIME AND GO TO THE MEETING, ITS GOAL SHOULD BE OKAY. SOMETHING LIKE THIS JUST KIND OF FLIES THROUGH. SO WHEN I SAW THAT, IT WAS DENIED. NOW ROSSI WASN'T THERE. MASON WAS THERE.

IT WASN'T THERE. PEOPLE WHO WERE IN FAVOR OF IT AFTER THEY HEARD ABOUT IT.

SO IF THEY WERE THERE WOULD HAVE PASSED AND THEN I GOT A CALL FROM ULYSSES ADAMS. I MEAN, ADDISON, WHO SAID THE ONLY REASON HE VOTED FOR IT, BECAUSE HE WASN'T AWARE AND HE WAS FOLLOWING CAROLYN COLEMAN'S LEAD ON THAT ONE.

THAT WAS A DIRECT CONVERSATION. SO HE SAID, IN THE FUTURE, HE'LL TEXT ME DIRECTLY TO SEE WHERE I STAND AND HOW I SUPPORT IT.

AND I'M PUTTING IT ON THE RECORD. SO, AND HAD HIS VOTE CHANGED, IT WOULD HAVE PASSED AT THE AT THE AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

HE JUST THOUGHT THAT I WAS AGAINST IT AND THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS AGAINST IT AND WHY NOBODY SHOWED UP.

AND I TOLD HIM BECAUSE IT WOULD EASILY IT WOULD IT WOULD EASILY PASS.

AND SO JUST GIVE ME YOUR 10 SECOND SPILL ON THE ATTENDANCE AND HOW EVERYBODY WAS AT THE MEETING.

THERE WERE ABOUT 50 PEOPLE AT THE MEETING. AND LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS MAYBE 2 OR 3.

THAT WAS AGAINST IT AND HAD QUESTIONS ON IT. SO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THERE.

SO I, I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO DO IT. ANOTHER ONE.

I MEAN, I, I HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES SUPPORT IT.

BUT THERE WAS OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO THANK YOU.

THERE WAS NO PEOPLE HERE IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE I TOLD THEM THEY DIDN'T NEED TO COME.

THAT'S WHY. SO HE NO BECAUSE THIS THIS GENTLEMAN SAID THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP 1 WAY OR THE OTHER, AND I AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO IF IT'S NOT REZONED, WHAT CAN WHAT CAN BE PUT IN C-1.

IT'S ONLY 3 PEOPLE C-1 AND C-2 WOULD ALLOW GROUP HOMES BY RIGHT MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS IS ACCURATE.

APPROXIMATELY 300 TO 400 APARTMENTS WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT ON THIS PROPERTY.

CEMETERY WOULD BE ALLOWED, WIRELESS TOWERS, CAR WASHES, CONVENIENCE STORES, RETAIL SALES OF ALCOHOL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT AT ABC TO DO THAT.

FUNERAL HOMES, TATTOO PARLORS, VAPE SHOPS MANUFACTURED HOME PARKS, MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR, SELF STORAGE FACILITY. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE INTENSE USES.

[00:35:03]

I MEAN, IF THIS GENTLEMEN IS GOING TO GOING TO DEVELOP ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OR CAN I ASK YOU THAT OPINION? THE ZONING CATEGORY THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS, IS SINGLE FAMILY.

IT'S 1 OF OUR MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONING CATEGORIES FOR SINGLE FAMILY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. CAN I SAY SOMETHING? COUNCILWOMAN HARRIS. SIR, NOT ONLY ON THE MICROPHONE.

NO, NO, NO, SOMEBODY'S GOT. IT'S, WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS IS THE COUNCIL'S TIME. SO IF ONE OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE WANT TO INVITE YOU UP AND ASK YOU A QUESTION, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. MR. PRATT, PLEASE COME UP. THANK YOU. LET ME SAY THIS.

WHEN YOU HEARD ME SPEAK, RIGHT. SPEAK A FEW MINUTES AGO, I NEVER SAID I OPPOSED IT.

I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IN THE SUBDIVISION.

NO ONE SAID I NEVER. WHEN I WENT TO THE, WHEN I WENT TO THE ZONING COMMISSION, I DIDN'T SAY I WAS AGAINST IT.

I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WHERE THEY CAN EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THIS TO THE SUBDIVISION.

THAT IS WHAT I SAID THERE. IT'S THE SAME THING I SAID HERE.

LET US GET MORE INFORMATION. WHEN I POSTED 1 OF THE THINGS I SAID THAT COULD THEY MEET WITH US AND MAYBE THEY COULD DROP IT FROM 37 HOMES TO 20 HOMES, OR THEY COULD BUILD A HOUSE THAT LOOKED MORE LIKE THE HOUSES IN MONTICELLO.

THAT IS WHAT I SAID, AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID UP HERE.

YOU DON'T HEAR? YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME SAY ONE TIME FOR THEM NOT TO BUILD AND THINK OF YOUR DADDY BUILT THAT SUBDIVISION.

ALRIGHT, BUT LOOK, I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN THERE.

I'VE BEEN THERE 41 YEARS, OKAY, I LIKE IT. MY NEIGHBOR'S BEEN THERE, SO I LIKE IT, BUT I DON'T.

I HAVE NEVER SAID I OPPOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

I JUST WANT THEM TO TALK ABOUT IT. MAKE US FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEIR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

NOBODY IN OUR SUBDIVISION WANTS TO HAVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES UP THERE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT DON'T THREATEN US WITH THAT. BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT.

THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA, WHAT'S ON OUR AGENDA IS MAKE US FEEL BETTER ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

WE KNOW THE NUMBERS AND HOPEFULLY WHAT YOU BUILD WILL LOOK LIKE.

WHAT'S BEEN IN MONTICELLO FOR NOW OVER 50 OR 60 YEARS THAT SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN THERE, THAT'S IT.

COUNCILMAN GAUDET THANK YOU SIR. CAN YOU CLARIFY THE MOTION THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR, PLEASE? SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HURST, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HUDSON TO APPROVE THEN A SUBSTITUTE MOTION BY MYSELF, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN RACCA TO DEFER TO THE APRIL ZONING MEETING.

DEFER 30. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. HAGLER.

IF A IF APPROVAL WERE TO GO THROUGH TONIGHT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR NEXT STEP IN THIS PROCESS? WE WOULD START THE PROCESS OF SUBDIVISION, PRELIMINARY PLAT, CONSTRUCTION PLANS, FINAL PLAT THAT THAT WHOLE PROCESS DRAINAGE STUDIES WORKING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION DEPARTMENT, GETTING APPROVAL, YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH THE HOA AND THE SUBDIVISION.

YEAH, WE'RE OPEN TO IT. THE DISCUSSION ABOUT GOING DOWN TO LIKE 20 LOTS MAKES IT NOT FEASIBLE.

BUT I MEAN, WE'RE SHOWING 37 LOTS, NOW THAT'S A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT.

IT MAY GO UP 1 DOWN COUPLE. I MEAN IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE ACTUAL ENGINEERING COMES.

WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW BIG THE DETENTION POND NEEDS TO BE SO THAT WE CAN DO 100 YEAR STORM. LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DESIGN STILL GOES INTO IT.

SO THE EXACT NUMBER ISN'T DETERMINED. BUT YEAH, WE WOULD START THE, THE TRADITIONAL PROCESS OF DOING A SUBDIVISION THROUGH THE BATON ROUGE SUBDIVISION OFFICE AND GET ROBERT'S APPROVAL AND ALL OF THAT.

CORRECT. AND THEN AT SOME POINT, YOU'D HAVE WHAT YOU WOULD INTEND TO BUILD AND YOU'D BE OPEN TO DISCUSSIONS AND MEETINGS WITH HOA.

CORRECT. WE'D BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING IT. YEAH, BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WORKS, RIGHT? UNDERSTOOD. IS THIS PART OF I'LL COME TO YOU? IS THIS PART OF THE MONTICELLO SUBDIVISION? WOULD THEY BE WOULD THEY JOIN THE HOA? YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE BUT WE COULD DISCUSS THAT.

I'M NOT SURE. ALL RIGHT. I'LL YIELD MY 3 MINUTES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I ONLY NEED 30S. THE ANSWER IS IT BE PART OF THE CRIME PREVENTION DISTRICT, WHICH IS ZONED IN THERE. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF HOA.

KEVIN, COME TO THE MIC RIGHT QUICK, PLEASE. WHAT DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASK YOU ABOUT MEETINGS AND WHAT DID Y'ALL COMMIT TO? I'M SORRY. THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL MEETINGS ALONG THE WAY, WE NEVER SAID WE WOULD NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS. I'M WILLING TO MEET AS MANY TIMES AS THEY WANT. TRY TO KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO DOWNGRADE ANYTHING.

I'M TRYING TO BETTER IT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA THAT I'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT.

[00:40:05]

I THINK IT NEEDS IT, THAT AREA HAS IS GOING IS GROWING A LITTLE BIT.

AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE SOME FUTURE WORK COMING THAT WAY. SOME DIFFERENT ROAD WORK AND THEY'VE ALREADY WIDENED. SHERWOOD. I THINK HOUSING IS GOING TO BE NEEDED OR IS NEEDED ALREADY. THEY'RE DOING SOME WORK IN THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING SOME HOUSES.

SO I THINK THE ROOFTOPS ARE NEEDED. WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS ON, ON OUR LIST OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW, BUT WE GOTTA HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND I'M WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I HOPE TO DO. SO YEAH, MEETING WITH THEM, WE CAN MEET EVERY WEEK. I WANT TO, YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT HE EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT I CAN'T INVEST THE MONEY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS UNTIL I GET THE APPROVAL.

I'M NOT GOING TO PUT THE MONEY OUT THERE, HE SAID.

BUT ONCE I GET TO THE FIRST PLAN, WE WILL COME AND AND HAVE A MEETING EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, WHICH IS ABOUT, HE SAID, ABOUT A 12 TO 18 MONTH PROCESS.

YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT HE EXPLAINED IN THE MEETING. THE NEIGHBORS ASKED AND HE COMMITTED TO DO THAT, SO THIS IS JUST THE FIRST OF MANY MEETINGS.

YEAH, WE CAN, BUT THE LOTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WORK FOR US FINANCIALLY, OBVIOUSLY.

IT'S IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION. BUT HOUSE DESIGN AND CURB APPEAL AND, AND WHATNOT.

DEFINITELY DISCUSS IT WITH THEM, AND I AIM TO, TO GET IT RIGHT AND MAKE THEM HAPPY WITH IT.

AND TANYA, DO YOU MIND COMING TO THE MIC, PLEASE? 1 SECOND. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM THAT THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE MEETINGS WAS ASKED TO THE RESIDENTS AND THAT THEY RESPONDED SAYING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS? YES, THAT WAS DEFINITELY ASKED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS JUST Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ON HAVING ANOTHER MEETING IF YOU WANTED ANOTHER MEETING OR NOT.

BEFORE WE VOTE. BUT IF Y'ALL. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITHDRAWING MY MOTION AND MOVING FORWARD IF.

OKAY. WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE, THOUGH, BECAUSE MR. PRATT HAS BEEN THERE FOR FOREVER. Y'ALL HAVE A 1 OFF WITH MR. PRATT AND JUST HAVE A DEEP DIVE WITH HIM TO MAKE HIM FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

YOU CAN'T ANSWER ALL THE DRAINAGE QUESTIONS AND ALL THAT OTHER KIND OF STUFF THAT YOU WANT TO ANSWER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE YET. YOU CAN'T YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THE MONEY TO DESIGN IT UNTIL YOU HAVE THE APPROVALS, WHICH I UNDERSTOOD.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT IT BE APPROVED TODAY SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE THOSE NEXT STEPS AND THEN MAKE MR. PRATT AND THE COMMUNITY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.

AND AGAIN, THE, THE MEETING WAS PACKED. IT WAS 50 PEOPLE THERE AND OF THE 50 AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT, MR. PRATT, THAT YOU AREN'T AGAINST IT. YOU JUST HAD QUESTIONS.

SO THAT MEANS THERE WAS ONLY ONE IN OPPOSITION AND 1 THAT HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DIVERSION CANAL.

THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION FOR DEFERRAL.

IS THERE ANY. [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL MR. PRATT. CAN YOU COME UP, MR. PRATT? YEAH. YOU. MY QUESTION IS ARE YOU ARE YOU GOOD WITH MEETING WITH THE GENTLEMAN? A 1 ON 1 MEETING WITH THEM TO GET YOUR ANSWERS? I WOULD RATHER I WOULD RATHER MEET WITH THE SUBDIVISION.

THERE ARE 900 HOUSES IN MONTICELLO. WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE 50 PEOPLE? THERE ARE 900 HOUSES IN MONTICELLO. I WOULD JUST LIKE THEM TO COME.

WE CAN. WE CAN ANNOUNCE THE MEETING A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME AND WE CAN BE AT THE LIBRARY, THE LIBRARY THERE.

YOU COULD GET 3 OR 400 IN THE MEETING AND HAVE THEM THE, AS YOU CALL IT, HOA.

THE CITIZENS ASSOCIATION DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION FOR 900 PEOPLE.

WHAT WE WANT IS, FOR A MAJORITY OF THOSE PEOPLE TO COME TO A MEETING AND LISTEN TO WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO, AND THEY AND THEY GAVE SOME OF THAT, I GUESS, AT THE OTHER MEETING.

BUT I WAS LISTENING IN BECAUSE I POSED QUESTIONS THROUGH THE PHONE TO OTHER PEOPLE ASK THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, WE WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ALL AND BEFORE THE WHOLE THING GOES THROUGH, IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, THEN INSTEAD OF MEETING WITH ME PERSONALLY, IF YOU WOULD MEET, WE COULD HAVE A MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MY SUBDIVISION.

LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE 900 HOUSES IN MONTICELLO, SO THAT'S WAY MORE THAN 50, 60, 70, 100.

I THINK WE CAN GET 3 OR 400 PEOPLE TO COME TO A MEETING, IF YOU ALL WOULD AGREE TO DO THAT AND LIKE I SAID, THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT APARTMENTS AND ALL THAT.

THEY WANT HOUSES IN THERE BUT IT'S KIND OF WE WANT TO HAVE THE HOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE MONTICELLO AND NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASK. AND CAN YOU ASSURE US ABOUT THESE OTHER THINGS? AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT A BUSINESS GUY HAS TO DO.

[00:45:02]

BUT ANYWAY, I, I JUST WANT TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, NOT AFTER IT HAPPENED, AFTER IT STARTS TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW THAT. THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, MR. PRATT. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HURST, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HUDSON. HUDSON TO APPROVE. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? WE HAVE OPPOSITION.

WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE MACHINES. MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE.

MOTION CARRIES. I'M GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN GAUDET.

YES. COUNCILMAN MOAK. YES. COUNCILWOMAN ADAMS. YES. COUNCILMAN HURST. YES. COUNCILWOMAN RACCA.

YES. COUNCILMAN. YES. COUNCILMAN HUDSON. YES.

COUNCILWOMAN AMOROSO. YES. COUNCILWOMAN COLEMAN.

NO. COUNCILMAN KENNEY. YES. COUNCILMAN HARRIS.

NO. THANK YOU. HEY, I'M GOING TO TAKE A PERSONAL POINT OF PRIVILEGE, AND I WANT TO THANK THEM.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHY THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO PUT A GROCERY STORE ON NORTH SHERWOOD FOREST AND ONE OF THEIR PROPERTIES.

AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE PRELIMINARY STAGES OF DEVELOPING AND BUILDING A CONCEPT PLAN TO DO THAT, TO CLOSE THE GAP IN A FOOD DESERT AND FOOD INSECURITY IN AN AREA THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE, BECAUSE THE HOUSEHOLD MEDIAN INCOMES AND THE ROOFTOPS ARE THERE.

SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT, AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT AND MR. PRATT, I WANT TO SAY THIS, THAT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE THEY TAKE ANY STEPS, THAT THE COMMUNITY IS HEARD.

AND THAT'S MY COMMITMENT TO YOU AND Y'ALL THINK Y'ALL KNOW THAT ALREADY. ANYBODY ELSE? SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL.

THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. ITEM 6 CASE 8-26 536 WEST IRENE ROAD TO REZONE FROM RURAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WEST IRENE

[6. 26-00233 CASE 8-26 536 West Irene Road]

COMMISSION ACTION, MOTION TO APPROVE. CARRIED 6-0. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? MY NAME IS JIM DOWLING. I'M THE APPLICANT AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S APPROVAL OF THIS CASE.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO 1, GO TO COUNCIL. MOTION BY CHAIR. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HARRIS.

DID THIS GUY HAVE A MEETING? ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES.

[7. 26-00234 CASE 9-26 9933 Hyacinth Avenue]

OFF STREET PARKING AND LIGHT, COMMERCIAL TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL TO ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HYACINTH AVENUE WEST OF BLUEBONNET BOULEVARD.

COUNCIL DISTRICT 12 RACCA. COMMISSION ACTION, MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED 6-0.

ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE WILL GO TO COUNCIL.

MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN RACCA. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HARRIS. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES ITEM 8,

[8. 26-00235 CASE 11-26 3176 Ozark Street and 3165 Winbourne Avenue]

COUNCIL DISTRICT 7, HARRIS. COMMISSION ACTION, MOTION TO APPROVE. CARRIED 6-0. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL. WE HAVE A MOTION. MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HARRIS, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN AMOROSO. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES.

COUNCILWOMAN AMOROSO. MEETING ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.