* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] WELCOME EVERYBODY [CALL TO ORDER] TO THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL ZONING MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST, 2026. WE'RE GONNA CALL THE MEETING ORDER. ASHLEY, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT. AS WE GO THROUGH THE ITEMS, PROPONENTS WILL SPEAK FIRST, THEN OPPONENTS FOLLOWING EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES, AND THE PROPONENTS WILL BE ALLOWED A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL AFTER THE OPPONENTS ARE FINISHED. ITEM ONE [1. 26-00887 CASE 22-26 9798 Greenwell Springs Road] CASE 22 DASH 26 9 7 9 8 GREENVILLE SPRINGS ROAD. THERE REZONED FROM LIGHT COMMERCIAL C ONE TO COMMERCIAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE RESTAURANT CA B ONE ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GREENVILLE SPRINGS ROAD, WEST OF PLATTE DRIVE COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE HEARST COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED NINE ZERO. THIS WAS DEFERRED ON OCTOBER 19TH, 2026. AND THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED ADDITIONAL DEFERRAL. UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE OR THE PROPONENT WISHING TO SPEAK? NO, HE'S NOT HERE. NO. ANY OPPONENTS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? PLEASE COME ON UPSTATE. YOUR NAME? YES MA'AM. OPPONENTS. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS DEBORAH DOW AND I LIVE AT 9 7 7 1 EAST SWING ALONG AVENUE. I'M REMINDED OF THE RESPONSE THAT COUNCILMAN HURST MADE DURING THE OCTOBER 7TH MEETING AFTER AN ELDERLY GENTLEMAN SAID THAT HE WAS 75 YEARS OLD, RETIRED AFTER WORKING SHIFT WORK AT A PLANT, AND VOICED HIS OPPOSITION. COUNCILMAN HURST'S RESPONSE WAS, YOU MADE GOOD MONEY. YOU SHOULD HAVE INVESTED IN A BUSINESS WHO WAS STANDING. THE GAP FOR US AS WE AGED, OUR SILENCED BY TECHNOLOGY, DISMISSED BY POLITICIANS, THOSE CONCERNS ARE WHAT LED TO THE LETTERS THAT EACH OF YOU RECEIVED, WHO WOULD BE FIGHTING TO KEEP FROM HAVING TO HAVE A REACTIVE RESPONSE TO ISSUES LIKE THE ONES THAT HAVE TAKEN SHAPE IN NORTH BATON ROUGE? I QUESTION, HOW DID NORTH BATON ROUGE BECOME THE EYESORE OF THE CITY WHO FOUGHT TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING? COUNCILMAN HURST HAS REPEATEDLY SAID THAT HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT GOES IN THE BUIL IN THE BUILDING SO LONG AS SOMETHING GOES IN THAT BUILDING. IS THAT THE ATTITUDE THAT I BELIEVE THAT CAUSED THE, THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE IN NORTH BATON ROUGE TO ALLOWANCE OF EPT UH, BUSINESSES LOCATING IN UNKEPT BUSINESSES, UH, BUILDINGS, TIRE SHOPS, LIQUOR STORES? THIS IS A SITUATION THAT WE ARE FACING THE SITUATION OF A BUSINESS WANTING TO LOCATE IN A JUNKY YARD, WHICH IS DISGUISED AS A OUTDOOR STORAGE FACILITY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MR. KUBOTA OPENING A BUSINESS, BUT I'VE WATCHED COUNCILMAN HURST BECOME THE MOUTHPIECE OF, UH, MR. KUBOTA. IT IS SAID THAT PAST BEHAVIOR IS INDICATIVE OF FUTURE BEHAVIOR. MY QUESTION IS, WHY DIDN'T YOU DEMAND THAT MR. KUBOTA COMPLETE THE PROJECT THAT HE STARTED ON THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREETS, WHICH FLOOD, WHICH FLOODED IN 2016 AND HAS BEEN SITTING VACANT FOR 10 YEARS? YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING $20 MILLION FOR DEVELOPMENT ON PLANK ROAD. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT TO HAPPEN TO US WHERE WE COME AND BEG FOR $20 MILLION TO REVITALIZE OUR AREA. COUNCILMAN MO QUESTIONED THE ZONING AMONG A CORNER STORE THAT WAS ONCE A SHELL STATION THAT SITS ACROSS FROM MR. KUBOTA'S PROPERTY. MOMS DIDN'T HAVE TO REZONE BECAUSE IT CAME UNDER THE OLD ZONING OF THE SHELL STATION, WHICH IS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO US BY THE A B, C BOARD THAT ONCE IT'S REZONED, IT'S ALWAYS REZONED FOR PRESENT AND FUTURE TENANTS. THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT COUNCILMAN HURST SAID THAT WHEN WE ASKED WHY IS HE FIGHTING TO GET THE REZONING, THE ANSWER WAS, WHEN PEOPLE, WHEN RESTAURANTS SELL ALCOHOL, THEY SIT AND THEY SPEND MORE MONEY. WE CALL THAT LOTTERY. WE CALL THAT LINGERING, AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHY WE'RE FIGHTING. SO COUNCILMAN HURST CONSTANTLY SAYS THAT WE HAVE PTSD, WE HAVE PAFC PRESENT AND FUTURE CONCERNS. AND FOR THAT, I ASK THAT YOU VOTE NO. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LILLIAN GRASSLEY. I'VE LIVED IN PARK FOREST SINCE 1997. I AM A RETIRED BANKER. UM, WITH THIS PROJECT, IT MAKES NO SENSE FINANCIALLY AT ALL. SO IT MAKES ME [00:05:01] CONCERNED THAT THERE'S AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE THAT WILL SURFACE DOWN THE ROAD AFTER THIS PROJECT IS REZONED TO, UM, ALLOW THE, THE CONSUMPTION AND SELL OF ALCOHOL. AND I SEE NOW ON HERE, THERE'S ONE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S NOW GOING FROM ALCOHOL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END GAME IS, BUT THE NUMBERS ON THIS THING MAKES NO SENSE. SUPPOSEDLY THEY'LL SPEND A $3 MILLION INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPERTY THAT CAN ONLY SEAT 30 PEOPLE AT A TIME. THE PARKING CAN'T EVEN ACCOMMODATE 30 PEOPLE AT A TIME. SO IT, IT, IT MAKES NO SENSE. SO IT BEGS THE QUESTION TO ME, WHAT'S THE REAL ISSUE HERE WITH WHY THIS IS SUCH A CRITICAL PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE, UH, REZONED AND OPERATED AS A SUPPOSED RESTAURANT THAT'S GONNA HAVE AT LEAST FIVE BIG SCREEN TVS, SEVEN DAIQUIRI MACHINES, AND CAN ONLY SEE 30 PEOPLE AT A TIME? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS REQUEST TO DEFER IS THIS THING HAS, THIS IS THE SECOND DEFERMENT. I THINK IT'LL BE 90 DAYS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT MONSTROSITY OF A STORAGE FACILITY THAT SITS AT THE FRONT OF OUR SUBDIVISION. NOW, IT WAS A SIMILARLY ISSUED DEAL. WE, THE, Y'ALL CHANGED THE SIZE OF THE, UH, NOTIFICATION REQUEST. SO WE WEREN'T AWARE THAT IT WAS, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO HAVE IT REZONED AND THAT ONE ENDED UP LANDING RIGHT AROUND THANKSGIVING WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING AND MOVING AROUND. AND THE HEARING WAS IN DECEMBER. SO WE MISSED IT AS THE OFFICERS TO BE ABLE TO RALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO OBJECT TO THAT. AND NOW IT IS A VERY BAD EYESORE FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT. WE'RE TRYING TO STOP THIS ONE, AND IF WE GOTTA COME HERE 15 TIMES TO OBJECT TO IT, WE'LL BE READY TO DO THAT. BUT Y'ALL NEED TO THINK BEYOND WHETHER IT MAKES, WHETHER IT MEETS THE CRITERIA. THINK ABOUT THE MOTIVE. WOULD YOU INVEST $3 MILLION INTO A RESTAURANT THAT CAN ONLY SEE 30 PEOPLE AT A TIME? IF YOU OR I GOT A BRIDGE OUT THERE, I WANT TO SELL YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL, UH, DARIUS WASHINGTON. I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. I LIVE IN PARK FOREST AS WELL. UM, MY EXPRESS MY CONCERNS ARE BASICALLY, UM, AS THE NARRATIVE HAS, HAS BEEN PUT OUT THERE THAT WE ARE AGAINST MR. CAB KUBOTA. I HAVE NI DON'T KNOW MR. KUBOTA. SO I HAVE NO GRUDGE WITH MR. KUBOTA AT ALL. MY CONCERNS ARE FOR THE LOCATION. MR. MR. CAB KUBOTA CAN LIVE 50 MORE YEARS TO BE A PERFECT TENANT. SOMEONE ELSE MOVES IN BEHIND THEM AND THEY'RE A WORST TENANT. AND NOW WE'VE LOST CONTROL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN PREVIOUSLY. UM, ONCE, ONCE SOMETHING IS ZONED, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, ONCE IT IS INCREASED AND ZONING IT, IT'S HARD TO GET IT TO COME BACK. SO WE'RE GOING FROM C ONE TO AB ONE. IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO REVERT THAT BACK TO A C ONE TO MY UNDERSTANDING. UM, ALSO WHEN WE LEFT THIS MEETING ON, WAS IT THE 21ST OF AUGUST, I BELIEVE WHEN WE DEFERRED THE 19TH OF AUGUST, WE DEFERRED THAT DAY. WE LEFT HERE WITH THE INITIATIVE THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A MEETING HELD FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS OF PARK FOREST. WHEN DID THE MEETING HAPPEN? SEPTEMBER 29TH. WHEN DID WE FIND OUT? THREE DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING. IS THAT FAIR TO US? IS THAT FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS OF PARK FOREST? I DON'T THINK SO. SO FOR THAT, I'M JUST LAYING OUT FACTS FOR YOU GUYS. I HOPE YOU GUYS WOULD OPPOSE THIS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TE JACKSON. I LIVE IN PARK FOREST. MY HUSBAND AND I, THAT WAS OUR STARTER HOME. WE PURCHASED THIS HOME STRAIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE. UM, WE MOVED TO BATON ROUGE AND WE MOVED TO PARK FOREST. IN THE 20 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN THERE AND RAISED OUR THREE CHILDREN, IT HAS DETERIORATED. WE HAD A SUPERMARKET IN THAT SUBDIVISION TACO BELL, AN ICE CREAM SHOP, SUBWAY NAIL SHOP. IT WAS, IT WAS VIBRANT. UM, IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, IT HAS, WE'VE LOST BUSINESSES. WHEN YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT, YOU WILL LOSE A WHEEL BECAUSE OF THE, THE SHAPE, THE CONDITION THAT PARKING LOT IS IN. THE FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN IS WHEN MR. DUNN ALLOWED A JUNKYARD TO BE PLACED IN THAT DISTRICT. I KNOW IT WAS NOT, UH, MR. HURST'S DISTRICT AT THE TIME. UM, BUT THE COMMUNICATION TO THE PEOPLE IN DISTRICT FIVE WAS HORRIBLE. UM, IT WASN'T TRANSPARENT. AND WE ENDED UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS AN EYESORE. THAT AREA HAS BECOME BLIGHTED. [00:10:01] UM, MY CHILDREN IS GROWN. MY CHILD JUST GRADUATED AND SHE'S BACK. SHE DOES NOT WANT TO LIVE IN PARK FOREST. SHE DOES NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THAT AREA, AS MR. KA BOOTY SAID, MR. HER SAID IS DYING. IT'S DEAD. WE ASKED FOR A SUPERMARKET. THE SUPERMARKET IS NOT BEING PLACED BACK IN THAT COMMUNITY. IT'S BEING PLACED SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE AS MR. HIRST SAID, IT'S WORLD WAR III. SO WE HAVE A RIGHT TO WANT OUR AREA TO BE PROGRESSIVE AND TO BE, UM, VITAL. WE ARE NOT AGAINST A BUSINESSES, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN THE BUSINESSES THAT WE DO ALLOW TO INVEST IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND A BUSINESS THAT SERVES ALCOHOL AT THE OPENING OF OUR, UH, SUBDIVISION IS NOT WHAT WE WANT. WE, THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE CAME TO YOU AND WE VOICED OUR OPINIONS THAT WE DO NOT WANT IT. UM, WE ELECTED YOU TO REPRESENT US. AND IF WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANTED, WE WANT A SUPERMARKET, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD GET. SO, MY MY MY POINT, AND I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THIS BECAUSE IN NORTH BATON ROUGE, WE NEED TO SEE REVITALIZATION, NOT FURTHER DETERIORATION. WE DON'T WANT THE TYPICAL STEREOTYPICAL BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS WITH, UH, LIQUOR STORES ON EVERY CORNER. WE WANNA SEE OUR KIDS STAY IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND GROW OUR COMMUNITIES. AND I ASK THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JACQUELYN ROWN LEE, AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARK FOREST CRIME DISTRICT. I'M GONNA SPEAK ON WHY I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DEFER THIS. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO DENY THE DEFERRAL REQUESTED FOR THE 97 98 GREEN SPRINGS ROAD AND PROCEED WITH THE SCHEDULED HEARING. I RECOGNIZED MR. CODY'S CAO'S RIGHT TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND I RESPECT THE COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT ALL ALL PARTIES HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND PREPARED. HOWEVER, FAIRNESS NEED FAIRNESS MUST EXTEND TO THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT. OUR RESIDENTS HAVE MADE ARRANGEMENTS TAKEN AWAY FROM WORK AND PREPARE TO ATTEND TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS MEETING DATE HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR TWO MONTHS. MR. CAMBODIA HAS HAVE HAD AMPLE TIME TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT WAITED UNTIL OCTOBER THE SEVENTH TO HOLD A MEETING. THE REQUEST CONTINUED TO HOLD MEETINGS AT THIS LATE. THE REQUEST TO CONTINUE HOLDING MEETINGS AT THIS LATE STAGE SHOULD NOT BE REASON TO DELAY THIS MATTER FURTHER, THE APPLICANT LACK OF TIMELY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT BECOME THE BURDEN OF THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE DONE THEIR PART TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS. IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO GRANT A DEFERRAL DESPITE OUR OPPOSITION, I REQUEST THAT THE NAMES OF ALL RESIDENTS PRESENT TONIGHT BE ENTERED INTO THE OFFICIAL MEETING RECORD TO DOCUMENT THEIR PARTICIPATION AND OPPOSITION TO THIS POSTPONEMENT. I ALSO REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL ACKNOWLEDGE ON THE RECORD MY REQUEST FOR PERMISSION TO READ STATEMENTS FOR RESIDENTS WHO AUTHORIZED ME TO, IF THEY CAN'T ATTEND THE NEXT MEETING, OUR COMMUNITY HAS SHOWN UP PREPARE TO SPEAK AND FULFILL ITS RESPONSIBILITY TO PARTIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS. WE SHOULD NOT BE PENALIZED FOR THE APPLICANT. APPLICANT'S DECISION TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO ENGAGE WITH RESIDENTS TO POSTPONEMENT DOES NOT ERASE THE TIME, EFFORT, AND CONCERNS OUR RESIDENTS HAVE ALREADY INVESTED IN THIS MATTER. OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES MORE THAN ANOTHER DELAY. WE DESERVE ACCOUNTABILITY, FAIRNESS, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD. I URGE THIS COUNSEL TO DENY THE DEFERRAL, RESPECT THE TIME AND COMMITMENT OF THESE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE, WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT AND PROCEED WITH THE SCHEDULED HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM ON ONTARIO CARNEY AND I'VE LIVED IN PARK FOREST FOR 33 YEARS. I HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO, UH, TO REZONING, UM, TO BOTH THE REZONING AND PLANNING AND REZONING MEMBERS AS WELL AS METRO COUNCIL. I'VE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTATION TO METRO COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING MY STANCE ON THIS ITEM. IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT I HAVE TO BE HERE AGAIN TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION. YOU HAVE ALREADY HEARD AND ACKNOWLEDGED OUR CONCERNS BECAUSE OF OUR PRESENCE AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS. THE SAME [00:15:01] CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, VIOLENCE, LOUD NOISE, AND LOITERING EXIST. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC FORUM WAS OVER. THIS APPLICANT HAS MULTIPLE BLIGHTED PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. COUNCILWOMAN HA HARRIS CA UM, QUESTIONED HIM ABOUT ONE OF THE PROPERTIES IN HER DISTRICT THAT HE CLAIMED HE DID NOT KNOW OF. HE HAS PROPERTY ON GREENVILLE SPRINGS ROAD THAT WAS REPORTED TO THREE ONE ONE CALL CENTER AS WELL AS TO MAYOR SID EDWARDS BUSINESS BLIGHT CAMPAIGN. THIS IS A PICTURE, I HAVE A PICTURE OF THE PROPOSED BUSINESS NOW WITH WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. AND I'LL SUBMIT THAT WITH A JUNK VEHICLE OR A DISABLED VEHICLE. VEHICLE AND THE DUMPSTERS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN EMPTIED. UM, HE HAS PROVEN TO BE AN IRRESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNER. SO WILL HE TAKE CARE OF A BUSINESS OF THE BUSINESS PROPERTY? WILL HE TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BUS BUSINESS ONCE HE HAS BEEN APPROVED? SECONDLY, COUNCILMAN HIRST CONTINUES TO STATE THAT THIS DISTRICT DOES NOT HAVE A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT. SOMEONE STATED, YEAH, WE HAVE POPEYE'S AT WHICH THE COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN HIRST RESPONDED. THAT'S A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT. IT'S NOT A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT. WELL, MR. KEBO HAS STATED THAT HIS MENU INCLUDES FRIED CHICKEN, CHICKEN TENDERS, FISH ROTISSERIE CHICKEN, AND HEALTHY SIDES. TO QUOTE MR. KEBO, POPEYE'S MENU INCLUDES FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AND FISH. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MR. KIBO'S RESTAURANT AND POPEYE'S? THE DIFFERENCE IS HE WILL HAVE DAIQUIRIS AND ALCOHOL IN, IN RELATION TO THE DEFERMENT DEFERRAL. UM, I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE PROCEED. WE HAVE BEEN TO THESE MEETINGS SEVERAL TIMES, AS ALREADY STATED, MEMBERS HAVE ARRANGED, OUR RESIDENTS HAVE ARRANGED TO BE HERE AWAY AND TAKEN TIME FROM THEIR JOBS. IT IS UNFAIR FOR US TO HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN. I SUBMITTED A MESSAGE TO EACH ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THIS MORNING BECAUSE WE LEARNED OF THE DEFERMENT LATE THIS, UH, LATE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND AGAIN THIS MORNING. SO IT IS UNFAIR FOR US TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. AND I'M REQUESTING THAT WE MAKE A DECISION AND END THIS TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. SEE YOU NOW. WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN HURST. FIRST OF ALL, THANK Y'ALL FOR SHOWING UP. I THINK THE, THE OUTCRY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS STRONG. NORTH BATON ROUGE NEEDS MORE NEIGHBORHOODS AS VOCAL AS YOU ARE. UM, AND YOU DID SEVERAL. Y'ALL HAVE BEEN TREMENDOUS SUPPORTERS. AND LIKE I'VE SAID IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, I'VE STOOD BY YOUR SIDE TO SHUT DOWN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR TO FIVE OTHER PLACES THAT HAD ALCOHOL SALES. RYAN, CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC PLEASE? WE DID HOLD THE PUBLIC MEETING. A BC BOARD WAS THERE. SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS THERE, UH, PLANNING THE ZONING WAS THERE. RYAN, BASED ON THE CURRENT USES OF THIS, UH, ZONING, CAN YOU NAME SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT COULD GO IN PLACE IF THIS WERE NOT THE PASSED? CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS C ONE, LIKE COMMERCIAL, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR A FOOTPRINT REZONING TO CAB ONE, WHICH IS A RESTAURANT ZONING WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE, THE SALES HAVE TO BE FOOD. IT'S ENFORCEABLE BY THE A B, C OFFICE. OTHER SPECIFIC USES UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING WOULD BE A VAPE SHOP, A TATTOO PARLOR, A LIQUOR STORE, UH, RETAIL AND GENERAL SALES WOULD ALL BE ALLOWED. COULD HE OPEN A DACKER SHOP UNDER HIS CURRENT ZONING WITHOUT HAVING TO COME SEE US? THAT WAS STATED BY THE A BC OFFICE AT THAT COMMUNITY MEETING. IT'S NOT SOMETHING IN OUR UDC THAT'S CALLED OUT, BUT PACKAGED RETAIL SALES WOULD BE ALLOWED AT THIS SITE. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE A BC OFFICE CLASSIFIES DAIQUIRIS THAT ARE NOT CONSUMED ON SITE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED, RYAN. SO CAB ONE IS CONSIDERED A DOWNGRADE FROM WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE. JUST FY IT'S A DOWNGRADE. THERE'S NOT AN UPGRADE. CURRENTLY THEY CAN SELL LIQUOR WITHOUT COMING TO THE COUNCIL. I WANNA MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. I DID NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD YESTERDAY AND I NOTIFIED THE BOARD THAT I'LL BE REQUESTING A DEFERRAL. I DO APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING UP, BUT I RESPECTED YOUR TIME ENOUGH TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. BUT I'M ALSO GOING TO GIVE THE APPLICANT HIS DUE DILIGENCE AS WELL AS HE'S HAD SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT WANTED TO REACH [00:20:01] OUT TO HIM, COME SEE THE BUILDING SCHEDULE TIMES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFORMATION THAT THEY WERE RECEIVING WAS CORRECT. Y'ALL ARE GETTING ONE SIDE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT MEETING. THERE WAS ALSO A RESIDENT THAT STOOD UP THAT SAYS, I'VE BEEN THERE 30 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN 30 BUSINESSES CLOSED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE. 'CAUSE I MADE A COMMENT PRIOR TO THAT SAYING THAT GREENWELL SPRINGS IS BECOMING A NEW PLANK ROAD. AND HE SAID, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A FOOD DESERT. I DON'T WANNA LIVE IN A GROCERY STORE DESERT. I WANT MY PROPERTY VALUES TO GO UP. THEY DO NOT GO UP WITHOUT AMENITIES TO SUPPORT THOSE RESIDENCES. AND I DID, I DID MAKE THE COMMENT ABOUT, UM, ALCOHOL AND FOOD CELLS AND ALL THAT HIGH GOES HAND IN HAND. AND THEN ANOTHER RESIDENT STOOD UP. LEMME GO BACK TO THE OTHER RESIDENTS. HE SAID, HEY, YOU HAVE A BOARD OF 10 TO 15 PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THEY TALK TO A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING DECISIONS FOR 5,000 PEOPLE. WHERE'S EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S REPRESENTED? MY RESPONSE WAS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT SOCCER PRACTICE, BASEBALL PRACTICE, THEY, THE YOUNGER FOLKS, THEY DON'T COME TO ALL THESE MEETINGS. TYPICALLY RETIRED FOLKS WHO HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME ON THEIR HANDS. I ALSO MADE A COMMENT THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AS STRONG AS THEY ARE, I GET CALLS ABOUT THEM BEING A NUISANCE TO THE RESIDENTS AND WHY THEY DON'T SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS. I LITERALLY WENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW AND WENT TO A GUY'S HOUSE WHERE THEY TOLD ME SOMEBODY WAS LIVING IN HIS BACKYARD IN THE SHED. THAT GUY OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAS BECOME A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE. I'VE EATEN AT HIS HOUSE WITH HIS FAMILY, WITH HIS WIFE, AND NOBODY'S LIVING IN HIS SHED YET. I STOOD IN HIS DRIVEWAY WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ABATE THAT VIOLATION THAT DIDN'T EXIST. SO AS GREAT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CAN BE, IT CAN ALSO BE A HINDRANCE FROM GROWTH AND PRODUCTIVITY IN THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT RYAN WAS WILLING TO, UH, WORK WITH US WITH AND STILL PULLING THE DATA WITH, UH, WITH GIS IS THAT AMERICANA, SHENANDOAH, ALL THESE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL AT THE GATES OF THE RESTAURANT BECAUSE IT FEEDS THE NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? THEY SAID, WELL, HEY, WE DON'T WANT MR. KUBOTA, WE WANT, WE WANNA WALK ONS IN THE S WE WANT AROUSES. I SAID, YOUR COMMUNITY IS NO LONGER INVESTIBLE. WE HAVE TO BRING THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THAT CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT THAT MAKES THE, THE MARKETPLACE THAT CREATES INVESTABILITY SO THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BRING THE BIG BOX STORES THERE. RALPH'S IS IN, IS NOT COMING. I DID A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THAT SAME GROCERY STORE SPOT. THEY'RE NOT COMING TO A STORE THAT IS CLOSED DOWN. TWO TIMES THEY, THEY CLOSED THE DOORS. UM, COUNCILMAN, YOU WANT EXTRA TIME? YEAH, I WILL TAKE MY EXTRA TIME. THE MEETING WAS VERY PACKED. IT WAS ABOUT 50 50. UH, IN TERMS OF COMMENTS ON THERE, PEOPLE CAME TO ME AFTERWARDS AND SAID, HEY MAN, I DIDN'T SPEAK TODAY, BUT I'M KIND OF TORN IN THE MIDDLE. I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES. SOME PEOPLE SAID, HEY, I'M WITH THE ASSOCIATION. BUT IT WAS TYPICALLY NO DISRESPECT THE SENIOR POPULATION THAT IS RETIRED, THAT HAS A LOT OF TIME TO BE GATEKEEPERS FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO I DEAL WITH ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, THEY WANT THE ABILITY FOR THEIR FAMILY TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GET A MEAL, GO TO A RESTAURANT AFTER THE SAME BASEBALL PRACTICE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. THERE'S NO SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS. AND THIS RESTAURANT, BY THE WAY, DOES NOT HAVE A BAR. THERE IS NO BAR WHERE YOU CAN SIT DOWN AND ORDER A DRINK. ZERO. IT'S NOT A BAR. IT'S A, IT HAS A HOT PLATE, WHICH IS WHY HE WANTED TO OPEN UP TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF Y'ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND BE A PART OF IT AND SEE WHAT IT IS. IT'S, IT IS NOT A BAR, IT'S A RESTAURANT. IT'S CAB ONE. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? A B, THE A BC BOARD STOOD THERE AND TOLD THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT, 'CAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND AN AFTER HOURS CLUB. AND MY RESPONSE WAS, THERE'S NO RULES FOR AN AFTER HOUR CLUB. EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS WORKED IN SOME FORM OR FASHION TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER RULES TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONTROL THE MECHANISMS OF AN AFTER OUR CLUB. WE CAN'T, BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL SHELL THAT PLAYS MUSIC. THERE'S NO REGULATIONS FOR THAT. THERE'S NONE. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LIQUOR LICENSES, THERE'S NO FOOD LICENSE, THERE'S NOTHING. THERE'S NOTHING BUT A SHELL OF A BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE COME HAVE A PARTY AFTER THE CLUB'S CLOSED. SO THERE'S NO WAY AT THIS CURRENT TIME TO POLICE WHAT HAPPENS AT AN AFTER ALL CLUB. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THEY HAVE P-P-T-S-D BECAUSE IT WAS A NUISANCE. AND MY ME, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES, GOT TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHUT IT DOWN. AND WE DID IT ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTS. I'LL SAY, Y'ALL DID AS WELL, Y'ALL FIGHT. BUT THIS IS NOT AN AFTER OUR CLUB. THIS IS A RESTAURANT THAT'S GONNA OPEN AT 6:00 AM TO SERVE BREAKFAST CLOSE AT NIGHTTIME AT 10:00 AM AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE 11 ON THE WEEKEND. IT'S LIKE MOST RESTAURANTS DO FRIDAY, SATURDAY, HAVE LATER HOURS. IT'S NOT A CLUB. [00:25:01] IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY CHAIRS ARE IN THE BUILDING. UM, JUSTIN, CAN YOU PULL UP THAT, THAT ON THE SCREEN FOR ME REAL QUICK? THEY KEEP WONDERING WHY DON'T TEAR DOWN THIS BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET. I WANNA SHOW THIS IS WHAT THE INSIDE OF IT LOOKS LIKE. THAT'S WHY FLOODED TWICE, $300,000 FLOODED. AGAIN, FOUR $50,000. MOST BUSINESS OWNERS DO NOT, UM, PUT THE EXTERIOR SHELL UP OF A BUILDING UNTIL THE INTERIOR IS DONE. THIS IS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INVESTED INTO WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE A RAGGED BUILDING BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE EXTERIOR. HE HASN'T GOTTEN THERE YET. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IT LOOKS LIKE A CHIMES OR A WALK ON BEFORE THEY STAY THE COUNTERS AND, UH, MAKE IT A GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO EAT AND AND ENJOY THEIR FAMILIES. SO HE'S MAKING THE INVESTMENT AND THE OTHER ONE ACROSS THE STREET LOOKS BETTER THAN THIS, EXCEPT THE SHELL IS ALREADY DONE. WHEN I ASKED HIM WHY DID HE FINISH THIS ONE FIRST WITH ALL THE INVESTMENT THAT WAS PUT INTO IT, HIS RESPONSE WAS THE EASIER. THE OTHER ONE ACROSS THE STREET, THE OLD TACO BELL WAS EASIER AND READY TO GO. AND FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON, HE CHOSE TO GO WITH THAT ONE FIRST AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. HE'S DOING IT BASED ON CASH. DOESN'T WANNA GO IN DEBT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO OVER THE YEARS, HE'S INVESTED HIS DOLLARS IN THERE. I WANTED YOU TO SEE THE INSIDE OF THIS BUILDING AND WHY I'M NOT TOWING IT DOWN. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A CONDEMNABLE BUILDING. IT IS GONNA BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. AND HE'S BOUGHT SEVERAL PROPERTIES OVER THERE. SO IF WE DON'T ALLOW HIM TO BUILD WHERE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BUILD AND INVEST, THEN YOUR PROPERTY VALUES WILL GO DOWN. AND WHEN THEY GO DOWN, IT'LL BECOME A RENTER BASED COMMUNITY. AND WHEN IT'S MAJORITY RENTERS IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHERE YOU START SEEING CRIME. COME LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED ALL OVER NORTH BATON ROUGE. AND SO I'M INVESTED IN HIM IN TERMS OF MY COMMUNICATION AND WHAT I WANT BECAUSE HE'S INVESTED IN THE SIDE OF TOWN THAT NOBODY WANTS TO INVEST IN. AND AGAIN, THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE SAMMY'S OKAY WITH THE WALK-ONS, OKAY. WITH SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES, WHICH WOULD'VE SERVED THE SAME FOOD AND THE SAME ALCOHOL. BUT BECAUSE THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER THAT THEY'RE UNFAMILIAR WITH, THEY WANT TO SHUT HIM DOWN. AND THE ONE THING RYAN SAID IS, BY THE LAW, WE CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH BUSINESSES WE WANT TO APPROVE. WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYBODY. AND I WILL BE, AND I WANT HIM TO DO THIS BUSINESS, AND I WANT HIM TO BE SUCCESSFUL SO THAT WE DO GET THE WALK-ONS TO SAMMY'S AND OTHER RESTAURANTS. SO WE DESIRE THAT. DON'T WANT TO COME TO NORTH BATON ROUGE AND I'M DEFER, I'M REQUESTING A DEFERRAL. IF YOU READ MAYOR BOOM'S EMAIL THIS MORNING, UM, IT WAS ABOUT WE WANNA KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE BUSINESS BEFORE WE APPROVE IT. NOT THAT WE HATE THE BUSINESS, BUT WE WANNA KNOW THE DETAILS. AND I'VE ASKED HIM TO PROVIDE THE DETAILS. SO HE'S GONNA PROVIDE THE DETAILS, CONTINUE TO DO TOURS WITH THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW HE'S INVESTED. THE OTHER ONE LOOKS WAY BETTER THAN THIS. IT'S ALMOST DONE. AND I, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING I GOT, I'LL OPEN UP A TOUR FOR Y'ALL AS WELL TO SEE WHAT I SAW AND WHY I WAS SO IMPRESSED. AND SO I'M ASKING FOR THE DEFERRAL TO GIVE HIM TIME FOR HIS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT OUT OF HIS RETIREMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT A PART OF TOWN THAT WAS DISINVESTED BECOMES INVESTED. SO, MOTION TO DEFER. THANK YOU. MOTION TO DEFER UNTIL NOVEMBER 18TH. NOVEMBER 18TH. OKAY. COUNCILMAN DUN, JR. THANK YOU, RYAN, PLEASE, I WANNA MAKE A POINT OF, UH, INFORMATION, POINT OF A CLARIFICATION THAT CONTINUES TO BE A NARRATIVE ABOUT THE PROCESS. RYAN AND I WANT YOU TO KINDA SPEAK TO THE PROCESS OF NOTIFICATION, UH, WITH THIS AREA, WITH THIS ITEM, UH, AND ALSO THIS AREA AND THIS ITEM GOING BACK SIX YEARS, SOMEBODY ALLUDED TO THE, UH, DISTANCE OF NOTIFICATION WAS CHANGED. IS THAT TRUE? THAT'S INCORRECT. ALRIGHT. SOMEBODY ALSO, UH, SAID THAT THEY WASN'T NOTIFIED ABOUT ZONINGS IN THE PAST. IS THAT TRUE? I CAN'T SPEAK IN GENERAL TERMS. UH, OUR PROCESSES REMAIN THE SAME. WE HAVE A VERY DILIGENT NOTIFICATION PROCESS. WE POST OUR PRELIMINARY AGENDAS. I'VE EXPLAINED THIS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS, UH, PARTICULAR PERSON, UM, MS. DOFF SPOKEN TO HER MULTIPLE TIMES ON THIS. WE NOTIFY, UH, KNOWN CONTACTS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS. UH, WE REVISE THOSE CONTACTS WITH REGULAR OUTREACH. WE, UH, NOTIFY EVERYONE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. WE RUN MULTIPLE ADS AND, UM, POST SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. SO ALL THAT HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED, UH, SINCE THAT PREVIOUS ZONING OR BEFORE THAT. SO WHETHER IT IS THIS ITEM, A PREVIOUS ITEM THAT WAS REFERENCED, THE, UH, STORAGE FACILITY OR ANY ITEM IN ANY OTHER DISTRICT, UH, DOES THE COMMUNITY WITHIN THREE, FOUR OR 500 FEET ALSO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, ARE THEY MADE AWARE OF ZONING CHANGES OR REQUEST TO CHANGE THAT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT NOTIFICATION PROCESS IS INTACT. AND, AND WE DID THE NOTIFICATION FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT THEY REFERENCED AS WELL AS THIS. DO THEY HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND TO SPEAK IN [00:30:01] OPPOSITION? ABSOLUTELY. DO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? THAT'S CORRECT. DID ANY OF THAT HAPPEN IN THAT PREVIOUS ITEM THAT WAS REFERENCED? UH, THERE, I I BELIEVE THAT WAS YEARS AGO. I, I CAN'T SPEAK IN DETAIL IF PARTICULAR PEOPLE SHOWED UP OR NOT, BUT I BELIEVE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THERE WASN'T MUCH OPPOSITION, IF ANY. I DON'T RECALL AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE PERSON WITH THE ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REFERENCED, NOT ONLY THIS MEETING, BUT PREVIOUS MEETINGS I'VE STATED AND CLEARED THIS UP. MY POSITION HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UH, PARK FORESTS. AND I THINK SOME OF YOU GUYS KNOW THIS. I KNOW EVERYBODY DON'T. YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SAYING THAT THE, THE, THE LIE GET AROUND THE WORLD BEFORE THE TRUTH GET OUT OF BED. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WANT TO CLEAR IT UP. CLEAR IT UP. FOR THOSE OF YOU ALL WHO MAY NOT KNOW. UH, MY POSITION HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY WANT, WHATEVER THE RESIDENTS WANT, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE STORAGE FACILITY. WHEN IT WAS IN DISTRICT SIX, I HEARD FROM NOBODY. NO ONE CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. NO ONE CAME TO THE COUNCIL. NO ONE REACHED OUT TO MY OFFICE UNTIL SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT ITEM WAS PASSED. SO WHEN WE DON'T GET OPPOSITION, WE MOVE FORWARD. IF WE GET OPPOSITION, WE'LL SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THE, THE, UH, ENTITY IS IN. SO, AGAIN, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. UH, IT IS BEEN REFERENCED TWICE. UH, AS I STATED TO MANY OF YOU GUYS AT PARK FOREST, YOU HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME DIRECTLY. YOU HAVE COME TO PLANNING, YOU HAVE COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING. I KNOW YOUR WISHES, AND I PLAN TO SUPPORT YOUR WISHES. BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM. AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IF THE FALSE NARRATIVE, UH, STOPPED BEING TOLD COUNCILOR HEARST. SO HE SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT. LIKE, SO I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW, I BROUGHT THIS ITEM TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER I, 'CAUSE I, I HELD MR. KUBOTA TO VERY HIGH STANDARDS. AND WHEN HE, I SAID, LOOK, MAN, BEFORE I DO ANYTHING, YOU GOTTA SHOW ME WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO WHEN HE BROUGHT ME INTO THE BUSINESS, I THEN GAVE HIM THE ASSOCIATION'S INFORMATION TO REACH OUT TO THEM SO HE COULD SHE SHARE HIS BUSINESS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WASN'T IN THE BLIND. I WAS AN ADVOCATE THAT HE ENGAGED THE COMMUNITY AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. HE DIDN'T WANNA BRING ANYBODY INTO A WAR ZONE OR CONSTRUCTION. SO THEY CAN'T SEE YOUR VISION. EVERYBODY DIDN'T HAVE YOUR, YOUR VISION. SO ONCE IT WAS NEAR COMPLETION, I SAID, MAN, MAKE SURE YOU REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. HERE'S, HERE'S THE PRESIDENT'S PHONE NUMBER FOR THE ASSOCIATION. HERE'S THE PRESIDENT'S PHONE NUMBER FOR THE CRIME PREVENTION DISTRICT. EVEN YESTERDAY, I REACHED OUT TO THE ASSOCIATION AND SAY, HEY, I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME. I WANNA REQUEST A DEFERRAL. I BELIEVE WITH THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT THAT HE'S PUT INTO THIS BUILDING, UM, EVEN IF THE VOTE IS NO IN, IN NOVEMBER, HE DESERVES ANOTHER 30 DAYS FOR MULTI-MILLIONS DOLLARS WORTH OF INVESTMENT. SO THEY GOT IT YESTERDAY. THEY DIDN'T GET IT TODAY. HE SAID, LOOK, I HAVEN'T HAD THE AMOUNT OF MEETINGS. I, I WANNA RESPECT EVERYBODY. AND FOR THAT REASON, HOW DO I MOVE FORWARD? I SAID, WE WILL, WE WILL JUST REQUEST A DEFERRAL. DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, PUT ON ANOTHER 30 DAYS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. BUT I WAS THE ONE THAT REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY DIDN'T REACH OUT TO ME. SO I, I HAVE BEEN INVESTED AND PROTECTED THE BEST INTEREST. BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THERE ARE WAY MORE PEOPLE. COUNCILMAN DUN JR. YOU WANT EACH TIME? NO, THAN THAN THE ONES THAT SIT IN THIS ROOM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER TO NOVEMBER 18TH. IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECOND BY THE CHAIR. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? OPPOSITION. OPPOSITION? WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE MACHINES. CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT YOUR VOTE IS? COUNCIL MEMBERS MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE MOTION TO DEFER TO NOVEMBER 18TH. NOPE. OKAY. HOLD ON. LET ME, , WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. SURE. COUNCIL HUDSON, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT BEFORE WE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. THERE WAS A COUPLE, COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE SAID THAT I, I JUST WANNA BE SURE I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE DEFERRAL. 'CAUSE I WANNA GIVE MY COLLEAGUE MORE TIME TO TALK WITH HIS CONSTITUENTS AND, AND I RESPECT THAT. UM, I, I I JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP THAT, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM IF IT'S JUST THE SENIOR COMMUNITY THAT COMES OUT AND SPEAKS ON AN ITEM. LOOK, IF THE SENIOR COMMUNITY IS THE ONE THAT IS ENGAGED AND PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS, I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC. SO I, I, THAT DOESN'T, [00:35:01] THAT DOESN'T WEIGH ON ME. UM, I I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, A CIVIC ASSOCIATION OR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OUT THERE ADVOCATING FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS, UH, IS A NUISANCE. I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE. UM, I ALSO SAY IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT OF CLARIFICATION. C ONE IS NOT A DOWNGRADE, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, IT WOULD IN, IN FACT, BE AN INCREASE OF USE FOR THE PROPERTY. UH, IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE JUST BASED ON LOOKING AT THE AREA. UM, BUT THE, THE INFORMATION HAS TO BE PUT OUT THERE CORRECTLY. SO, I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO YOUR ROLL CALL, VOTE VOTE. UH, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS A MOTION TO DEFER TO THE NOVEMBER 18TH METROPOLITAN COUNCIL ZONING MEETING. VOTE YES OR NO. COUNCILMAN NOEL. YES. COUNCILMAN KENNY? YES. COUNCILMAN MOOCH? YES. COUNCILMAN HURST? YES. COUNCILMAN DUNN JR. NO. COUNCILMAN HARRIS. COUNCILMAN AMOROSO? YES. COUNCILMAN HUDSON? YES. COUNCILWOMAN ADAMS? YES. COUNCILMAN ROA? YES. MOTION CARRIES. I DON'T THINK YOU CALLED MY NAME. OH, I'M SORRY. COUNCILMAN COLEMAN. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I SAY, NO, NO, NO APOLOGIES. MOTION THAT THE ITEM HAS DEFERRED AND, AND MAYOR APPROACH. I MUST SAY THIS. YES, MA'AM. UH, WE MUST BE MINDFUL OF WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHO'S REPRESENTING WHO. ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS DON'T COME TO COUNCIL MEETING. WE REPRESENT THEM. AND THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT HAS HAPPENED HERE TONIGHT. SO LET US NOT GET IT TWISTED. YOU SUPPOSED TO HAVE A GROUP THAT COMES AND REPRESENT, AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. ITEM TWO [2. 26-00891 MCUP-1-26 7740 and 9400-9500 Pettit Road (Part 1 of 2)] MCUP DASH ONE DASH 26 7 74 0 AND 9,400 TO 9,500 PETIT ROAD, PROPOSED SAND AND GRAVEL MINING OPERATION LOCATED AT THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE OF PETIT ROAD, NORTH OF COLME DRIVE COUNCIL, DISTRICT TWO, KENNY COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED SIX TO ZERO DEFERRED ON THE AUGUST 19TH, 2026 MEETING. WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, AND PROPONENT FIRST. THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM OPPOSITION, AND THEN THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DONOVAN DUGAS. UH, WE'RE PUTTING IN FOR A PERMIT FOR THIS DIRT PIT. SO IT'S KIND OF MISLEADING, CALLING IT SAND AND GRAVEL MINING OPERATION. BUT THAT'S THE PERMIT THAT THAT'S REQUIRED. IT'S NOT GONNA BE SANDING SAND OR MINING, ANY OF THAT. UH, WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2013 DIGGING, YOU KNOW, UH, DURING 2016. THIS HAS BEEN A DIRT PIT FOR SINCE THE NINETIES. AND WE TOOK IT OVER IN 2013. JUST CONTINUED DIGGING. OKAY, WE HAVE EVERYTHING, A STORM WATER, UH, OUTFALL LOCATION. WE HAVE SEDIMENT PONDS BEFORE WE PUMP. WE HAVE DEQ PERMITS. UH, WE'VE AGREED TO A HUNDRED FOOT ASPHALT APRON. 'CAUSE WE HAVE HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT DUST. UH, THIS IS NEVER GONNA BE A SUBDIVISION. UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, BRADFORD ENGINEERING. WE HAD A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH INCLUDED A DRAINAGE IMPACT STUDY AND WATER QUALITY ANALYSIS, WHICH ARE PASSED. UH, WE'VE AGREED THE PERMIT REQUIRES 1500 FOOT FEET FROM AN EXISTING DWELLING OR STRUCTURE. WE'VE GOT THE MAPS FOR THAT. ALSO. UH, IT'S BEEN VERY MISLEADING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TRUCKS. WE MAY ON A GOOD YEAR, SEVEN MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS OUT THE YEAR DUE TO RAIN. IF WE HAVE A RAIN EVENT, THAT'S THREE DAYS THAT WE HAVE TO DRIVE. SO THERE ARE TRUCKS IN AND OUT. WE DON'T WORK ON SUNDAYS. WE DON'T WORK SIX, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, NONE OF THAT. BUT WE HAVE MAYBE ONE BIG JOB A YEAR. WE HIRE SOME TRUCKS. OTHER THAN THAT, WE OWN FOUR TRUCKS. WE DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH THAT. UH, LIKE I SAID, THE SAND AND GRAVEL MINING [00:40:01] TOTALLY BLOWS EVERYTHING OUT THE WATER, UH, OUR OPPONENTS, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THERE'S GONNA BE THIS, THERE'S GONNA BE ALL THESE HUNDREDS OF TRUCKS. THERE'S GONNA BE THAT. WE'VE NEVER LOADED MORE THAN 2000 YARDS IN A DAY. 2000 YARDS IS A HUNDRED TRUCKS. WE DID A JOB AT THE AIRPORT AND WE HAD FIVE TRUCKS. MAKE NINE LOADS EACH. THAT'S 2000 YARDS. THAT'S THE MOST WE'VE EVER MOVED IN A DAY. YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST WANT TO, WE'RE NOT A NEW COMPANY. WE'RE NOT SELLING. WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE PROPER PERMITS. UH, WE'VE ADDRESSED PROBLEMS. WE'VE GOT CALLED FOR DUST. WELL, WE BOUGHT A WATER TRUCK. KEEP THE DUST TO A MINIMUM. WE'VE GOT CALLED ABOUT MUD ON THE ROAD. WE BOUGHT A STREET SWEEPER, WE SWEEPED THE ROAD. AND NOW THE A HUNDRED FOOT ASPHALT APRON IF APPROVED. WE'RE GONNA DO THAT WITH THE GATE INCLUDED. UH, YOU HAVE FIVE SECONDS. WELL, THAT'S CLOSE IT UP. THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT I'M DOING WITH, WITH THE PROPER PERMANENCE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THIS PROJECT? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS HEATH MORRIS. I'M ALSO ONE OF THE PARTNERS FOR DI CO. I, AS MY PARTNER SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO CONTINUE OPERATING IN THE SAME MANNER THAT WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING IN THE PAST. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EASY TO ROW, UM, EMOTION FROM PEOPLE BY SPEAKING INACCURACIES OR EXAGGERATIONS. AND FACEBOOK NOWADAYS IS SOMETIMES GOSPEL. SO WITH FACEBOOK, WE HAVE, WE'VE SEEN THINGS BEING SAID. THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 30, 40 TRUCKS AN HOUR COMING OUT OF THIS FACILITY. WELL, JUST TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO NEED SIX EXCAVATORS ON SITE. THERE'S ONE, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS. THESE ARE ACTUAL SALES NUMBERS. UH, FROM 2005, 2025 2025, WE MOVE 56,000 TOTAL YARDS. THAT'S 2,800 TOTAL TRUCKS ANNUALLY. THAT'S 62 TOTAL WORKING DAYS. THAT'S 45 TRUCKS PER DAY AVERAGE. THAT'S 4.5 TRUCKS PER HOUR. THAT'S AN ACTUAL NUMBER. 2024. WE MOVED 18,368 CUBIC YARDS. 918 TOTAL TRUCKS ANNUALLY, 37 WORKING DAYS. 25 TRUCKS PER DAY. 2.5 TRUCKS PER HOUR. THIS IS NOT A HIGH VOLUME FACILITY BECAUSE THIS FACILITY, IT IS, IT COMPLIMENTS OUR OTHER BUSINESSES. IT'S WHAT WE DO. OUR OTHER BUSINESSES ARE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES. AND SO THIS BUSINESS COMPLIMENTS IT. WHEN THE JOB IS IN THE AREA, WHEN IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, THE TRANSPORTATION IN THE LOGISTICS, THROW IT WAY OUTTA WHACK AND, AND DRIVE THE COST UP. SO WE CAN'T USE THIS FACILITY. THESE ARE REAL NUMBERS, THESE ARE REAL NUMBERS. SO WHAT PEOPLE SEE ON FACEBOOK AND WHAT'S SAID IS SOMETIME GOSPEL AND IT CAN VERY EASILY BE MISCONSTRUED AND MISUNDERSTOOD. BUT THAT'S FACTS. SO THAT'S IT. I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, WE WOULD GET YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS. UH, WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, DEFERRED SEVERAL TIMES, SO I'M SURE YOU'RE READY TO NOT SEE US ANYMORE. SO, THANK Y'ALL. ANYONE ELSE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM. OKAY, NOW WE'RE HERE FROM OPPOSITION. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS ITEM? I'M GONNA GIVE Y'ALL SOME GOSPEL. FIRST OF ALL, THE DIRT PIN OWNER HIMSELF. MA'AM, MA'AM, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? ANGELA CRELL. I'M SORRY. MY NAME NAME IS ANGELA CRELL. UM, FIRST THING IN HIS OWN REPORT TO DEQ, WHEN HE WAS CITED IN 2015 FOR DUST AND NOT HAVING THE CORRECT PERMITS, HE CITED 20 TO 40 LOADS AN HOUR. THAT WAS HIS OWN WORDS TO DEQ IN 2021. HE WAS CITED FOR WORKING WITHOUT PERMITS ON THIS PROPERTY. HE STOOD UP BEFORE THIS SAME METRO COUNCIL AND TOLD YOU GUYS AT THE LAST MEETING THAT HE WAS UNAWARE HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PERMITS. HE THOUGHT HE HAD 'EM SINCE THE FLOOD CAME UP. WE CAN CALL RYAN HOLCOMB UP HERE BECAUSE I ASKED RYAN HOLCOMB TO EXPLAIN TO US IF ANYTHING CHANGED AFTER THE FLOOD ON PERMITS THAT HE WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE. RYAN SAID NO. IT WAS A MAJOR OVERLAY AT ONCE, BUT IT WAS STILL A MAJOR PERMIT. HE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE PERMITS. THIS MAN HAS NEVER HELD THESE PERMITS. GRAVES LAND HAS LEASED OUT HIS PROPERTY TO DISTANT DIFFERENT EXCAVATORS OVER THE YEARS SINCE 2007. THEY COME IN [00:45:01] THIS PROPERTY, THEY DIG, THEY HAUL AND THEY SELL THE DIRT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL A SOUNDING GRAVEL IN MINING PIT. IF YOU WERE ALLOWED TO COME HERE, DIG ALL DAY LONG IN THE PRETENSE OF IT'S GONNA BE A SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS ON THEIR APPLICATION, IT'S GONNA BE A SUBDIVISION. PLEASE, LET'S TAKE A FIELD TRIP AND TELL ME WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT A SUBDIVISION AT. BECAUSE THEY'VE DUG OVER A HUNDRED ACRES. THEY HAVE 177. THIS COUNCIL, WE HAVE 3M CUPS IN ALL OF EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH. ONE IS ON GREENVILLE SPRINGS ROAD IS 199 ACRES. IT HAS NO RESIDENTIAL ANYWHERE NEAR IT. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON SCENIC HIGHWAY. IT HAS 26 ACRES. IT HAS A SUBDIVISION BY IT. THAT SUBDIVISION WAS DONE AFTER THE DIRT PIT WAS THERE. THERE'S ONE ON GRIMBLE SPRINGS ROAD AGAIN AT 28 ACRES. THAT SUBDIVISION, THEY HAVE NO SUBDIVISIONS ANYWHERE NEAR THIS. WE WERE NOT ASKED IF WE WANTED A DIRT PIT. WE WERE GIVEN ONE FOR YEARS AND IT WAS NOT STOPPED. IT WAS DUG YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. NOW WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL, DON'T APPROVE IT. WE DON'T WANT IT. I HAVE SIGNATURES HERE. I'M GONNA HANDLE TO MR. OUR COUNCILMAN KENNY, WE'VE PUT UP WITH THIS FOR YEARS. THEY'VE NEVER HELD A PERMIT TO DO THIS. NOW THEY WANT A PERMIT TO DO IT. THEY KNEW THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PERMIT. YOU CAN'T BE CITED IN 2021 FOR NOT HAVING A PERMIT AND COME UP HERE AND SAY, WE DIDN'T KNOW. WE THOUGHT WE WERE UNDER ALL THE RIGHT PERMITS WHEN WE LEASE THIS LAND. YOU DON'T GO IN AND LEASE LAND FOR, TO BRING ALL OF YOUR EQUIPMENT. AND ONE THING, HE MIGHT ONLY HAVE ONE TRUCK, DIRT TRUCK. DOESN'T MEAN HE DOESN'T HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE MORE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU. I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE. NO, WE DON'T WANT THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK AN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS WILL CAMPBELL. UH, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THIS AREA FOR 23 YEARS AND I WITNESS EVERYTHING THAT MS. KRILL SAYS AND I CONCUR WITH WHAT SHE SAID. WE WANT YOU TO NOT APPROVE THIS ITEM. . ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ANYONE ELSE? I GIVE THE APPLICANT UH, THREE MINUTES TO REBUT IF YOU WISH. YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANYTHING YOU HEARD? SURE. SO WHEN, UH, WE TOOK OVER THE PIT, IT STARTED, UM, WE PURCHASED A PREVIOUS COMPANY, UM, AND WE PURCHASED THEIR, THEIR PERMITS. UH, WE SAT DOWN WITH DPW. IT WAS, I AM NOT A ATTORNEY, NOR AM I A PROFESSIONAL IN THAT SPACE. IT WAS, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING AND THAT WAS MY IGNORANCE, OUR IGNORANCE THAT WE DID. AND WE PURCHASED THE CORRECT PERMITS THAT, THAT WERE TO BE HAD. NOW, THE PERMITS THAT SHE'S STATING REGARDING THE, UM, SLAP ON THE WRIST REGARDING DUST, AND THAT CAME FROM DEPARTMENT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY THAT DID NOT COME FROM EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH. SO, AND AS MY PARTNER SAID, WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE SITED FOR A PROBLEM, WE CORRECTED IT. WE PURCHASED WATER TRUCKS, WE PURCHASED EQUIPMENT TO ADDRESS THAT. WELL, WHEN YOU PURCHASE WATER TRUCKS AND YOU TRY TO GET DUST DOWN, SOMETIMES DUST TURNS, TURNS TO MUD, MUD CODES TO THE ROAD. SO THEN WE SWEEP IT OFF. WE PURCHASE A SWEEPER AS WELL. I SIT ON THE RECORD AND SAY, WE'RE NOT BATTING A THOUSAND. WE'RE NOT, BUT WE'RE PROACTIVE AND WE TRY TO AVOID ANY PROBLEMS BECAUSE OUR LIABILITY AND OUR LIVELIHOOD MEAN EVERYTHING TO US AS IN ANY BUSINESS. SO WE TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN. UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE DEQ UH, CITATIONS, UH, YES. WE DID HAVE A DEQ PERMIT THAT WENT OUTSIDE AND IT EXPIRED AND WE RENEWED IT AND DID IT. WE ALSO HAD DEQ COME OUT TO THE SITE. THIS WAS RECENTLY DURING THIS RENEWAL. THEY CAME, THEY INSPECTED, AND I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN ANY DEQ OFFICER'S MOUTH, BUT THE GUY TOLD US, HE SAID, THIS IS ONE OF THE CLEANEST AND BEST RUN OPERATIONS WE HAVE SEEN. HE SAID, AS FAR AS A WATER MANAGEMENT POSITION, HE SAID, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY SEDIMENT RUNNING OFF BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE DO OUR PUMPING. SO THAT'S THE TRUTH. UM, AS I SAID, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. WE, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE COMPANY AND ASSUMED IT, WE ASSUMED UNDER THAT PURCHASE THAT THE PROPER PERMITS WERE THERE AND THAT WAS OUR IGNORANCE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO FIX IT NOW. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR MCKINNEY. [00:50:01] ALRIGHT, RYAN, COME UP FOR A SECOND IF YOU CAN FOR ME, CAN YOU GIVE ME A TIMELINE? I KNOW, UM, MR. DUGAS AND HIS TEAM BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT THE TIMELINE FROM WHEN THEY PURCHASED THIS DIRT PIT FROM THEIR PREVIOUS OWNER OR YOU OR RACHEL, WHOEVER, THE COMBINATION OF, SPEAK TO ME ABOUT THE TIMELINE. RIGHT. AND WHAT WAS THE NUANCE OR DISCREPANCY FROM UM, THEM ABLE TO OPERATE TO THEM TRYING TO GET A NEW, I GUESS A NEW PERMIT PER SE? CORRECT ME IF MY TERMINOLOGY TO WHERE WE LED TO US WE ARE TODAY. SO FOR MY RESEARCH, IT APPEARS THAT THEY HAD A DEQ PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION ON A SITE. MM-HMM . OVER FIVE ACRES. UM, IN SOMETIME AROUND 20 14, 20 15. THEY HAVE NEVER HELD A PERMIT WITH MY OFFICE FOR ANYTHING. WE, UM, WERE MADE AWARE OF THEIR ACTIVITIES IN 2021 AND I SENT A LETTER, A VIOLATION LETTER AND STOP WORK ORDER. UM, AND TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTIVITY CEASED AT THAT TIME. UM, WE WERE THEN AGAIN NOTIFIED IN 2025 THAT THEY WERE OPERATING AGAIN. AND WE AGAIN SENT A VIOLATION LETTER AND A STOP WORK ORDER AND UM, YOU KNOW, THAT CULMINATED IN THEM BEING HERE TODAY IN ORDER TO SEEK TO BECOME COMPLIANT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS APPROVED TODAY, THEY WILL THEN HAVE TO SEEK A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT FROM MY OFFICE. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. SO OF COURSE I WASN'T ON COUNCIL IN 2021, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS THE DECISION OF THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL PERSON IN ON THIS MATTER. UM, BUT WAS THIS AN ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED TO THE, TO THE PARISH AT ANY TIME? I GUESS OVER THERE, THESE CURRENT OWNERS OF THAT, THAT PERMIT EXPIRED OR THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WHETHER, ANY CONCERN THERE, THERE NEVER A PERMIT FROM MY OFFICE. OKAY. NEVER. OKAY. SO THERE WAS NO EXPIRATION. THERE WAS NO AUTHORIZATION, UH, OF ANY KIND. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE SENT THE VIOLATION LETTER, UM, AND STOP WORK ORDER TO INFORM THEM OF THAT, THAT THEY NEEDED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND THAT WOULD'VE INCLUDED, UM, COMING HERE TO GET THIS DESIGNATION. I BELIEVE THERE WAS, UM, A NEARBY PROPERTY THAT CAME TO THIS BODY, UM, IN AROUND THAT TIMEFRAME SEEKING TO REZONE FROM, UH, RESIDENTIAL TO RURAL BECAUSE UH, UM, AN M CUP FOR SAND GRAVEL MINING CANNOT, UM, BE HAD ON ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR PROPERTY THAT IS ZONE RURAL. AND THAT WAS DENIED. UM, AND, BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY THAT HAS NOW WHERE THE STILLWATER SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN APPROVED. UM, AND SO THAT'S NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY. UM, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS NEVER APPLIED FOR AN INCOME, THE RUN COULD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. GOTCHA. WAS THERE ANY CONCERNS, UM, LONG TERM ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE AREA? I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THE AREA RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT WHITES, BAYOU, AND THE EE RIVER. WAS THERE ANY CONCERNS, ANY REPORT, ANYTHING FROM YOUR WALL'S OFFICE AROUND THAT TIME PERIOD? UM, NOT FROM A FLOODING STANDPOINT. MM-HMM . UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, UM, THIS IS MUCH BETTER THAN BUILDING HOUSES OR BRINGING IN A BUNCH OF FILL IN THIS AREA. IT'S VERY DEEP IN THE FLOODPLAIN, VERY FAR BELOW BASE FLOOD. UM, BUT FROM A FLOODING STANDPOINT, NO IT DID NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS. WE DID HAVE CONCERNS FROM AN MS FOUR STANDPOINT, UM, AND DISCHARGE AND UM, YOU KNOW, SEDIMENT RELEASE AND WHATNOT. UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REVIEWED AT WHEN A PERMIT WAS APPLIED FOR IN WHICH IT WAS NEVER, WHICH NEVER HAPPENED. OKAY. GOTCHA. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU RACHEL. WELCOME. SO, UM, BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTS, I ALWAYS WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT SO TO, TO KO MR. DUGAS AND HIS TEAM. I DON'T WANT YOU ALL TO THINK, UH, MY COMMENTS IN ANYTHING. YOU ALL HAVE ANY ILLEGAL OPERATIONS OF BAD FAITH. RIGHT. UM, TRANSPARENCY. WE DID HAVE A MEETING EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS. UM, WHEN WE DID THE DEFERRAL, UM, PREVIOUS MEETING, I REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON, RIGHT? I AM NOT A DIRT MINING PERSON. MY PROFESSION'S NOT DIRT MINING. I WAS NOT AROUND IN 2021, OBVIOUSLY. AND SO FOR ME JUST PUTTING, GETTING PUT IN MY LAP, I HAD TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FULL UNDERSTANDING TO WHAT WAS GOING ON. UM, OBVIOUSLY FROM THERE I DID GET A LOT OF CONCERNS FOR RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA. UM, I THINK A LOT OF RESIDENT IN THIS AREA GOT A LOT OF PTSD FROM MY PREVIOUS SAGA, UH, WITH THE STEEL WATER SUBDIVISION. RIGHT? SO, UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM AND SAY THAT'S WHAT IT IS, BUT I CAN SAY FROM A GENERAL BROAD STANDPOINT THAT THAT, SO PROBABLY BROUGHT A LOT OF PTSD, RIGHT? BECAUSE I GUESS THE PREVIOUS OWNER, UM, OF THE ROCK PIT THAT'S FURTHER DOWN ON COLD MEAT DRIVE GAVE A LOT OF THE RESIDENT A LOT OF HEARTBURN OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS PRIOR TO ME ASSUMING OFFICE. UM, I'D LIKE TO EXTEND MY TIME. AMERIPRO TEMP. UM, I THINK FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I THINK TWO THINGS COULD BE TRUE IN THIS SITUATION. DO I THINK THOSE THE APPLICANT, UM, IN BAD FAITH IS TRYING TO NEGATIVE IMPACT THE AREA? NO. UM, DO I THINK THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA RAISE UP SOME VERY CRITICAL CONCERNS? YES, AND I THINK FOR ME, UM, I TOOK A LOT OF TIME WITH MY OFFICE REALLY SIT DOWN AND EXAMINE THIS SITUATION. UM, 'CAUSE FOR ME, YOU KNOW, [00:55:01] WHEN WE LOOK AT WHITE'S VALUE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FLOODING IMPACT IN THE AREA, AND I KNOW THE GENTLEMAN DID GIMME A FLOOD IMPACT STUDY EVERYTHING AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE A, A SIDE OF CONCERN FOR LONG-TERM IMPACTS. UM, WHAT WOULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN IN THIS AREA. AND SO, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I ERR ON A SIDE OF CAUTION WITH THE RESIDENTS. UM, MY VOTE TO DENY IS NOT A VOTE OF, OF MAIL, YOU KNOW, OF NON-CONFIDENCE THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING ILLEGAL OPERATIONS OR IN BAD FAITH. UM, BUT FOR ME AS A COUNCIL PERSON, I'LL BE REMISS IF MY RESIDENTS RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS DIRT PIT. AND SO, UM, I'M A VOTE TO DENY MAYOR PRO TEMP. AND, UM, I'LL CLOSE MY COMMENTS ON THERE. ALL RIGHT, SECOND, YOU SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. UM, MR. HOLCOMB, HOW, HOW LARGE IS THIS PROPERTY? WAS IT A HUNDRED AND 177 ACRES WITH THE CURRENT ZONING? HOW MANY HOUSES COULD FIT ON THAT ZONING? POTENTIALLY IT IS A LOW LYING AREA THAT THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES ON THE PROPERTY, BUT JUST BASED ON THE ZONING ALLOWS ZONING, UM, 177 LOTS TO BE BUILT. OKAY. 'CAUSE ONE ACRE MINIMUM 'CAUSE IT'S A RURAL ZONING. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, AND THEY COULD DO THAT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY? THEY'D HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING. THEY WOULD'VE TO GO TO PLANNING AT A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. ANYTHING OVER FIVE LOTS WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. AND I KNOW WE HAD SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS THERE, WHETHER IT'S UH, APARTMENTS OR, UH, HOW MANY APARTMENTS, HOW MANY UNITS VERSUS HOUSES, UM, CAN I HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE PARISH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? SO UNDERSTANDING THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS CASE AND, UH, PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP AND THIS OPERATION EXISTING AND, UM, THEM WORKING TOWARDS COMING INTO COMPLIANCE NOW WITH NEW OWNERSHIP. UM, DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE WOULD HAVE, UH, OR, OR COULD HAVE LEGAL EXPOSURE IF WE DENY THIS REQUEST? COUNCILMAN NOLL? UH, THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE CITY WOULD BE SUED IS, IS ALWAYS VERY REAL. I CAN'T SPECULATE AS TO, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT SUIT WHAT THE MERITS OF THAT SUIT MIGHT BE OR ANY OUTCOME, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY THE CITY CAN BE SUED WITH AN APPLICATION SUCH AS THIS. OKAY. DO YOU THINK THAT THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN AN OPERATION AND WAS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE AN OPERATION FOR SO MANY YEARS, UM, AND THEM HAVING MET WITH DPW PREVIOUSLY, WOULD, WOULD, IF YOU WERE DEFENDING IT, WOULD YOU PREFER THAT HAVE NOT BEEN THE CASE AND THEY WERE JUST APPLYING TO DO THIS AS A NEW OPERATION? IF I WERE DEFENDING IT, YES, BUT I REALLY, UH, IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR ME TO, TO SIT HERE AND SPECULATE. UM, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICALLY. SURE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS A, UM, I MEAN THIS IS DIFFICULT. I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE OPPOSITION NOT WANTING TO HAVE, UH, A DIRT PIT, UM, OR SAND AND GRAVEL, UH, IN, IN THIS CASE. BUT I, BUT I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIRT PIT. UM, IT'S BEEN AN OPERATION FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK THEY, UH, AS I CAN APPRECIATE IT, UH, THESE NEW OWNERS OPERATED IN GOOD FAITH AND THEY HAVE TAKEN MANY STEPS TOWARDS COMING INTO COMPLIANCE. AND, UM, I I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A, UM, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE TAKING STEPS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND THIS IS THE LAST STEP AND THEY'VE BEEN IN OPERATION, UH, I THINK THIS IS, UM, A POSITIVE STEP. THIS IS DEFINITELY HELPING WITH THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE AREA. UM, THEY'RE DOING IT IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY AND I, I'LL MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE COUNCILMAN HURST. AYE, THIS IS JUST A POINT, POINT OF CLARITY, BUT I'M GONNA MAKE IT GERMANE TO THIS TOPIC. I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT. I THINK ALWAYS BEING A VOICE AND BEING AN ADVOCATE IS, IS STRONG. AND I'LL MAKE THIS RELATIVE TO THE, THE LAST DISCUSSION BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I DIDN'T SAY THAT THEY WERE A NUISANCE. THE, SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBORS SAID THAT AS STRONG AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CAN BE, UM, THEY ALSO POSE SOME CHALLENGES FOR THE GROWTH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. AND I WANNA GET THAT CLEAR THAT THAT WASN'T ME. THAT THAT WAS FEEDBACK FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT I GET PROBABLY MONTHLY IN MY OFFICE AND NOT JUST THEM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL, BUT SPECIFICALLY [01:00:01] ABOUT THIS AND SOME ACTIVITIES. SO I AGREE THAT REPRESENTATION MATTERS. A SMALL CAN REPRESENT THE MAJORITY IN THIS CASE. UM, I THINK EVERYBODY WHO COMES OUT TO THESE MEETINGS FOR BEING CIVICALLY ENGAGED AND I WISH EVERYBODY ELSE ON BOTH SIDES WOULD AS WELL. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN DUNN, JR. THANK YOU MA'AM. COULD YOU COME TO THE MIC? YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO OFFER? YES, SIR. HE'S SAYING THESE NEW COMPANYS TRYING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. THAT IS NOT CORRECT. THIS IS THE SAME COMPANY THAT JUST TOLD YOU THEY'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2013. AND IF THE PARISH HAS A PROBLEM AND WANNA KNOW ABOUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUED, WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS THAT'S PUT UP WITH THIS FOR, WITH NO ONE TAKING ANY RESPONSIBILITY OR DOING ANYTHING? WHAT ABOUT THAT LAWSUIT? THEY HAVE BEEN THE SAME. UM, COUNCILMAN NOEL, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THESE ARE NEW AND JUST NOW COMING INTO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THEY COULD DO. JUST MAKE YOUR STATEMENT. DON'T ASK HIM A QUESTION. OKAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW HE BELIEVES THIS IS A NEW COMPANY AND THAT THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. WHEN THEY STOOD HERE AND TOLD YOU ALL THEY'VE BEEN WORKING AT THIS SITE SINCE 2013, IN 2021 WHEN THEY WERE CITED, THEN THEY WERE CITED AGAIN. SO IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE PRESCRIPTION PERIOD ON, IF THEY CAN BE GRANDFATHERED IN, EACH NEW ZONING VIOLATION IS A NEW CASE AT THAT TIME. SO IN 2025, THAT WAS A NEW ONE. THESE, THEY'VE BEEN THERE. THANK YOU. AND, AND HE DECIDES WHETHER HE WANTS TO RESPOND TO THAT OR NOT. SO, SO THAT'S, THIS IS MY TIME. YOU, YOU'RE DONE WITH YOUR STATEMENTS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN ADAMS. UM, I'VE JUST BRIEFLY, I HAVE, UH, SPOKEN WITH OTHER, UM, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THIS INDUSTRY AND ASKED ABOUT YOUR PARTICULAR, UM, UM, DIRT PIT AND BEEN TOLD THAT Y'ALL, Y'ALL OPERATE A, A GOOD OPERATION. UM, AND THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE A WELL RESPECTED, UM, VENDOR IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS. UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES LIKE THIS DO GET CITED. UM, ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE VERY, UM, THESE ARE VERY, UH, COMPLEX PROPERTIES TO OWN AND OPERATE. UM, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UH, FEDERAL LAW, STATE LAW AND, AND LOCAL LAW. AND, AND EVEN KNOWING PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS WHO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME, THERE ARE STILL MOMENTS WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY FIND THAT THERE IS A PERMIT THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT THEY DON'T HAVE. UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY COMPLEX. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, AND, AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT. COUNCILMAN HURST. HEY RYAN, CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC RIGHT QUICK? YOU KNOW, I, I HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR AND I WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S RELEVANT BEFORE I, UM, VOTE, BUT WE HAD BEHIND THE BRECK CENTER, THE 124 ACRES THAT WAS, UH, MM ONE GRANDFATHER WHERE THEY STAGE AND KIT THE, UH, FEMA TRAILERS. AND IT WAS CONSIDERED M1 WITHOUT A PERMIT 'CAUSE IT WAS FEDERAL USE AND THEN TRANSFER TO THAT CONTINUOUS USE. YOU KNOW THE CASE I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. THINK IT'S BEEN A WHILE. THINK, BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS BASED ON OPERATIONS, HOW IS THAT SOMETHING SIMILAR? DO THEY GET CONTINUOUS USE LONG DOESN'T BREAK FOR 24 MONTHS BASED ON SOMETHING HISTORICALLY THAT HAPPENED? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY OPERATED SO LONG. YEAH, THERE'S SOME SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME VERY REAL DIFFERENCES, UH, IN THAT CASE. UH, THERE, THERE WAS SOME STATE AND FEDERAL, UH, REGULATIONS THAT TRUMP LOCAL ZONING. UM, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE COMPLIANCE OR, OR THE PERMITS THAT WERE PULLED ON THIS, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON WHAT'S BEING APPLIED FOR HERE. IT'S NOT A ZONING CHANGE, IT'S A MAJOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT REQUIRES PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, THERE ARE VERY REAL AND STRICT GUIDELINES. THERE'S A THOUSAND FOOT SEPARATION FROM ANY NEAR RESIDENTS OR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. UH, THEY, THEY, WELL, THEY MEET THAT, UM, THERE'S A 300 FOOT REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE SET BACK FROM THE STREET. THEY WELL EXCEED THAT. IT'S 750 FEET FROM THE STREET RIGHT OF AWAY. THERE'S A 50 FOOT REQUIREMENT FROM ABUTTING PROPERTY LINES. THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE, CONDITIONAL USE IN THIS APPLICANT IS PROPOSED 229 FEET. AND, UH, AS RACHEL STATED EARLIER, THERE IS A REQUIRED STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, A DRAINAGE IMPACT STUDY, A WATER QUALITY IMPACT STUDY, AND ALSO A RECLAMATION PLAN THAT REQUIRES THE APPLICANT ON THE BACK END OF THIS, WHEN THEY'RE DONE TAKING DIRT AND EXCAVATING THIS PROPERTY THAT'D BE RESTORED TO THE NA NATURAL STATE. THERE'S, UH, VERY REAL TEETH TO THAT THAT'S ENFORCEABLE BY THE CITY PARISH BECAUSE IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO [01:05:01] FILE A 300, UH, $500 PER ACRE BOND REQUIREMENT FOR THE EXCAVATION AREA. UH, SUBMIT THAT TO ENSURE FUTURE RECLAMATION ON THE SITE IS FOLLOWED THROUGH. SO THERE IS, UH, REAL TEETH THAT THE CITY, PARISH, AND RACHEL'S OFFICE CAN'T ENFORCE IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED. BUT OUR OFFICE SIMPLY CERTIFIED THAT THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS WERE MET, NOT ONLY MET, BUT WERE EXCEEDED IN THIS CASE. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, VIOLATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ADDRESSED THAT, UM, WE ARE NOT CAPABLE OF CONTINUALLY SURVEYING, YOU KNOW, A PROPERTY, UM, AFTER A VIOLATION IS, YOU KNOW, CALLED IN AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'VE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED IT AND YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WE KNEW THAT THEY CAME INTO COMPLIANCE AND WE DIDN'T NOT HAVE ANY MORE, UM, COMPLAINTS OR VIOLATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE OBSERVED. UM, AND, AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF HOW CODE ENFORCEMENT WORKS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED OF A VIOLATION. SO, GOOD. COUNCIL NURSE COUNCILMAN HUDSON, UH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR RYAN AND THEN I, I WANNA YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME AFTER THAT TO COUNCILMAN KENNEDY TO SEE IF HE HAS ANY OTHER FOLLOW UP. UH, RYAN, MY QUESTION IS THE PROCESS FOR REVOKING A MAJOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? DOES IT GO BACK TO PLANNING AND COUNCIL OR WALK ME THROUGH THAT. SO ONCE THE, THE MUP IS ESTABLISHED, IT, IT, IT IS VALID. UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS, UH, THE MUFF DOES HAVE THE ABILITY THAT THERE ARE STEPS THAT YOU COULD REVOKE IT IF, IF SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE THERE WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, THERE WERE MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS, THERE COULD BE AN ITEM PUT ON THE AGENDA TO REVOKE A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEMCO. AND IS THAT A COUNCIL DECISION OR IS THAT A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION? WHO, WHO GETS TO DO IT? IT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE A COUNCIL DECISION COUNCIL DECISION 'CAUSE THIS ONE'S A MAJOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. OKAY. UM, AND I DIDN'T MENTION EARLIER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN ADDITION TO WHAT I STATED EARLIER, THE UH, PERIOD OF OPERATION IS SET FROM 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY WITH NO OPERATIONS ON SUNDAY. SO WE DO SET THOSE TIME CONSTRAINTS ON, ON THE OPERATIONS. THANK YOU. I'LL YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME TO COUNCILMAN MCKINNEY. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN HUSSON. UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I KNOW MY COUN COUNCIL COLLEAGUES HAVE VARIOUS OPINIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM. UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I SAT DOWN AND THOUGHT ABOUT AND I TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN THIS WHEN I MET WITH THEM, UM, I THINK Y'ALL WERE DEALT A BAD HAND WHEN Y'ALL WAS SOLD THIS PROPERTY. AND TOTALITY. UM, OF COURSE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I WAS NOT AROUND IN 2021. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ALL WENT THROUGH THAT TRANSITION. UM, MY ONLY THING IF THIS PASSED, UM, TONIGHT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE, UM, FROM THE CITY PARIS STANDPOINT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S PROPER PARAMETERS, UH, OVERSIGHT OF THIS PROPERTY OR ANY TYPE OF DIRT PIT OF PROPERTY. 'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS KIND OF ASSUME THAT WE DON'T HAVE NO PARAMETERS. AND SO, UM, RYAN TO THAT, IF ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE ORDINANCES, ANYTHING TO TIGHTEN THE TEETH FROM THE PARISH STANDPOINT, UM, DEFINITELY WANNA WORK TOWARDS THAT. 'CAUSE A LOT OF RESIDENTS AS COMMUNITY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT OVERSIGHT. UM, I KNOW PRIOR TO THE STILLWATER SUBDIVISION, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY HIS NAME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT NO TYPE OF LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS, BUT, UM, DIDI CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DIDI DIRT PIT, IT WAS ANOTHER ROCK PIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE AREA AND THERE WAS A LOT OF LEGAL QUOTE UNQUOTE LEGAL OPERATIONS GOING ON. UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE PARISH AND D EQ. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOME TYPE OF MORE STREAMLINED PROCESS WE NEED TO HAVE WITH THE STATE AS FAR AS HIS TIME ENTITLED OF, UM, RAMIFICATION, SOMEBODY SANCTIONED, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT IT'S JUST IN THE FUTURE. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED A BETTER STREAMLINED PROCESS IF IT SOMEBODY IS SANCTIONED IN ANOTHER ENTITY BEYOND THE CITY PARISH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN HUDSON. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE MACHINES. WE'LL VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FIRST TO APPROVE, THE MACHINES ARE OPEN ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO APPROVE SIX VOTES. MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. MOVE VOTE ON THE MOTION TO DENY. MACHINES ARE NOW OPEN ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO DENY. MOTION FAILS. MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER OR WE CAN MOVE ON. MM-HMM . [01:10:57] MOTION DISMISS. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. ITEM THREE. [Items 3 & 4] THIS ITEM REQUIRE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THREE AND FOUR TOGETHER. ITEM THREE REQUIRES EIGHT VOTES. PA 5 26 1, 7 0 6 0 FLORIDA BOULEVARD TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. FROM RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL. LOCATED ON SOUTH SIDE OF FLORIDA BOULEVARD, EAST OF SOUTH STEPHEN DALE ROAD COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR MO COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRY. NINE ZERO. ITEM FOUR, CASE 28 DASH 26 1 7 6 FLORIDA BOULEVARD. THERE ZONE FROM RURAL TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL TWO ON PROPERTY. LOCATED ON SOUTH SIDE OF FLORIDA BOULEVARD, EAST OF SOUTHDALE ROAD COMMISSION. ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRY. NINE ZERO. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS, PLEASE? GOOD EVENING. UH, I'M STEVEN LACORE FOR THE OWNER. AND THE, UM, WE'RE RE UH, REZONING THE PROPERTY AND, UH, CHANGING THE PLAN AMENDMENT TO MATCH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UH, IT'S, UM, WOODED, TRACK, UNDEVELOPED. THAT'S ALL. ANYONE ELSE WISHING SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. GO TO COUNSEL. COUNCILMAN MO? YEAH, UH, I'M GONNA NEED BOTH MY FULL FIVE MINUTE TIMES AND I'M ASKING EACH COUNCIL MEMBER IF I CAN GET FIVE MINUTES FROM EACH OF Y'ALL AND, UH, WE CAN REALLY TAKE THIS OUT. BUT I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MOGUE. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN AMAROSA. ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES. WE CAN TAKE FIVE AND SIX [Items 5 & 6] TOGETHER. ITEM FIVE REQUIRES EIGHT VOTES. PA 6 26 1 7 5 9 0 FLORIDA BOULEVARD TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FROM AGRICULTURAL, RURAL TO COMMERCIAL. LOCATED ON SOUTH SIDE OF FLORIDA BOULEVARD, EAST OF HAMMOND HIGHWAY COUNCIL, DISTRICT NINE HUDSON COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED. NINE ZERO ITEM SIX CASE 32 DASH 26 1 7 5 1 0 AND 1 7 5 9 0 FLORIDA BOULEVARD TO REZONE FROM RURAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL, ONE ON PROPERTY. LOCATED ON SOUTH SIDE OF FLORIDA BOULEVARD, EAST OF HAMMOND HIGHWAY COUNCIL, DISTRICT NINE HUDSON COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRY. NINE ZERO. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ON THESE ITEMS? SEE NO. GO TO COUNCIL. HAVE A MOTION COUNCIL, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD JUST COME UP REAL QUICK. AND, UH, WE HAD A REQUEST FROM THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, ABOUT, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT YOU GUYS ACCESSING FROM OLD HAMMOND HIGHWAY. SPECIFICALLY THEIR REQUEST IS THAT YOU'LL STATE THAT, THAT YOU WILL NEVER ACCESS THE PROPERTY FROM OLD HAMMOND. I CAN'T ASK YOU TO DO THAT, UH, BECAUSE, UM, WE COULDN'T ENFORCE IT. EVEN IF YOU DID SAY IT ON THE RECORD. BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, ARE YOU PLANNING TO ACCESS THIS PROPERTY VIA OLD HAMMOND HIGHWAY? NO, NOT AT ALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MOTION TO TO APPROVE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HUDSON. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN AMAROSA. ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE [Items 7 & 8] GONNA TAKE ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT TOGETHER, AND ITEM SEVEN REQUIRES EIGHT VOTES. PA SEVEN DASH 26, FUTURE B TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT AMENDMENT MAJOR STREET PLAN TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO AS TO AMEND THE MAJOR STREET PLAN BY REDUCING THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH, SHOWN FROM 125 FEET TO NO LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET FOR THE SEGMENT OF BURBANK DRIVE BETWEEN ER AVENUE TO 125 FEET SOUTH OF JENNIFER JEAN DRIVE, COUNCIL DISTRICT 12 ROCA COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED NINE ZERO ITEM EIGHT IPO. 1 26 HEYDAY BATON ROUGE TO REZONE FROM LIGHT COMMERCIAL ONE AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL TO INFILL SMALL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON [01:15:01] THE PROPERTY LOCATED NORTH OF BURBANK DRIVE IN EAST BOYD, SOUTH OF JANET AVENUE. COUNCIL, DISTRICT 12 ROCKA COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRY. NINE ZERO. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS NOW WILL GO TO COUNCIL. WE HAVE A MOTION. MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN ROA. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN AMAROSA. ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NINE, CASE [9. 26-01218 Case 30-26 536 West Irene Road] 30 DASH 26 5 36 WEST IRENE ROAD. THERE ZONE FROM RURAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ON PROPERTY. LOCATED ON NORTH SIDE OF WEST IRENE ROAD, WEST OF SAMUELS ROAD COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE KNOLL COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED. EIGHT ZERO. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? GOOD EVENING. UH, JOHN D ARMON ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WHO CAN'T BE HERE, WE'RE ASKING TO REZONE THE 27 ACRES ON WEST IRENE, UH, WHICH WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHER, UH, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE AREA. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SAY NONE, SIR. CAN YOU COME AND TELL US, UM, WHAT YOU PLAN ON DOING? SO, UH, NO PLANS YET, BUT THE HI. WE BELIEVE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USED FOR THIS LAND IS M TWO, WHICH WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THE, UH, CURRENT OWNER HAS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OF 11 ACRES THAT WAS REZONED IN DECEMBER OF 2025 FROM RURAL TO, UH, M TWO. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. MOTION FROM THE CHAIR. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN ROCK. ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES TIM CASE, 31 [10. 26-01219 Case 31-26 7117 and 7127 Florida Boulevard] DASH 26 7 1 7 AND 7 1 2 7 FLORIDA BOULEVARD TO REZONED FROM COMMERCIAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE BARN LOUNGE TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL, TWO ON PROPERTY. LOCATED ON NORTH SIDE OF FLORIDA BOULEVARD, WEST OF DALE AVENUE, COUNCIL, DISTRICT SIX, DON JUNIOR COMMISSION. ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED. EIGHT ZERO. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT, OR GOOD EVENING NOW. UH, MY NAME IS BRAD ALEXANDER AND I AM WITH DART POINTS. UH, FIRST I WANNA THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE TIME AND THE CONSIDERATION THAT THEY GAVE OUR REQUEST AND FOR THE APPROVAL. UH, I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CITY STAFF, THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND EVERYONE WHO HAS TAKEN THE TIME WITH US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS REQUEST. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO US THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS IS THAT WE ARE NOT NEW TO BATON ROUGE. WE HAVE BEEN SERVING BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. WE'RE PROUD OF THAT HISTORY, PROUD OF THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD HERE, AND VERY MUCH WANT TO CONTINUE THAT COMMITMENT. THE REQUEST IS ABOUT ALLOWING US TO CONTINUE OPERATING, INVESTING IN THE FACILITY AND POSITIONING IT TO MEET THE FUTURE TECHNOLOGY AND DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OF THE BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS WE ALREADY SERVE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN A COMPANY COMES BEFORE THE CITY ASKING FOR ZONING APPROVAL, THAT THERE ARE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE PROCESS. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. BATON ROUGE HAS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT COMMUNITY, EXCUSE ME, A VERY IMPORTANT COMMUNITY TO US FOR A LONG TIME. OUR GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, A RESPONSIBLE OPERATOR, AND A LONG-TERM PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. AGAIN, THANK THE PLANNING, THANK THE PLANNING. I PLAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE APPROVAL, AND THANK YOU ALL THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE? GO TO COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MUG. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DUNN, JR. ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 11, CASE [11. 26-01220 Case 33-26 7565 Jefferson Highway] 33 DASH 26 7 5 6 5 JEFFERSON HIGHWAY TO REZONE FROM LIGHT COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE RESTAURANT AB ONE ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF JEFFERSON HIGHWAY NORTH OF CORPORATE BOULEVARD COUNCIL, DISTRICT 11 ADAMS COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CARRIED. EIGHT ZERO. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SCENE NONE WILL GO TO COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN ADAMS. MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN ADAMS. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN AMAROSA. ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 12, THERE'S BEEN A RECOMMENDATION TO DELETE [01:20:01] THIS ITEM CASE. 35 DASH 26 2 2 8 WEST CHIME STREET TO REZONE FROM HEAVY COMMERCIAL C TWO TO COMMERCIAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE RESTAURANT C ONE ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON NORTH SIDE OF WEST CHIME STREET, WEST OF HIGHLAND ROAD COUNCIL, DISTRICT 10 COLEMAN COMMISSION. ACTION MO. MOTION TO WITHDRAW. EIGHT TO CARRIED. EIGHT TO ZERO. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEE YOU NOT GONNA GET A MOTION TO DELETE. MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN COLEMAN. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HUDSON. ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 13, [13. 26-01222 Case 41-26 5762, 5862 and 5894 Hooper Road] CASE 41 DASH 26 5 7 6 2 5 8 6 2 AND 5 8 9 4 HOOPER ROAD. THERE REZONE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL. ONE ON PROPERTY, PROPERTY LOCATED ON SOUTH SIDE OF HOOPER ROAD, WEST OF MACKINS COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE HEARST COMMISSION ACTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. CARRIED. SEVEN ZERO. ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NONE WILL GO TO COUNCIL. WE HAVE A MOTION. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HURST. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MOOCH. ANY OPPOSITION? MOTION CARRIES. COUNCILWOMAN MOSA UH, WAIT, HOLD ON. I [2. 26-00891 MCUP-1-26 7740 and 9400-9500 Pettit Road (Part 2 of 2)] I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A MOTION TO REHEAR NUMBER TWO TO BRING THAT BACK IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNCILMAN KENNY. I, I, I JUST HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT PUTTING THE BUSINESS OUT, UH, COMPLETELY OUT OF BUSINESS. AND IF WE COULD DEFER IT. NEITHER ONE PREVAILED. SO WHAT'S THE BUT WHAT DO WE DO? PREVAIL? THERE IS NO PREVAILING SIDE. YEAH, IF IT DIDN'T GET HURT, THERE WERE TWO MOTIONS. BOTH. COULD YOU STATE THAT RECORD ON THAT OPINION? I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO REHEAR ITEM NUMBER TWO TO REMAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THE ITEM AND REHEAR IT LATER ON. AFTER MORE DISCUSSION. A RE RECONSIDERATION A RECONSIDERATION. A RECONSIDERATION CAN ONLY BE MADE BY THE PREVAILING PARTY FROM THE VOTES THERE WAS NO PREVAILING BECAUSE WE HAD TWO MOTIONS. BOTH FAILED. WHICH FAILURE GOT THE MOST VOTES? , , . UM, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO APPROVE GOT SIX VOTES. THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO DENY GOT FIVE VOTES. UM, SUBSTANTIVELY WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE ITEM WAS DENIED, BUT, UM, SO I MEAN, ON THE SPOT I'M GONNA SAY THAT THE, THE SIDE THAT PREVAILED WAS THE MOTION TO DENY. SO SOMEONE WHO VOTED, UH, WITH COUNCILMAN KENNY AND COUNCILMAN DUNN WOULD BE THE PREVAILING SIDE. UM, SO WE HAVE, UH, COUNCILMAN COLEMAN, COUNCILMAN DUNN, JR. JR. COUNCILMAN HARRIS, COUNCILMAN HURST AND COUNCILMAN KENNY. ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS CAN MAKE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM. I WOULD REQUEST ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES, IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND. BUT THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL. MOTION TO ADJOURN? OBJECTION. WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A FIVE 10 MINUTE RECESS SO THEY CAN RESET THE TAPE FOR RECORDING BEFORE WE START THE NEXT MEETING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.